Have you guys seen this already?
http://rohansood.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/sony-ericsson-xperia-ultimate-concept-emerges/
Could it be true?
For me, in case this is real, it would be another incomplete phone. No Xenon flash and no support for SD card, for example. However, the brushed case looks kinda cool.
Edit: Running Android 2.4, well, that would be another good feature.
oh my wow... nice phone
i'll be honest.... this kicks arcs ass in terms of looks.... arc's design is awkward......
Damn, that looks nice, especially that metal finish. If this phone is real, i'll buy it!
agree arc design is bit weird,like a guy with extra huge forehead!!!
16 GB is enough i guess,no need for SD Card,not a deal breaker..
but hey AGAIN sony is 1 year late,when rest of the world is going to dual core NOW,they have implemented dual core only in their concept designs which is 2012
future Arc buyers, think again
i'll stick to my x10 till this baby comes out.... arc is fugly..... cant think of any reason anyone will wanna buy it...
Looking for more info., I found another possible new Xperia phone:
http://www.concept-phones.com/tag/xperia-ultima-symphony/
I make clear that these are only concepts and I don't know yet if they have been designed officialy by SE.
Update: ...And one more concept.
http://www.concept-phones.com/?s=xperia+concept
Yeah, these are just concepts made by users.
totalundone said:
Yeah, these are just concepts made by users.
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Well, then Im changing the name of the topic.
caifanX10 said:
Looking for more info., I found another possible new Xperia phone:
http://www.concept-phones.com/tag/xperia-ultima-symphony/
I make clear that these are only concepts and I don't know yet if they have been designed officialy by SE.
Update: ...And one more concept.
http://www.concept-phones.com/?s=xperia+concept
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ugly [email protected]@[email protected]
Like the ultima concept buuuuuuuut.........DONT let Sony fool us again with their support! DONT forget this before even thinking of buying this...besides as mentioned dual core phones are on their way....
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ugly [email protected]@[email protected]
Like the ultima concept buuuuuuuut.........DONT let Sony fool us again with their support! DONT forget this before even thinking of buying this...besides as mentioned dual core phones are on their way....
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I'll guess your first two words aren't for me, but if so, then watch out.
Those are only concepts, but I think the third line of Xperia phones will have a very similar look. Now, if you don't want to buy a new Xperia, it's your decision. Im not trying with this thread to make people believe again in SE, in fact Im against their policies and statements. This topic is just a possibility of what SE phones could expect in the future, that's all. No flamming and no 'whining' please.
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I'll guess your first two words aren't for me, but if so, then watch out.
Those are only concepts, but I think the third line of Xperia phones will have a very similar look. Now, if you don't want to buy a new Xperia, it's your decision. Im not trying with this thread to make people believe again in SE, in fact Im against their policies and statements. This topic is just a possibility of what SE phones could expect in the future, that's all. No flamming and no 'whining' please.
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lol! no offence bro!! I was referring to the link you posted!
and of course you are right! I didn't mean at all to flame or start (again) a fight against SE Sorry if it did come out other than mentioned!
Hanzo.Hasashi said:
lol! no offence bro!! I was referring to the link you posted!
and of course you are right! I didn't mean at all to flame or start (again) a fight against SE Sorry if it did come out other than mentioned!
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Thanks for making it clear
Back to the topic... If SE designs a phone like any of those concepts with good hardware specs and Android 2.3/2.4, I'll buy one for sure. The Xperia Ultima concept looks fine, elegant and I like it, totally better than Arc
Doesn't say anything about not having a xenon flash? And looks like a genuine SE concept..
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That whole site if full of SE concepts - atleast the 1st page is full of them.
That symphony either has a huge camera or is a tiny phone... but both the ultimas would be a real upgrade from this phone. No half step arc bologna.
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this will be the upgrade for xperia play users, once sony stops the support.
Iceman xenon flash suck try it in the dark
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I´ll never trust in SE again.
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Courtesy of HDBlog http://bitsnacker.com/index.php/201...oming-xperia-arc-gingerbread-handset#item_121
Must say i do like it, seems much faster but after being on my 2nd handset with the x10 and still trying to get it replaced sony's customer service has put me off buying another handset from them, its a shame it does look a nice phone. Not really bothered about the late update nonsense but i'm sure they will improve this after last year
just wondering how much of this new UI on SE apps we will get in the UXP update
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[...]just wondering how much of this new UI on SE apps we will get in the UXP update
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I doubt we will see anything from Arc's UXP on our X10. What's more, Arc may be a nice phone, however the support given by Sony for X10 is just pathetic, that's not how you treat your very first Android product. My next "Green Phone" won't be Sony, that's for sure.
Wish you good luck with Arc guys (for those who will decide to buy it)!
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I doubt we will see anything from Arc's UXP on our X10. What's more, Arc may be a nice phone, however the support given by Sony for X10 is just pathetic, that's not how you treat your very first Android product. My next "Green Phone" won't be Sony, that's for sure.
Wish you good luck with Arc guys (for those who will decide to buy it)!
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First thing i would need is to be able to switch the buttons on the arc. Why in the living H-bomb would they put the back button on the opposite side. OMFG why.
Good video anyways, got to see most of the features. if you can call them features
I would want one, but, no front-facing camera in this day and age makes me kinda sad.
Hmmm. I still have a year on contract with Docomo anyway, by then, the PlayStation phone will be out!
They are still a little behind in the hardware side aswell, its basically the same hardware as the x10, most handets this year will be dual core etc desire HD 700mb ram they have just added more to the x10 to bring it up to 512 which tbh should have been in the first place
There's an Arc forum already, so posting something related to that new phone in the proper forum would be better
may do was really about the possible upgrades for us
You can post this in the new Xperia Arc forum.
I think some of the devs will port the Arc rom to the X10, then we'll have the new things.
I just want the picture and music widgets...
Forget the arc's rom I want pure naked froyo. I don't see how anyone can say no to vanilla froyo.
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Im sure the drivers may be able to be used for vanilla 2.3 off the arc for us? maybe
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Im sure the drivers may be able to be used for vanilla 2.3 off the arc for us? maybe
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Unlikely. Don't think SE is just going to give it away. This is SE we're talking about... :s
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I see why they are releasing the Xperia play, but im not so sure on the neo, pro and arc as they are all basically the same phone with a different case! They have definitely learnt fro the x10 customers though i think
There's a contest on Facebook to win one of ten Play's a month early. I think I'd rather play Farmville though.
Just been looking at the specs of the Neo and Pro.. The pro has more of a "business" market to it.. I'm not a huge fan of slide out keyboards, but a lot of people are..
The Neo seems to be a slightly smaller version of the Arc, but with the added benefit of a front facing camera...
I think I'd be torn between the Arc and the Neo.. would have to get both in my hand to see which one is best for me.
lol probably get released with 2.1 and then get froyo a year later when everyone else is already on android 3.0...
Fk SE, I love my x10 but I wouldn't buy another one of their phones
Fck SE, with XDA I can have whatever I want!
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lol probably get released with 2.1 and then get froyo a year later when everyone else is already on android 3.0...
Fk SE, I love my x10 but I wouldn't buy another one of their phones
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Students, if you look on to your left, you'll see a troll behind the glass...oh sorry, I thought it was a museum
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Fck SE, with XDA I can have whatever I want!
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agree!!
even with SCE support SE SUCKS!!!!!!
unknown13x +1.. unhealthy.. Would be interesting to hear SE's upgrade strategy for the new range though.. and a likely time line from OS release from Google to upgraded OS from SE.. if they've really leaned from the X10 then they'll have made it real easy to upgrade.. to stay ahead of the game.
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Students, if you look on to your left, you'll see a troll behind the glass...oh sorry, I thought it was a museum
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And if you look to your right, you'll see a company shill that pretends to leak huge news to help the community, but really only promotes moving on to newer company offerings.
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I see why they are releasing the Xperia play, but im not so sure on the neo, pro and arc as they are all basically the same phone with a different case! They have definitely learnt fro the x10 customers though i think
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The "neo" is the vivaz 2 ^^
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R.I.P. Sony Ericsson!
Samsung is going 3 steps further with super amoled plus, 8.4mm thickness and dual core processor, after all these the Xperia Arc seems for childs to play! Sad..
lol probably get released with 2.1 and then get froyo a year later when everyone else is already on android 3.0...
Fk SE, I love my x10 but I wouldn't buy another one of their phones
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Fck SE, with XDA I can have whatever I want!
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And if you look to your right, you'll see a company shill that pretends to leak huge news to help the community, but really only promotes moving on to newer company offerings.
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Please grow up and be mature, do not spam this thread with your useless comments.
If you have anything to discuss about those product do use as long as it's not off-topic. Otherwise go somewhere is
There will be MASSIVE trolls tonight...straight up
Regarding its update, it's actually on another stage of development already...You'll hear some good news in April
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There will be MASSIVE trolls tonight...straight up
Regarding its update, it's actually on another stage of development already...You'll hear some good news in April
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Quick question though, are they planning to release the 2.4 soon?
as far as I know it will be the same as the 2.3 but with dual-core apps support
Can't blame them if they won't though, Google just release 2.3 is December and they already are planning to release 2.4 in April :S
They have to slow down honestly, with this rate, they'll be out of OS names soon
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Quick question though, are they planning to release the 2.4 soon?
as far as I know it will be the same as the 2.3 but with dual-core apps support
Can't blame them if they won't though, Google just release 2.3 is December and they already are planning to release 2.4 in April :S
They have to slow down honestly, with this rate, they'll be out of OS names soon
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April Did you noticed something in the announcement? Neo and pro never mentioned anything about 2.3. All they said is...Gingerbread
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April Did you noticed something in the announcement? Neo and pro never mentioned anything about 2.3. All they said is...Gingerbread
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LoL smart thing to do
Can't wait for them to be released honestly
unknown13x
Hi! Can you tell me what is the hardware difference between Arc and Neo besides screen size and front camera? Wanted to get arc, but now i see that neo is not bad too. Could you? Thanx!
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unknown13x
Hi! Can you tell me what is the hardware difference between Arc and Neo besides screen size and front camera? Wanted to get arc, but now i see that neo is not bad too. Could you? Thanx!
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That's about all that's different. If you want to save ALOT of money, go for neo, just a friendly suggestion I'm personally getting the arc soon, though if I have to dish out my money, the neo sold me
So anyone that doesn't agree with you and say "Omg Dizz iz so awesummm" is a troll?
Sorry, but others are allowed to have dissenting opinions, that's a fact of life. Go start an SE fan club if all you want is positive "Sony is da besttt!!11!" comments
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So anyone that doesn't agree with you and say "Omg Dizz iz so awesummm" is a troll?
Sorry, but others are allowed to have dissenting opinions, that's a fact of life. Go start an SE fan club if all you want is positive "Sony is da besttt!!11!" comments
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I didn't know opinions allowed here includes profanities In the view of people who use such words can only be viewed in one aspect as I have described. I don't mind people talking with real reasons, and I have accepted many opposing opinions, but to come in and say "F this, F that" IMO doesn't really put up much of a fight...
This news with hurt who buy xperia android phone.., very disappointed..., even galaxi mini with more cheaper than x8 will have gigngerbread from the official samsung.,what the hell with sony.., we only just eclair., never buy sony agains
androidos.in/2011/05/samsung-gingerbread-update-galaxy-s-ace-fit-gio-mini-tab/
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...
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i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...
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Why? well, if their competititors are launching the Ginger even in the low end phones, SE will be left behind in the competition, to keep up they should update theyre low end also.
Well, at least it´s a hope...not that they will.
these noob's from SE....
from today ONLY HTC, great smartphone's with great funcionality, for the same money...
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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No, People already laugh at them cuz we use Custom GingerBread and is Pretty smooth...Stock ginger from SE should be even smoother, but they just won't release it
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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Soooo not true!!! Look at the members here at XDA. Most of us are running 2.2 or 2.3 ROMs smoothly. SE should think more before announcing these stuff.
Maybe I'm not wrote it understandable. I mean under my writing that SE can't change their mind because they stated a thing. I know we've got nice ROMs, but SE stated that it isn't possible... now if they make a 2.3 software, they'll just make ass from their mouth and this will not be good for their prestige.
I hope it is clear now what I'm thinking about, sorry for the inconveniences.
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That reminds me a situation that was something about 50 years ago. An guy from poland told that he can build computer that is smiliar size to case. Noone belived him and he made first small computer - K202. How much of them were produced? Only one. Comunist governement in poland send police to stop production and arest him.
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I change my mind.., this is a good news.., why dont we use this news to attack sony., if they have market strategi ,then we have customer strategi too., attack them with this news link in they forums.., and they other customer with see and with complain too.
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I hope that someone can port this (Clicky) to the X8
That new phone of SE is 2.3.
i really think that SE will change her minds again...at least here in my country we see loads of X8 for sale, or with discount to buy. It's good for them if the population buy their phones but they know already that noone will buy it at the moment if no upgrade for 2.3 is available.
i think that people who really want to wait for a official 2.3 rom from SE just need to wait till that marketing campaign of new xperia line ends. After that they will update all the other phones too. But till then they know that some people will get upset and buy one of the new xperias cause it has 2.3, hd, etc.
I hope that SE bring us some updates as far as the hardwares supports, by the way, I really appreciate the custom roms from devs, and shouldn´t change to stock ones
sony stop support for x8 forever or what?
Officially yes, sadly or not
Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony
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Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony
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don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$
Pff i dont need the official froyo. The froyos from our devs are a lot better even if SE will give us froyo i will stay with custom roms
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don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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i believe that sony developers have see this forum and said "ow great, i will stop developing software for x8" or said "ow great, i will fix the cm7's problem for x8, and release for official gingerbread x8"
It is a fact, that the custom ROMs made by the devs here are a lot better in any aspect, than that of sony... I just need to look at my battery gauge... with stock 1 day (if lucky) froyobread lasted for 3 days (and was still ar 25%) So I won't return to stock even if launched .
A more up to date kernel would be appreciated though
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.
custom roms are lighted versions or originals.. useless stuff is deleted.. so that's good if talking about 2.2.. but about 2.3 dev's need to deal with camera and radio problems....(about radio,never mind )
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I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .
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Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .
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+1 mate, look at my signature.
but I am planning to buy Xperia ARC as my last SE phone.
well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...
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well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...
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Don't even mention Samsungs android phones... I've changed to X8 after Galaxy Spica... It really is horrible as stock, but far better with custom roms, but even because of the sh*tty drivers, kernels and everything, it is bad... But id had many buttons
I'm not disappointed in X8 (with custom rom of course, the stock s*cks like hell), with froyobread it is a very nice phone
i'm using froyobread and eclair 2.1 update 1 both ,
Exactly, with custom roms, who needs sony?, theyll probably forgot about the X8 and are working on the X16, I mean I just got the phone, SE lemme use it for a whole year, support it, update it, and then Ill think about changing it, but no, everyday new sh!t comes out!!!!
I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs
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Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.
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Iam a die hard SE fan and i know they made some mistakes but new line up aint bad.i love Xperia ray
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I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs
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I don't think it is because of that. Phone developers want to sell, that's why they release 1 update per phone, so that people keep buying the new ones
Today i woke up and checked my mail. I got this mail from my freind in sweden. Hi again Sondre. I got som bad news. Sony Ericsson is no more. Sony bought them out. Which makes our phones a bit "different".
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personally i see this as good news, now sony can properly integrate there features together (im looking at you playstation brand)
silvacrest said:
personally i see this as good news, now sony can properly integrate there features together (im looking at you playstation brand)
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I disagree. Sony have confirmed they will not be using Android on there devices in the future.
SondreVAIO... Stop posting 1001 threads about the same damn thing. You've done this multiple times with multiple topics.
source? they will be using around and windows mobile and said that while unlikely they may persue buying palm OS from HP.
however this deal does not go through until early 2012 so expect business as usual.
my source...my uncle who works for S.E in sweden
I think I am going to get a Samsung next time I get a new smartphone, If Sony confirmed there not using Android.
I don't know if I'm gonna like this unless it means more big budget titles come to the Xperia PLAY.
Sony's got a long streak going for dip**** decisions, poor marketing and absolutely dreadful ad campaigns. SE's Kristen Schaal ads for the Xperia PLAY were easily better than any of that garbage Sony tried to market the PS3 with.
who needs sony we have our own comunity here we will build our own ultimate rom if sony leave us in a pit.
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I disagree. Sony have confirmed they will not be using Android on there devices in the future.
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Source for this? I know the Vita won't use Android, but it would make sense for them to do it for cellular and tablet devices...
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who needs sony we have our own comunity here we will build our own ultimate rom if sony leave us in a pit.
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Unless you have an r800x then, like me sadly, you need sony to release some kernel sources for your device, which may never happen, so in some way I agree with you because Im sure a dev in this community will figure the lil ol' r800x out sooner or later
If sony drops android though I will more then likely go back to Droid line up , Im seeing Droid 4 on Lte kinda tempting
But at the same time Im enjoying the challenge of my r800x, it will be defeated!
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I don't know if I'm gonna like this unless it means more big budget titles come to the Xperia PLAY.
Sony's got a long streak going for dip**** decisions, poor marketing and absolutely dreadful ad campaigns. SE's Kristen Schaal ads for the Xperia PLAY were easily better than any of that garbage Sony tried to market the PS3 with.
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I second that. I'm a bit worried too. Indeed Sony has a history of making very very bad decisions by trying to go their own way and fail.
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I disagree. Sony have confirmed they will not be using Android on there devices in the future.
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well....your gonna have to show a link for that, SE mentioned a while ago that 80% of there revenue came from their android phones, why would they jump ship now?
in fact i got a quaot for you from engadget:
"Update: Sony president and CEO Sir Howard Stringer has just addressed the media on the proposed buyout and confirmed that the company will indeed move away from feature phones, as previously stated. This effectively heralds the death of the Walkman line and the dawn of Sony's exclusively Android era, though Stringer's not ruling out the possibility of bringing another OS on board. When asked whether his firm would consider buying webOS, the exec said simply, "Never say never."
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Source for this? I know the Vita won't use Android, but it would make sense for them to do it for cellular and tablet devices...
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Engadget. go read.
Engadget seems to prove you wrong...
Ok here is a source
never mind what I said earlier, But it is important to give a source so that it doesn't cause any confusion.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/27/idUS69098+27-Oct-2011+HUG20111027
RacecarBMW said:
For the millionth time. THIS IS JUST A RUMOR.
UNLESS YOU HAVE A SOURCE TO BACK THAT UP!
yes that was in caps on purpose.
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If i use your drop box link will you get the extra 250mb an myself aswell ?
Random i know...
216Monster said:
If i use your drop box link will you get the extra 250mb an myself aswell ?
Random i know...
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Yes we both will get an extra 250mb.
Logseman said:
Engadget seems to prove you wrong...
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all i have to say to you is. your an ass.
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Engadget. go read.
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what? are you spreading bad information on purpose or something?
Engadget pretty much says the exact opposite of what your claiming, sony are ditching feature phones and are going 100% into android
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/27/...nt-venture-assumes-ownersh/#comment-347181325
lol, pwned