Change my mind? - Atrix 4G General

I was all set to purchase the atrix, however I see that development for unlocking the bootloader seems to be at a standstill...
I see the Tmobile G2X is coming out in less than a month, and if it is anything like the optimus 2X, it will have an unlocked bootloader. CWM is already available for the O2X and custom kernels are being developed.
Why should I go with an Atrix versus the G2X?
In my mind, these are the pros/cons.
Atrix Pros:
fingerprint scanner
higher resolution
1GB memory/16GB storage
smaller size/less weight
Atrix Cons:
signed/locked bootloader
HSUPA disabled...
blur
G2X Pros:
unlocked bootloader
stock android
quad band GSM and HSDPA radio
8MP camera
1080p recording and playback
G2X Cons:
512MB memory/8GB storage
larger/heavier

nomisunrider said:
I was all set to purchase the atrix, however I see that development for unlocking the bootloader seems to be at a standstill...
I see the Tmobile G2X is coming out in less than a month, and if it is anything like the optimus 2X, it will have an unlocked bootloader. CWM is already available for the O2X and custom kernels are being developed.
Why should I go with an Atrix versus the G2X?
In my mind, these are the pros/cons.
Atrix Pros:
fingerprint scanner
higher resolution
1GB memory/16GB storage
smaller size/less weight
Atrix Cons:
signed/locked bootloader
HSUPA disabled...
blur
G2X Pros:
unlocked bootloader
stock android
quad band GSM and HSDPA radio
8MP camera
1080p recording and playback
G2X Cons:
512MB memory/8GB storage
larger/heavier
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I'm going to be honest. If you have the choice of which carrier you can be on then I would not get the Atrix. The only thing the Atrix has going for it is some of its specs but that will shortly be matched by other phones and it has webtop but you can get a decent laptop for that price. I'm really trying to convince myself I want to keep the Atrix but I'm now thinking I will just pay the ETF and leave AT&T all together

i came from atrix now back to my old phone and now looking forward to buy g2x... hope t-mobile won't be stupid enough to lock its bootloader.
i've been recently active on the o2x dev section and people there are very optimistic and friendly especially now that cwm is released... paul from modaco is doing a great job pioneering the dev section... he is already making minor but great improvements
but the choice is yours, you must consider also the carriers that will be getting it.
both are good phones but i grew tired of atrix's restrictions. i like to hack and to do custom roms and kernels so a phone that has an unlocked bootloader would fit my taste.

Get G2X
higher resolution on atrix is not worth it, some games are not made for this resolution, don't run in full screen
and biggest deal to me is HSUPA disabled

I remember when my first android phone had 512mb of ram. Wait this is a new phone?

Clienterror said:
Wait this is a new phone?
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what new? the atrix or the g2x
the t-mobile g2x is the branded version of optimus 2x.

Related

Nexus S announced ;)

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/index
Nexus S is the first smartphone to feature a 4” Contour Display designed to fit comfortably in the palm of your hand and along the side of your face. It also features a 1GHz Hummingbird processor, front and rear facing cameras, 16GB of internal memory, and NFC (near field communication) hardware that lets you read information from NFC tags. NFC is a fast, versatile short-range wireless technology that can be embedded in all kinds of everyday objects like movie posters, stickers and t-shirts.
Hell yeah! Pretty much the SGS hardware!
Front+Back cam
1Ghz HummingBird
16Go
Let's hope we'll get a Gingerbread on the 16th!
WHY is that always all the good phones are on 900 bands?
# Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
# Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700
# HSPA type: HSDPA (7.2Mbps) HSUPA (5.76Mbps)
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There are so many phones I like, but none on 850 version (only I9000M), they always make them for Europe first... Why?!?!?!
Very nice, the specs look almost identical to the i9000. I guess we'll see a port soon!
I'd say I can't wait to have Gingerbread on my Galaxy S, damn I hate TouchWiz.
Review:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/06/google-nexus-s-review/
Yes even Gingerbread 2.3 has now gone official i just hope some one in the XDA community ports it soon for our i9000's to unleash its true power and potential with out off cource instaling a lagfix.
It is said that 16th is when tmoble is getting the nexus s
(via Engadget)
My request some one please port 2.3 for our i9000 too coz samsung is gona take ages to bring it as a official update via keis they dint even completly realease there 2.2 update to every one....
I mean XDA members are way better with software anyways so
"Hurray for 2.3"
My final verdict any ways
Galaxy S i9000 (with out a micro sd slot) (beefed up design of the device) + Better Gps chip + 2.3 + NFC (Which v wont b using any time soon) + Faster Update via Google paractcally = "The New Nexus S"
Yes yes u heard me the Nexus S dosent have a micro sd slot for memory expansion only built in 16GB kind of odd any ways.
So i am nt gona buy a Nexus S perhaps i will wate for the nex gen Nexus coz any ways if v port the nexus s software to out i9000 its gona give us the same xperence as with the Nexus S so why to buy it!!
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Which provider in Canada will work on the new Nexus S ?
Since Bell Mobility is using 850MHz and/or 1900MHz, does that me I can just put in my SIM card and be good to go ?
I hope GB will arrive soon on our phone...only hw difference seems to be this NFC feature,but i guess devs could just disable it (or not)...assuming it's a hw component and not just software app (i could be wrong)
Could the reason for Samsung's 'lazy' implementation and rollout of Froyo be because more development resources are being spent on getting Gingerbread on the Galaxy S?
so... the Nexus S is a Galaxy S with Gingerbread.
Bad news for those who hoped something new.
Good news for Galaxy S owners. I hope we can flash the Nexus S rom as soon as possible!
Maddmatt said:
Could the reason for Samsung's 'lazy' implementation and rollout of Froyo be because more development resources are being spent on getting Gingerbread on the Galaxy S?
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I wouldn't count on it
hot damn that looks amazingly sexy! the minor changes just looks so much better!! wowww.. but no dual core??
Nah, I would think that the delay with froyo had to do with Sammy's work on the SGT, rather than the Nexus S.
This will definitely be ported, it might even not require a port if it uses odin. I can't wait, we might have it in less than 10 days if samfirmware get their hands on it.
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bossman74 said:
Which provider in Canada will work on the new Nexus S ?
Since Bell Mobility is using 850MHz and/or 1900MHz, does that me I can just put in my SIM card and be good to go ?
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No. It will fail on Bell or Telus HSPA, it won't even work for voice. It will work voice and EDGE only with Rogers/Fido. Wind/Mobilcity will support it, inside their microscopic zones.
I'm pretty sure they'll do what they did with the Nexus One, which is to give T-Mobile a month or so of "exclusivity" in North America, then roll out a 850/1900 HSPA version.
i like it and all, but still, the shape is so weird...... just like the galaxy i9000, might just stick with this as no major difference in specs or looks, do you think gingerbread will come to our i9000's?
My NEW phone
shouldnt samsung themselves be porting this **** over stat? theyve had all of the code for months now working on this new phone. it should be simple for them to port it with the hardware being so similar.
somehow i dont see it happening tho. how soon do you think 2.3 will be for the poor galaxy s?
This phone looks great, but I'm worried that it'll have RFS. If it's just a retooled galaxy s, is it going to suffer from bad gps and lag?
I loved my galaxy s when I got it, but it just degrades more everyday, and its totally stock. Sometimes the lag is so bad, that I can't answer the phone because it's ringing but the UI has locked up and I can't swipe to answer. A bit of lag is something I can deal with, not being able to answer the phone is indefensible.

Potential switch from ATT to Verizon, have some questions...

Hey guys, I'm thinking about ditching the AT&T and switching to Verizon when Bionic comes out.
have some questions, maybe you guys can help me get answers to them =)
How locked is the Verizon's Droid? Have you tried unlocking it to use with other providers in another country?
When phone is bootloader unlocked/rooted, can it be reverted back for warranty purposes?
$1000000 question: can you tether with regular unlimited plan? With/without dev hacks?
Thank you!
The original Droid is fair game. I'm assuming you mean the newer ones, though. They all have locked bootloaders and can't get new kernels without MOTO. Any world phone can connect to gsm towers, foreign and domestic. It's a matter of software determining which technology to use. If the phone isn't "global" it's cdma only.
You can perform a stock reset by loading a file called SBF. It's basically an image of a phone from the factory.
You can tether without voiding your warranty, but you will violate your Verizon ToS. You can wirelessly tether by rooting your phone or hacking the stock tether app. Read around and you'll find this is all very simple.I
zehkaiser said:
The original Droid is fair game. I'm assuming you mean the newer ones, though. They all have locked bootloaders and can't get new kernels without MOTO. Any world phone can connect to gsm towers, foreign and domestic. It's a matter of software determining which technology to use. If the phone isn't "global" it's cdma only.
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Thanks for the reply.
To rephrase the question, can I unlock my Droid to run on a different LTE/CDMA provider? I know verizon doesn't give the unlock codes like ATT does, but I'm pretty sure there must be a way to make it run with different providers, obviously without roaming.
If we are talking about Droid 1, yes you can "unlock" it, by rooting, flashing recovey, SPL and bootloader. There are guides on how to do this very easily.
Afterwards, you can go ahead and program it with whatever carrier values you want to be with and asking them to allow the ESN/MEID on their network; some will do it for a small fee others not.
But if we are talking about the Droid 2 and Droid X, the bootloaders haven't been able to be cracked, therefore operating them in different carriers has proven to be a very difficult task.
You are able to program them, to make the phone work, and most probably the 1X internet service which is like EDGE on GSM.
I have heard there are ways you can flash it to Cricket and it can work at 100%, but take me for example, I have stored Droid X I can't use because I cannot make the 3G to work as long as the bootloader is locked.
Hope it helps!
Nope. The only other CDMA carrier is Sprint, and it doesn't work. LTE we will probably have to wail and see, but I dont think any other carriers have a LTE network as of now
DarkWolfx said:
If we are talking about Droid 1, yes you can "unlock" it, by rooting, flashing recovey, SPL and bootloader. There are guides on how to do this very easily.
Afterwards, you can go ahead and program it with whatever carrier values you want to be with and asking them to allow the ESN/MEID on their network; some will do it for a small fee others not.
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Hope it helps!
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Thanks for the info!
I'm used to unlocking/flashing phones with tools provided by xda community, and although not a phone hacker myself, never had problems with unlocking them.
I'm just trying to forsee what are the chances that Droid Bionic (which is my reason for switching to VZW) will be unlockable/flashable.
It surprises me that, as you say, latest Droids' bootloader is locked. I can't believe xda talents didn't find a way to unlock/root/reflash it
blockhead42 said:
The only other CDMA carrier is Sprint
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There are other countries in the world, you know
DarkDvr said:
There are other countries in the world, you know
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This is true! I have seen people flash the X to Cricket, but haven't heard of anyone bringing it to sprint....
To answer your other questions:
1.How locked is the Verizon's Droid? Have you tried unlocking it to use with other providers in another country?
ANSWER: While the X cannot be unlocked (not a global phone...) the Droid 2 Global, and the Droid Pro have both been unlocked to be used on other networks (GSM only I believe). This is a recent development from Team Black Hat (+10000 to them).
2.When phone is bootloader unlocked/rooted, can it be reverted back for warranty purposes?
ANSWER: as stated above... the only Motorola phone with an unlocked bootloader is the original Droid. Phones such as the HTC Droid Incredible have an unlocked bootloader, and can run custom kernals and the like.
3.$1000000 question: can you tether with regular unlimited plan? With/without dev hacks?
Answer: Yes, you can tether with the regular unlimited plan. This requires rooting the phone, if you wish to use such tether modes such as Wireless Tether for root (which now runs in infrastructure mode...). Team Black Hat has also released an update.zip that allows you to run Verizon's Wireless Hotspot app without incurring the $20 a month fee that goes along with it.
So there are some hacks required to get tethering... but if you want free tethering....its definitely worth it.
DarkDvr said:
It surprises me that, as you say, latest Droids' bootloader is locked. I can't believe xda talents didn't find a way to unlock/root/reflash it
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XDA's great minds are currently working on it! The obstacle is that Motorola is using a hefty 2048 bit encryption key, which to my knowledge, I do not believe that a 2048 bit encryption key has been broken for any use so far...
To continue.. Aliasxerog over on twitter is currently working with kexec (or was a little while ago) which allowed to pass a 2nd init process on to the boot process for linux operating systems. I believe for now, he may have moved away from kexec, and is just working on a different init for the X.
I suggest following him on twitter for any progress on this. Also check out P3Droid, and CellZealot for development.
If you are looking for themes, check out Bignadad on Twitter... as he is the king in my opinion... Does the best work I have seen.
Thanks for great replies guys.
I don't own X, nor do I really plan to, I'm just using it as a reference to predict what kind of unlocking/flashing (if any) will be available for Droid Bionic, which I do want to get.
I never owned motorola (only Samsung and HTC) PDAs, so trying to test the waters before I jump in..
Leaving ATT because of their crappy network? Don't blame you.
If you're leaving just for the Bionic, the Atrix (ATT Only) appears to be the same phone, except the Atrix can dock into a "laptop" ("laptop" because the device is useless without the phone). Depending on how much the "laptop" dock costs, and depending on how often you travel away from home, it could be a pretty sweet combo.
With the bionic only having 512 MB of RAM, I'm definitely jealous of the Atrix. I probably wouldn't ever leave VZW though.
Looking at the specs the Bionic appears to be a BIG let down!!! With VZW supposedly having the"best" Motorola products in the droid line up the Atrix is a much better device than the Bionic & HTC's ThunderBolt seems to be in a league of it's own!!!
Now that VZW has changed the game getting the iPhone let's see what Apple & VZW come up with for the 4G LTE iPhone (better be more impressive than Motorola & the Bionic)
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The only difference between the Bionic and the Atrix 4g is the ram. The Bionic has a larger screen and is using toned down blur vs. full on blur. So I wouldn't call the Bionic a let down. I also wouldn't be surprised if [email protected] blocked the Atrix from sideloading apps.
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EtherBoo said:
Leaving ATT because of their crappy network? Don't blame you.
If you're leaving just for the Bionic, the Atrix (ATT Only) appears to be the same phone, except the Atrix can dock into a "laptop" ("laptop" because the device is useless without the phone). Depending on how much the "laptop" dock costs, and depending on how often you travel away from home, it could be a pretty sweet combo.
With the bionic only having 512 MB of RAM, I'm definitely jealous of the Atrix. I probably wouldn't ever leave VZW though.
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Yeah I'm aware of the Atrix.. and it's still a good option for me.
However, it has 5MP camera VS Bionic's 8MP, and 4" screen vs Bionic's 4.3".
Two things that I actually like and use =(
DVS69 said:
Looking at the specs the Bionic appears to be a BIG let down!!! With VZW supposedly having the"best" Motorola products in the droid line up the Atrix is a much better device than the Bionic & HTC's ThunderBolt seems to be in a league of it's own!!!
Now that VZW has changed the game getting the iPhone let's see what Apple & VZW come up with for the 4G LTE iPhone (better be more impressive than Motorola & the Bionic)
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Sorry, but I completely disagree. Bionic is, imo, the best among the three, closely followed by Atrix. Thunderbolt is kinda bad.
Look here for full comparison: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...-BIONIC,HTC-ThunderBolt/phones/4982,5122,4985
Notice the now crappy and underwhelming 480x800 screen res, a ****ty 1400MAH battery and a standard 1GHzz Snapdragon. Thunderbold is a whole generation below Atrix and Bionic. Also much-lower 8GB storage, NO HDMI port... The only thing it has going for it is 1.3MP front camera.
Bionic, imo, is the best here. Imo, there isn't really much difference between half-gig ram and gig ram, from user's perspective. Can't imagine filling that up on a cell phone.
On the other hand, Bionic provides 8MP camera and 4.3" screen. The only thing that scares me is the "SGPS", which is a non-Assisted GPS, as I understand it. Unless info is wrong.
Just my thoughts, don't mean to start a spec war here.

It may be here soon....The Note

Engadget has a great teaser up today for those of us in the US awaiting the AT&T release
I don't understand... how is this any more significant than it going through the FCC the first time (back in September)? The only difference seems to be that it now has a slightly ammended model#.
I see it as progress, that htye have renumbered it. Hopefully in the first quarter, second quarter would be ok, too.....I can wait
GTFO with that kind of news. It is depressing to read that from a T-Mobile perspective!
The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries
Damn, looks like we'll have to wait even longer for the LTE version.
Boo... I was sick of waiting so I got the GSII. If it comes out in like 2 1/2 weeks then I will eat the 35$ restocking fee... but I dont see that happening. Oh well, guess Ill just stick with a slightly less awesome phone
Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.
I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?
I was hoping this was gonna be news about ICS Oh well, I am having fun playing with my galaxy note now
A few things to note here.
1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
I don't get the thinking with using an older generation Adreno 205 with a monstrous 5.3" 1280x800 rez phone?? That's like throwing a Ford Escort engine under the hood of a Hummer body (alright, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but still... For a screen/rez on the Note, it seems you'd want the best possible GPU driving it).
The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries
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Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?
This is great news only if AT&T puts the Note in their system. Big question is is it a tablet or a phone AT&T must be having real problems figuring this out! What will happen if they put this in their system, will a European version then show up and be able to get an APN automatically downloaded to the phone?
I really hope they figure out how to keep the Exynos and not drop in the Snapdragon to enable LTE compatibility. The original GS2 is just so much snappier than the Snapdragon Skyrocket.
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Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.
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exactly what I was thinking
Namuna said:
Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?
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I think Korea uses CDMA 1700/2100 bands.
n25philly said:
I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?
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Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
Namuna said:
1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
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My fear of an eventual AT&T release being LTE (and therefore getting slower hardware) is why I went ahead and ordered an international version (before today, not realizing that AT&T would release a non LTE version). I'd love to have LTE, but not at the expense of the slower hardware.
Its AT&T, enjoy your anal plundering... and still ranked WORST of the carriers in customer satisfaction...
TMobile, or Verizon and ill Pre order the thing (oh, and sans the ****ty snapdragon)
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Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone? Then again going out of your way to not have customers seems to make sense in the cell phone business for some reason.
I have been perfectly happy with AT&T for many, many years (I predate the Cingular years, back to original AT&T). I don't care about 4G or LTE, I just want the Note in my hands sooner rather than later. I certainly hope they class it as a phone, if they don't, then I'll bitterly move onto the SGS II or whatever snazzy new phone is out at that time.
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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone?
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Seems to me that Tmobile would have to be interested in carrying it for Samsung to be intersted in making it. Samsung can't count on a significant number of Tmobile customers buying an already niche phone unsubsidized.

Note coming to AT&T with LTE, without Exynos

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-to-ditch-exynos-sport-4g-lte/
Jeesh, you are on it, I just read this 5 minutes before deterring your thread.
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Jeesh, you are on it, I just read this 5 minutes before deterring your thread.
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I'm excited for this phone. It's the perfect upgrade from my Dell Streak.
Wow I ordered one from the UK hours before this story lol. But since AT&T nerfed the processor, I'm not too bummed, and they don't have LTE in Seattle. Also, I have a Streak now too, and saw how AT&T dragged their feet on updates compared to the UK version, so I don't regret my decision
Still, good to hear this.
Can we just assume we'll also get HSPA+?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-to-ditch-exynos-sport-4g-lte/
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rumor, not official new.
roperband said:
Can we just assume we'll also get HSPA+?
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If this pans out, then yes. It has the same LTE/HSPA+ chipset as the Skyrocket.
Nothing new, just the same speculation as ever. Just a different source speculating this time.
I've been strongly opinionated in other threads, suggesting it's unlikely AT&T will release the Note, but I will gladly eat my words if they do release it. I've had little faith in the few other articles people've posted, but Engadget's a little more believable.
I'd love for an LTE version. I really, REALLY wish there were some way to implement LTE without switching from the exynos processor to the qualcrap. And it's criminal the way AT&T insists on removing hardware home buttons and replacing with the strip of 4 capacitive buttons! Why! That's a completely unnecessary downgrade!
If they release an LTE model and it's 1.5 GHz qualcomm with 4 capacitive buttons instead of the current physical home button model, I'll seriously have a hard time choosing between it and my current (awesome) international version. I'll have to give LTE a try to see if it's worth the sacrifices.
I wish the international version came with NFC so I can try out that android beam on ICS when it comes out
Man I couldn't imagine waiting on AT&T fail version until 2012. Glad I get to enjoy my non nerfed one right now. Grand theft auto 3 runs smooth as butter on this Exynos.
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No Exynos, no thanks. I'll keep the international version.
there goes AT&T again screwing over a good phone...
just get a ****rocket it only has a smaller screen...
save your cash, get international version, get straight talk, save $70 a month, screw at&t
Man I couldn't imagine waiting on AT&T fail version until 2012. Glad I get to enjoy my non nerfed one right now. Grand theft auto 3 runs smooth as butter on this Exynos.
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Yeah..totally screw up!! I have sensation which use msm8660..compare to my galaxy note exynos, my sensation is slow as hell!! But i still in love with sensation due to its sence
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I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but what does everyone expect them to do? Their network is overcrowded. Getting some of their customers offloaded to their LTE bandwidth will only help. It's not their fault that Qualcomm currently has the only chipset capable of LTE. You can make a choice: slightly better processor performance and battery life, or faster download speeds. But regardless, AT&T releasing their new phones in LTE is best for everyone. Even those of us who don't have LTE phones could benefit if their 3G network gets a little relief as other customers move to LTE.
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I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but what does everyone expect them to do? Their network is overcrowded. Getting some of their customers offloaded to their LTE bandwidth will only help. It's not their fault that Qualcomm currently has the only chipset capable of LTE. You can make a choice: slightly better processor performance and battery life, or faster download speeds. But regardless, AT&T releasing their new phones in LTE is best for everyone. Even those of us who don't have LTE phones could benefit if their 3G network gets a little relief as other customers move to LTE.
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There's nothing wrong with the performance of the Qualcomm LTE-capable chipset. It works fine in my wife's Skyrocket. The only "issue" is that it doesn't benchmark as high as the Exynos for the fanboys who have never seen or used it in person. Maybe Samsung should get off its @zz and make an LTE-capable Exynos chipset to satisfy them.
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There's nothing wrong with the performance of the Qualcomm LTE-capable chipset.
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I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said slightly better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date.
That settles it, I'm going to pull the trigger on the international version.
Anyone wanna buy the AT&T iPhone 4s that I'm going to buy and resell to offset the cost? (black or white, your choice!) ;-)
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I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said slightly better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date.
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That comment wasn't directed at you. There were a few ridiculous posts above. And "smoothness" is all user perception. IMO, it's a bit of a crutch used to elevate one device over another when there's nothing else to criticize. I think the vast majority of people complaining about these things on the forums have never held/compared both devices in person - they're strictly going off Quadrant scores and repeating what others have said.
That said, I think the HSPA+/LTE Note will be out on AT&T in January - I don't think we'll be waiting that long for it.
I prefer the four capacitive buttons, but am bummed about the change in processor. I'd rather have the Exynos than LTE.

Should I buy unlocked play

I'm looking to buy a new phone that's different I have had galaxy nexus and note I can get it for 150 should I do it I like flashing roms and buying accessories let me know if it's worth it is there any of development or a bunch of roms developers abandoned and are the good accessories like docks hdmi out PlayStation 3 remote support just anything with knowing I like p liked the phone I literally had it for a day and sold it to a friend and regretted do please your input is greatly appreciated
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No, you should buy a locked Play, the R800at AT&T version, then unlock its sim and bootloader. The R800i version does not get 3G on ATT nor TMobile, I clarified this here. All R800i roms work with the R800at.
The performance is pretty bad compared to newer phones, even ICS and JB will not run very well on it. But Gingerbread is pretty smooth and if you like gaming then its a no brainer. It might have problem with some of the more demanding 3D games which might need overclocking, but most can run without issues.
The Play do not have HDMI out.
The difference from this Sony phone compared to Samsung phones is flashing the rom doesn't flash the kernel, you'll have to use fastboot to flash the kernel separately for the rom to boot. Since you have a Nexus, you're familiar with the process.
I currently am with Verizon and my contract ends in 3 weeks an I bought a Xperia PLAY (AT&T) model and unlocked it... already tested with a Tmo sim and works great. Currently though depending where you live you will only get 2G (edge) with an unlocked ATT phone on Tmo.
So roms are crappy but games are good and stay away from international version
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No but it's just the limitation of the hardware, but some people are fine with using ICS, it depends on who you ask.

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