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Ok everyone. I dont want to sound like a bad guy here or be redundant if someone else said it already but I havent seen it yet. This needs to be said. Look at what you all are saying. The majority of posts on the forum are saying (paraphrased), "Hey I am sorry that Haykruo had to go and you guys suck for making him go... btw where is the rosie rom?" That is the core of the issue here people. Who cares about the damn rom? Who cares if we even ever get it. Thats not the point.
When you are a dev here you give of yourself wholly. You have nothing to gain except the respect of others here. I am not a rom dev but I am a developer and I do know what its like to be in one of these devs positions. Haykuro trusted certain people who misused that trust. We know that already. But he also trusted all of you who downloaded and used his roms. He trusted you to not be pushy. He trusted you to respect his wishes of being quiet (shhhh thread ring a bell), of being respectful to the man who has given so much. Its not one person's fault. It's the entire community's fault. If we don't want this to happen again then there is a simple way of preventing it.
Give the devs their time. From what I could tell Haykuro spent every minute he wasnt at work, working on these roms. Give the devs time and respect, don't be pushy and if they trust you with something then respect their wishes.
Just my two cents but that's the only way to prevent this from happening again. Haykruo's loss is a real one. The community will feel it. Maybe someone will step in his place maybe someone wont. But mark my words if someone does and we don't learn from this and be respectful to the new devs we will lose them too.
One more time I want to thank you Haykuro. You truly are a man of honor. Just take care of yourself man.
thanks.....chuck that should tidy the thread up a bit
ok heres a few ideas that will hopefully prevent a developer leaving like the hero haykuro
1. stop asking for roms..it is just a bonus if we get an updated rom, that improves the performance and makes the ui nicer
2. if you are lucky enough to get 2 try a new rom out dont leak it. hes gave u the rom through trust dont break that trust.
3. give the developers a break....they cant work on new roms all the time..they have there own personal lifes aswell
4. donate.....the developers are doing it in there free time...they dont need to improve the phone but they do for the likes of us(the forum) fair enough if you cant afford to donate just thank the developer.
finally i hope haykuro will still be in and out the forum...from all the roms hes made hes a living legend.
haykuros twitter
We know that Xdan has it, we know that twistedumbrella has it, we think that TheDude has it, but that's about it. Haykuro was the developer who was working on it the most, and now that he's halted his development, nobody knows when we'll get the Rosie UI. Don't get your hopes up.
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We know that Xdan has it, we know that twistedumbrella has it, we think that TheDude has it, but that's about it. Haykuro was the developer who was working on it the most, and now that he's halted his development, nobody knows when we'll get the Rosie UI. Don't get your hopes up.
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ive only read half into the bust up with haykuro and whatever his name was....so if im correct did he leak the hero rom w/ rosie ui? and that caused the bust up?
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ive only read half into the bust up with haykuro and whatever his name was....so if im correct did he leak the hero rom w/ rosie ui? and that caused the bust up?
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From what I understand, HardDaez promised Haykuro a ROGERS ROM that Haykuro could work on. In return, Haykuro gave HardDaez the Hero rom w/ Rosie. The ROGERS rom turned out to be fake, and HardDaez leaked the Rosie ROM. Haykuro has every right to be upset.
And where is the Rosie ROM? I only see the hero ROM without rosie.
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From what I understand, HardDaez promised Haykuro a ROGERS ROM that Haykuro could work on. In return, Haykuro gave HardDaez the Hero rom w/ Rosie. The ROGERS rom turned out to be fake, and HardDaez leaked the Rosie ROM. Haykuro has every right to be upset.
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yeah absolutely........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it
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yeah absolutely........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it
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so the build he leak was unstable and was bricking peoples phones so it was pulled from the servers and when info got out the hardeaz wasn't suppose to release the build the threads was closed immediately
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so the build he leak was unstable and was bricking peoples phones so it was pulled from the servers and when info got out the hardeaz wasn't suppose to release the build the threads was closed immediately
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aaaah right i get you now.....just when seeing haykuros video i thot it would have just been the same as that that he gave to hardeaz...obviously not
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yeah absolutely........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it
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Steve, Haykuro worked extremely hard making so many roms for us in a very short time. No one gave him a break. Many people kept demanding more and more from him, leaving him little time to study. He was working on hero, Ion, Magic, and other stuff all at once while he was trying to study and work. Then they kept asking him for the Rogers rom. It seems like so many people were asking for so many roms, all at once, like he could just pull them out of his hat and they would magically appear.
He was trying to please everyone at once, then, when hard daez promised him the rogers rom, he screwed Haykuro over.
I have been following these threads, and I saw a lot of adoration for Haykuro, but I also saw a lot of people demanding things from him, and saying he wouldn't deliver if he didn't have something ready for them as soon as they demanded it. I also saw a lot of people trying to start trouble when the dude began making roms, even though both Haykuro and the dude kept saying publicly that they were working together. I also saw other things in these threads that would try anyone's patience.
Calm down, and wait. Hopefully, after Haykuro gets through school, and gets a break from the hectic schedule he has kept up trying to do what he needs to do in his personal life, as well as mod all of those different roms for us, he will reconsider. I'm not saying that no one else here can do what Haykuro can do, but he was very very good at what he did. I also don't think it's fair to start asking other devs to give you Rosie before things settle down a little, and Haykuro has a chance to take a break. He is the one who did the most work on hero, and we should give him a chance to decide what to do.
Possibly he will decide to work on this again, even if he does it through his own site rather than here.
Just enjoy what he has done for us, and wait for a week or two, but please don't be demanding. (I don't mean to sound mean or nasty, and I don't want to sound like I am flaming you. I'm just stating what everything here looked like to me).
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aaaah right i get you now.....just when seeing haykuros video i thot it would have just been the same as that that he gave to hardeaz...obviously not
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This Thread needs a new title or it will get locked and deleted, and I don't want that XDA users deserve better then not knowing what in the world is going on w/ hero, Plz rename to "Loss of Good Developer/Future Prevention Thread Only" so we can talk about this and not get locked.
Oh and yeah, i think he should reconsider but minus the user input, start his own site where he can post his roms but not have to listen to user input, just bugfix and preinstalled apk request only, he need to go back to what always did, making himself happy first..and if someone else likes it then so be it...then he can cut out the XDA drama, i love this community for my JUNO my friends WING's and the G1 and soon to be my Touch Pro 2, or maybe even my Bigfoot, when they come out...I love changing what my phone can do...and these awesome devs only make it possible, so i hope Haykuro comes back or I'll cry in my pillow! I loved his progress even when i wasn't on his rom, the rom i was on was affected by his roms w/ remix's using his stuff...loved it all...i don't wanna close my eyes...i don't wanna miss one thing...the sweetest dream will never do! i'll still miss you steve, and i don't wanna miss a thing!
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This Thread needs a new title or it will get locked and deleted, and I don't want that XDA users deserve better then not knowing what in the world is going on w/ hero, Plz rename to "Loss of Good Developer/Future Prevention Thread Only" so we can talk about this and not get locked.
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I agree. This thread needs to stay so that we can make sure that this doesn't happen again. Your idea of a title was a very good one. If this thread gets locked, or burried somewhere where no one can see it, it will serve no purpose.
A lot of the devs here are getting fed up with all the garbage, and we are losing them. Those of us who aren't devs are guests here. We are using their stuff, on their forum, and we need to clean up our act.
how do i rename the thread?
ignore my stupidity
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how do i rename the thread?
ignore my stupidity
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I don't know, try thread tools at the top, or maybe you can change the name from user CP? I hope someone can answer.
Dont wish to sound an idiot but does anyone have this new leaked rom?
I usually just lurk around XDA, but I've always appreciated the work of not only Haykuro, but of any developer who takes time out of their life to improve the G1 experience. I think this thread is a fantastic idea.
Guys,
I missed all the stuff that happened last night, but have caught up now. As you may know I have been arranging for Haykuro Donation Apps to go up on the market. He gave the final ok last night (before the **** went down) and they went up this morning. It doesn't mater if he never does any Rom cooking again, I thank him for what he has done and hope that these apps can be some kind of payback for that.
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dont get excited.......so is this the nd of hero rom? so what other developers has the leaked rom? when will we get the rosie ui? steve
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I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?
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I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?
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The original post was worded that way before the title was changed at the suggestion of someone else. The thread is made with all good intentions.
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I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?
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Not leeching just wanting just a good explanation, hopefully this thread will get update more and more to help stop exacly that leeching trolling and bugging devs, and more helping the community in whole, i like anyone on this thread want to get his grubby hands on Hero, but we need to start going about this all the right way and not bug and upset devs, you wouldn't interupt a painter while he is painting and be like..."you done yet?" bad idea, but you could ask to watch the painter at work (via twitter) which we already got and still weren't happy...geez...or find a better way to interact w/ the dev. (heavy moderation on forums/ off topic and trolling deleted fast) but to delete everything to do w/ HERO on the forums is getting redunkulous that's why we need this thread and a good mod to help keep it alive..to explain what happened and prevent it from ever happenin again (end-users showing devs respect)
but i need it bassed on something or not if u dont want it
It depends on weather its a proper Rom or if its just filepushing like your 'Cronos LightSpeed Supper Rom'
and weather you've learnt to spell...
On a more serious note, anyone can use WinZIP, we don't need someone to spam the forums doing it for us.
Please don't see this as anything against you, its just advice.
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It depends on weather its a proper Rom or if its just filepushing like your 'Cronos LightSpeed Supper Rom'
and weather you've learnt to spell...
On a more serious note, anyone can use WinZIP, we don't need someone to spam the forums doing it for us.
Please don't see this as anything against you, its just advice.
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Weather? That's whether I think
"and weather you've learnt to spell..."
I laughed.
And don't ask us if you want a ROM. Just develop, ask for help, improve it before it's launched (do this sequence 3 or 4 times), then release, and be flooded with bugs.
That's how it works.
Also, if someone wants to be my tutor, I'd be very glad.
I'm thinking of starting ROM developing aswell. I don't know what to read first.
And please, don't post cyanogen sticky post link here. I've read it, but it has too much information and I don't know where to start.
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"and weather you've learnt to spell..."
I laughed.
And don't ask us if you want a ROM. Just develop, ask for help, improve it before it's launched (do this sequence 3 or 4 times), then release, and be flooded with bugs.
That's how it works.
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That seems too stupid. Maybe it was a joke?
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That seems too stupid. Maybe it was a joke?
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People are so bad at detecting sarcasm...
No thanks. Already have Ve 4.0. Perfect vanilla IMHO. Vb
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I still want a tutor:
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Also, if someone wants to be my tutor, I'd be very glad.
I'm thinking of starting ROM developing aswell. I don't know what to read first.
And please, don't post cyanogen sticky post link here. I've read it, but it has too much information and I don't know where to start.
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ive just tried those sticky guides and the links dont work
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ive just tried those sticky guides and the links dont work
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How? They open fine to me.
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I still want a tutor:
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Try asking Feeyo and elemag for help. They are very open to give information.
Feeyo in particularly is learning me a lot about how I can create an rom for myself from AOSP. Those 2 are not greedy nor being secretly about how they do things.
Cant say that from that other Team.
I'm sorry but I've one question in my mind and I cant answer for it by my self: why someone buy a "sense/rosie" phone if he want a plain (vanilla) rom? Why that person doesn't buy a N1??
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I'm sorry but I've one question in my mind and I cant answer for it by my self: why someone buy a "sense/rosie" phone if he want a plain (vanilla) rom? Why that person doesn't buy a N1??
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Price perhaps?
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I'm sorry but I've one question in my mind and I cant answer for it by my self: why someone buy a "sense/rosie" phone if he want a plain (vanilla) rom? Why that person doesn't buy a N1??
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Well, price, I guess. And availability. The N1 wasn't available in my country, unless for an extremely unreasonable price.
Also, I think the N1 is not as sexy as the hero, or the desire...
Wow - there's some 'bad-mood' users around here, ey? We all start somewhere, so give the guy a little slack.
Anyway, if you want my honest opinion, you will struggle in the Vanilla ROM world on these forums. VanillaEclair, aHero, EzHero, CyanogenMod....there are more then enough really good Vanilla ROM's. On the other hand, Cronos, Villain, ChocolateEclair, Kimera....there are also more then enough great Sense ROM's too. It's a tough area to enter into as there is a lot of competition, and I'm sure many users can agree that we have seen some really detrimental side effects of the competition.
So, back to my honest opinion - I don't think anybody wants another vanilla ROM, nor another Sense ROM, unless you have something great to bring to the party, in which case I suggest rather make a public thread with your 'great thing' so that it can be implemented into existing ROM's. At the same time, this is a developement forum, and new developements are obviously always welcome. So, if you have the patience (for bug reports and updates) and decency (to work with the other developers), by all means, bring out a new ROM. I for one will be happy to test and report.
Just my 2c.
Mr P.
what I would suggest is you make the rom that YOU want to use. not pure vanilla, not pure stock sense, but the features you want most, including the (freely distributable) apps you want to include in the rom.
then you can always post it here in case others like it too.
I'd like to see a rom that doesn't include the standard apps but instead includes preinstalled the best free alternative calendar, widgets, launcher(pro...), alternative gallery, alternative camera, music player, app organizer, and so on.
something that is out of the box really really cool and setup for instant use (the way sense phones are setup from the factory, but using non-sense apps maybe).
that would be worth seeing here. it's been done but recently most popular roms are variations of the same thing and the competition is more about stability, performance, and working hardware. if you can base yours upon an already stable, fast and fully working hero rom (with permission from the authors), then customizing it and repackaging it could be really cool.
I guess when your phone just runs amazing it is getting hard to make it better. I keep trolling XDA for something worth reading or trying but nodda.
Thanks Dev for all that you have done but are we coming close to the end of development for the Vibrant? Any insight as to what might be some things to look forward to in the future?
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When I say no ROM worth trying I guess I need to be more specific. I currently run Bionix-V and right now don't see any ROM that is a huge improvement worth switching from.. But to clarify there are several very good ROM's out for our Vibrants..
maybe you should wait til they release a source code for 2.2
actually, just leave now.
Wow dont you think thats a slap in the face. I mean I actually think eugene is working with source first of all.
Secondly I "hear" they are working on gingerbread as there is a proof of concept in the development forum.
So once again.. dont you think this is a slap in the face to those who are working are to bring more features to us?
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No Roms worth trying no kernels no modems. I guess when your phone just runs amazing it is getting hard to make it better. I keep trolling XDA for something worth reading or trying but nodda.
Thanks Dev for all that you have done but are we coming close to the end of development for the Vibrant? Any insight as to what might be some things to look forward to in the future?
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As for your questions, we still have Sense to look forward to (Barak, if you some how see this, good luck with your family situation,) new ROMs from TW/Eugene, etc. Possibilities are truly endless.
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Wow dont you think thats a slap in the face. I mean I actually think eugene is working with source first of all.
Secondly I "hear" they are working on gingerbread as there is a proof of concept in the development forum.
So once again.. dont you think this is a slap in the face to those who are working are to bring more features to us?
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WHAT???? "dont you think this is a slap in the face to those who are working are to bring more features to us?"
Are you smoking crack? I have donated and appreciate everything the Dev's have done and are doing to make our phones experience better.
But since the last few solid ROMS have come out for 2.2 there really has been little new development that actually improves your phones performance.
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I'm confused by this post. Actually I'm very shocked by this post.
Did you even look at the Dev forum? There are a ton of ROMS and the ROMS available are continuously being updated , some even are getting 2 or more updates per week!
How can you say the Vibrant is dead?
I can answer my own question:
1. You are just trolling OR
2. You need to learn how to use your reading comprehension skills and read more
Because there is plenty of action going on for development for the Vibrant. Give it some time man. The source code that is in the Dev section is a leaked one that Eugene got his hands on. Samsung hasn't even officially released it yet. Once they do there will be a swarm of updates to these ROMS we have already AND there will be new ones.
IDK, sorry for my rant. I usually don't even reply to these kind of seemingly troll posts but you probably should just take the other guys suggestion and just leave the forums. Because you just slapped the great Devs that help us all make our Vibrants one of the most customizable phones around.
Don't bash any devs with a statement like yours, and then at the end of your post thank the devs. That brief "thanks" to the devs doesn't take away the SLAP in the face you just gave them
PS. Just for your info and a reply to your last statement about performance enhancements to the Vibrants... My phone KILLS my girlfriends stock Nexus S in performance and looks in every way possible. I can't even bog my phone down and I'm not even overclocked. I'm running a "stock" Bionix V 1.2
stop feeding the trolls
Ha.. This is funny.. People get fired up and I am not even attacking anyone. I just was trying to strike of some interesting conversation on future project or things to look forward to in the near future.
Geeze peeps.. Chillz the hell out...
It's a trap!
Let me get my .02 in before this thread gets justifiably locked.
To the OP, what are you looking for? To say this forum is dieing is a joke.....right??
At one point there was only TW, Eugene, and Master posting up Roms; NOW we have about 6-7 options. The theming section is plastered with new options. 2.2 just got released and it opened up more doors.
If you think it's dead then kindly depart, you and all you have contributed will be sorely missed. /sarcasm
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Ha.. This is funny.. People get fired up and I am not even attacking anyone. I just was trying to strike of some interesting conversation on future project or things to look forward to in the near future.
Geeze peeps.. Chillz the hell out...
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No, you are not attacking anyone directly but you were also not "striking up interesting conversation". "forum is dead" and "no roms worth trying" is a matter of opinion which you are entitled to but not exactly a kind way of asking what's in the Vibrant developments future.
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Ha.. This is funny.. People get fired up and I am not even attacking anyone. I just was trying to strike of some interesting conversation on future project or things to look forward to in the near future.
Geeze peeps.. Chillz the hell out...
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You have "striked" some conversation for sure. And my post wasn't attacking you so I'm assuming you weren't talking to me in your last reply?
Unfortunately your post comes across kind of negative towards the community of Devs that work very hard to keep giving us new stuff for our phones.
So maybe you had very good intentions and the words just came out looking bad in your post.
I mean it is very hard to express intent thru words on a page. With actual conversation in person your words come across better. So maybe you can edit your original post if you didn't mean it to be a slap in the face to the community of devs here?
If not then that's fine too. Everyone is entitiled to their opinions.
Gingerbread
Is the Vibrant General not the place to just have open discussions? Why all the neg responses? I'm a die hard fan of this forum and our vibrant community. I was just trying to strike some conversation.
I agree we have themes out the butt.. Great I have themed my phone to death..
Your wording is not very good, I'm sorry to say. When you say "there are no ROMs worth trying" it sounds like you're saying "there are a bunch of ROMs but they're all shyte." If that is not your intent, I hope you change you original post, because that's exactly what it sounds like.
If that is your intent, then you deserve all the flack that you're getting here
I agree, but Flagship has been beast for me!!
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If that is your intent, then you deserve all the flack that you're getting here
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Not my intent at all..
This thread seems kind of silly since we've just started seeing kernels built from 2.2 source. It's kinda been the Holy Grail for many of us since the Froyo leaks began. Don't know about you, but I'm totally excited about Voodoo sound, overclocking, bln, ulf, etc., and all that with good battery life.
So really, if you think there's nothing exciting now, what exactly do you consider worthwhile?
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So really, if you think there's nothing exciting now, what exactly do you consider worthwhile?
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I consider worthwhile close this thread!
I am looking for a feature comparison of ROMS, kinda like when you compare TV's. Has anyone compiled such a list? I have just started using MIUI and really love some of the features in it, but I have been getting horrendous battery life. So I thought I would try a CM build. I realize that they are going to be different, but it would be nice if you could see if there are similarities between the 2 or if it would be a new learning curve again.
I looked at the WIKI page for the ROMS but that is more of a general overview than what I was looking for.
I realize I am what I am looking for is most likely a pipe dream but it can't hurt to ask and see if it exists. Oh and sorry in advance if this exists and I just missed it!
Thanks for the help and replies
This will PROBABLY go in the General section, but I could see why you posted it here
To my knowledge no such list exists beyond word of mouth. You would have to compile such a list
Basically you are going to have to read the threads of each Rom to see the differences. Someone here did create a website comparing Roms just like you are wanting. They also did the same thing with kernels. I am not sure if he is still updating the website, but the link to it is somewhere here. I believe it is in the Q&A section. If I find the link I will come back and post it here. This should have been posted in Q&A or general, but no big deal. Some people will think it's a big deal, but really it is an honest mistake.
I found this. It is a few video reviews of some of the more popular Roms here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841416
OK. Here is the link to the thread that will link you to skydeaner's website with reviews of Rom's, Kernel's and apps. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790559
Well MIUI (iPhone wanna be) is completely different than anything out there. All other ROM's would be pretty similar, besides CM that doesn't use Sense and one of the best Sense ROM's out there, Warm. Just try each one and see how you like it.
OMG that explains why I dislike MUIU.
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OMG that explains why I dislike MUIU.
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Ignorant statement is ignorant.
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And it's MIUI, not MUIU.
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Ignorant statement is ignorant.
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And it's MIUI, not MUIU.
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Agreed..Just installed MIUI a few hours ago and love it so far...
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Ignorant statement is ignorant.
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And it's MIUI, not MUIU.
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Opinion is opinion, respect it like you'd want others to respect your opinion.
I'm a big fan of sense, so it's either MikFroYo or Konikub's Elite Series II for me
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I found this. It is a few video reviews of some of the more popular Roms here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841416
OK. Here is the link to the thread that will link you to skydeaner's website with reviews of Rom's, Kernel's and apps. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790559
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Thanks for this, this is very helpful, especially the second link, its a nice consolidation of everything, plus the star ratings help to.
As for putting this in the wrong spot, thanks for not being to tough on me, I couldn't decide since it was a ROM question but not a ROM specific question I figured it could go into multiple places.
For the preference I do like sense but I also like the non-sense roms, I wish i had the technical know how to build one that would be perfect for me, but alas I may be a geek I am not a code-writing/understanding geek. MIUI seems to have really gone a unique direction, that's why i think I am drawn to it but I did try CM last night and it has some nice features as well. And Koni's ROM is outstanding. I need to hit the lottery, then I will just buy enough EVO's to have a different ROM on each one. Damn all these good ROMS.
Thanks for the help again, i do appreciate it!!
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In fairness, the statement "Well MIUI (iPhone wanna be) is completely different than anything out there. All other ROM's would be pretty similar, besides CM that doesn't use Sense and one of the best Sense ROM's out there, Warm. Just try each one and see how you like it." is just as ignorant if not MORE lol
ROMs are VERY different. Screenshots of the homescreen don't tell the whole story
Tis true. I haven't even tried then all yet, though I try
Cooler than your EVO
here is the best i could find
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/ROMs
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Well MIUI (iPhone wanna be) is completely different than anything out there. All other ROM's would be pretty similar, besides CM that doesn't use Sense and one of the best Sense ROM's out there, Warm. Just try each one and see how you like it.
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it also depends on your device and how you have it set up on how good your battery life is. each rom run's different on each phone and so does each kernel.Because if one kernel is great for you it might be a bad one for me or someone else.Just like a rom if one is great for you it might be bad for me or someone else.
With a lot of them as far as Sense roms go, it's mainly a difference in looks. CM is asop based, I assume muiu is asop based somewhere maybe, but totally revamped UI. I like CM7 the most personally, Sense looks okay but to me it became annoying after awhile.
Why do people seem to be so sensitive in this forum? Can't someone post a comment about how they feel about something, like say a ROM or a Kernel, without 20 people jumping down his/her throat. Relax people, it's just an opinion. They aren't talking smack about your mom or your family, so chill out a bit and let people express their thoughts without getting all up in arms. Jeez...
cloak.n.dagger said:
Why do people seem to be so sensitive in this forum? Can't someone post a comment about how they feel about something, like say a ROM or a Kernel, without 20 people jumping down his/her throat. Relax people, it's just an opinion. They aren't talking smack about your mom or your family, so chill out a bit and let people express their thoughts without getting all up in arms. Jeez...
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No. does this suprise you? This is the intetnet, flaming is what its all about now...
Im actually surprised and wondering where the "wrong section" folks are. Im pretty sure this has nothing to do with specific developement, so it should be in the general...
I agree people seem extra sensitive latley. Maybe its the economy....
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LyndenP said:
Im actually surprised and wondering where the "wrong section" folks are. Im pretty sure this has nothing to do with specific developement, so it should be in the general...
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The first post after OP already beat us to the punch, but he/she added a few smilies so it didn't seem like trolling.
Also, while the title of the thread could have been better, I will agree that posting this here really isn't that big of a deal as compared to other threads that are just blatant ignorance.
Here is why:
OP clearly stated the unsureness of where to post. OP clearly seems to have done some research. There is a sticky up top with ROM info that *can* be used as somewhat of a comparison, but it really seems to be lacking. The post really seems to have pointed out a weak spot, and there was some decent discussion about it.
sirmx said:
The first post after OP already beat us to the punch, but he/she added a few smilies so it didn't seem like trolling.
Also, while the title of the thread could have been better, I will agree that posting this here really isn't that big of a deal as compared to other threads that are just blatant ignorance.
Here is why:
OP clearly stated the unsureness of where to post. OP clearly seems to have done some research. There is a sticky up top with ROM info that *can* be used as somewhat of a comparison, but it really seems to be lacking. The post really seems to have pointed out a weak spot, and there was some decent discussion about it.
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Playing a little devils advocate sorry.
Man im frickin moody today...
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Sirmx,
I think we are kinda on the same page, I can just be an ass.
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There seem to be so many variables which affect comparisons between ROMS that any single summary would probably not be accurate for lots of people. For one, your EVO behaviour with any ROM, from what I have read and personally experienced, can be dramatically influenced by your hardware version.
Some EVOs don't like undervolting or overclocking as much as others so you may find a ROM/Kernel combination totally unstable while others quote it as rock solid.
I also have different experience with the same ROMS depending on whether I wipe/flash with CW or Amon recovery (Amon is much better IMHO).
I am trying to do everything at once with my phone... Primary internet connection at home, business phone (can phone and hotspot at the same time on 4G) and use navigation a lot etc...
So far I usually end up running into random rebooting with any dev. ROM and have to wipe/reflash to get better again.. Again, this may be a quirk with my phone...
Best advice is to try them all and see what works best for you... One improvement to the ROM Wiki could be to add info on what works and what doesn't for each ROM. For instance no 4G or no GPS for any ROM would be a deal breaker for me.
cmon guys.. i know you Devs like to make new roms.. but my bible just passed 60 ROMS.. lol i find this a little outrageous. is there a need? why not stick to 1 ROM? and make it a really good one? instead of making alot of them? lol
EDIT: and guys please no flaming, I'm not complaining, im just asking
I think it's mainly the competition between the devs. They all want to produce the best roms. Don't flame me, that's just my honest opinion.
FATEOWNZYOU said:
cmon guys.. i know you Devs like to make new roms.. but my bible just passed 60 ROMS.. lol i find this a little outrageous. is there a need? why not stick to 1 ROM? and make it a really good one? instead of making alot of them? lol
EDIT: and guys please no flaming, I'm not complaining, im just asking
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Different people like different features. So more variety gives a better chance to please different people. Not everyone just wants one rom that's really fast or good for gaming or good for battery life etc....I also don't think you can have everything in one rom. Some people like the gingerbread launcher, some like touch wiz, some like miui. Can't have all three in one.
Kitchen brewers...Theres really only a few real devs actually creating new roms,for the most part its the good devs work redone by what i like to call kitchen brewers....mixing and matching themes,apk's,framework,ect. from true developers hard work and then calling it thiers....
FATEOWNZYOU said:
cmon guys.. i know you Devs like to make new roms.. but my bible just passed 60 ROMS.. lol i find this a little outrageous. is there a need? why not stick to 1 ROM? and make it a really good one? instead of making alot of them? lol
EDIT: and guys please no flaming, I'm not complaining, im just asking
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Theres 4 groups i know of.
1) Team Whiskey they've been quiet for a few months
2) EDT, their roms are great, and they just got organized instead of a new rom every week.
3) The galaxy something, never used their Roms, but it seems like BS to me.
4) Ports from I9000 or some other device.
Mostly, its the new ports...
and yes, its the competition between the 3 groups, they all want to be obviously the best group on Vibrant section, DUH
So they all make much roms as possible and try to beat someone else.
I haven't seen anything unique in our Dev section in a few months, to me it looks like a bunch of themes, but the Devs like, TW and EDT they do their work that they do for free! I love their roms!
They would NEVER work on the same rom, i can think of 1 reason why:
WHY would they? They all have different ways of making roms, combining them would be a good user-end rom but, they just wouldn't do it.
JUST 1 rom is bad as well.
Option, we all need it.
I believe it was... TW who set EDT straight by saying "quality over quantity" because they used to release a whole ****load of roms every week, and now EDT is my FAV. I love all their roms, Trigger (my opinion best) then Bi-Winning, haven't tried rest.
Team Whiskey is the best dev team for the Vibrant! Hands down.
EDT is catching up.
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Different people like different features. So more variety gives a better chance to please different people. Not everyone just wants one rom that's really fast or good for gaming or good for battery life etc....I also don't think you can have everything in one rom. Some people like the gingerbread launcher, some like touch wiz, some like miui. Can't have all three in one.
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Sounds like a good answer to me
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I vote team whiskey! No one has come close to their bionix-v, visually and preformance wise.
I find Trigger is a close second though, followed by Galaxy Extreme. Still waiting for a nice GB rom to come out (hint to EDT & Team Whiskey).
Does it really bother you that we have a lot of roms on the development section? Just asking.
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Well the way things are going, you won't have to worry to much.
variety......its the spice of _._._._
FATEOWNZYOU said:
cmon guys.. i know you Devs like to make new roms.. but my bible just passed 60 ROMS.. lol i find this a little outrageous. is there a need? why not stick to 1 ROM? and make it a really good one? instead of making alot of them? lol
EDIT: and guys please no flaming, I'm not complaining, im just asking
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It's just like "Hanky Panky", more style -> more fun -> that's good -> Life is awsome
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Well the way things are going, you won't have to worry to much.
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On the contrary! I think more roms are on the way
The only thing that I really need right now is a fully working CM7 minus the GPS of course. The only things as of now that are bothering me are the battery drain and low amounts of ram.
You'll see 20 more when we get a modified JVB kernel.
Our dev section is already starting to become polluted with all these i9000 ports. Nothing against them but I really am starting to think that most of our "devs" are themers and porters at heart. Again, nothing bad about the ports, but I miss the Bionix Fusion and early froyo leak days where most of everything was made just for the Vibrant. Good old times.
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Our dev section is already starting to become polluted with all these i9000 ports. Nothing against them but I really am starting to think that most of our "devs" are themers and porters at heart. Again, nothing bad about the ports, but I miss the Bionix Fusion and early froyo leak days where most of everything was made just for the Vibrant. Good old times.
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AMEN!!! Nicely stated
Segnaro said:
You'll see 20 more when we get a modified JVB kernel.
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I can't wait for that!
Wow, I can't believe you guys are actually complaining about this. You know which roms are for you. Different strokes for different folks. Is it harming you that all these roms are being released? Its nice to have options. smh....
Those 19000 rom's are very good.. the Darky port that Jellette did is a great rom, so is simply honey.
I really don't understand the complaining about variety.... In what way is alot of choices hurting the community, or hampering the information u get from this forum??? Please, someone tell me how this can impact YOU negatively? ?
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