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Samsung Epic 4G GSM Version in Europe?

Hi,
does anybody have information about availability of this wonderful querty device in europe?

Considering what Samsung did with the Galaxy in Europe (what a crap!), I would be very upset to not see a GSM version.
Anyway i haven't heard nothing about a GSM version.
What i know is that Samsung did several version of the Galaxy S with different name.
And if I'm not mistaken, in Europe, is suspect that we will only see the Galaxy S, wich i hate.

velenox said:
Considering what Samsung did with the Galaxy in Europe (what a crap!)
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Ummm, what exactly?

Not sure where I saw it but in one of the reviews of the Epic 4G the author pointed out an empty fully functional SIM card slot next to the memory slot and pondered why it had the SIM slot.
Is it true that the shipping model will actually have that sim slot?

Knowing Sprint, it'll be the same situation we had with the PPC-6700... our phones will have a plastic sticker over an empty cavity where the CSIM slot is supposed to be, then after we've moved on someone will buy up Sprint's remaining stock for a pittance, pay workers to hand-solder CSIM sockets into them, and sell them in some other country for 10x as much money.
If my Epic4G arrives with a real CSIM card in it, I'll be celebrating for a year ;-)
For anyone who doesn't know, CSIM is the latest revision of R-UIM, which is itself a superset of GSM SIM. CSIM is also (an optional?) part of the USIM standard.

Um? Maybe? Its called a Galaxy S Pro. But no, you won't get the Epic 4G in Europe... Europe doesn't use Wimax... or CDMA... so this will be as useful as a phone as an ipod touch. You may get a varient which will look different (probably more like the original Galaxy S as I've seen mockups of that with a keyboard).

Umm if the Epic 4G doesn't get a variant (plz plz same specs) with a GSM module instead of CDMA it would be very stupid of Samsung.
It would make sense to do so since there are several variants and international versions of the Galaxy S, and this is like the head of the Galaxy S family.
But something tells me Samsung will not outs the Epic 4G with a GSM, and I wish to god that I'm wrong OR that Samsung will release it with the exact specs but without the 4G antennae .... which will also be very aweful considering that 4G will be available in the near-future in Australia (and there is proof for it like 3G prices are crashing).
I want my GSM Samsung Epic 4G here in Aust!!!!!

Yea I'm not really sure why people ask if they will get certain phones in Europe. Not that it doesn't happen but certain phones are made exclusive. That's why it's called the epic 4G!
That's why it's different from all the other galaxy s phones. if europe did get this it would be 4gless and just a galaxy s with a keyboard. but i highly doubt because they would of announced this already. would it be cool? sure but i highly doubt. not every phone can be duplicated. it's a reason for every device.

I'd say just give it some time. It should be out.
The Samsung Wave (Bada phone) had a slide out qwerty keyboard about 4-5 months after the candy bar style phone came out.

Is this Vibrant the same as Bell's?

Just wondering if this T Mobile Vibrant is the same as far as rooting and flashing goes as the version Bell will be launching soon in Canada?
Thanks

Bump, anyone know?

To my knowledge, no it isn't. It seems like it will be the same (or atleast look the same) as the euro galaxy S

biggest consideration is to check what frequencies your carrier uses ie is it GSM or CDMA, and for 3g Data what freqs
the tmobile is GSM and for 3G Tmo uses the AWS IV band, ie 1700/2100, and it has to be both of those if you were bringing a european phone here to the USA to use on tmobile - tmobile europe only uses 2100 for 3G, no 1700
as the 2100 is the download side i figured i could live without 3g upload speed but just before pulling the trigger on a european tmobile HTC Desire i found out that if the phone didn't have both sides, ie both 1700 for upload and 2100 for download, tmo's network would hold the phone to 2G or EDGE data speeds
so best bet is to first identify Bell's freqs - and you can do that on the web -
hope that helps some

Thanks, Bell's network is 850/1900. Same as AT&T but it doesn't look anything like the Captivate. Too many models of the same phone... too confusing...

I wouldn't be concerned with looks, in fact to me (i own a vibrant) i like the captivate case better - that report endgadget.com had on the two (vibrant/captivate) liked the way the captivate's case released in the back
the vibrant you have to pop the caseback with your fingernail - its secure but kind of a chintzy way to do it, especially when the capitvate has a nice pull and release mechanism
and the rear surface has some texture for a little better grip

A Dustman said:
Thanks, Bell's network is 850/1900. Same as AT&T but it doesn't look anything like the Captivate. Too many models of the same phone... too confusing...
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My guess is the standard Galaxy S form factor is a little too much like the iPhone for AT&T's taste, so they wanted one that looks different. They don't want to piss off Apple, their goose that lays the golden eggs.
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant

I've got my crystal ball tuned up...
Bell gets a unit that looks exactly like the US T-Mobile Vibrant, otherwise they wouldn't have called it that. With the AWS/2100 replaced with 850/1900, and same as the T-Mo, no FFC. Bell gets the first Canadian unit, so they got that going on for "cool factor". I'm like 95.9% sure of this.
Based on the posters for the launch party, Telus gets an GSM Epic. That makes a lot of sense, especially since they're releasing the LCD Desire very shortly...the thicker, less sleek Epic would not be in the same category, and they wouldn't have went to the expense of getting the Desire if they were getting regular non-keyboard Galaxy S variant, and vice versa. I'm about 75% sure of this.
A Telus Epic would also make a great replacement for the aging Milestone, which is now out of production, with the GSM Milestone 2 probably still months off.
Rogers gets an unknown unit. I'd lean towards them getting the Captivate style, except for the whole AT&T exclusive lock on the unit, September release of the same unit that works on the same bands seems a little soon for AT&T to give up on the exclusivity costs.
But Rogers needs something to bring to the table that's different than Bell or Telus, so they may get a GSM Fascinate (complete with camera flash). The timing matches the Verizon release window as well, and both may be waiting on Samsung to get these into full production. They may also get the Euro model complete with FFC and big home button, Rogers has a history of supporting video calling. Whatever version they release, it will most likely ship with Froyo in the box.
To confuse the Rogers matter more, the rumor in the SIM unlocking circles is that the AT&T Captivate codes won't be available until October. If Rogers ships a Captivate version of it in September, with the same name, then AT&T will start releasing SIM codes to those that ask, because it's no longer exclusivity-locked.
I'm 33% on each of the Rogers options (Captivate, Fascinate, "pure" Galaxy S)
But it's all guesswork.

That's a pretty interesting theory you have there, and it makes sense too.
Has anyone gotten any of these Galaxy S models sim unlocked yet?

Croak said:
I've got my crystal ball tuned up...
Bell gets a unit that looks exactly like the US T-Mobile Vibrant, otherwise they wouldn't have called it that. With the AWS/2100 replaced with 850/1900, and same as the T-Mo, no FFC. Bell gets the first Canadian unit, so they got that going on for "cool factor". I'm like 95.9% sure of this.
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This is the only part of your comment that I think I will argue with. I think the bell version will look identical to the european one. Why do I think so? Two reasons my dear watson,
A.) www . youtube.com/watch?=8QSl8FyhjJE&feature=player_embedded
This video which I believe is correct. (and I think I saw another video that was just a hands on in a small room filled with guys in suits and the one reviewer.
B.) The Samsung Canada page for this device: www . samsung.com/ca/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/all-phones/GT-I9000HKABMC/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
P.S. I've also heard of rumours of Rogers coming out with a galaxy S device, and Furthermore, supposedly the release date for the Bell Galaxy S will be August 6th

Make up your mind samsung! Tmobile

OK, there's always an international galaxy s (I,II) and variants both regional, and united-states.
There's gonna be 3 variants AT&T Attain, Verizon Function and Sprint Within that seem to share the same form-factor.. though both Verizon and Sprint are cdma... whilst AT&T is gsm.. then there's no mobile announced for T-mobile..
http://androidcommunity.com/us-gala...-verizon-function-and-sprint-within-20110516/
Now we have this super-mega-variant for T-mobile.
"Samsung Hercules"
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/
4.5-inch 480 x 800 Super AMOLED Plus display
Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
NFC support, though compatibility with the forthcoming ISIS mobile payment standard is “to be determined”
Category 24 HSDPA (42Mbps) and Category 6 HSUPA (5.76Mbps) for extremely fast HSPA+ support — faster than any HSPA+ phone currently sold in the US
AWS plus 850 / 1900MHz compatibility for support on AT&T’s “4G” network if the merger succeeds
Preliminary measurements place it at 5.16 x 2.76 x 0.37 inches — within a few hundredths of an inch of the Infuse
16GB internal ROM, 1GB internal RAM, external microSD up to 32GB
Here’s where it outdoes the Infuse: it’s quoted with a Qualcomm 1.2GHz dual-core APQ8060 application processor, which is extraordinarily unusual for a Samsung — particularly considering the availability of Samsung’s own multi-core Exynos line; it’s paired with an MDM8220 modem processor
8 megapixel primary camera with flash and 1080p video capture, secondary front-facing camera
Like the Galaxy S II, the Hercules won’t have a dedicated HDMI port — it’ll move high-def video over Micro USB using MHL
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Total outcome? International nfc-less model, 3 variants with possibly different software due to radio cdma/gsm, and one super-variant for t-mobile compatible with AT&T but with a different chipset, and a bigger screen!
This is such a headache!
Why can't samsung keep it simple, and have a mix cdma/gsm/lte chip with different design. Not different chipsets, software, and what not.. this is starting to look like a nightmare in terms of porting roms.

I know the answer. Carriers want their own exclusive phone.
Samsung should just say "nah". There's only a need for ONE phone, the SGS2. None of this Captivate/vibrant/Fascinate/blah naming. An SGS2. That is all.
Unfortunately, money tends to speak for these sorts of things, so I doubt this will change. Networks enjoy crippling capable handsets, taking 16GB internal storage, and making it 2GB, so they can sell more SD cards to clients who don't know about shopping around and Amazon...
Words fail me sometimes with Samsung...

WFT!!
I can't understand why Samsung does not say "take it or leave it". It's not a small company and I am pretty sure none of the US carriers could even dream of matching the financial muscle of Sammy (you can forget about the Samsung conglumerate, just talking about Samsung electronics). It's time for Sammy to flex it's muscle.

The problem is US networks are retarded and built not to work like the rest of the world. Verizon and Sprint use CDMA, so the Int'l. SGS2 won't work on them, hence the Function and Within. The other 2 GSM networks have different frequencies, so Sammy has 2 make 2 different phones for those 2 too. It's not a "take it or leave it" issue because even if they "took it" the phone wouldn't work properly anyway

Actually the Galaxy S2 works on ATT without any need to change anything....I'm using it now.
I think ATT should get the Galaxy S 2 before any other U.S. carrier because there is less work needed to be done to it to please ATT's customers......pleasing ATT is another story.

rd_nest said:
I can't understand why Samsung does not say "take it or leave it". It's not a small company and I am pretty sure none of the US carriers could even dream of matching the financial muscle of Sammy (you can forget about the Samsung conglumerate, just talking about Samsung electronics). It's time for Sammy to flex it's muscle.
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Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.

Why are you blaming Samsung for the stupidity of the American providers? Isn't it them who wants Samsung to create phones specific for them?

Vulpix said:
Why are you blaming Samsung for the stupidity of the American providers? Isn't it them who wants Samsung to create phones specific for them?
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Yup and then you have all the retarded American idiots moaning on blogs/websites that they get slower updates then anyone else.
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KingKuba13 said:
Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.
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are you sure? is this just one division of samsung?

KingKuba13 said:
Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.
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This is indeed true, about the market cap, 184 for AT&T vs 132 for Samsung. Wait, it is Billions vs Trillions. Oh, USD vs Won. Duh
So $184B vs $121B , AT&T wins

T-Mobile probably requested something crazy good like this "Hercules" as a marketing tactic. Similar to their new program of trading in old phones, no matter who the service providor of the phone is, for new phones and upgrades with T-Mobile. All in an attempt to bring back some of the declining numbers to T-Mobile.
My guess is they (T-Mo) particularly asked for an outragiously nice phone like the Hercules, also in an attempt to grab a bunch of people back to T-Mo. Chances are, maybe they're trying to see if they can prove they can keep or grow their numbers, then they may not sell out to AT&T..?
All this is theory of course. But why else would T-Mo ask for such a beast of a phone if it was a certainty that they were being bought out? This could possibly be T-Mobile's final stand to prove themselves before giving up.
I mean cmon, if I wasnt with T-mo, I'd freaking switch for a phone like this! blazing internet, awesome customer service, and the absolute best phone on the market! Who wouldnt want that??

lol..lets just hope that the battery capacity is higher than the SGS2!

This is precisely why I went with ever SGS2 on AT&T's network over waiting for a crippled version that gets no updates, because of carrier approval on top of Samsungs customizations.
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Finally a Tmobile model!
This is a fantastic... it's about time we heard some news for Tmobile USA
unfortunately the 4.5" is kinda huge... i changed to a 4.0" from a 5.0" device because it was not pants front pocket friendly
and now going back to 4.5" seems a bit like swimming against the river
but, hell i dig all the other specs, i can make an exception for the 4.5 as long as it's thin like the SGS2 (insert model name here)
Bowsa2511 said:
OK, there's always an international galaxy s (I,II) and variants both regional, and united-states.
There's gonna be 3 variants AT&T Attain, Verizon Function and Sprint Within that seem to share the same form-factor.. though both Verizon and Sprint are cdma... whilst AT&T is gsm.. then there's no mobile announced for T-mobile..
http://androidcommunity.com/us-gala...-verizon-function-and-sprint-within-20110516/
Now we have this super-mega-variant for T-mobile.
"Samsung Hercules"
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/unannounced-samsung-hercules-headed-to-t-mobile-bearing-godli/
Total outcome? International nfc-less model, 3 variants with possibly different software due to radio cdma/gsm, and one super-variant for t-mobile compatible with AT&T but with a different chipset, and a bigger screen!
This is such a headache!
Why can't samsung keep it simple, and have a mix cdma/gsm/lte chip with different design. Not different chipsets, software, and what not.. this is starting to look like a nightmare in terms of porting roms.
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ankushkatari said:
lol..lets just hope that the battery capacity is higher than the SGS2!
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if its anything like the Infuse then my guess would be yes, much better battery. I mean the battery on the Infuse 4g is pretty sick!
estimated nearly 9 hours of talk time?? boo yahhh I'll take it!

i'm not so sure about that a 4.5" screen will such more juice than a 4.3" screen

AllGamer said:
i'm not so sure about that a 4.5" screen will such more juice than a 4.3" screen
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this is true buttttt the SGSii has a 1650 mAh battery while the Infuse4g has a1760 mAh battery.
the Infuse 4g was estimated at 8 hours and 50 minutes.
So I'd hope that the Hercules would be the same =)

kreoXDA said:
This is indeed true, about the market cap, 184 for AT&T vs 132 for Samsung. Wait, it is Billions vs Trillions. Oh, USD vs Won. Duh
So $184B vs $121B , AT&T wins
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Samsung Electronics, which is their phone division. The whole company, Samsung, has to make MUCH more money. You would have to look up all their divisions and add all the money up.

KingKuba13 said:
Actually At&t has a higher market capital than Samsung.
Maybe even double.
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...you certainty don't know Samsung then. Samsung is much bigger than just a mobile phone company.
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dk206 said:
...you certainty don't know Samsung then. Samsung is much bigger than just a mobile phone company.
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Well to be honest, AT&T isnt just a cell providor either. Going by gross revenue, AT&T is one of the largest. And yes, it is above Samsung. Dont get me wrong, Samsung is large, but AT&T has their hands in waayyyy too many things.
Like for instance, the whole reason why the T-Mobile and AT&T merger might actually get approved (even though it is completely and obviously a monopoly over GSM phone service in the US). Alot of the representatives in the FCC were funded for their campaigns by AT&T.
AT&T is very powerful and we all know how many companies they've swallowed up...
like for instance SBC, TCI, Western Electric, Audion, NCR corp, McCaw Communications, Alascom, Media One, Olivetti and Oracle Research, IBM's Global Network division, Bell Systems (22 separate companies), and so on.
JD Power and Associates rated AT&T the leading cable tv, internet, and voip providor for the past 4 years straight since starting "U-Verse" which started 4 years ago.
Samsung hasnt done anything close to that.
AT&T is just money hungry, monopoly loving bastards haha.

It may be here soon....The Note

Engadget has a great teaser up today for those of us in the US awaiting the AT&T release

I don't understand... how is this any more significant than it going through the FCC the first time (back in September)? The only difference seems to be that it now has a slightly ammended model#.

I see it as progress, that htye have renumbered it. Hopefully in the first quarter, second quarter would be ok, too.....I can wait

GTFO with that kind of news. It is depressing to read that from a T-Mobile perspective!

The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries

Damn, looks like we'll have to wait even longer for the LTE version.

Boo... I was sick of waiting so I got the GSII. If it comes out in like 2 1/2 weeks then I will eat the 35$ restocking fee... but I dont see that happening. Oh well, guess Ill just stick with a slightly less awesome phone

Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.

I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?

I was hoping this was gonna be news about ICS Oh well, I am having fun playing with my galaxy note now

A few things to note here.
1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
I don't get the thinking with using an older generation Adreno 205 with a monstrous 5.3" 1280x800 rez phone?? That's like throwing a Ford Escort engine under the hood of a Hummer body (alright, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but still... For a screen/rez on the Note, it seems you'd want the best possible GPU driving it).
The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries
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Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?

This is great news only if AT&T puts the Note in their system. Big question is is it a tablet or a phone AT&T must be having real problems figuring this out! What will happen if they put this in their system, will a European version then show up and be able to get an APN automatically downloaded to the phone?

I really hope they figure out how to keep the Exynos and not drop in the Snapdragon to enable LTE compatibility. The original GS2 is just so much snappier than the Snapdragon Skyrocket.

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Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.
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exactly what I was thinking

Namuna said:
Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?
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I think Korea uses CDMA 1700/2100 bands.

n25philly said:
I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?
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Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
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1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
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My fear of an eventual AT&T release being LTE (and therefore getting slower hardware) is why I went ahead and ordered an international version (before today, not realizing that AT&T would release a non LTE version). I'd love to have LTE, but not at the expense of the slower hardware.

Its AT&T, enjoy your anal plundering... and still ranked WORST of the carriers in customer satisfaction...
TMobile, or Verizon and ill Pre order the thing (oh, and sans the ****ty snapdragon)

dscline said:
Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone? Then again going out of your way to not have customers seems to make sense in the cell phone business for some reason.

I have been perfectly happy with AT&T for many, many years (I predate the Cingular years, back to original AT&T). I don't care about 4G or LTE, I just want the Note in my hands sooner rather than later. I certainly hope they class it as a phone, if they don't, then I'll bitterly move onto the SGS II or whatever snazzy new phone is out at that time.

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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone?
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Seems to me that Tmobile would have to be interested in carrying it for Samsung to be intersted in making it. Samsung can't count on a significant number of Tmobile customers buying an already niche phone unsubsidized.

Hands on an ATT Note

I checked to see if anyone had posted this but didnt notice any other threads. A guy over at the skyrocket forum got his hands on an ATT note to take some pics and run some benchmarks. Im satisfied with the results and will be picking up on launch day. Please dont make this thread, "Oh my exynos is better than your snapdragon" yeah we know. And your house is bigger, wife is hotter, car is faster, and your... Ill stop there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462622

imitenotbecrazy said:
I checked to see if anyone had posted this but didnt notice any other threads. A guy over at the skyrocket forum got his hands on an ATT note to take some pics and run some benchmarks. Im satisfied with the results and will be picking up on launch day. Please dont make this thread, "Oh my exynos is better than your snapdragon" yeah we know. And your house is bigger, wife is hotter, car is faster, and your... Ill stop there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462622
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Thanks for sharing this! After my experience with the whole GS2, Skyrocket arguments (I tested both well prior to release, and we all knowthe drama between the two) I didn't really want to stir anything up in here haha.
I have no first hand experience with the overseas version so I wouldn't dare to compare them.
I looked for a Att specific subforum but it seems they have not created one yet.
This guy is a good friend of mine, so if there are any other tests etc that people want me to run just let me know and I will do my best to do so.

My Exynos is better than your Snapdragon.
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And your house is bigger, wife is hotter, car is faster...
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You've met my wife? Oh, and how did you know I put a turbocharger in my car? Most people can't tell off the track (and the engine is loud enough to keep you from hearing it spin up.)
Seriously, though, I'd be more concerned about having an AT&T locked phone than the Snapdragon processor. To take the processor out the equation, compare the GSII (i9100) to the AT&T version (i777) of the same phone. Same processor in both.
The AT&T version's radio is missing an entire band, the updates from at&t/samsung are lacking, etc. The i9100 already has an announced date of ICS for Q1, while at&t/samsung might never release ICS for the i777 (of course, the community will port it over from the i9100 once the sound driver and keypad issues are resolved, but that's not the point.)
I live in the US, and my carrier is AT&T. Today, I ordered the N7000. If AT&T's version also had an exynos and was available today, I'd still have ordered the N7000. The carrier already has me in thrall for wireless service - I don't want them ruining my phone as well.
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Well said.
But isn't rooting and porting why most of us are here anyway?
Like I said above ...I have not tried to compare the two nor do I care to as I won't get either. If one does import the n7000 do they get lte in the us?
garyd9 said:
You've met my wife? Oh, and how did you know I put a turbocharger in my car? Most people can't tell off the track (and the engine is loud enough to keep you from hearing it spin up.)
Seriously, though, I'd be more concerned about having an AT&T locked phone than the Snapdragon processor. To take the processor out the equation, compare the GSII (i9100) to the AT&T version (i777) of the same phone. Same processor in both.
The AT&T version's radio is missing an entire band, the updates from at&t/samsung are lacking, etc. The i9100 already has an announced date of ICS for Q1, while at&t/samsung might never release ICS for the i777 (of course, the community will port it over from the i9100 once the sound driver and keypad issues are resolved, but that's not the point.)
I live in the US, and my carrier is AT&T. Today, I ordered the N7000. If AT&T's version also had an exynos and was available today, I'd still have ordered the N7000. The carrier already has me in thrall for wireless service - I don't want them ruining my phone as well.
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garyd9 said:
You've met my wife? Oh, and how did you know I put a turbocharger in my car? Most people can't tell off the track (and the engine is loud enough to keep you from hearing it spin up.)
Seriously, though, I'd be more concerned about having an AT&T locked phone than the Snapdragon processor. To take the processor out the equation, compare the GSII (i9100) to the AT&T version (i777) of the same phone. Same processor in both.
The AT&T version's radio is missing an entire band, the updates from at&t/samsung are lacking, etc. The i9100 already has an announced date of ICS for Q1, while at&t/samsung might never release ICS for the i777 (of course, the community will port it over from the i9100 once the sound driver and keypad issues are resolved, but that's not the point.)
I live in the US, and my carrier is AT&T. Today, I ordered the N7000. If AT&T's version also had an exynos and was available today, I'd still have ordered the N7000. The carrier already has me in thrall for wireless service - I don't want them ruining my phone as well.
Take care
Gary
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Haha mmmmm turbo.
I definitely agree that the restrictions/unnecessary additions ATT puts on their phones sucks (Ive ran Rogers roms for the last couple phones I've had) it really is just more of a continence thing for me. I work for best buy so I get a pretty good discount on phones and also just trade in or have my current phone serviced so I rarely pay for a phone. I also break phones pretty often (too much partying) so having a local and reliable warranty (again best buy) is huge to me
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00mred00 said:
But isn't rooting and porting why most of us are here anyway?
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Perhaps, but the AT&T versions of phones tend to have hardware incompatibilities with other phones. For example, the sound libs on the i777 aren't compatible with the i9100. Unless AT&T decides to let samsung do an ICS version for the i777, the i777 may never have optimal audio. The folks working on porting CM9 to the i777 are basically having to start from scratch to write a new driver for the audio libs... not an easy task. Similar idea for the keypad support.
Like I said above ...I have not tried to compare the two nor do I care to as I won't get either. If one does import the n7000 do they get lte in the us?
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No. The N7000 lacks any LTE compatible radio. Of course, unless you live in one of only a dozen specific cities, you don't get LTE anyway. AT&T is pushing LTE phones for all it's worth, but doesn't seem to be putting the same effort into making LTE service available. One should also weigh the downfall of current LTE phones as well: battery life. If the AT&T variant of the note has the same size battery, expect the battery life to be somewhere between 20% (if the LTE radio is in use) and 80% (if there's no LTE signal) of the normal note. (This is purely a guess on my part based on my experience with the AT&T SII Skyrocket compared to the AT&T SII)
On the other hand, the N7000 (unlike any AT&T specific variant) will work on the other US GSM provider (tmobile.)
Yes, there are differences between the exynos and snapdragon S3. They've been beaten to death in other forums many times over. Exynos is usually faster, clock for clock, than the other currently available chips. HOWEVER, it doesn't support the newest generation of wireless radios (LTE.) It has other flaws as well (such as the long time to come out of suspend.)
I guess it comes down to this (in regards to the Note): If you use AT&T as a carrier, don't mind an AT&T hobbled phone (or can work around it) and LTE is very important (and available) to you, get the AT&T version. Otherwise, do some serious research before deciding - you might decide that spending the extra money for an unlocked phone (with no warranty) is worthwhile.
Does anyone know if AT&T has announced ICS plans for their version of the Note? (Preferably something more specific than their skyrocket announcement - which was only that the i727 would get it eventually...)
Take care
Gary

Sorry but the Note doesn't work on T-Mobile. Unless you count awful, slow 2g.
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Hell they never give any concrete info regarding updates. The guys at Samsung here in Dallas claim it's Att and not them.
I am slightly biased on Att since I live in a strong LTE market. I was pretty certain they have been rolling out at least three cities a month since about November but I don't watch it ..I already have it haha.
I looked at the i9000 back before I even knew about the skyrocket and really regret not picking up one I found in a local resale shop...I was all set to buy the US version when I found out about the skyrocket and after testing LTE I had to have it.
It really is a case by case basis. If I didn't have LTE I really wouldn't care for the Skyrocket or any other LTE device like you pointed out.
Another bias I have is pricing. Utilizing multiple lines (6), rotating upgrades, and taking advantage of best buy's buy back program I don't actually pay anything for my phones haha
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Perhaps, but the AT&T versions of phones tend to have hardware incompatibilities with other phones. For example, the sound libs on the i777 aren't compatible with the i9100. Unless AT&T decides to let samsung do an ICS version for the i777, the i777 may never have optimal audio. The folks working on porting CM9 to the i777 are basically having to start from scratch to write a new driver for the audio libs... not an easy task. Similar idea for the keypad support.No. The N7000 lacks any LTE compatible radio. Of course, unless you live in one of only a dozen specific cities, you don't get LTE anyway. AT&T is pushing LTE phones for all it's worth, but doesn't seem to be putting the same effort into making LTE service available. One should also weigh the downfall of current LTE phones as well: battery life. If the AT&T variant of the note has the same size battery, expect the battery life to be somewhere between 20% (if the LTE radio is in use) and 80% (if there's no LTE signal) of the normal note. (This is purely a guess on my part based on my experience with the AT&T SII Skyrocket compared to the AT&T SII)
On the other hand, the N7000 (unlike any AT&T specific variant) will work on the other US GSM provider (tmobile.)
Yes, there are differences between the exynos and snapdragon S3. They've been beaten to death in other forums many times over. Exynos is usually faster, clock for clock, than the other currently available chips. HOWEVER, it doesn't support the newest generation of wireless radios (LTE.) It has other flaws as well (such as the long time to come out of suspend.)
I guess it comes down to this (in regards to the Note): If you use AT&T as a carrier, don't mind an AT&T hobbled phone (or can work around it) and LTE is very important (and available) to you, get the AT&T version. Otherwise, do some serious research before deciding - you might decide that spending the extra money for an unlocked phone (with no warranty) is worthwhile.
Does anyone know if AT&T has announced ICS plans for their version of the Note? (Preferably something more specific than their skyrocket announcement - which was only that the i727 would get it eventually...)
Take care
Gary
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What's the quadrant score on the att note?
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I did not run a quadrant no one seems to use it anymore. i will have him run one for ya though.
Click on the link in the first post for the other benchmarks
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What's the quadrant score on the att note?
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Hell they never give any concrete info regarding updates. The guys at Samsung here in Dallas claim it's Att and not them.
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I have to back up Samsung here. I have an International GNote with the CSC DBT, which is Germany (The first country to launch the GNote) and when I got my phone there was one update waiting as soon as I connected to wifi and I have had two others since then. I fully expect to get ICS before the ATT version. ATT is not the best with updates, that is not up for debate.

I'll be interested to see how the 'burn-in' or 'image persistence' problem will hit the Note's screen; it seems to be a pretty prevalent problem in the AMOLED screen type. Have you noticed any issues yet?

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I'll be interested to see how the 'burn-in' or 'image persistence' problem will hit the Note's screen; it seems to be a pretty prevalent problem in the AMOLED screen type. Have you noticed any issues yet?
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I have only seen this on one Samsung phone, and that was an Epic touch on display at Best Buy...
none of ours have shown any signs of this (yet)

Not to place too much emphasis on it, but the Exynos really does perform better than the Snapdragon. This isn't speculative; this is an honest side-by-side comparison. Before the Note, I had a GS-II Skyrocket; which has the same LTE-compatible 1.5GHz Snapdragon as the U.S./AT&T Note. Before I continue, I should point out that the Snapdragon actually overclocks quite well; and at 1.7GHz+, it actually outpaces the Exynos at 1.4GHz. However, the Exynos experience is better... Not faster... Better! For example, a few good Gameloft games will run effortlessly on a Snapdragon device. While others won't run at all. However, any Gameloft (or other 3D game) that won't run on an Exynos, will run on an Exynos with Chainfire and some light tweaking. On the other hand, Chainfire doesn't offer anything to Snapdragon users. It'll install... It'll run... But it won't let you play any additional games. In addition to this, there are a great deal of mods and tweaks which function across all Exynos devices. Because the Exynos is so widely used in international Samsung devices, it has a very large development community. When I had my Skyrocket (which is 99% identical to the T-Mobile GS-II), all anyone ever talked about was running T-Mobile GS-II ROMs on the Skyrocket and vice versa. Whereas Exynos development affects a good number of devices.
Again, not to overemphasize it, but the Exynos is better. When you throw in carrier branding and SIM locks, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Any notes on battery life?

Can anyone who has had hands-on time confirm that the ATT version has FM radio?

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When you throw in carrier branding and SIM locks, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
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If exynos, barrier branding and SIM locks were the only differences, it might very well be a no-brainer. There are MANY other issues, however. Including, but not limited to, LTE, carrier support and warranty, local availability (in the US), contract pricing, etc.
My personal choice is for the N7000. UPS should be delivering it "any minute now." For others, as has been expressed several times over, there are other considerations.
Sure, my exynos will be faster than their snapdragon. However, if they live in an LTE area, their data speeds will make my exynos-based phone look like an old 110 baud dial-up modem. As well, if my phone breaks, I'm going to be pressed to get it fixed/replaced. AT&T will let you bring it into a store or will cross-ship a replacement. For free.
Gary

Well, you're entitled to your opinion; but as far as network speed goes, AT&T LTE is a joke. I have used AT&T LTE & HSPA+, and HSPA+ is more consistent and more widely available; even if I got up to 20Mbps on LTE. And I average 8-10Mbps on HSPA+. You can call that slow all you want, but we all know better.
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Agreed....LTE speedtests out of this world but realworld tests are not significantly faster.
I've had my Hspa+ (mine's identified by ATT as a Skyrocket) Note (overclocked to 1600) side by side with a cache cleared LTE skyrocket, both with excellent signals, and just downloaded graphic heavy sites side by side...the difference was repeatedly literally negligable, in fact Note was faster more often.
Skyrocket kicks Notes ass on the speedtest tho.
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion; but as far as network speed goes, AT&T LTE is a joke. I have used AT&T LTE & HSPA+, and HSPA+ is more consistent and more widely available; even if I got up to 20Mbps on LTE. And I average 8-10Mbps on HSPA+. You can call that slow all you want, but we all know better.
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