Was watching PLAY benchmarks, sony did do some GFX tweaking tossing out the idea to lets get cracking and rip their driver for use in our Desire HD
Misleading title. Assumes you already ripped Adreno205 driver.
Would be nice to correct it.
binjinx said:
Was watching PLAY benchmarks, sony did do some GFX tweaking tossing out the idea to lets get cracking and rip their driver for use in our Desire HD
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where are those benchmarks? our DHD gets 58fps on neocore, xperia play beats it?
It might just be 2.3 running but it scores on avg 59 I was guessing sony might have took the time to build a tweaked driver but maybe not. Guess we'll have to see when someone gets their hands on it for real
It's normal that the maximum fps you can get on the DHD is about 60. Thats because the frame rate is locked to the refresh rate of the display. Basically the same as v-sync on a pc. And so the framerate of the play should also be around 60fps at neocore.
Would be nice to see a benchmark like nenamark running on the play. Should be more accurate because the framerate isn't at it's maximum (at least on the DHD)
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Does this say enough?
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Does this say enough?
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damn youuuuu sonyyy
Leedroid took a look into the Xperia Play drivers and says they're the same as our DHD's.
Then how is it possible it gets better scores?
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Then how is it possible it gets better scores?
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Well benchmarks arent entirely bound on a single component. It may be helped by the CPU and RAM speeds.
A benchmark may focus on a particular component but is never entirely bound to it.
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Then how is it possible it gets better scores?
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The Desire HD also scores 47 on Nemamark.
Mine scores 14 with cyanogen mod
nothing94 said:
Mine scores 14 with cyanogen mod
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Did you choose the Performance governor?
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Did you choose the Performance governor?
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Well,Sony might have rather done something to scale better than HTC.Any HTC phone's graphics benchmarks are crap with the default(ondemand) governor.Change to performance and you are bound to get at least a 30% increase.
Other than that,don't rely on Neocore,it's crap now.Every phone that has an Adreno 205 or better can max out the FPS as it relies on OpenGL ES 1.1 .It was very good for pitting older GPUs one against the other,until the days of the Adreno 200.
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Well,Sony might have rather done something to scale better than HTC.Any HTC phone's graphics benchmarks are crap with the default(ondemand) governor.Change to performance and you are bound to get at least a 30% increase.
Other than that,don't rely on Neocore,it's crap now.Every phone that has an Adreno 205 or better can max out the FPS as it relies on OpenGL ES 1.1 .It was very good for pitting older GPUs one against the other,until the days of the Adreno 200.
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Yep Neocore is a crap benchmark. But Nenamark isn't (which is what we're discussing)
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Well benchmarks arent entirely bound on a single component. It may be helped by the CPU and RAM speeds.
A benchmark may focus on a particular component but is never entirely bound to it.
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Th Xperia Play and the Desire HD have the same processor and GPU, the DHD has even more RAM, doesn't seem logical to me
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Yep Neocore is a crap benchmark. But Nenamark isn't (which is what we're discussing)
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Shut up Beaver,I'm backing you up!
That's what I'm sayin' pal.Nenamark is the way to go.And now that dual-cores are out,even Nenamark1 will be crap and we'll begin to use Nenamark2.Not to mention And3DBenchXL,GLBenchmark and the likes.
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Hi if anyone wanted to know how the desire HD stacks up here are some benchmarks.
Quadrant = ~1800
Linpack = ~40
Neocore = ~58 fps
Uploding a video now :-D
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Video Taking Ages To Upload ...... here are some 0xBenchmark comparisons of the GalaxyS / Desire HD / Desire
http://0xbenchmark.appspot.com/run/[email protected]/GalaxyS
cool!
That Quadrant is a little lower than others have posted. I saw a vid on youtube of it reaching over 2000!
Just did quadrant again and got 1998 so yer 1800 - 2000 sounds right
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having a higher neocore score means this phone does 3D better compared to galaxy s? Any game demo review on the DHD? really wanna see how does it does 3D gaming like asphalt or sandstorm - modern combat (multi touch intense)
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having a higher neocore score means this phone does 3D better compared to galaxy s? Any game demo review on the DHD? really wanna see how does it does 3D gaming like asphalt or sandstorm - modern combat (multi touch intense)
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Higher score is one thing but the games run better on PowerVR
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Higher score is one thing but the games run better on PowerVR
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thats why.. hurm.. too bad then, having a higher neocore than the SGS dosent do any good..
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Higher score is one thing but the games run better on PowerVR
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Isn't this just an optimization issue?
real life apps
but how does the phone perform in normal use apps? Because i'm thinking about getting the phone but i would like the phone to perform better in apps like psx4Droid than my desire does now.
So does anybody know anything about this ?
Galaxy s phones are limited to 56 fps, check the results for a more demanding benchmark like nenamark
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Galaxy s phones are limited to 56 fps, check the results for a more demanding benchmark like nenamark
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then whats the use of having a theoretical 90mil triangle p/s hardware but it cant reach higher than 56fps.. hurm.. such a waste..
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then whats the use of having a theoretical 90mil triangle p/s hardware but it cant reach higher than 56fps.. hurm.. such a waste..
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Erm. No. The vsync on the screens is 60fps anyway, so rendering faster than that is mostly useless. Also, if you are rendering a more complex scene, you will still have a higher fps with the 90M triangle hardware, it just won't go over 60.
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Erm. No. The vsync on the screens is 60fps anyway, so rendering faster than that is mostly useless. Also, if you are rendering a more complex scene, you will still have a higher fps with the 90M triangle hardware, it just won't go over 60.
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Exactly... Anything over 60 is a waste.
Here is my quadrant results.
Look this
HTC Desire HD unboxing + Neocore + Linpack + Quadrant test
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=eTBE9OkDRnU
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but how does the phone perform in normal use apps? Because i'm thinking about getting the phone but i would like the phone to perform better in apps like psx4Droid than my desire does now.
So does anybody know anything about this ?
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PSX4Droid runs slow. Quite disappointing. Im not playing PSX-games on Desire HD. Too many good games, and Desire HD doesn’t do the justice.
I might be getting a desire hd tomorrow but I wanna know how the desire HD handles video processing with its new Gpu. So how does it play video and psx4droid, because my desire has a bit of trouble with high def movies and playing FF 9.
Thanks in advance
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GPU is really good. I don't have one so my thoughts are based on stuff i've seen online. But it should handle videos just fine.
As for psx4droid, that is not dependent on the GPU, but actually the CPU because it is an emulation program. So in that regard don't expect to see too much of a difference with other phones out there.
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GPU is really good. I don't have one so my thoughts are based on stuff i've seen online. But it should handle videos just fine.
As for psx4droid, that is not dependent on the GPU, but actually the CPU because it is an emulation program. So in that regard don't expect to see too much of a difference with other phones out there.
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Oh I didn't know about that, I always thought it had a lot to do with the Gpu because it runs so well on the galaxy S
But its nice to hear that the video is good especially with its huge screen
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Oh I didn't know about that, I always thought it had a lot to do with the Gpu because it runs so well on the galaxy S
But its nice to hear that the video is good especially with its huge screen
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using ninamark 1 .
the GPU for galaxy S will give you 49 fps.
the GPU for Desire HD i have been told its about 35
for Neocore its 55 for Galaxy S vs 58 for HD Desire. but keep in mind that its not fair way to measure using neocore due to the fact its locked @ 55 to 60 fps for Galaxy S
with ninamark 1 . which use more heavey rendering. its showing the gpu true color.
however, you also need to notice that both tests dont mean anything. as i was explaining before in other thread, the dev standard for games is nexus 1. so really. most of the games will run fine on nexus 1. means galaxy s or hd desire wont get any benifits for being superior phones.
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GPU is really good. I don't have one so my thoughts are based on stuff i've seen online. But it should handle videos just fine.
As for psx4droid, that is not dependent on the GPU, but actually the CPU because it is an emulation program. So in that regard don't expect to see too much of a difference with other phones out there.
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not to be an ass. but its both CPU and GPU for PSX4dorid
PSX4Droid is pretty slow. Have played Diablo and Castevania - Symphony of the Night.
Both plays as if they were run in slowmotion.
Im not satisfyad at all. Seams as if the Desire HD isnt ment for playing games.
SNESoid works great tough. Only slows down in shoot-em-up games.
Anyway, is there a fix for or frameskip in PSX4Droid to activate?
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PSX4Droid is pretty slow. Have played Diablo and Castevania - Symphony of the Night.
Both plays as if they were run in slowmotion.
Im not satisfyad at all. Seams as if the Desire HD isnt ment for playing games.
SNESoid works great tough. Only slows down in shoot-em-up games.
Anyway, is there a fix for or frameskip in PSX4Droid to activate?
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Don't get the wrong idea. The DHD is excellent for games that use the GPU, but psx4droid uses CPU mainly. In all honesty, the PSX4droid app is not coded very well. Performance isn't great not because of the DHD's hardware, but because of dodgy programming. The developer doesn't seem to care too much for optimizing the app either.
yupp... the guy above me is right. check videos of fpsece, psx emulator for windows mobile. this thing flies, it can even run tekken 3 full speed. ... but guys developing it are real smarties, that's why it runs so well on snapdragon first gen.
All people calming that desire z processor @800mhz scores better in benchmarks than overlooked snapdragon ,this is not true when Iam on desire z Rom I underclocked my hd2 to 806.4 mhz (same as dz) and I got 1512 score from the first time same as Dz with its perfect GPU , SO OUR CPU PERFORMS BETTER ( you can try it yourself ) Iam not a liar ,I think the improved performance is in THE ROM itself not in the processor
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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You have to remember that the benchmarks (quadrant, linpack etc) are all synthetic, like 3dmark back in the day for pc graphics cards. There are so many things that can affect your scores both adversely and positively that they should only be used as a very rough guideline and nothing more. Direct comparisons are all but pointless.
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Iam talking to people who take quadrant as a prove for performance , I know that its results are not accurate
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I think you should use Quadrant Advanced to compare cpu scores, I know I/O scores help our HD2 a lot.
Even software affects quadrant cpu scores so it is not reliable. Quadrant benchmarks h264 decoding performance as part of cpu benchmark and for example having stagefright driver enabled inflates cpu score by double! Disable stagefright and your cpu will score 400 instead of 800. (in quadrant "advanced") if you use better software decoder it will affect cpu score by large amount. And rebenchmarking produces higher results because of caching. Mips calculating benchmarks are better (like the one in setcpu)
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That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
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That might be true but the Desire Z/G2 has a co-processor for apps that we don't have.
what is the coprocessor , desire z have same scorpion core like hd2 only with 45n.m tech
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
wow that makes me want it
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
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Your battey will say thank you. Your chipset too. This phone is not made for such things. That won't last very long I think. But it is quite impressive, seems to be veeeeery fast
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+1.. imagine, a 75% overclock?? i wonder if the carpet has any burn marks on them when he lifts the phone up, or if his face has any burn marks that's why he's not showing it up on the cam.. lol.. because a 75% OC on a very small device where there is not enough room to breathe, the whole phone would be like a big heatsink if used for a period of time.. and i guess that's also the reason why HTC slapped the 800mhz cpu instead of the 1ghz.. i'm our HD2 can achieve such high of an OC, but it wouldn't be adviceable as it would melt/crack the solder joints on the GPU and/or processor of the phone at that kind of heat.. and i believe that the GPU and apllication coprocessor that they're talking about on the G2 is just a marketing ploy to justify it's price tag.. maybe to cope up with the build price since there are moving parts (hinge) and the hard keyboard.. even the guy at the tmobile store told me that the G2 isn't fast at all.. he said it's nothing close to evo or the nexus one as some people and websites claims.. funny when he asked my what kind of phone do i have.. i pulled my HD2 and showed it to him.. he was surprised to see Android on it and asked me if he could play with it.. so i let him.. and after playing with it for a while, he advised me to wait for the new phone device that's supposed to come out before the end of the year.. he even told me that getting a G2 would be the same as downgrading as he feels that my HD2 is way way faster than the G2.. i told him i'm thinking about getting the vibrant because the port for our HD2 is nothing close to being perfect and that it's still running from the SD card.. again he discouraged me and told me to wait for the next phone device to come.. so i guess that's what i will do..
I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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I'm surprised that you were in store and didn't test drive G2 for yourself, are you sure he is sale person?, he didn't sound like one.
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as a matter of fact i did.. that's actually one of the main reason why i went to the store, as i've been reading a lot of good things on G2.. i went there to compare the G2 with the samsung vibrant.. but through the end, i didn't like the G2's performance despite the fact that it's the only phone right now on TMo that supports the HSPA+.. and yes he's a sales person.. i was surprised as well when he told me about the upcoming desire HD.. but that didn't happen until i showed my HD2 to him and let him play with it for a while.. maybe he knows that i'm a phone enthusiast and that i might just end up returning the phone within the 30 days period after playing with the G2.. who knows?? i think the G2 is wayyy overrated.. it performs within it's specs, nothing special..
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I'd say it has a better processor... it just got overclocked to 1.4 Ghz.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g2-overclock-gets-even-better-and-released
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Desire Z overclocks to exactly same speeds. Record OC is 1470MHz.
So they are same CPUs, clocked at different speeds. Bigger screen = higher clock to handle bigger screen.
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.7GHz at 1400mv
EDIT: Desire Z overclocks to 1.9GHz at 1500mv
Tegra got smoked
http://androidcommunity.com/galaxy-s-iii-quad-core-benchmarks-blow-us-away-20120503/
Hm.. Tegra 3 seems to win the GPU bench?
Quadrant sucks though. Will be waiting for more benchs.
Here are some other benchmarks (next to quandrant also SunSpider and browsermark)
Quadrant scores -
sgs3
cpu - 12781
memory - 4652
io - 7606
2d - 1000
3d - 2171
total - 5642
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cpu - 8505
memory - 7547
io - 6394
2d - 990
3d - 2204
total - 5128
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cpu - 12493
memory - 3472
io - 4769
2d - 962
3d - 2346
total - 4804
they seem pretty even in cpu/gpu capability. the s4 gets smoked in cpu performance according to those quadrant scores. interesting.. i thought it was faster.
Wow, the S3 doesn't seem to smoke the competition.
im interested about the antutu...can someone bring some more benchmarks?
Even if Tegra got smoked games will look better, so i'm really thinking how the S3 will be better in general use except for benchmarks...
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GPU performance gap between Tegra3 and Exynos4 Quad is huge
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
Faster than iPhone4S' powervr sgx543mp2
LOL quadrant sucks so hard. the new mali 400 is killing tegra 3. according to http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
The benchmarked result http://www.icsforums.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gets-benchmarked-shows-plenty-promise.html
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The benchmarked result http://www.icsforums.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gets-benchmarked-shows-plenty-promise.html
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um no
That's stolen straight out of engadget and they have recorded the lowest performance out of any of these tech blog/news sites
Antutu Benchmark available here:
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um no
That's stolen straight out of engadget and they have recorded the lowest performance out of any of these tech blog/news sites
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In the video above it's got 5324 Quadrant and 11492 Antutu. Not much different from HOX.
Here are some results from the Swedish androidsite "Swedroid". It's in swedish (doh!) but you should be able to look thru the scores anyway
http://www.swedroid.se/hands-on-med-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-forhandsitt/#disqus_thread
In my humble opinion. To say that the exynos "kills" the Tegra 3 is just...plain...wrong.
They seem to be very capable CPUs in both of these beasts!
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In the video above it's got 5324 Quadrant and 11492 Antutu. Not much different from HOX.
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Did you see the gpu scores. Kills tegra 3.
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Imo they are very close to eachother, i would say exynos wins by a little margin could be just the software dragging it down, would love to see a pure ICS build doing the test.
Benchmarks mean squat.. it comes down to user experience.. if u can really feel the difference.. also, apps need to be fine tuned for quad core too.. so I guess u won't feel an actual difference..
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Benchmarks mean squat.. it comes down to user experience.. if u can really feel the difference.. also, apps need to be fine tuned for quad core too.. so I guess u won't feel an actual difference..
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good benchmark do shows the raw power of the mobile, its never meant to test the user experience.
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Benchmarks mean squat.. it comes down to user experience.. if u can really feel the difference.. also, apps need to be fine tuned for quad core too.. so I guess u won't feel an actual difference..
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All the hands-on video clip made it seemed as if s3 is doing great in general ui transitions. It was noticeably quicker when used side by side.
Always astounds me how people are judging by benchmarks. I mean, its a phone, not a server station.
I wont be running virtual machines for rendering movies on it. I wont be playing Crysis 3 on it.
I`ll phone, message, watch clips, pictures, surf and use navigation. Even the single core phones can do that perfectly.
Can someone explain why we only get 33.7fps on 1080p?
As in is this the frame rate we can play 1080p videos back at or what?
Benchmark=Sh*t
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Hi,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39765347&postcount=25
At first it was about who has the longest, now it is about who has the fastest
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GLBenchmark (referring to Egypt here, not the synthetic tests) is pretty much real world experience.
No obscure CPU, IO or ram performance tests, just a 3D environment like in most games. More fps here are likely to result in better real world gaming performance, whereas a higher quadrant score means noting at all.
As for OP's question: no, 3d performance has nothing to do with the video decoding abilities.
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At first it was about who has the longest, now it is about who has the fastest
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We switched to "fastest" because the iPhone 5 has taken over as the longest.