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Just a thought

I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?

This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.

pjcforpres said:
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol

JoshHart said:
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.

I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.

Mi|enko said:
I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2

Eclair~ said:
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.

pjcforpres said:
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P

I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Paul22000 said:
Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.

pjcforpres said:
What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.

pjcforpres said:
From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”

pjcforpres said:
First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!

First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.

uansari1 said:
First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?

Paul22000 said:
Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?

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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM

were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!

AndroidPerson said:
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!

Paul22000 said:
I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
AndroidPerson said:
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.

The love of this phone

I love this damn phone. I dont know about yall, but I could give a **** about stock 2.2 our any of the other newer phones out.. This puppy is a beast running team whiskey, master, and eugenes roms...
These do so much, phone, browser with full flash, gps (yes mine works great), alarm, games, camera, video camera, movie player, mp3 player etc. phones do so damn much, its fun as **** trying out all these fun mods that these great developers make for our bad ass phone....
What else yall use these bad ass toys for? I love mine and had it on day 1 release

I've had mine for 2 weeks and I'm still trying to figure out everything. (I still need to get the balls to root it so I can enjoy those sweet roms)

smashpunks said:
I love this damn phone. I dont know about yall, but I could give a **** about stock 2.2 our any of the other newer phones out.. This puppy is a beast running team whiskey, master, and eugenes roms...
These do so much, phone, browser with full flash, gps (yes mine works great), alarm, games, camera, video camera, movie player, mp3 player etc. phones do so damn much, its fun as **** trying out all these fun mods that these great developers make for our bad ass phone....
What else yall use these bad ass toys for? I love mine and had it on day 1 release
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+1 beside the stock part (if it runs on android im interested)
sgsV Nero-DoW1.4 OC

Love mine as well!!
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You can love it all you want, but unless you heavily MOD this phone up (Root + Lagfix and more often than not a Custom ROM), the out of box experience is similar to these.
All of these lag/free/blackscreen issues still exist on JI6 for the Vibrant. I may put a video on YouTube with a demonstration soon, cause it's a myth, apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI

This is kind of ironic...
I was just going to post how my stock JI6 vibrant is running pretty well; I opened and closed a bunch of stuff in a short period of time, but then tried to open the gallery and bam, my phone froze. No response from the keys, then I went to lock the phone, but it never turned back on.
Just did a battery pull

I've had mine freeze up and require a battery pull just swiping to another home screen.

im running stock ji6, no problems ever, with gps, gallery, lags.
Both of the youtube vids are with the i9000.

Maybe the vibrant just works great in Oregon! =)

I think if it's going to "just work" anywhere it should be either Mountain View, CA or Cupertino, CA.

ZombiiBite said:
I've had mine for 2 weeks and I'm still trying to figure out everything. (I still need to get the balls to root it so I can enjoy those sweet roms)
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you won't regret it..learn all the ins and outs of rooting and you will constantly be flashing roms, which never gets old

N8ter said:
You can love it all you want, but unless you heavily MOD this phone up (Root + Lagfix and more often than not a Custom ROM), the out of box experience is similar to these.
All of these lag/free/blackscreen issues still exist on JI6 for the Vibrant. I may put a video on YouTube with a demonstration soon, cause it's a myth, apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI
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When mine behaves like that I unload some apps. Even though it has 16 gigs, it seems you really can't just add apps until it's full.
I also suspect there is some kind of multitasking pre-emption problem too. For example, when you install an app, the phone virtually freezes when it's actually writing the app to disk. Maybe it's just a disk format or sd driver problem.
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ZachLL88 said:
im running stock ji6, no problems ever, with gps, gallery, lags.
Both of the youtube vids are with the i9000.
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The same issues on every other Gs.
Why do lag fixes exist, if not?
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cyberbillp said:
When mine behaves like that I unload some apps. Even though it has 16 gigs, it seems you really can't just add apps until it's full.
I also suspect there is some kind of multitasking pre-emption problem too. For example, when you install an app, the phone virtually freezes when it's actually writing the app to disk. Maybe it's just a disk format or sd driver problem.
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No. these phones have terrible I/O performance. Notice in thr video when she runs twicca it freezes while loading data (most likely from cache). It's due to the RFS filesystem Samsung uses.
The fact that those are i9k's doesn't change anything. All the stock Galaxy S phones have this issue, save for the Nexus.
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cyberbillp said:
When mine behaves like that I unload some apps. Even though it has 16 gigs, it seems you really can't just add apps until it's full.
I also suspect there is some kind of multitasking pre-emption problem too. For example, when you install an app, the phone virtually freezes when it's actually writing the app to disk. Maybe it's just a disk format or sd driver problem.
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This is a problem on JI6. Nothing short of a different firmware version will fix the pause when installing apps. Not a "lag fix" either.
I have no problems with my Vibrant. Trolls will Troll because that's what they do, but the 0.001% of owners here don't give a good idea of what regular owners really think. The ones that consistently complain about how horrible the phone is and continues to use it, even after claiming to have sold it or will be, should just be ignored. There is an ulterior motive here.
I have stock JL5, and it runs great. JI6 has a problem with the Gallery, well known and I posted a solution for it already. But JL5 is running so good there really isn't much reason to be running JI6 over it.

N8ter said:
You can love it all you want, but unless you heavily MOD this phone up (Root + Lagfix and more often than not a Custom ROM), the out of box experience is similar to these.
All of these lag/free/blackscreen issues still exist on JI6 for the Vibrant. I may put a video on YouTube with a demonstration soon, cause it's a myth, apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do065zuSUI
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Geez, my phone sure has never behaved like that (thankfully!); and I'm "out of the box." I can see how it would drive you nuts, lead you to "lag-fixes," etc.! Just want to point out that the problem sure ain't universal, for whatever reason. (I don't have a ton of apps installed; I wonder if that makes a difference.)
Occasionally, there will be a slight pause when opening an app or something, but it doesn't ruin my day...

pavvy said:
Geez, my phone sure has never behaved like that (thankfully!); and I'm "out of the box." I can see how it would drive you nuts, lead you to "lag-fixes," etc.! Just want to point out that the problem sure ain't universal, for whatever reason. (I don't have a ton of apps installed; I wonder if that makes a difference.)
Occasionally, there will be a slight pause when opening an app or something, but it doesn't ruin my day...
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Like I said in another thread... My YouTube video will be up soon

I keep getting nervous about rooting, because I see people who write stuff in these and phandroid's forums about peoples phones starting to act weird right after they do it. I'm also worried about how to do updates to newer versions of android, and how make sure I have my contacts backed up because my buddy did his EVO and told me he lost all hiscontacts and wasn't able to sync them with google. PLEASE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SOMEONE!

ZombiiBite said:
I keep getting nervous about rooting, because I see people who write stuff in these and phandroid's forums about peoples phones starting to act weird right after they do it. I'm also worried about how to do updates to newer versions of android, and how make sure I have my contacts backed up because my buddy did his EVO and told me he lost all hiscontacts and wasn't able to sync them with google. PLEASE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SOMEONE!
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First time owning a smartphone and first time owning an Android phone, I rooted the phone on day one, nothing bad happened. All I gained are benefits, adblock, costume roms (froyo 2.2), root explorer, voodoo, etc

Yeah, I've had it for two weeks and love it! I can only imagine how much better it'll be when I do root it. Should I just follow the tutorial on here? And then what roms does everyone suggest?

Moving over from hd2

I can't wait for the roms to come out. Its simply amazing that my hd2 running android was actually faster than the samsung galaxy s2 but that is also disappointing given that I am supposes to be upgrading.
Having said that, at stock level the s2 its actually very good. Launcher pro is definitely faster than touchwiz. I have tried to stick with touchwiz but there doesn't seem to be any saving on battery life, hence no point when there are better home programs.
There are some debates about the gps but I get it working in seconds all the time even at home. The builds quality is really poor to the extent that I wanted too send it back the next day. It may be light but it doesn't exude style, more like cheapness. Battery is great without needing any compromise from me.
These comments are all compared too the hd2

hm, I also just migrated from HD2, but speed wise, none of the HD2 android builds I have tried comes even close to SGS II, so which build were you using?

Wtf u talking bout. Lol, android on hd2 was better than a lot of pure android phones. But against sgs2 ur crazy. What exactly is slow about touchwiz? Its not as integrated as sense but not slow on my device.
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I can't wait for the roms to come out. Its simply amazing that my hd2 running android was actually faster than the samsung galaxy s2 but that is also disappointing given that I am supposes to be upgrading.
Having said that, at stock level the s2 its actually very good. Launcher pro is definitely faster than touchwiz. I have tried to stick with touchwiz but there doesn't seem to be any saving on battery life, hence no point when there are better home programs.
There are some debates about the gps but I get it working in seconds all the time even at home. The builds quality is really poor to the extent that I wanted too send it back the next day. It may be light but it doesn't exude style, more like cheapness. Battery is great without needing any compromise from me.
These comments are all compared too the hd2
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I also had the HTC HD2 before buying the SGS2. I used to be a flashing maniac. Everytime something new was released I had to try if it was better than what I had already tried. But enough of that.
Once I got my SGS2 I knew why I felt like getting a new, real android phone in the first place. The SGS2 has beat my old HD2 in every aspect.
I only miss the weight of the HD2. After holding it for so long the SGS2 feels like you have nothing at all in your hands.
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Touchwiz is ok but the experience is not as smooth as the iphone. Nor is it as good as my experience with darkstone ram build

Yay another fake "i come from xxx phone and the sgs2 sux!"
The sgs2 is extremely fast and responsive on stock rom, so good luck trolling on that lol.

Jonzza said:
I also had the HTC HD2 before buying the SGS2. I used to be a flashing maniac. Everytime something new was released I had to try if it was better than what I had already tried. But enough of that.
Once I got my SGS2 I knew why I felt like getting a new, real android phone in the first place. The SGS2 has beat my old HD2 in every aspect.
I only miss the weight of the HD2. After holding it for so long the SGS2 feels like you have nothing at all in your hands.
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+1, my thoughts exactly.
The HD2 was a fantastic phone, tons of ROMS and dev, but slow compared to the SG2

I don't mind the discussion but why the provocative choice of words.

+1 samething happens with every device released. Its either coming from xxx device or threatening current users with upcoming devices.
Hd2 is the flashers dream, and I have no problems with that device besides the fragile screen. But please remember that the hd2 is hacked/modded/tweaked to death. And I was there when it was just winmo 6.5. It was an extremely long process and has been in development for years now. Its a damn good android device but nowhere near the sgs2.
Its 10 times better than any iphone to above post.
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Yay another fake "i come from xxx phone and the sgs2 sux!"
The sgs2 is extremely fast and responsive on stock rom, so good luck trolling on that lol.
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Hmm, you must have a faulty GS2, as I had a GS2 for a bit, and it was so much faster than the HD2!
However, I'm back to HD2 now as the price GS2s were going for on ebay left me with no choice
If you're not making it up, can you please post your HD2 setup so I can make mine faster than a GS2 as well? I'd pay you if it worked!
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I probably should stop now as it is clear my experience is just mine. I use the darkstone ram build but with almost no other widget on. It was my weekend os as I needed windows mobile for work.
I certainly feel the iphone os had a more finished feel to the stock touchwiz. For example scrolling to the next screen with the ap news widget and the email widget below is not 100% smooth. A lot of you our there really love this phone and I don't mean to dispute.
In fact I wish I can delete this thread as it is now a meaningless reflection of my own and I accept that my opinions are not shared at all.

yeancheant said:
I probably should stop now as it is clear my experience is just mine. I use the darkstone ram build but with almost no other widget on. It was my weekend os as I needed windows mobile for work.
I certainly feel the iphone os had a more finished feel to the stock touchwiz. For example scrolling to the next screen with the ap news widget and the email widget below is not 100% smooth. A lot of you our there really love this phone and I don't mean to dispute.
In fact I wish I can delete this thread as it is now a meaningless reflection of my own and I accept that my opinions are not shared at all.
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Wow, I'm surprised that people are still using my build on the HD2
In some aspects the SuperRAM build will be faster since /system is completely in RAM. This is great for quick loading etc, but in terms of raw performance, the SGS2 has it beat
Still though, the HD2 is a great phone but I've moved on to the SGS2 now. I'll likely start working on this superphone some time soon

wow, i can't believe darkstone is commenting here haha - it was the last person i'd expect to see!
btw - i loved your ROMs, i was a major flashaholic with my HD2 ever since the beginning. Thanks for contributing to the huge breakthrough that was Android on the HD2! I still remember the first desire build
anyways, back to the thread topic
I'm currently using the HD2 and still waiting on Handtec to get stock for the 2nd preorder batch
The ONE MAJOR problem i had with the HD2 was that it did not have a "true" multitouch touch controller. Whenever two points were touched in parallel it would register it as one point of touch.
So my major issue was with TYPING on the HD2. I could never type fast because i had letters jumping here and there.
I temporarily switched to an Atrix and loved the multitouch keyboard. But after using it for about a month and reading about the S2 - i know what's better.
I had a bunch of issues with the Atrix as well so I cant wait to try out the S2. The qHD screen was nice , but the pentile matrix was too noticable for me. Plus it got WAAY too hot.
Here's hoping Handtec gets stock soon
AND I AM SO HAPPY DARKSTONE IS ON BOARD WITH THE S2!! I can't wait for custom roms

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Wow, I'm surprised that people are still using my build on the HD2
In some aspects the SuperRAM build will be faster since /system is completely in RAM. This is great for quick loading etc, but in terms of raw performance, the SGS2 has it beat
Still though, the HD2 is a great phone but I've moved on to the SGS2 now. I'll likely start working on this superphone some time soon
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Hey, I was quite happily using one of your ancient FroyoStone v3.1 (manually patched up and tweaked with my own stuff of course) until I jumped on the SGS2 just two days ago
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For example scrolling to the next screen with the ap news widget and the email widget below is not 100% smooth
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Mate, if you reckon the default TouchWiz interface is crap just ditch it and download one of the million launcher apps on the Market these days. I didn't bother with TouchWiz at all - I just migrated my entire LauncherPro setup from my HD2 to the SGS2. The only things that bug me on the SGS2 atm was the stupid battery drain (which I think I've just fixed this morning) and the lockscreen, which I'll be rid of as soon as someone ports over a stock Gingerbeard build.

I came over from Pongster's build because I was so fed up with custom notifications not working.
Only things I miss from the HD2 are the call end button, notification LED and easy access to the MicroSD card. Oh, and TomTom (in Windows of course).
The speed boost is really noticeable in comparison, especially on the Market when you're updating or installing several apps at once.
I'm baffled as to why Samsung made the card reader so hard to access with a battery removal.

Jonzza said:
I only miss the weight of the HD2. After holding it for so long the SGS2 feels like you have nothing at all in your hands.
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Well, yesterday I took my old HD2 in my hands after 3 weeks of using the Galaxy S II.
My reaction was: "How could I carry such an overweight brick for so long?"

I'll have a hard time leaving my old HD2 behind. It may be a heavy brick but it's a good looking and tough brick. And with AmericanAndroid's Gingerbread build and the MIUI Gingerbread builds it's also been really fast and efficient with battery.
*sniff* , oh well at the end of the day it still isn't a "real" android phone so it will be nice to see what that feels like. And I've always got a solid backup if the Sammy goes on the blink. Hopefully Darkstone will have some nice treats for us in the future as well. His Froyostone Sense build was my first HD2 Android experience.

Having moved over from the HD2 myself the only disadvantage I notice is a reduction in WiFi signal strength. The S2 is a lot faster though overall, there is simply no comparison in that respect and I have used virtually every HD2 Android build available at one time or other, both SD and nand.
I miss my MIUI roms though, I'm looking forward to the S2 getting them.

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I've moved on to the SGS2 now.
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Over the Evo 3D? :-o
The Evo 3D has the SGS2 beat in every way save for the hacky "internal storage." The screen especially is better on the Evo 3D (qHD S-LCD). Plus it, like, has 3D.
Hurry before it's too late and you're forced to buy the SGSII! XD

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Over the Evo 3D? :-o
The Evo 3D has the SGS2 beat in every way save for the hacky "internal storage." The screen especially is better on the Evo 3D (qHD S-LCD). Plus it, like, has 3D.
Hurry before it's too late and you're forced to buy the SGSII! XD
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Back under your bridge....
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What should i expect?

I just brought an Atrix. Its coming in the postage and well initially i read reviews from Engadget and such. But what im a to expect? Is the battery life really that great? Oh and i plan to root the device, how do i go about doing that?
So yeah, Im new to android and moving over from WP7.

Personally I miss WP7. I had a focus, but I am more than happy with the Atrix. A lot of the issues people mention here are things that I do not get or notice. I can see the pixels on the screem, but only if I really try to look for them.
One thing the Atrix kills WP7 in is games. I'm playing Galaxy on fire 2 and History Channel Great Battles; they are great and rival my PS3.

I have a HTC trophy, and it really is a let down. Battery life is poor. Lasting maybe 7 hours when idle and when im using it throughout the day, usually it will last for about 4 hours. Camera isnt great, games are really awkward to play, oh and the speaker is crackles regardless of how loud it is. I will admit i do like the music player, the photoviewer and overall UI is really nice. But im sure i can customize android to the same standard. Right? Though, I heard atrix is alot smoother when playing games, but i dont know if it could rival my ps3 haha

I'll be getting one soon as well. can't wait
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your username is perfect OP

I too came from WP7 (lg quantum) and I tell you the Atrix is amazing I've never had any of the issues people reported and the battery really is that great. If you properly charge it from day one (drain the battery then let it charge for a day, and repeat) the battery will be amazing I no lie get around 14hrs of useage and im constantly youtubing, texting, downloading some game or playing a game, but using setcpu I have it underclocked at 816mhz but even at full I would get 10-12 hours of use. And as far as root. My favorite method is gladroot. Its clean neat and seems to work throughout updates.
But thats just my 2 cents
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Thanks Guys, I really cant wait to get my hands on it. Battery life is a big issue with me, considering my phone was at 50% by 8:30 in the morning, and i had only taken it off the charger at 7ish. But to be fair, i had been on youtube and reddit for the hour and a bit. And I learnt today that my speaker doesnt work, its now just plain static. How lovely.

Atrixx said:
I just brought an Atrix. Its coming in the postage and well initially i read reviews from Engadget and such. But what im a to expect? Is the battery life really that great? Oh and i plan to root the device, how do i go about doing that?
So yeah, Im new to android and moving over from WP7.
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I use GladRoot because many have had problems with Gingerbreak doing funny things.
You will probably want to get an extra micro usb charger.

WiredPirate said:
I use GladRoot because many have had problems with Gingerbreak doing funny things.
You will probably want to get an extra micro usb charger.
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I heard motorola has a signed bootloader. Which means no Roms, right? But what else does it limit me doing? But thanks, I probably will use Gladroot.

Atrixx said:
I heard motorola has a signed bootloader. Which means no Roms, right? But what else does it limit me doing? But thanks, I probably will use Gladroot.
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There are roms

Atrixx said:
I heard motorola has a signed bootloader. Which means no Roms, right? But what else does it limit me doing? But thanks, I probably will use Gladroot.
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There are no custom ROMs or custom kernels available for the Atrix at the moment, there are "pseudo ROMs" that apply themes and hacks etc but still use the Motorola kernel. Supposedly 2nd init will open the door for some true ROMs/kernels in the future, but there is no eta. Dont hold your breathe for an unlocked bootloader like many are doing, there is no reason to expect one. I love CM7 on my Captivate and before that I flashed every ROM to the moon and back.. Hands down the Atrix is a better piece of hardware and is much more of a reliable phone out of the box. I am much more happy with the Atrix in its current state than I ever was with my Captivate running any custom ROM.
Edit: I stand corrected. It seams there is an unlocked bootloader solution being offered by Moto now is some countries and/or on a few leaked builds. Fingers crossed Moto/Att push this update to us also! But as of right now there is no official word. Only speculation and word passed from ear to ear.

Can we expect more roms anytime soon?

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I would love to see more roms and for this beautiful piece of hardware
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Honestly, I'd like to see some kernel development.
And now I feel like a jerk. :/

Yeah I'm patiently waiting but there's not a lot of action going on. We need more devs on board to help each other out. Wish I could code to help.
Losing the stock apps is a problem for most people that bought this tablet though

If I ever get the time (unlikely...) I might take a crack at Omni.
I'm kind of waiting to see how the new Nexus rumors pan out. If the next Nexus tablet has a K1, that'll make Android L a lot easier.
There's also, as some people said, the fact that there are quite a lot of stock features of the device that are actually quite nice. There's also the fact that the stock firmware is quite clean, reducing the need to tweak it.

Some of the stock apps really don't want to play nicely, I've tried installing the controller app though adb with necessary lib for the controller recently but had an issue with an incompatible user. I looked through the file that has all of that info Haven't had a ton of time to flip between stock/cm and progress any more than that.
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Tbh, I think we're lucky to have the roms that are currently being developed. The SHIELD isn't exactly the most popular tablet and with the Nexus coming everyones gonna jump on that. The roms we have now are pretty darn decent and the dev's are doin good work. We shouldn't rush them or ask more from them, and the tablets still fairly new. I'm sure by the end of the year we'll have plenty of things to play with, hopefully a good kernel as well!

What ROM's are you interested in?

Close to stock but ability to over clock, some more mods, improvement in audio. Maybe a way to improve GPU performance.
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Close to stock but ability to over clock, some more mods, improvement in audio. Maybe a way to improve GPU performance.
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Spot on.
I'd love to be able to use themes too, but that means a fully working CM on top of all that.
I don't think it's going to happen

kickassdave said:
Spot on.
I'd love to be able to use themes too, but that means a fully working CM on top of all that.
I don't think it's going to happen
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The CM port is pretty darn close to perfect aside from Touch not working after a few hours being locked.

It would be great for someone to make a really customizable ROM for this tablet... but for some reason I just don't see it happening

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The CM port is pretty darn close to perfect aside from Touch not working after a few hours being locked.
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Close but no cigar!
None of the Nvidia apps work, and I'm guessing that's why most people even got this tablet!
Just encountered the freeze on the latest Carbon too.

joshuabg said:
What ROM's are you interested in?
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In truth, my Droid MAXX has ruined me for ROMS because it's basically stock.
If we could get like an optimized kernel with over clock, I would be super happy.
Now that I've been that guy, I just want to say thank you for the recoveries and all your work. It's super awesome.

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The CM port is pretty darn close to perfect aside from Touch not working after a few hours being locked.
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That's a problem even on stock.
There's a slight chance I might take a crack at a kernel with some small fixes (such as my micro idle accounting patch for conservative...), but I can assure you, you'll never see overclock coming from me. Current devices are all thermally limited as it is, overclock is pointless, it just makes you hit the thermal barriers faster. It's also the #1 reason why many OEMs try to voice your warranty the moment you unlock the bootloader.

Entropy512 said:
That's a problem even on stock.
There's a slight chance I might take a crack at a kernel with some small fixes (such as my micro idle accounting patch for conservative...), but I can assure you, you'll never see overclock coming from me. Current devices are all thermally limited as it is, overclock is pointless, it just makes you hit the thermal barriers faster. It's also the #1 reason why many OEMs try to voice your warranty the moment you unlock the bootloader.
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Have to agree too. Overclocking is pointless. Last time I needed it was for my S2 years ago.
I'm buying the controller this weekend and reverting to a stock ROM, I'm guessing at this point I'm in the same position as most owners where unless stock apps can run on AOSP ROMs, I'll be sticking with stock.
Which means my only want then would be a nicely optimised stock ROM, maybe a theme or two and a tweakable (not overclocking) kernel.
And before anyone says it, I do not EXPECT this or demand this, it'd just be nice

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That's a problem even on stock.
There's a slight chance I might take a crack at a kernel with some small fixes (such as my micro idle accounting patch for conservative...), but I can assure you, you'll never see overclock coming from me. Current devices are all thermally limited as it is, overclock is pointless, it just makes you hit the thermal barriers faster. It's also the #1 reason why many OEMs try to voice your warranty the moment you unlock the bootloader.
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You guys are the experts! I'll be happy with whatever I can get.

I just hope that either Nvidia will support the device for a LONG time or we can have some devs that keep supporting the device long into the future. Just in case you guys havnt heard it, Nvidia have said that this device defiantly will be getting android L.

Am I the only one whose gps does not work on custom Roms?!?!!!! All of em gmaps says no gps hardware found. I could probably live with the screen touch issue if GPS worked. Need it for Ingress ?

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That's a problem even on stock.
There's a slight chance I might take a crack at a kernel with some small fixes (such as my micro idle accounting patch for conservative...), but I can assure you, you'll never see overclock coming from me. Current devices are all thermally limited as it is, overclock is pointless, it just makes you hit the thermal barriers faster. It's also the #1 reason why many OEMs try to voice your warranty the moment you unlock the bootloader.
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I just turn off the lockscreen and use Attentive for my lockscreen and I never have that issue. lol.
I agree as well Overclocking is really pointless. A kernel with fastcharge would be nice though.