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Rogers/Fido Canadian 3G frequency bands

Hello all,
I am posting this in the General forum as I believe it is a general question, although partly related to the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 phone. To make a long story short, I am trying to discover which exact frequencies Rogers/Fido uses for their 3G network.
I called Fido today and even the CSR couldn't give me a concrete answer. I would hope to find the real answer out as this will help people interested in using EU/ASIA phones in Canada.
For more information (and so I don't have to double-type), please check the post I made in the Xperia forums below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2745513&postcount=10
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).

scar45 said:
Hello all,
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).
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To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 850 for 3G, NOT 2100 (2100 is Japan and so on).
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
When they launched the 3G network, they went with 850.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
[edit] oops just read your thread.
These may be of help:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?referrerid=295219&t=1441969
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1259262-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless (claims 850MHz for 3G, no 1900)

Pseudo Nim said:
To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 2100 for 3G, so you are correct.
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
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I haven't actually got my hands on the X1 yet, as I really want to confirm as to whether or not I should get the X1i or X1a...I have been waiting forever and I'm tempted to risk getting the X1i (900/1900/2100mhz 3G), however I am not totally confident that it will work on the Rogers' 3G network.
You claim that Rogers and Fido both use 2100mhz for 3G, and if that is the case, then the X1i should work. I was under the impression that 2100mhz wasn't even used with Rogers, and it was a question of 850 or 1900mhz for 3G. Also, it would appear that Fido no longer has it's own towers, and they only use the Rogers' ones for now. Therefore, I don't believe there would be a difference between Fido or Rogers' actual GSM/3G service.
I'm not so much confused, but rather uninformed as to what frequenct the Rogers' 3G service uses. Whether it's a difference between 850/1900/2100, it would still be good to know if ALL are available in the Toronto area.
Hopefully more Canadians see this thread and can elaborate as to which exact frequency Rogers' 3G truly is.
Thanks for your input Pseudo Nim, it's greatly appreciated to get more info on this issue!
** EDIT ** - Here's what I found from the digitalhome.ca forums which seems to make sense to me (as I remember seeing elsewhere that 850 AND 1900mhz 3G is supported, but Rogers may be turning off 3G on 1900mhz to save bandwidth for voice data). Check the post here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=642523&postcount=11
Looks like I might just wait (even longer) and get the X1a to guarantee that it will access the Rogers 3G network on 850mhz (if they do end up using that frequency exclusively).
damnit!

Hi there,
Here's a few links that may help:
http://store.nokia.ca/support.php?page=faq (Search page for Rogers)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=652905
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ca.shtml
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.

EGMine said:
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.
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Good point about the Extended Network charge, I will have to call Fido and ask them if I would be able to connect to 3G/HSDPA on the 850mhz band. The thing is, when I was talking with the Fido CSR today, he claimed that Fido no longer really even has towers, and that ALL traffic is over the Rogers network.
I would love to figure out which band I am on, however I have an HTC Universal with NO 3G capabilities, so all I would see is the GSM network (would still be nice, altho I'm not even sure if the Uni i have supports the 850mhz band...I'm currently on 1900mhz). Does anyone know how to verify information like this under WinMo?
I know the GSM voice frequencies of Rogers/Fido, however it was rumoured that 3G was going to be disabled on the 1900mhz band, because 850mhz was stronger, and they needed to free up voice bandwidth.
Anyways, if there is a way to do a field test in WinMo, it would be good to know so I can see more details of what I'm connected to. I'll start hunting and post a link if I come across it first tho.

This is probably a mute point but i'm sure it's safe to say that Rogers doesn't operate 3G on either 900 or 2100. I've got a touch pro and it doesn't work on 3G at all. My Kaiser did altho I only got about 3Mbps speeds which's why i went for the TP. Shoulda stuck with the Kaiser heh.

My X1i doesn't seem to be connecting to Rogers under 3G (only EDGE)....
But why is this setting here then? I want X1a ROM's please! hehe
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I get 3G in some places and Edge in smaller cities with Rogers

rogers does also have SOME 1700Mhz t-mobile version of 3g setup in Vancouver because of the olympics, now it certainly doesnt compare to the 3.5G that i get with a rogers device, but its better then nothing.

my x1iii works rogers 3G
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where

jdx1 said:
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where
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JDX, are you positive that it's on 3G/HSDPA? I also have an X1i (since November 2008) and I have yet to get on 3G with it...good God I hope this is true...
Also, are you in the downtown core, or out in the suburbs?

jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!

Matt1408 said:
jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?

I work at St Clair and Yonge, before 2 weeks ago, i have been getting GPRS (not even edge) with my Atom life (1900/2100). The only place that I have ever seen 3G is right outside the urban behavior store in erin mills, for some reason i get 3G there.
Since 2 weeks ago, i have been getting constant 3G icon when my phone is on my working deskop.
As i walk down the street, i get H icon and when i try to sync with MyPhone, it is blazing fast.. compared to what i have before.
I have to commment tho, in some places it goes on and off, and sometimes the reception for voice isnt that great as compared to before.

Xdenwarrior said:
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?
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I'm in the vancouver downtown area, and noticed that my x1i is now connecting 3g / H as well!
I hope it's not just temporary.. .did a couple speed tests, and it ranges from 200kb - 600kb.
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I was on the bus today in the morning coming down 16th, and my X1i constantly changed from E to 3g and H between Oak and Cambie, West 16th.

Thanx, guys for all the replies, u r all SO lucky lol!
****, if only this miracle can come to Calgary soon enough...
Update: 3 weeks later:
and it DID haha, I abandoned Fido, and so now get 3g+ with Telus's new HSPA network....

I posted on HowardForums about this:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=13131032
according to toolcube, rogers is indeed building out more capacity on the 1900 band.

Well, I'm pretty sure that fido is only using the 1900 network, as stated on their website.
Frequency
The rate at which a waveform or signal alternates. This rate is usually measured in hertz, a unit meaning cycles per second. Voice and data transmission is expressed in millions of hertz, called megahertz (MHz). 1900, 1800, 900 and 850 MHz are the main frequency bands. Fido uses the 1900 band.
http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/Glossary
and says that they run 3g as well (what it appears anyways)
3G
A third generation of wireless developments, it uses a mobile wireless technology called HSPA. HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) is the latest evolution of GSM—the dominant world-wide standard for mobile wireless communications. It allows you to enjoy the kind of high-speed Internet and multimedia experience previously only possible on a PC, and gives you first-hand access to high-speed mobile Internet, Video Calling, streaming video, radio on demand, your favourite TV programs, music and mobile communities all on your Fido.

Looked into this yesterday since Rogers is the only carrier selling the HTC Hero which also works on AT&T.
Rogers and AT&T use the same 3G frequencies, so all handsets work on each others networks: 850/1900 for UMTS.
The rest of the world seems to be 900/2100.
And T-Mobile USA is 1700?

Not international??

On the TMo site, if you do a compare of the G2 with other phones (e.g. the Vibrant), you will see that the G2 is NOT noted as an international phone. Is this possible, or just a screw-up on the TMo site?

It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.

atlp99 said:
It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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that is very odd but i suppose they want you to only use this thing in the us or they dont want you to unlock it and be able to use 3g on at&t network. but i guess if thats a big issue you could always get the desire z it has less rom but i seriously doubt you will use all of the rom i mean you have 1.5gb which is more than double any other HTC phone 2 date.

I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.

Superfrag said:
I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!

crazy
It would indeed be crazy if the G2 couldn't pick up 3G outside of the US. I mean, my G1 is able to (after I unlocked it and used other carriers' sims, etc.). I'm just hoping it's really just a screw up on the Tmo website. However, all this talk about bands and such is beyond me, but makes me nervous. If anyone can officially clear things up, would be much appreciated. Cheers.

setspeed said:
I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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See, all T-Mobile phones till now, have the 2100Mhz band. Infact its universal in almost all smartphones..
The only thing that will prevent you from getting the G2, is that it will be locked to T-Mobile. If you're just picking it up without a contract, and you're not an existing T-Mobile customer, I doubt they will unlock it for you.
Other alternatives are getting the unlock codes from eBay, I've done it previously for many BlackBerries and they worked perfectly, but I can't vouch for Android phones.
Or wait for XDA community to come up with a way to unlock it, but I feel that might be a software unlock restricted to that particular baseband AFAIK.
Also, T-Mobile smartphones usually have 2 bands, 1700Mhz(for TMo's 3G) and 2100Mhz for Europe and Rest of World. The Vibrant somehow has 1900, maybe because Samsung didn't bother to remove it or dunno why. But I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 1700 and 2100Mhz bands, I will be shocked if it doesn't.
Alternatively, the Desire Z will not have the 1700Mhz band, but I think it will have 900/1900/2100 Mhz for other parts of the world. AFAIK, Japan and some carriers in Australia uses 1900. Europe as a whole uses 2100.
AT&T smartphones uses 850Mhz band, but in some cities they still have the old 1900Mhz band running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
That list should tell you where all the different bands are used. Note that Japanese carriers use a different type of 1700Mhz band in comparison to T-Mobile USA.

G2 2100 Mhz ?
It struck me as odd that the G2 is listed as not having 2100 Mhz 3g. It may very well be a typo, Phonescoop lists the G2 as having both 1700Mhz and 2100 Mhz.
The 3G frequency that T-Mobile USA uses is not a pure 1700 Mhz, It actually uses one frequency for uplink and a different one for downlink to communicate with the towers. It uses 1700 Mhz for one and 2100 Mhz for the other, I forget which is uplink and downlink.
Most of the rest of the world ouside of the USA uses 2100 Mhz for both uplink and downlink for 3G.
Because of this all T-Mobile 3G smartphones have been able to use 3G on the 2100 Mhz frequency outside the US. It seems unlikely that HTC would disable 2100 Mhz on the G2 especially since it is basically the same as the Desire Z in europe.

Actually, if you looked at the Wiki, 2100Mhz band means 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. The 1700Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile USA uses is 1700Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. Very similar... but still very different.
Take a look at the UMTS frequency band wiki page that I have posted in the above post of mine, you should be able to understand how it works.

From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.

So just to make things a bit clear, will the T-Mobile G2 use 3G and HSDPA in the UK & Europe if I unlock it and insert a UK simcard in there or will it be stucked on EDGE?

I'm pretty sure it will work on 3G in Europe(2100Mhz Band). But we can only be sure when the phone releases.

Anomaly said:
From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
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I doubt there will be a latin american version. The G2 will work on T-Mobile, and the Desire Z is an unlocked G2 with 900/1900/2100 Band support (I'm presuming).
I think the G2 will have 1700Mhz(for T-Mobile) and 2100Mhz(for Europe and Asia).
All the other T-Mobile smartphones have 2100Mhz, I've yet to come across a smartphone from T-Mo that only supports 1700Mhz. I really don't think the G2 will be any different.

Superfrag,
Thanks for the correction. I knew the 2100 Mhz frequency overlapped, but could not remember the specification of the other half.

If you check on the HTC website, you will see that the Desire Z is a 900/2100Mhz phone, however, this means that it is a Band I/VIII phone, not Band IV like the G2.
What this means is both phones operate on a downlink frequency range round about (they are not the same) 2100Mhz. However, the Z's uplink frequency range is around 1900Mhz and the G2's uplink range is around 1700Mhz.
This means that you can't send data in the US with the Z or in Europe with the G2, but you could potentially receive data. The problem is, that the phone can't handshake, so I think it will drop any data it receives.
There are latin american versions of a lot of phones, so there is still hope. Just hope that it isn't a Brazilian phone because I am fairly sure they use the same frequencies as Europe.
You can check out the wiki on UMTS Operating Bands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Note that many T-Mobile phones also support Band I, which is why they work in Europe, the G2 is an exception.

I really don't think the G2 will be an exception. If it is, I will be heavily disappointed, as then I won't buy it since I need the 2100Mhz band..
Oh and just to confirm, where did you read that it will be Band IV only, and not Band I?

If you follow this link you can see the "T-Mobile Compare" page, between the G2 and the Vibrant. Note that the Vibrant supports Band I and Band IV (it lists AWS separately but this is the same thing as 1700/2100) while the G2 only supports Band IV.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...97-d234-4683-8b5a-f026b9db5528,&manufacturer=
It could be incorrect information, but I am fairly sure I have seen it repeated elsewhere, I will try to find another source.

as i understood it from all the previous discussions comparing european 3G and USA Tmobile 3g, tmo uses AWS IV bands (1700/2100) for 3G - 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink
i was going to import a HTC Desire from Tmo UK, thinking it would still pull 3G on the download side here in the states, and found out Tmo US network, if it doesn't see both bands it will automatically limit the connection to edge speeds
i don't know about using it in europe but here are the specs from Tmo's web
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Honestly, if the G2 can't give me 3g data when I travel outside the US (to Europe, for instance), then that's going to be a dealbreaker, which is crushing as I love the phone otherwise. But is it really possible that this would be the case?? Aren't they marketing the G2 as a great business phone? Forgive me for saying so, but a business phone that can't travel would be a disgrace.

i'd check with tmo tech rep but it may be moot point - last time i went overseas to switzerland, data rates were so intimidating, i limited my net useage to checking emails

[Q] What is your FCC ID?

I'm curious how many hardware variations of the Defy exist with distinct FCC ID numbers. This would be a good complementary thread to the one with all the different 3G fix files.
So please state 1) the carrier you bought your phone from (or if not a carrier, the site you bought it from), 2) the network you use it on (if not the same) and its 3G frequencies, 3) The FCC ID number behind the battery of your phone. If there is no FCC ID, then any other numbers you can find.
If your phone has the same info as another already posted here, no need to re-post.
I don't own a Defy but let's start with the info stated here:
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2965
1) T-Mobile USA, 2) N/A, AWS 3G, 3) IHDP56LC3
I have also found FCC reports of the following variations:
IHDP56LC1: WCDMA 850/1900
IHDP56LC2
IHDP56LC4
(not sure which bands on the latter two, had trouble finding the right testing docs)

1) eBay (T-Mobile USA branded)
2) AT&T (850/1900Mhz)
3) IHDP56LC3
IHDP56LC2: WCDMA 850/2100 (FCC website, Exhibit 11 RF Exposure Info)
IHDP56LC4: WCDMA 900/2100 (same above)

krazyazy said:
1) eBay (T-Mobile USA branded)
2) AT&T (850/1900Mhz)
3) IHDP56LC3
IHDP56LC2: WCDMA 850/2100 (FCC website, Exhibit 11 RF Exposure Info)
IHDP56LC4: WCDMA 900/2100 (same above)
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Aha, good to know.
If the T-Mobile USA version (IHDP56LC3) has 850/1700/2100, it seems odd they'd have (presumably for Telstra) a hardware variant which is the same minus 1700 (IHDP56LC2). I wonder if this is genuinely different hardware or if they just fail to list the AWS band in the FCC tests?

1. Telstra
2. Telstra Next-G
3. FCC ID: IHDP56LC2

cmstlist said:
Aha, good to know.
If the T-Mobile USA version (IHDP56LC3) has 850/1700/2100, it seems odd they'd have (presumably for Telstra) a hardware variant which is the same minus 1700 (IHDP56LC2). I wonder if this is genuinely different hardware or if they just fail to list the AWS band in the FCC tests?
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Agreed, it's seems odd that they would have 2 different hardware variants with the difference being only AWS. Guess the only way to test would be to have someone with a IHDP56LC2 Defy flash the USA fix and come over to the US to test.
This would all be easier if manufacturers started using the penta-band chips like in the Nokia N8.

Well, I have seen (on this forum?) pics of the US Defy running 3G on AT&T using the 850. If true, and the 2100 works in Europe (it does, BTW) then anyone would be seemingly better off with the US version.
Oh, here it is: http://androidforums.com/t/217819-t-mo-motorola-defy-working-t-3g-850-band-only.html

scrannel said:
Well, I have seen (on this forum?) pics of the US Defy running 3G on AT&T using the 850. If true, and the 2100 works in Europe (it does, BTW) then anyone would be seemingly better off with the US version.
Oh, here it is: http://androidforums.com/t/217819-t-mo-motorola-defy-working-t-3g-850-band-only.html
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Well, *anyone* but:
- Customers on global carriers who require the 900 MHz band for good 3G coverage
- Customers on any carrier that has significant 1900-only 3G areas
Which leads to a question - can anyone here confirm they live in or have occasion to visit an area where AT&T's 3G coverage is only 1900 MHz, and no 850? You can verify this by bringing your Defy as well as a phone that does have 850/1900 3G, and seeing if you get 3G on the other but not the Defy.
If you can set up this kind of situation - take a nandroid backup of your firmware, and then try applying the "3G fix" for 850/1900. Is your phone now able to get 3G on 1900? If yes, then the bands are entirely software-controlled; if no, it's the hardware.
Or to the Australians out there with a Telstra Defy - do you have access to an Optus SIM card? Can you test out the Defy in a 900 MHz-only Optus coverage area, and then try flashing the "3G fix" for 900/2100... is your phone now able to get 3G on 900?

1) Bought from T-Mobile Direct (UK)
2) Network: T-Mobile (UK)
3) FCC: IHDP56LC4

All,
I live in Madagascar, after flashing US 3G fix, i've got 3g at home now. Before fix, in rom 3. 4. 3-11, i always don't have at home. But, oh yes there's but, the network signal is very poor. And i've lost it many times.
My Fcc id HDP56LC4.
Now i'm in 900-2100 fix and everything is right but in Edge lol 2G.
My carrier is Telma, 900 for Gsm and 2100 for 3g+ (Hspda). I've signal and 3g+ connection when i leave home for office, in the city.
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Hello I have purchased a Motorola Defy from e-bay off of kick mobiles in the UK it was already unlocked the FCC ID is :IHDP56LC4 900/2100(2.2.2) and I had it shipped to Canada..... much to my dismay it does not work on our basebands here..well it does on GSM 2G...anyway I found a Canadian one from Telus so i bought that one too and it's FCC ID is :IHDP56LC1 850/1900(2.2.1) hope this helps

I'm confused. When I go to the phonescoop page and click on the different FCC IDs IHDP56LCX where X is 1-4 the only one that is different is 3 where it has the 1700 band in addition to the 850/1900/2400?
I'm looking for a phone with hardware to support 850/1900 3g. can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,

If you want the one with 850/1900 3G, it's the one sold by Telus Canada, or in certain Latin American countries.
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Thanks for the reply!
It seems really tough to pick up a defy with specific hardware because a lot of phones on ebay anyway are tmobile which apparently is 850/1700/2100 and could work with att but will not have the 1900 band or mb525 which is the international version which doesn't work with att?

For IHDP56LC2, seems to be almost all in one:
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Thanks for the necromove
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I have a IHDP56LC4:
1. Bought from Germanos Romania (Cosmote - OTE owened)
2. Used with Vodafone (900, 2100 MHz)
3. FCC ID: IHDP56LC4

I have one Defy+ and the FCC ID is For IHDP56LC2, i switched basebands and i can connect to 850/AWS 3G bands, i'm looking for a compatible 1900mhz radio and baseband, i tried to change baseband but defy stays in Only Emergency calls.

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I have one Defy+ and the FCC ID is For IHDP56LC2, i switched basebands and i can connect to 850/AWS 3G bands, i'm looking for a compatible 1900mhz radio and baseband, i tried to change baseband but defy stays in Only Emergency calls.
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The ONLY reason for the baseband switcher is to fix firmware files that are meant for the wrong variant. The ONLY baseband you need is the one intended for your hardware. Nothing else will give you better results. The hardware cannot under any circumstances connect to bands it's not compatible with.
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GSM Windows Phone 8 devices with LTE

This is only a simple summary I wanted to do about
There are many people who like to buy their smartphones from 3rd party vendors (ebay, and other on-line stores), so on.
Fortunately, there are several smartphones start with support for LTE networks
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CANADA, U.S. (At&t, T-MOBILE), MEXICO (TELCEL), ARGENTINA (MOVISTAR), URUGUAY (ANTEL), PUERTO RICO (at&t), ETC.
To date are only four models of Windows Phone 8 with support for LTE networks in BC4 (the LTE Band Class 4, is the key band in many operators in America, but not to all) , whose band is used for LTE in Canada, Mexico Telcel LTE and the upcoming LTE network fron TMoUS
Should be mentioned that at&t has the license for the BC4, but not yet implemented (at least commercially), and so far at&t only uses its LTE in BC17 (the band 17 should not interest anyone outside of at&t). Even so, the at&t´s LTE devices releases are still very relevant to another countries like Mexico and another some countries in Latin America, becauser ther LTE devices that are made for at&t in addition to the band 17, also include support for LTE in the band 4, which is the band that is used by several american carriers. LTE devices from Canada work also in BC4
WP DEVICES WITH LTE IN BC4:
For now, WP8 devices supporting LTE Band 4, are:
-HTC Windows Phone 8x (check that it is the GSM version with LTE in BC4, not to be confused with Verizon´s HTC 8x, nor the global version without LTE). There are variants of 8Gb and 16Gb of storage.
-Samsung Ativ S GT-i8750 (not to be confused with the version GSM/CDMA). With variants of 16 or 32 GB of storage
-Nokia Lumia 920.2 [RM-820]. Not to be confused with the Lumia 920 RM-821 which supports other LTE bands (European and others)
-Nokia Lumia 820.2 [RM-824]. Not to be confused with the Lumia 820 RM-825 which has European and other LTE bands
Specifications:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=3808&id2=3814&id3=3914&id4=3985&id5=3906&id6=3860
At the moment, I have no information if some trick is needed to operate the LTE in another network for which it was designed, (of course, assuming that both the device and the network has the appropiated LTE band, but the smartphones mentioned meet the requirement of hardware essential to be able to function in carriers with LTE LTE in BC4
For example, so far, I know the requirements to enjoy the LTE if the device was not purchased with the operator (Telcel Mexico case for now, but can serve as a reference for other operators):
-A unlocked device, which support the band LTE 4 (or AWS LTE, which is the same)
-Being in an LTE coverage area
-A Version 6 SIM Card
-Postpaid plan
-That the operators´s system enable your cell phone line as "LTE user"
-May or may not, be needed a minor operation, as in the case of the Nexus 4 you have to enter a service menu to change settings related to LTE (like Nexus 4); or edit the APN settings (like as was done with the 3G)
Europe
In Europe, LTE bands are used:
BC7 (this is in 2600MHz) used for LTE in most countries of the EU; Australia, etc
BC20 (this is in 800MHz) some European countries already in use as in France, Germany, etc.. (although in the same territory also use BC7); Australia
BC3 (this is in 1800MHz). Only a few countries use this as LTE band are: Belgium, Denmark, Finland, etc (although in the same territory also use BC7 and BC20). Australia uses BC3 too.
WP8 DEVICES THAT HAVE LTE IN BC7, AND LTE IN BC20:
Lumia 920 [RM-821], not to be confused with the American version.
Lumia 820 [RM-825], not to be confused with the American version.
UPDATE: Added:
-HTC 8X LTE C625b (LTE BC7 and LTE BC3)
Specs:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=4039&id2=3859&id3=3858
Note: Some Latin American operators are deploying LTE networks in LTE frequency BC7, as Entel in Chile, UNE in Colombia, so they falls in the second case (European style)
sorry for my bad english

In many European countries networks are already operational on 2600 Mhz. Some countries are allowing refarming of spectrum in the 1800 Mhz range. Some have already deployed in the spectrum of the digital dividend (switch to DVB-T) at around 800 Mhz, while other countries still have not given away those frequencies. It is safe to assume that most european networks will operate on a Mix of 800/2600 or 1800/2600.
The european versions of the Lumia 820/920 to my knowledge should support all three of those bands.

Will my Moto G4 Plus bought in India work in USA ?

I've ordered a new Moto G4 Plus off Amazon.in (Amazon for India) .
Link of the product that i bought : http://www.amazon.in/Moto-Plus-4th-Gen-Black/dp/B01DDP7GZK
Look at the Specs (Focus on Connectivity Technologies )
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Now, take a look here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#United_States
My Question is, will my device (the one bought in India) work in USA without any additional effort (like unlocking or something) ?
And IF unlocking is necessary to make my device work in the USA, please point me to the required resource .
Additionally, I'd like to show this to you :
Summarising the entire question in one sentence --> "Will a Moto G Plus 4th Gen bought in India work in USA ?"
Thanks people, in advance, for answering my question . Thank you :* .

The Indian model should be SIM unlocked, but it might be locked if you buy it through an Indian carrier (I don't know how it works over there). The Indian model has Quadband GSM, Triband HSPA, and LTE 1, 3, 5, 8, 40.
In the US, on AT&T you'll get 2G (850MHz and 1900MHz), 3G (850MHz), and in a few markets, LTE on Band 5 (which is also 850MHz). It's missing AT&T's primary LTE band 12/17, as well as LTE bands 2 and 4, and 3G on 1900MHz.
On T-Mobile, you'll get 2G on 1900MHz and that's it. It's missing 3G on 1700MHz/2100MHz and 1900MHz, and LTE Bands 2, 4, 12.
It will not work on Verizon or Sprint at all.

xtermmin said:
The Indian model should be SIM unlocked, but it might be locked if you buy it through an Indian carrier (I don't know how it works over there). The Indian model has Quadband GSM, Triband HSPA, and LTE 1, 3, 5, 8, 40.
In the US, on AT&T you'll get 2G (850MHz and 1900MHz), 3G (850MHz), and in a few markets, LTE on Band 5 (which is also 850MHz). It's missing AT&T's primary LTE band 12/17, as well as LTE bands 2 and 4, and 3G on 1900MHz.
On T-Mobile, you'll get 2G on 1900MHz and that's it. It's missing 3G on 1700MHz/2100MHz and 1900MHz, and LTE Bands 2, 4, 12.
It will not work on Verizon or Sprint at all.
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Ok.. what would you suggest me ?
Return this phone back and buy a new one in US ?
Or are there phones that I can buy here which will definitely work in USA ?

.:Death_Angel:. said:
Ok.. what would you suggest me ?
Return this phone back and buy a new one in US ?
Or are there phones that I can buy here which will definitely work in USA ?
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The US model of the G4 Plus has Triband CDMA, Quadband GSM, Pentaband (five-band) HSPA, and LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41. It'll work on all major carriers, although some prepaid carriers do not allow unlocked phones as part of their own policy.
Compared to the Indian model, you're missing LTE Band 40. If Band 40 isn't important to you, get the US model.

xtermmin said:
The US model of the G4 Plus has Triband CDMA, Quadband GSM, Pentaband (five-band) HSPA, and LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41. It'll work on all major carriers, although some prepaid carriers do not allow unlocked phones as part of their own policy.
Compared to the Indian model, you're missing LTE Band 40. If Band 40 isn't important to you, get the US model.
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The problem is, I dont have a smart phone right now and i need one.
Let's say i buy the indian model right now. N assuming ill get AT&T sim in US, my phone will have phone calls, messages, 2G, 3G and WiFi right ?
Because thats all i want really. I'll be ok without 4G (dont need it, 3G is enough for me) .

.:Death_Angel:. said:
The problem is, I dont have a smart phone right now and i need one.
Let's say i buy the indian model right now. N assuming ill get AT&T sim in US, my phone will have phone calls, messages, 2G, 3G and WiFi right ?
Because thats all i want really. I'll be ok without 4G (dont need it, 3G is enough for me) .
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Yes, the Indian version will work on AT&T US on 2G and 3G for calls/texts/data and WiFi for data.

Did you get Moto g4 in India? Did it work in USA?

HI ... I am facing same issue...
I brought MOTO -G4 plus from INDIA and currently I am in USA and using AT&T service.
I can only access 2-G network.
Is there any solution so that I can use 4-G network here ??

sagarratunawar said:
HI ... I am facing same issue...
I brought MOTO -G4 plus from INDIA and currently I am in USA and using AT&T service.
I can only access 2-G network.
Is there any solution so that I can use 4-G network here ??
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I am also having the same problem. Did you find any solution?
By any chance, manual installation of Nougat usa release fix the problem?