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Want to get in on the fun!

Ok, so I've worked with computers my whole life, and got the G1 right away and now the vibrant. I never did any moding to the G1 cuz I was ascared, but now I'm ready to go all in with the V. Here's my problem:
I just want some clarification on some technical terms, ROM, kernal, and their difference. I'm really not dumb I'm just scared I'll eff up. See I was about to flash Bionix w/voodoo, until I read more and saw Eugene's 2.2 and the JAC kernal, also Team Whisky just released something new, maybe just an update to bionix, idk.
So yeah, I know this is noobish, I'm just hoping to get a little talking to by some smart folks here so I feel a little more knowledgeable.

dcpetterson said:
Ok, so I've worked with computers my whole life, and got the G1 right away and now the vibrant. I never did any moding to the G1 cuz I was ascared, but now I'm ready to go all in with the V. Here's my problem:
I just want some clarification on some technical terms, ROM, kernal, and their difference. I'm really not dumb I'm just scared I'll eff up. See I was about to flash Bionix w/voodoo, until I read more and saw Eugene's 2.2 and the JAC kernal, also Team Whisky just released something new, maybe just an update to bionix, idk.
So yeah, I know this is noobish, I'm just hoping to get a little talking to by some smart folks here so I feel a little more knowledgeable.
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welcome. bricking the vibrant is actually hard to do. be sure to always use the search forum and the question-and-answers forum here before doing anything else and to avoid getting flamed. i suggest going to the "vibrant directory bible" sticky and start from there. the sticky is located in the development section here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=711

ryan562 said:
welcome. bricking the vibrant is actually hard to do. be sure to always use the search forum and the question-and-answers forum here before doing anything else and to avoid getting flamed. i suggest going to the "vibrant directory bible" sticky and start from there. the sticky is located in the development section here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=711
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just a question, why do people say that bricking the vibrant is hard to do when lots of people are encountering a soft brick? does the brick you're pertaining to is the one that cannot be fixed anymore?

iynfynity said:
just a question, why do people say that bricking the vibrant is hard to do when lots of people are encountering a soft brick? does the brick you're pertaining to is the one that cannot be fixed anymore?
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Im sure he means the literal 'bricking' where it is no more than a paperweight, forever (aside from maybe a jtag flash).
Soft bricks are easy but also relatively easy to recover from.
ROM - Think of it as an OS
Kernel - The main piece of code that manages resources on the computer while running.
In the Galaxy S (other phones too?), the kernel is flashed to a specific part of the internal storage. The ROM is the rest of the stuff needed for the phone to do phone stuff (make phone calls, send txts, mms, images, icons, etc)
Sometimes a ROM comes with a kernel as well. Sometimes it will use the 'stock' kernel (i.e. the one that comes with the phone from the factory). JAC, KK, et. al have their own UV/OC kernel built from the samsung sources. I've built some playing with various options. It's not terribly difficult but you should know linux/compiling before hand.
Aaaanyway, I would suggest starting with stock Bionix or possibly UV/OC versions. Leave voodoo until you get more comfortable. Get used to ROM manager and/or Titanium backup. Maybe run through Odin a few times. I keep meaning to write up a short HOWTO on basic procedures, but keep getting side tracked. Someone posted a nice youtube video which works well though.

What is kernal?

Thanks a lot, flashed fusion last night and its going well so far. I feel less dumb now. Not using any lag fix with the JAC version, if I wanted to, is there one I can use?
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dcpetterson said:
Thanks a lot, flashed fusion last night and its going well so far. I feel less dumb now. Not using any lag fix with the JAC version, if I wanted to, is there one I can use?
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You can always flash Voodoo on top of Fusion. The information on that is in the Bionix Fusion thread. You should have that thread as a bookmark if you are running that rom.
One thing I do is carry a thumbdrive or flash media with a folder for all my Android stuff. And I have a special folder that has the instructions AND the files/programs necessary to undo a soft brick of my phone.
And one rule to live by, when in doubt ALWAYS disable Voodoo.

Great advice, gettin my own.
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Don't forget to backup when switching Roms. There are two main ways to backup that you should get into the habit of doing:
Nandroid: Basically backups the entire phone for the "Uh-Oh" moments (You can use this function through clockwork recovery. Its the option called "backup and restore" or "nandroid")
Titanium Backup: Backups the data of your apps and basically freezes them into a backup (you can download this from the market, instructions in the app) It saves backups to its own folder.
The most important thing to do is to backup your backups to your computer somewhere! If not, you'll lose your backups!! Then, you'll be really screwed.

I won't even try to install froyo on my rooted epic

It sounds really complicated and risky, and some of the posts I've read seem to indicate that wifi tether might not work after installing froyo. I can live without flash on my phone, but wifi tether is my only at home source of internt and there's no way I'm paying Sprint's greedy asses thirty bucks a month for something android's capable of doing for free.
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Yorebuttrules said:
It sounds really complicated and risky, and some of the posts I've read seem to indicate that wifi tether might not work after installing froyo. I can live without flash on my phone, but wifi tether is my only at home source of internt and there's no way I'm paying Sprint's greedy asses thirty bucks a month for something android's capable of doing for free.
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Its really not that difficult. Just backup your phone (boot into clockwork>backup+restore>backup), flash the new PIT+modem through Odin, and install quantumROM (or any other rom) from zip on SD through clockwork. No issues for me here. ^,^
Plus, you can always restore if something goes wrong or flash to stock and restore the data from your backup.

I'm pretty new to android and I was kinda worried at first as well, but seriously its not hard at all. I cringed when I first rooted my evo and now on to my epic and I'm not scared at all now. Rooting my phone was the best thing I've done to it and I don't regret trying. I know there are "risks" involved but as long as you read and follow the instructions posted in literally every post then you'll be fine. And flashing to froyo was way easier than I thought. I was gonna stay on 2.1 till the official 2.2 release came out but I can't leave stuff alone. And it was super easy! Odin worked exactly as described and flashing roms is a simple process. You just have to read and read again. So have fun and happy modding.
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Yorebuttrules said:
It sounds really complicated and risky, and some of the posts I've read seem to indicate that wifi tether might not work after installing froyo. I can live without flash on my phone, but wifi tether is my only at home source of internt and there's no way I'm paying Sprint's greedy asses thirty bucks a month for something android's capable of doing for free.
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Nothing risky about it just need the capability of following simple step by step directions (seeming to become a rarity today). Most the people on here should have crapped their pants in the early days of android flashing SPLs to load roms that would have a high probability of bricking the phone requiring a JTAG repair to get working again.

konaman said:
I'm pretty new to android and I was kinda worried at first as well, but seriously its not hard at all. I cringed when I first rooted my evo and now on to my epic and I'm not scared at all now. Rooting my phone was the best thing I've done to it and I don't regret trying. I know there are "risks" involved but as long as you read and follow the instructions posted in literally every post then you'll be fine. And flashing to froyo was way easier than I thought. I was gonna stay on 2.1 till the official 2.2 release came out but I can't leave stuff alone. And it was super easy! Odin worked exactly as described and flashing roms is a simple process. You just have to read and read again. So have fun and happy modding.
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I'm begging you to please not encourage him. I promise this will be a much happier place without him :~)
To the OP, you are correct in saying this is risky business. Enjoy your Epic in its stock form as it is already an excellent phone. Wait till your official upgrade comes out very soon and just enjoy!
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drago009 said:
You are a ***** and we dont care!
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Though the OP is not ready for the world we have indulged in, there is no reason to use that language and offend others. I'm sure we all have doubted in the past to do something.
At his pace and time he will join us and step up to the challenge. PLEASE refrain your language!
- SFC Megabite
"Perfection is my life goal, excellence will be tolerated, WHOA!"

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Also, I cleaned up the thread. If you have nothing useful to add to the OP's message, don't reply.

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Also, I cleaned up the thread. If you have nothing useful to add to the OP's request, don't reply.
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request? I don't see a request from the OP, just him stating that he thinks it is risky to flash 2.2.1 and we were telling him why we didn't think it was risky. Is the forum getting so controlling that an opinion related directly to an OP's post is labeled invalid??? My post didn't call him any names or make fun of him, just stated that its a developers forum, not for people who can't live without problems.
This place gets crazier every day.

Rom manager support, or lack there of

This comment on twitter should be all you need to know to avoid buying the premium version of Rom Manager if you own a Samsung Fascinate
http://twitter.com/#!/clockworkmod/status/41727966463393792
Just posting a warning, if you are going to choose to support a Dev with an app purchase, there are other options.

I thought some devs here dont even care about rm due to the guy whos in charge never getting back to them. (hence the reason why i wont buy the premium)

The devs don't care. And the devs have fixed the recovery (multiple times).

Kaze105 said:
I thought some devs here dont even care about rm due to the guy whos in charge never getting back to them. (hence the reason why i wont buy the premium)
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"the guy in charge" is the guy that made the tweet. Our devs are right. Avoid RM.

Too bad i paid for this when i had my D1.
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I hope someone develops a competing application to knock him out of the market. It shouldnt be too hard considering the terrible attitude that guy has towards support.

for all your fascinate flashing needs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942021

What a jackass. Snotty "I got my money" attitude combined with a totally ignorant attack on the guys who fixed his screwups months ago.

With the new CWM Red, you really don't need to use ROM Manager. It's just a pretty little interface. Everything you need can be DLed and Installed through CWM

Since, Someone has already started this on XDA. I guess i will just have to add to it so I don't make another thread that will be considered pointless and will go unread. This isn't intended to be trolling or anything, since I am giving positive reviews also. Also, if you have anything to say about it, you can either pm here or you can get on IRC and say something there, I am on there as "error"
This is in response to everyone over the whole Koush/Rom Manager issue going on right now. I am going to list some pros/cons of this whole thing going on.
Pros:
This App was easy to use and even noobs could figure it out, which was a great thing because you are new to a phone and you don't know where to go to get support over your phone(XDA, IRC, etc) then you are left there wondering what you can/can't do.
Different features that give you pretty much a full customization. You could go through everything and flash whatever you wanted, it was right there for you.
Users loved Rom Manager, they absolutely loved being able to do the things they could through it.
Starting out, there was a good amount of support behind the App. Which support will get you far with anyone, because you take the time out to help people.
Cons:
Lack of Support.
Lack of Updates.
Lack of Communication.
Lack of a Good Attitude towards those that have already paid out money to support the creator.
I gave 4 pros/cons...I am sure there are way more for each side of this, as I am sure there is also words that would need to be said, but could also probably get me in some trouble. But, everyone seems to be getting really frustrated at the lack of support now, maybe its just the Fascinate side of things. But, the way it is looking, he doesn't like some of the devs, so he could careless what is said/done with RM for our phone. Maybe I am not making a lick of sense at all and people are scratching their head and wondering why I am even putting this. But, I know some people will agree with some if not most of my points I have made.
Rom Manager is lacking a lot right now and when some of us do try to get support for the phone, we get the cold shoulder from the creator of the app. So either, stop supporting us period...or someone can make a new Manager for us and support us better. We have given our money and paid our dues, we just want our support is all.

i think folks should leave nasty grams on the market. hit that jackass where it hurts.

gunnermike said:
i think folks should leave nasty grams on the market. hit that jackass where it hurts.
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Great idea, done.

Eh, he made up with jt at least.

s44 said:
Eh, he made up with jt at least.
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yeah, well he hasnt made up with the rest of us.

He needs to patch his public image. He insulted every Fascinate user out there.

thank you

What a pile
Rocking dj05, themed superdark w/o swype mod, voodoo 5, with custom boot and shutdown..

What other phones is he discontinuing support? .. We need to go to their phone section and invite them to get in on this spamming of horrible comments in the marketplace.. And maybe invite in other forums too.. Like android forums
Rocking dj05, themed superdark w/o swype mod, voodoo 5, with custom boot and shutdown..

adrynalyne said:
He needs to patch his public image. He insulted every Fascinate user out there.
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Agreed, i'll second that any day.
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Rocking dj05, themed superdark w/o swype mod, voodoo 5, with custom boot and shutdown..[/QUOTE]
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Best rom to use

I know I'm sure I saw this asked already and apologize but I'm completely new to all this and dont know what roms to use or anything. So any suggestions would be awesome. And am I even asking in the right area? Haha
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I have had great luck with bonzai 3.0 with the amosher gingerbread theme. Been using bonzai for a few months now... great feel and great look with the theme.
Esp with the new official froyo..... good luck!
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gregory15 said:
I have had great luck with bonzai 3.0 with the amosher gingerbread theme. Been using bonzai for a few months now... great feel and great look with the theme.
Esp with the new official froyo..... good luck!
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Thanks I'll have to check it when I can get my computer to detect my phone in download mode and or figure out how to do all of this haha
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You'll get lots of differing opinions, here's mine. (I know that this won't make any friends here)
None of the current batch of ROMS is solid yet. They each have a fatal flaw. I've tried a few but ended up back on stock EB13 with the camera fix kernel flashed over it. And frankly if you flash stock EB13 using the Samsung installer it's pretty good right out of the box.
And, regardless of what people tell you flashing an Epic is not trivial for a noob. Just read all the frantic posts from people trying to figure out why their phone won't boot. Before you get started be sure you know what Odin is and how to use it (and which PIT files go with which PDA files), what the difference between EXT4 and RFS is and which version of clockwork you can use with each, and what deodexed means. There are enough variable that you have to get right that a little knowledge can save you hours, maybe days of wasted time.
If you have to try one, read the WHOLE thread before flashing and see what's now working yet. If you decide that doesn't matter to you, flash away.

poit said:
You'll get lots of differing opinions, here's mine. (I know that this won't make any friends here)
None of the current batch of ROMS is solid yet. They each have a fatal flaw. I've tried a few but ended up back on stock EB13 with the camera fix kernel flashed over it. And frankly if you flash stock EB13 using the Samsung installer it's pretty good right out of the box.
And, regardless of what people tell you flashing an Epic is not trivial for a noob. Just read all the frantic posts from people trying to figure out why their phone won't boot. Before you get started be sure you know what Odin is and how to use it (and which PIT files go with which PDA files), what the difference between EXT4 and RFS is and which version of clockwork you can use with each, and what deodexed means. There are enough variable that you have to get right that a little knowledge can save you hours, maybe days of wasted time.
If you have to try one, read the WHOLE thread before flashing and see what's now working yet. If you decide that doesn't matter to you, flash away.
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Thanks I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the help
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poit said:
You'll get lots of differing opinions, here's mine. (I know that this won't make any friends here)
None of the current batch of ROMS is solid yet. They each have a fatal flaw. I've tried a few but ended up back on stock EB13 with the camera fix kernel flashed over it. And frankly if you flash stock EB13 using the Samsung installer it's pretty good right out of the box.
And, regardless of what people tell you flashing an Epic is not trivial for a noob. Just read all the frantic posts from people trying to figure out why their phone won't boot. Before you get started be sure you know what Odin is and how to use it (and which PIT files go with which PDA files), what the difference between EXT4 and RFS is and which version of clockwork you can use with each, and what deodexed means. There are enough variable that you have to get right that a little knowledge can save you hours, maybe days of wasted time.
If you have to try one, read the WHOLE thread before flashing and see what's now working yet. If you decide that doesn't matter to you, flash away.
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Good advice here.
Regarding roms, I have to say that I think the new SyndicateROM Frozen 1.0 (1.0.1 is almost out) is a solid replacement from stock. People have had issues with bad flashes (thx CW3) but once it's installed properly the battery lasts hours longer, it's incredibly quick, and has a number of improvements over stock. Keep in mind I wasn't using roms before this due to requiring the stability of stock (was on the stock rooted EB13), but am in heaven since I switched over. The rom is amazing. None of the instability issues I have had with my previous phones+roms.
I haven't tried the Bonzai rom though, heard that was stable and good as well.

adrift02 said:
Good advice here.
Regarding roms, I have to say that I think the new SyndicateROM Frozen 1.0 (1.0.1 is almost out) is a solid replacement from stock. People have had issues with bad flashes (thx CW3) but once it's installed properly the battery lasts hours longer, it's incredibly quick, and has a number of improvements over stock. Keep in mind I wasn't using roms before this due to requiring the stability of stock (was on the stock rooted EB13), but am in heaven since I switched over. The rom is amazing. None of the instability issues I have had with my previous phones+roms.
I haven't tried the Bonzai rom though, heard that was stable and good as well.
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Agreed. SyndicateROM seems to be the best and most stable ROM right now. That is until CM7 is done. Then everyone will burn out to Gingerbread.
By the way...did you go with Ext4 or RFS?

I have not had any issues with viper frozen or trulyepic. Trulyepic was my first. Very simple both flashy and stable. Ext4 is super fast too.
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I think I'll try bonsai and then try others and compare because it might be personal preference also and at the same time I really appreciate everyone's input and will put everyone's advice to good use! You all are awesome
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ichefae85 said:
I think I'll try bonsai and then try others and compare because it might be personal preference also and at the same time I really appreciate everyone's input and will put everyone's advice to good use! You all are awesome
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Keep in mind that roms on the same modem you can flash between much easier.
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Simply AOSP is great with the Genocide kernel.

fwiw i use midnight rom 4.0. been solid for me.

different folks, different strokes....
ive been on viper for awhile now and have no complaints.. everything works for me.. looks awesome,runs great.

Also been on Viper for the last few releases. Have not had issues as of yet. You'll get quite a few opinions, but all the devs here do a great job on their roms.
Samsung Epic ViperROM 4.0.4 Genocide kernel

I intend on trying multiple roms......right now I am on the sideline waiting for some of the significant issues (ie CIQ) to be resolved before I flash. Only a day or two away I believe.

When I first came to the Epic modding world, I started off using ViperRom. ViperRom has a lot of those cutting edge, sometimes experimental, mods. The new toys (and their themes are generally aesthetically pleasing) are nice, but may cause stability issues. I then switched to MidNightRom and was VERY pleased with it. It is based off the Bonsai ROM and is slimmed down for performance and stability. No complaints there, But I am currently using the ACS Frozen ROM, and I am VERY pleased with it as well. Speed and performance all around. So far, that is all I have tried.
Everything will vary based on user, but all the devs here put a lot of work into what they do and any ROM you flash will be an upgrade from stock in my opinion.

Try Frankenstein. I prefer bare.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=982415

Right now midNightROM with the Baked 2.0 kernel is really smooth for me....but a lot of good stuff right around the corner!

hammerbrain said:
Right now midNightROM with the Baked 2.0 kernel is really smooth for me....but a lot of good stuff right around the corner!
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Midnight has always been good, and the next versions of Bonsai and Syndicate are both looking real interesting, I wish they'd drop already. I've been sitting on the sidelines using stock EB13 waiting for them. Should be out any minute now.

ichefae85 said:
I think I'll try bonsai and then try others and compare because it might be personal preference also and at the same time I really appreciate everyone's input and will put everyone's advice to good use! You all are awesome
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Don't forget about Supernova. Been running it for 4 days and only have 1 problem. On you tube it plays the sound through the ear speaker not the louder speaker.
I think they have a new Rom coming soon and will give it a try.
I've been a fan of ACS for a long time. Back to DI18.
I will move to it probably after the next release when the mail client works.
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REVOLT!!!!!

I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....

I never used those apps myself, I prefer the piece of mind that's its being done right, I do like the format all zip I always used that.

I actually agree with you. I myself have come across issues with ROM manager the few times I've used it. Going into recovery yourself is more secure in getting the job done.
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HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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I have to agree

Agree to a certain point, but I do highly appreciate the work of Koush and Team Win. If nothing else, they both serve as great means of downloading the latest kernel or Nightly.

HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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ROM manager is just a gateway app, it doesn't flash the Rom for you it has a script to use in the recovery. It's kinda nice to ota a update.zip I can flash anytime.
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Its perfect for us newbies. And yes, we have the right to flash, and no, recovery is not self explaining!
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Meh, as long as the option is there to flash the old fashioned way (via recovery) is available, I can't really care too much about who may or may not be using rom manager or kernel manager.

xqzek said:
Its perfect for us newbies. And yes, we have the right to flash, and no, recovery is not self explaining!
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Which is why the threads for ROMS, normally have instructions on how to do it in recovery...
One thing that ROM Manager is great for is fixing permissions
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You're from Peoria ... so, uh, yeah, you're wrong.
Kidding aside, or - maybe not, what does it even really matter?
The experienced, and not so much, use these services ... why do you care? Are the masses running to you for help? No. They're not. If people are going to do things wrong, they're going to do things wrong.
I've used Kernel Manager twice, only because it seemed convenient. I still looked through threads here. Even if I didn't, who cares?
People use these out of convenience, for the most part. Then, sure, there are some that use such because of them being simple and have no problems. Not to be rude, but what do you care if people do or do not use these? People are still going to **** their **** up, regardless.
Again, if you were the 'help master,' which you're not, I might understand. But you're not, so I fail to understand the reason for the thread. Apart from ridiculing people.
Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
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I will say this; I see as many people posting problems about issues flashing from recovery as well. Again, if people are going to **** something up, they are going to **** something up. And with most people I have seen, they are posting positive experiences from using ROM Manager. Now, I know - despite you actually using numbers - you have no numbers. So, naturally, I wouldn't make such a drastic assumption while trying to actually use numbers. Made up numbers at that.
And, so - in turn, it's NOT useless. People get much use out of such apps. 'Noobs' and perfectly able individuals alike.
Hell, when I wanted to flash the GodMode kernel I just hit KernelManager and had it take care of business in one foul swoop. Granted, I'm using an older version of Amon's recovery, so I would have had to go into my folder and move the kernel to the root of my SD card, then power down and wipe cache and dalvik and so forth. Instead, I hit 'teh magic button stick' and took a few hits and took a few drinks while my phone just sat there. Beautiful.
Granted, I don't rely solely on these apps / programs ... but even if I did, would you hate me? I can't imagine why, seeing as I don't look to you for help when things go wrong. Not that they ever have. But, honestly, whatever. This is a pretty petty thread.

conqu1stador said:
You're from Peoria ... so, uh, yeah, you're wrong.
Kidding aside, or - maybe not, what does it even really matter?
The experienced, and not so much, use these services ... why do you care? Are the masses running to you for help? No. They're not. If people are going to do things wrong, they're going to do things wrong.
I've used Kernel Manager twice, only because it seemed convenient. I still looked through threads here. Even if I didn't, who cares?
People use these out of convenience, for the most part. Then, sure, there are some that use such because of them being simple and have no problems. Not to be rude, but what do you care if people do or do not use these? People are still going to **** their **** up, regardless.
Again, if you were the 'help master,' which you're not, I might understand. But you're not, so I fail to understand the reason for the thread. Apart from ridiculing people.
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agreed i read the threads but have at least tried the progs and they seemd to only kind of work well the kernal manager rom manager seemed useless lol but why does it make a difference if someone uses it? are they taking money away from you or something? jw and yes there are people who use it and come back and are like OMFG my **** is ****ed up but then all they gotta do is figure out how to fix it manually so yeah then they probally wont use it again lol

gonna take this one step at a time,
HipKat said:
I know that I come across as a prick on here lately, but I'm gonna start a revolution against ROM Manager and Kernel Manger...
Useless programs for people trying to shortcut a proven system...
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if you dont like them, then simply do not use them. whats the problem?
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One other thing I'm adding to that, but the vote is still out is any FormatAll programs. Both times i used Caulkins, I had to go reflash recovery via PC36IMG.
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used it many times with out issue. sounds like arrogant user error to me. btw its Calkulin, if your going to insult someone at least get the name right
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Newsflash! Wiping all in recovery works fine. I've flashed 1000 setups liek thnat with ZERO problems.
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flashing one zip is simply more convenient that multiple wipes. calkulins zip was created to help the users yet instead of being thankful you are an ingrate.
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As for the former, not in ONE single thread for any ROMS doers it say "Use ROM Manager". Wanna know why?? Because using RECOVERY is a PROVEN system
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did you know that the rom dev has to setup and submit his rom to rom manager? why do you think they do this? rom manager is supported heavily by the rom devs. it is an easy way for users to find new roms they otherwise may miss.
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I apologize to the Devs, especially Caulkin, because I think he's a genius, I know they put a lot of time and effort into their apps, but it's useless.
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you apoligize and insult in the same sentence, doesn't seem to sincere to me.
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I see 10,000 posts about people having problems with flashing ROMS and Recovery and 9,900 of them were using ROM Manager.....
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9890 of those 9900 are most likely user error. besides that, point me in the direction of one specific post like this. i guarantee i can point out a step or instruction or warning that was ignored
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OK, now the people that are gonna tell me how wrong I am can chime in.....
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done and done. if you do not appreciate the work put in by these devs then do not use there apps. bashing them will only turn off devs whose sole purpose is to help the community.

I don't trust those programs to do what they're supposed to do; I've read about to many horror stories from people who used them.

u stink
I like ROM Manager and Kernel Manager, they are convenient apps for newbies like me.

Please stop posting this stupid crap - "A Revolt against ROM Manager & Kernel Manager" Are you serious? I thought it would be a joke but your serious- lol. Yes it does cause problems but thats cause of simple mistakes. I have flashed through ROM & Kernel manager numerous times without a single fail or anything. And the irony of you saying you hate the 9,900 post about people not being able to flash - yet your adding the # of worthless posts with this stupid bullcrap. Sorry that I'm coming off rude but give me a break. These developers built something for inexperienced users & even advanced users to add convenience to flashing. If you really want a change please contact the developer with some constructive feedback, not this pointless thread. Cause trust me, this stupid revolt is going to get any application taken down.
Sincerely,
D3luSi0n4L
p.s - If you feel differently and would like to speak please feel free to pm me.

i have used then all and have no NO troubles with them ...
if you dont like them dont use them period .

I am not a pro but flashing things to my phone is nothing I am new to and I for one love BOTH apps!
I can look and read up on a ROM and have this cool program
Download
Backup
Wipe
Install
And let me know if there is a update.
I have flashed many roms and never had a problem. . .
Well, there was a time I did not pick the new gapps and well. . . . That was my bad.
Can I start a "REVOLT" from post like this?
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I am a newbie to all this stuff and I've looked at Rom Manager and didn't understand it but I was taught to flash through recovery. Although my first flash I didn't backup my OS (will never make that mistake again). Recovery is quite simple. Still getting the hang of all the lingo and what exactly everything does though.
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Why the rage?
I've never used the kernel app but rom manager and format-all.zip (I guess you never use clear-temp-files.zip either) have their uses.
When I first flashed a rom, I used ROM Manager (anyone remember Damage Control?). Then I used it to download ROMs but flashed via RA AMON. Now, I only use it to fix permissions. It's a good app for beginners.
I've used format-all.zip and clear-temp countless times and NEVER had any problems. I also never had problems with rom manager - I stopped using it because I wanted to clear dalvik cache and I wasn't sure if CWM did that.
Calm down. Choices are good even if some aren't ones you would choose.
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I'm not gonna dispute people's opinions, but I'm not gonna change mine, either.
BTW, I'm not from Peoria! HELL, no. I'm here because this where the psycho that spawned my kids is with her new husband, and I need to be near my kids.
I'm from Buffalo, NY originally.....