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... in a live chat (fireside),
today 20 May 2010 at 1pm (westcoast) close to the google-boyz:
link: code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/fireside-chat-android-handset-manufacturers.html
So.. what came of this chat?? Or have I got my timezones wrong and it's not yet happened?? Interested to hear what SE said about keeping up with the O/S releases.
its at 9 pm uk time i think
Google got the wrong link:
h**ps://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+-Xhdu7ZkBK7
It's this and it starts soon !!!
Give the SE guy some questions, because know the htc folks are spamming there ^^
EDIT: now it's correct
Really don't get it.. just looked on the chat site and it looks like it's all questions and no answers! am I missing something?
im_iceman said:
Really don't get it.. just looked on the chat site and it looks like it's all questions and no answers! am I missing something?
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Was wondering the same thing. I voted for the questions, but don't understand where the fireside answers are?
Google Wave confuses me.
Bizarre isn't it... I was thinking that I was being thick... perhaps it's just the least intuitive site ever built.. ?!
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Bizarre isn't it... I was thinking that I was being thick... perhaps it's just the least intuitive site ever built.. ?!
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Yes, it is
there should have been live notes ... that really sucked !
sorry,
i was thinking, we could have a better chance SE will listen. But this live wave thing is/was a desaster.
I cant believe, that there was nobody who listen/answerd etc. ... sometimes google sucks
... hopefully there was a real fireside-talk and somebody asked the right questions (but i dont believe),
but we have a new name for a SE - android contact: "Bill Maggs"
meta96 said:
i was thinking, we could have a better chance SE will listen. But this live wave thing is/was a desaster.
I cant believe, that there was nobody who listen/answerd etc. ... sometimes google sucks
... hopefully there was a real fireside-talk and somebody asked the right questions (but i dont believe),
but we have a new name for a SE - android contact: "Bill Maggs"
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I sent this through the se customer support website - i don't know if it's any good...
Hello there - Would it be possible that the Xperia X10 and X10 mini (pro) be upgraded to Android 2.2 Froyo instead of Android 2.1 Eclair by Q4 of this year? There are many new features being added, so by the time we get 2.1, it will be outdated. Froyo also seems to run on the 2.6.29 linux kernel, which the X10 already runs on, so porting that at least should be as difficult as Eclair.
Also,would it be possible for people who own these devices to flash unsigned roms by unlocking the bootloader in some way - like google has done with the nexus one. This would void the warranty of course, but it would people to develop their own roms who have not had the chance to obtain a pre-release or developer phone etc. Maybe they could even test things for you?
Please take this comment seriously - I'll be looking forward to see what you think of this.
Thanks
That's great Hunteron!
Do you think you could somehow get that to this "Bill Maggs" fellow?
This seriously bothers me. We have a phone with what is probably some of the best hardware on the market, but we are stuck with crap software.
This bit interests me though:
"but we are given a promise for extended firmware support for all OS-powered devices in the future."
http://www.gsmarena.com/xperia_x10_to_get_hd_video_recording_and_android_21_in_q4-news-1634.php
HunteronX said:
I sent this through the se customer support website - i don't know if it's any good...
Hello there - Would it be possible that the Xperia X10 and X10 mini (pro) be upgraded to Android 2.2 Froyo instead of Android 2.1 Eclair by Q4 of this year? There are many new features being added, so by the time we get 2.1, it will be outdated. Froyo also seems to run on the 2.6.29 linux kernel, which the X10 already runs on, so porting that at least should be as difficult as Eclair.
Also,would it be possible for people who own these devices to flash unsigned roms by unlocking the bootloader in some way - like google has done with the nexus one. This would void the warranty of course, but it would people to develop their own roms who have not had the chance to obtain a pre-release or developer phone etc. Maybe they could even test things for you?
Please take this comment seriously - I'll be looking forward to see what you think of this.
Thanks
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This was my se 'call centre' response...
Dear P,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre regarding your Sony Ericsson X10 handset.
We can advise that the the Android 2.1 software update is due to be released at the end of qauter 4. So this will be some point between October and December. We have not as of yet been advised on the extact date for release.
We apologise for any inconvenience caused.
Kind Regards,
Emma Anderson
Sony Ericsson UK Customer Services
Not very useful is it, considering I already said that in my statement.
I don't know how to contact Bill Maggs though...
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I don't know how to contact Bill Maggs though...
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Fire off another email to them. Maybe they will give you his.
Hi Guys
i have a question it is possiple to port wm7 to x10?
or givs there any roms??
PS: sorry for my bad english =(
We can't either upgrade android version (maybe we can but not in 'full mode') and web should be able to port Wm7 (that couldn't either be ported yet to HD2) to our X10's?
Obviously no, we cant, and moreover, i think we will never can
x10i is a bad phone
Do you think so? ok your opinion. Im proud as a hell of my x10.
Regarding the question:
Maybe one day it might be possible, but i wouldnt be sure. eg. iphone is in progress of transcription to android, so maybe android will be transcripted to wm7, why not?
Kondzioz said:
Do you think so? ok your opinion. Im proud as a hell of my x10.
Regarding the question:
Maybe one day it might be possible, but i wouldnt be sure. eg. iphone is in progress of transcription to android, so maybe android will be transcripted to wm7, why not?
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I trink olso the x10 is an amazing phone
and Android 2.1 olso amazing but i think wm7 is from the designe better
and i would buy no wm7 Mobile because they look all agly
I hob that there were any devoper That make that possiple
The only thing tempting with wp7 for me is the xbox integration, would love to have that!
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prolly the closest your gonna get
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781455
i would think we might have a chance at porting wm7 to x10 when x7 is released and we have the rom for the x7... that would be ur best bet...
that'd be great but wonder if its possible
Until the bootloader is cracked (allowing us to install whatever ROMs we wish), it's pretty-much impossible we'd ever see any way of installing an alternate OS. Once the bootloader is cracked, if someone were to put forth the effort to port the OS and get things working, technically it should be possible.
My question though is: why?
I'm personally not convinced WP7 is worth anyone's time, especially since it's as closed as iOS. Mind as well get an iPhone.
Wp7 has minimum specs that x10 does not meet. It requires 512 MB ram
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i will never ever back to windows even if i had a chance to.
i used almost all of windows versions and they all sucks and lags alot and have many bugs ... unlike android.
that my opinuin
What development of our X8 do you expect?
I would like to have the
1) fastboot
2) overclock
multitouch and sense rom because of flash lite (i hope it is possible)
cracked bootloader
multitouch
dual boot~ 1 on phone, 1 on sd card
It wouldn't be fair to put marks on the xda-developers working on the X8 since they're doing us a big favor.
But I do hope that they finish.
I think they'll be able to find a way through the boot loader within the next few months. It would be great to get multi-touch..
Hey, did you guys know that the X10 is getting a Gingerbread release from Sony Ericcsson?
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Support for the X8 devs!
rstdnm said:
It wouldn't be fair to put marks on the xda-developers working on the X8 since they're doing us a big favor.
But I do hope that they finish.
I think they'll be able to find a way through the boot loader within the next few months. It would be great to get multi-touch..
Hey, did you guys know that the X10 is getting a Gingerbread release from Sony Ericcsson?
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Support for the X8 devs!
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i do think the same things
I hope there will be dual touch (full DT , like in X10) and fully working 2.3 rom
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i want
flash support
I recently asked Sony Ericsson for an Xperia X8 2.2 an official update, I was not expecting a reply but they did.
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
We can advise the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 were all tested on Android 2.2 but did not improve the handset but rather diminished it as it started to run slower and crashed frequently which will not have improved the user experience.
The decision was then made to keep these handsets on Android 2.1 as they were originally designed to go up to Android 2.1 and no further, however as Android 2.2 was requested by our users the handset was tested.
Once we were able to update the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 to Android 2.3 we then also tested the Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 with this Android platform, however it again diminished the handset.
Sony Ericsson decided to keep these handsets on Android 2.1 so the handset would perform at its highest. As advised we will continue to release system updates for the handset to try and improve it as much as possible, however this will not be performed by updating the Operating System to Android 2.2 or 2.3.
We can only apologise for the inconvenience caused and will ensure your feedback is passed on to the relevant department to be looked into.
For further information on Sony Ericsson products, services and support please visit sonyericsson.com.
Should you require any further assistance then please do not hesitate to respond to this email or call our customer support on 08705 237 237.
Kind Regards,
Louis Gray
Sony Ericsson UK Customer Services
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Hmmmm..........I'm pretty sure the custom made by devs don't crash I'm guessing they can't be bothered.
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
doixanh said:
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
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TRUE!
Please someone who knows english flawlessly reply to SE:
If you found out 2.2 is diminishing the phone, then why does the ported 2.2 (2.3)
ROMs faster, than the original SE 2.1 soft with X8?
P.S.: If you need good programmers, browse at XDA...
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Wonder what will be the answer (if there is any...).
Edit.: worlds biggest Troll is clearly SE
ozzygang said:
I recently asked Sony Ericsson for an Xperia X8 2.2 an official update, I was not expecting a reply but they did.
Hmmmm..........I'm pretty sure the custom made by devs don't crash I'm guessing they can't be bothered.
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Haha... you ask to low.., why dont you asking honeycomb for x8.. ..
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Asycid said:
Please someone who knows english flawlessly reply to SE:
If you found out 2.2 is diminishing the phone, then why does the ported 2.2 (2.3)
ROMs faster, than the original SE 2.1 soft with X8?
P.S.: If you need good programmers, browse at XDA...
Wonder what will be the answer (if there is any...).
Edit.: worlds biggest Troll is clearly SE
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..but are they stable enough for everyday use as the stock one?
account1 said:
..but are they stable enough for everyday use as the stock one?
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More stable than stock
Try elelinux or rachts floyo
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Why don't you reply to them? Attach links to custom roms including 2.2 and 2.3 on this forum and ask if they are idiots or they have idiot developers? Ask exacley what they tested, what doesn't work, what exacley what is slow, ask when they are planinig updates, what kind of updates...
Be stupid and BOTHER THEM with question =)
If few individuals can make [email protected], I still wounder how big companie such as SE can't do it.
I agree with post above > no money -no new android. So much for customer service.
I'm guessing i won't be buying another SE anytime soon, aldough I realy liked the brand.
Yeah, android 2.2 and 2.3 used to crash on X8's stock kernel. If they modified the kernel for the newer version of android it would have stopped crashing. But I guess they took a look at it, decided it's too much of a work for them, and dumped the project in order to focus on newer phones
As for slowing down - if drivers were meant for 2.1 of course it slowed down. If they made a proper 2.3 update for X8 it would run smooth as baby's ass.
Bullshitters.
i have a bit....
we all know hardware of W8 is the same of X8
after coming update 2.2 or 2.3 for W8 (not our X8) send them this request with this silly answer
when they say again :
we then also tested the Xperia X10 Mini, Mini Pro and X8 with this Android platform, however it again diminished the handset.
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then tell them f**ck u SE
Can anybody give me an e-mail adress where I can "complain"?
X1111 said:
after coming update 2.2 or 2.3 for W8 (not our X8)
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I don't think SE will update W8
Where did u get this info?
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I don't think SE will update W8
Where did u get this info?
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i don't remember clearly ,maybe only hear it ,maybe a fake news
Well custom rom with 2.2 works great so dont belive them
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sony ericsson
sony ericsson just want us to buy new phones. why can a cutom rom handle 2.2/2.3? SE is stupid
oh my
I think that don't want update the android version .. Simple =/
hi
Fo r me they won't do it because tmost of the people now are practical if they upgrade the
phones with cheaper value the sales of phones with cheaper value will increase but the phone with higher value will decrease in sales
doixanh said:
The reason is simple: they don't want to upgrade OS for us because that upgrade doesn't bring them profit.
It (the above reply) is just a way to fool noob users to stay with 2.1 happily.
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Very True. Now we have ICS running very smooth.
I think the 2.2 roms that are running smooth here, are because they have no additional software running in the background. If you have SE software running in the background and SE apps installed, of course it will be slow.
Finally the unofficial update Gingerbread with CM features to X8 has been a reality with the help of one of the FreeXperia member. Although we have so many great ROMs out there it will never replicate what unique sony features is, but through this debranding engine we are very close to 2011 edition phone by SE. We have now the final release and thanks to Achotjan, but apparently due to he has no device to continually develop and support for X8, we will not have an frequent update. Below is the willingness of this guy to work on our device. In short we have to be united again like we did to bring back our great dev doixanh. If we like to have a frequent support we also have to make a move and help Achotjan.
i haven't the device in hand now , so will not be able to release new updates , if you really want to have more update on this rom , and a future ICS CM9 semc debrand engine so , donate me and wrote here on the thread the amount and confirmation number if i have necessary money to buy this device i will gladly buy the device and continue to work on
Cheers
Achotjan
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This thread is intended for all those who want to contribute in any amount that is warm in our heart.
If you will post something that against this, maybe you better shut up!
I guess we have to raise 200 (might change) dollars.
I dont know what is the exact price of x8.
To start with i will give 1dollar (might raise).
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS IF YOU SAY YOU WILL DONATE PLEASE DO.
Please Share this to Other
Donation Link
Paypal
Or Here
Achotjan please monitor your account.
Donators:
1. deedii = 1 dollar
Yeah! C'mon guys! We'll riot Sony Ericsson! I'll see if I have any money on my card (I'm only a teenager so I don't know how much I have ) , also, we should all email Sony Ericsson with a pre-made email from here on the forum. So all you'd have to do is copy the email that some one of us XDA members will make and paste it into an email!
It could possibly change Sony's Mind!
i shoud donate ,but paypall not work in Srbija
@IrishStuff09 same here, only a teenager, but i will see if i have anything on my debit card
Im not promising i will (cuz i doubt i will have any money) but i will look
Irish to make it clear. The reason why SE doesn't support anymore 2010 series phone is because of there marketing strategy, actually there reason that the device cant handle any updates anymore because of low specs is just a cover up for the strategy. i know they are fully aware that this device can do a lot better than there cover up reason. So I think mailing them would not make any sense. If they will support X8 of course more people will choose X8 if it also have an Arc features, cheap yet powerful.
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Irish to make it clear. The reason why SE doesn't support anymore 2010 series phone is because of there marketing strategy, actually there reason that the device cant handle any updates anymore because of low specs is just a cover up for the strategy. i know they are fully aware that this device can do a lot better than there cover up reason. So I think mailing them would not make any sense. If they will support X8 of course more people will choose X8 if it also have an Arc features, cheap yet powerful.
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not realy , xperia x8 is realy a problem for SE , why ? cause of drm releated think
x8 its a armv6 cpu based device and it will take more time and effort to make all armv7 libs for armv6 , they will lose a lot of time and of mony also , other then that the reason that why my rom is stable and speedy its cause of CM7 and our hacks
SE can not do that as they need to support the device after the update if you have the same ussd errors its not serius from a big manufacter , also i already trayed even for x10 to build a AOSP with semcdebrand engine and its realy lagy cuase ther is no tweak so i think they can not do that for x8 , but for x10 they can even make real multituch but they not do that thats is another question ,
but i agree that they can update it to at leas Froyo
cheers
Achotjan
...:-( no paypall in serbia....
deedii said:
Irish to make it clear. The reason why SE doesn't support anymore 2010 series phone is because of there marketing strategy, actually there reason that the device cant handle any updates anymore because of low specs is just a cover up for the strategy. i know they are fully aware that this device can do a lot better than there cover up reason. So I think mailing them would not make any sense. If they will support X8 of course more people will choose X8 if it also have an Arc features, cheap yet powerful.
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I see, but y'know, it could do something??!!
Start a petition maybe?
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Achotjan thanks for that clarification, well that is only my opinion.
Btw is there any other means people can donate at you aside from paypal?
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I see, but y'know, it could do something??!!
Start a petition maybe?
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Well if its for the common good then I will always support it
We have to collect about 150$/115Euros. Achotjan need older device with unlocked bootloader or at least possibility of unlocking. Right now I'm without cash, but in 3 days I'll give Achotjan some bucks
Yes it will be a problem as well for him finding old release x8. Im also thinking about that a while ago since we have unlocking issues on new release.
Maybe someone is changing phone and has unlocked X8 to sell?
Im a teenager too :-/
but you can t buy a new phone. it s very risky about bootloader unlock...
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Best thing to do is to buy a used phone, which means he probably can unlock bootloader and it will be cheap too.
i am going to donate 2.5 gbp
deedii said:
Finally the unofficial update Gingerbread with CM features to X8 has been a reality with the help of one of the FreeXperia member. Although we have so many great ROMs out there it will never replicate what unique sony features is, but through this debranding engine we are very close to 2011 edition phone by SE. We have now the final release and thanks to Achotjan, but apparently due to he has no device to continually develop and support for X8, we will not have an frequent update. Below is the willingness of this guy to work on our device. In short we have to be united again like we did to bring back our great dev doixanh. If we like to have a frequent support we also have to make a move and help Achotjan.
This thread is intended for all those who want to contribute in any amount that is warm in our heart.
If you will post something that against this, maybe you better shut up!
I guess we have to raise 200 (might change) dollars.
I dont know what is the exact price of x8.
To start with i will give 1dollar (might raise).
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS IF YOU SAY YOU WILL DONATE PLEASE DO.
Please Share this to Other
Donation Link
Paypal
Or Here
Achotjan please monitor your account.
Donators:
1. deedii = 1 dollar
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i am gonna donate 2.5 gbp
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where do i send to it i am in the uk and have a uk paypal i am only 14 so ic an only give 2.50 british pounds
achotjan...that true,but many devices(armv6) have froyo an 2.3 official...many samsung devices,huawei,viewsonic dual sim ,some lg devices and etc...SE,now Sony have surces to bring updates but dont wont to do that..l dont have paypall,if someone now ho to donate without pp,lets write here !
Achotjan said:
not realy , xperia x8 is realy a problem for SE , why ? cause of drm releated think
x8 its a armv6 cpu based device and it will take more time and effort to make all armv7 libs for armv6 , they will lose a lot of time and of mony also , other then that the reason that why my rom is stable and speedy its cause of CM7 and our hacks
SE can not do that as they need to support the device after the update if you have the same ussd errors its not serius from a big manufacter , also i already trayed even for x10 to build a AOSP with semcdebrand engine and its realy lagy cuase ther is no tweak so i think they can not do that for x8 , but for x10 they can even make real multituch but they not do that thats is another question ,
but i agree that they can update it to at leas Froyo
cheers
Achotjan
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But you must know that samsungs android isnt the same as sonys...
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eagleeyetom said:
Achotjan need older device with unlocked bootloader or at least possibility of unlocking.
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(and @deedii)
That's my very first thought as well.
If he goes out NOW to buy a new X8 the chances are incredibly high that he will only be able to fetch a post-11W29 device that can't be unlocked by software - this means he has to take the trouble to crack it open with either setool2 or Wotan (and both methods aren't tried yet).
I think it would be a whole lot more efficient if Achotjan would first investigate his options to either somehow get a OLD X8 that can be unlocked by the_laser's hack or determine that he can unlock a newer 11W29+ / 12W## X8 through the testpins trick.
B.Jay said:
(and @deedii)
That's my very first thought as well.
If he goes out NOW to buy a new X8 the chances are incredibly high that he will only be able to fetch a post-11W29 device that can't be unlocked by software - this means he has to take the trouble to crack it open with either setool2 or Wotan (and both methods aren't tried yet).
I think it would be a whole lot more efficient if Achotjan would first investigate his options to either somehow get a OLD X8 that can be unlocked by the_laser's hack or determine that he can unlock a newer 11W29+ / 12W## X8 through the testpins trick.
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hmmmm, yes, if we dont contact him saying that he should buy a pre-owned x8 with the date 11w28 and below, he might go out to shops now and come back with one that we will have to crack through testpins, and this will be hard. what if there could be a fix to fill up the security hole?
nah, i doubt it. Wish there was though.....
So how'd you think we will crack these testpins? The only things i have ever hacked is someones cctv, and my neighbors wifi
EDIT: hey guys, check this out! wander what date it is......