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I know this might be a touchy topic to start, but I was seriously considering the Milestone 2 before the G-2 was announced. And when I heard that the G2 wasn't even 1GHz, I was pretty set on the Milestone 2. Then the benchmarks came out: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/09/graphics-benchmark-for-g2-shows-it-should-be-blazin/
so now I am super confused.
Milestone 2 - Pros:
1GHz processor (if the Milestone can be OCed to 1GHz, who know what the Milestone2 could be OCed to?!)
Umm....that's all I think
Milestone 2 - Cons:
Locked bootloader (what does this mean exactly? no custom ROMs?)
MotoBLOATware (means slower Android updates)
Same camera as Milestone 1 (seriously...)
Motorola
G-2 - Pros:
HTC
Stock Android
Faster Android updates
Supposed to be good for Android Gingerbread as well
No locked bootloader (more custom ROMs?)
Not Motorola
G-2 - Cons:
800MHz Processor
Didn't perform as well as Droid 2 in stock benchmark tests
Less internal memory (4Gb vs 8Gb) - not a big deal I guess
Hinge design probably means it's easier to break
Does anybody think that the development for the G-2 would be larger than the Milestone 2? Because that would be a huge Pro for the G-2. The G-1 development has lasted for years, and the user base is huge...so I am just going to assume that it would be similar for the G-2.
I'm not going to mention aethetics, because this is very subjective so no point arguing on that front.
So here's my question: Which one should I get?!
Hmm, tough one really.
HTC Camera's are not much better than the ones motorola sticks in them to be honest! The droid has crapware on it and the HTC comes with stock sense.
It seems the processor performance is near identical, in real world application use atleast so thats a non-issue i.e. when one beomces outdated, so will the other.
In terms of mod community, the HTC phone is likely to get much more support on this website, simply because the majority of people here are HTC users or past HTC users.
The Milestone seems a bit more manly, rough and the HTC looks more refined IMHO.
Personally, I'd go the G2 if I wanted as much modding as possible. HTC has a much more open policy on the topic and no locked bootloaders (efuse etc).
At the end of the day, its your decision
Have a play with both phones and pick the one you feel looks better. A good question to ask is:
I know they both look nice now, but which one will look worse for wear (paint peeling, scratching etc)
yeah, I was leaning a little more towards the G-2 due to the massive potential of modding/custom ROMs available. And i'm also quite sure that the G-2 will become the new platform for development, much like the G-1 was.
The 800MHz still bugs me though...considering that Qualcomm has new chipsets that are supposed to be able to go up to 1.2/3GHz whilst also running a GPU chip. I wouldn't wait until dual-cores because apparently that won't happen until next year (probably late next year).
HTC are supposed to be doing a pretty major announcement in London on the 15th September (so we'll hear about it on the 16th)...so hopefully that might shed some light on it. Of course, if the G-2 is the only QWERTY option, then that would probably limit our choices.
...if only they had made that a 1GHz processor...
I wouldnt rate the 1ghz feature that highly. Perhaps 800 mhz is an underclock to enhance battery life. After all, the benchmarks say performance is on par with the top phones.
99.9999% guaranteed that you'll be able to overclock the G2 to at least 1ghz
IMO the onlything that the M2 has over the G2 is how far u can OC the processor. those A8's can go far.
I dunno. clock speed is overrated. you don't know what performs better in the real world until you see some benchmarks.
That's true. Apperantly I read that a 800mhz Droid 1 performs on par with a n1. The a8 can be oc to all hell.
I definately am a fan of TI chips. They are mighty strong and it always seemed that they always had a leg up on qualcomm. I hope qualcomm stomps everyone with some massive processor that'll make the hummingbird cry
The g2 is under-clocked according to the press release.
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The g2 is under-clocked according to the press release.
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I heard. At the end of the day a underclocked processor that runs as fast as a snapdragon and wastes less power is a win in my book!
I have read that the ARM procs are better with GPUs and for overclocking - just look at the Milestone 1. The Droid 2 was still benchmarked as the best (but only just over the G-2) and it's potential for OCing was what swayed me that way.
But now that these new Qualcomm chipsets have a separate GPU that seem to be able to compete with the best in benchmarking - it's hard to say.
If the G-2 can be OCed, then that would be awesome...but then, the Milestone 2 is also about 99% sure to be OCed...as I'm sure previous Milestone 1 owners will be screaming for it as soon as they get their hands on the new one.
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I have read that the ARM procs are better with GPUs and for overclocking - just look at the Milestone 1. The Droid 2 was still benchmarked as the best (but only just over the G-2) and it's potential for OCing was what swayed me that way.
But now that these new Qualcomm chipsets have a separate GPU that seem to be able to compete with the best in benchmarking - it's hard to say.
If the G-2 can be OCed, then that would be awesome...but then, the Milestone 2 is also about 99% sure to be OCed...as I'm sure previous Milestone 1 owners will be screaming for it as soon as they get their hands on the new one.
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Im confused. I thought the nexus had a seperate gpu?
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Im confused. I thought the nexus had a seperate gpu?
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as far as I know, it does, but either the GPU isn't fully utilized in the use of Android or it's just a underpowered - just see the benchmarking results on the previous page that I posted, the Milestone 2 and G-2 smoke the N1 (which is expected, since the N1 is much older)
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I know this might be a touchy topic to start, but I was seriously considering the Milestone 2 before the G-2 was announced. And when I heard that the G2 wasn't even 1GHz, I was pretty set on the Milestone 2. Then the benchmarks came out: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/09/graphics-benchmark-for-g2-shows-it-should-be-blazin/
so now I am super confused.
Milestone 2 - Pros:
1GHz processor (if the Milestone can be OCed to 1GHz, who know what the Milestone2 could be OCed to?!)
Umm....that's all I think
Milestone 2 - Cons:
Locked bootloader (what does this mean exactly? no custom ROMs?)
MotoBLOATware (means slower Android updates)
Same camera as Milestone 1 (seriously...)
Motorola
G-2 - Pros:
HTC
Stock Android
Faster Android updates
Supposed to be good for Android Gingerbread as well
No locked bootloader (more custom ROMs?)
Not Motorola
G-2 - Cons:
800MHz Processor
Didn't perform as well as Droid 2 in stock benchmark tests
Less internal memory (4Gb vs 8Gb) - not a big deal I guess
Hinge design probably means it's easier to break
Does anybody think that the development for the G-2 would be larger than the Milestone 2? Because that would be a huge Pro for the G-2. The G-1 development has lasted for years, and the user base is huge...so I am just going to assume that it would be similar for the G-2.
I'm not going to mention aethetics, because this is very subjective so no point arguing on that front.
So here's my question: Which one should I get?!
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Well If I made the list I would make it more like this:
Droid 2
Pro's:
-More high res screen (854*480 vs 800*480, both on a 3.7" screen)
-8 Gigs internal storage (4 gb more than G2)
-1 Ghz TI 45nm processor (likely to overclock fairly well)
-1 oz lighter
Con's:
-MotoCRAP software (look at the scrolling on any phone with blur from the cliq to droid x and tell me it doesn't feel slow)
-keyboard lacking comparing it to the G2
-locked bootloader (harder to develop roms for, root still possible though)
-CDMA (yeah it sucks.... that's why noone outside the US uses it...)
G2
Pro's:
-Better screen (S-TFT lcd vs regular lcd on the droid/2; brighter, more contrast, better power consumption)
-720P camcoder at 30FPS
-Adreno205 GPU(4X better graphics than previous snapdragons)
-800 Mhz MSM7230 45nm (this shows it was designed to run at 1 Ghz, but underclocked to save battery. Similar to the MSM7201A on the G1, designed for 528 Mhz but only runs at 385 Mhz unmodified; should at least be overclockable to 1.13 or more)
-better keyboard (WWW.\.COM BUTTON? HELL YEAH!)
-HSPA+ (who doesn't want 14 MB/s DL?)
-GSM (gsm is always better....)
-likely to receive updates rapidly (no promises though, look at the 3 months it took motorola to update to 2.1 on their "google experience" device)
-New sturdy Z-hinge design
Con's:
-ummm.......
Yeah so what if the droid 2 gets an extra 3 frames (58 vs 61)... Your eye can only detect 50FPS unless you're a combat pilot or a sniper with trained eyesight. Besides that both phone's have pretty identical specs, including 512 mb ram, 2.2, 10 hrs talk time, etc. My vote is definately towards the g2, but don't get me wrong both are beasts of a phone. Also I wouldn't expect to see any dual core's until maybe next summer. Think about it: Qualcomm released the original snapdragon in Nov 2008, but it wasn't until Dec 2009 that a phone implemented it (LG Expo). The dual core qualcomm chips come out next month, so it should be 6 months-a year before they come out.
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Well If I made the list I would make it more like this:
Droid 2
Pro's:
-More high res screen (854*480 vs 800*480, both on a 3.7" screen)
-8 Gigs internal storage (4 gb more than G2)
-1 Ghz TI 45nm processor (likely to overclock fairly well)
-1 oz lighter
Con's:
-MotoCRAP software (look at the scrolling on any phone with blur from the cliq to droid x and tell me it doesn't feel slow)
-keyboard lacking comparing it to the G2
-locked bootloader (harder to develop roms for, root still possible though)
-CDMA (yeah it sucks.... that's why noone outside the US uses it...)
G2
Pro's:
-Better screen (S-TFT lcd vs regular lcd on the droid/2; brighter, more contrast, better power consumption)
-720P camcoder at 30FPS
-Adreno205 GPU(4X better graphics than previous snapdragons)
-800 Mhz MSM7230 45nm (this shows it was designed to run at 1 Ghz, but underclocked to save battery. Similar to the MSM7201A on the G1, designed for 528 Mhz but only runs at 385 Mhz unmodified; should at least be overclockable to 1.13 or more)
-better keyboard (WWW.\.COM BUTTON? HELL YEAH!)
-HSPA+ (who doesn't want 14 MB/s DL?)
-GSM (gsm is always better....)
-likely to receive updates rapidly (no promises though, look at the 3 months it took motorola to update to 2.1 on their "google experience" device)
-New sturdy Z-hinge design
Con's:
-ummm.......
Yeah so what if the droid 2 gets an extra 3 frames (58 vs 61)... Your eye can only detect 50FPS unless you're a combat pilot or a sniper with trained eyesight. Besides that both phone's have pretty identical specs, including 512 mb ram, 2.2, 10 hrs talk time, etc. My vote is definately towards the g2, but don't get me wrong both are beasts of a phone. Also I wouldn't expect to see any dual core's until maybe next summer. Think about it: Qualcomm released the original snapdragon in Nov 2008, but it wasn't until Dec 2009 that a phone implemented it (LG Expo). The dual core qualcomm chips come out next month, so it should be 6 months-a year before they come out.
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Well technically the Milestone 2 is a GSM device, not CDMA, but the other points are quite good.
However, don't forget that the Milestone 2 can also OC...so the two are comparable in that sense.
Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...
I too am facing the same decision soon. I love my Desire, but I will never buy a keyboardless phone again, and will chop it in for one of these two as soon as I can.
I was leaning more towards the Milestone 2 as it looks badass in my opinion, and there is no major difference in the specs. That was til I read up about locked bootloaders, and the fact that Milestone 1 owners are still on Android 2.1 and Motorola just doesn't give a sh*t about the numerous bugs the phone has.
Just a quick search around forums/Facebook Motorola Europe page etc, shows how unhappy Milestone 1 owners are with Motorola. Page after page of people saying "I will NEVER buy Motorola again" and literally begging Motorola to unlock the bootloader before abandoning the phone (all met with a deafening silence from Motorola) does turn me off of the Milestone 2. Motorola won't fix the phone and won't give their customers the tools to fix it themselves, so as far as I'm concerned I'm not going to spend £400-500 to put myself in that same position with the Milestone 2.
On the HTC side of things, they do make attempts to stop people modding their phones, but have not yet gone as far as locking the bootloader, and every HTC phone has been compromised. I fully expect this to be the case with the G2/Desire Z (Desire Z - what a sh*t name!), and the phone WILL get a lot of dev support, no question.
Ultimately, I believe there is no choice for me: pain with Motorola, or fun with HTC/XDA devs!
I'm still not sure about the hinge action, nor do I like the looks of the G2 particularly, I think it's going to turn out to be a bit of a fat chunker! Still, I go for personality and functionality in my phone rather than looks, otherwise I'd have an iPhone! It's also a crying shame that HTC went with a 4 row rather than 5 row keyboard.... And one final request please HTC - make sure that screen is full multitouch please! Oh, and I have heard this bad-boy is going to have stock Android with HTC Sense widgets - that's all well and good, but what I'm interested in is the Sense Dialer. And the Sense browser text selection please - I want that available everywhere on the phone, please!
Uh oh - just read the G2 has just 1300maH battery.
HTC, what is this twattery? I don't want to go backwards with battery size! Yes I know, more efficient processor, blah blah, lower clock speed, yadda yadda - but I don't give a monkey's!
A smaller battery in a bigger handset than the original Desire is not good enough in my mind. The G2 is going to be a brick anyway - why not add 5mm to the length and give us an extra 200-300maH? Or perhaps if you'd used a more standard slider action then you could've fitted a beefier battery in there :-(
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Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...
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It's true, but the next version Android Gingerbread adds it, which is where handsets with weaker gpus will begin to struggle. Running AOSP means that it will get updates at the same speed of the Nexus one.
However, the Clove spec for the Desire Z has it as a Sense device. This is backed up with the earlier screenshot of the Desire Z with the default sense wallpaper, and the name (why would they give it Desire branding if it didn't have Sense?). So there's a chance they'll put in the 8X55 which is the 1ghz of the same processor, but doesn't support HSPA+ (which isn't in the UK). So we'd gain 200mhz in return for Sense and an uglier handset colour scheme.
UK HTC event is tomorrow, so we should find out then.
Adreno205 GPU, 4X better graphics than previous snapdragons.
I think it's the only one that has hardware accelerated Adobe Flash support.
I remember seeing Milestone 2 and other android phones reviews, reviewers said phone would literally crawl when browsing flash enabled websites.
So maybe that feature will make a big difference?
I think I've decided: G2
setspeed said:
Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...
I too am facing the same decision soon. I love my Desire, but I will never buy a keyboardless phone again, and will chop it in for one of these two as soon as I can.
I was leaning more towards the Milestone 2 as it looks badass in my opinion, and there is no major difference in the specs. That was til I read up about locked bootloaders, and the fact that Milestone 1 owners are still on Android 2.1 and Motorola just doesn't give a sh*t about the numerous bugs the phone has.
Just a quick search around forums/Facebook Motorola Europe page etc, shows how unhappy Milestone 1 owners are with Motorola. Page after page of people saying "I will NEVER buy Motorola again" and literally begging Motorola to unlock the bootloader before abandoning the phone (all met with a deafening silence from Motorola) does turn me off of the Milestone 2. Motorola won't fix the phone and won't give their customers the tools to fix it themselves, so as far as I'm concerned I'm not going to spend £400-500 to put myself in that same position with the Milestone 2.
On the HTC side of things, they do make attempts to stop people modding their phones, but have not yet gone as far as locking the bootloader, and every HTC phone has been compromised. I fully expect this to be the case with the G2/Desire Z (Desire Z - what a sh*t name!), and the phone WILL get a lot of dev support, no question.
Ultimately, I believe there is no choice for me: pain with Motorola, or fun with HTC/XDA devs!
I'm still not sure about the hinge action, nor do I like the looks of the G2 particularly, I think it's going to turn out to be a bit of a fat chunker! Still, I go for personality and functionality in my phone rather than looks, otherwise I'd have an iPhone! It's also a crying shame that HTC went with a 4 row rather than 5 row keyboard.... And one final request please HTC - make sure that screen is full multitouch please! Oh, and I have heard this bad-boy is going to have stock Android with HTC Sense widgets - that's all well and good, but what I'm interested in is the Sense Dialer. And the Sense browser text selection please - I want that available everywhere on the phone, please!
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waiting to see what new things HTC has "dreamt" up for their announcement of the 15th (in London)...but I don't expect things to be any different than what we know now.
yes, the battery is a crying shame, but tbh I charge my phone every night ever since I got my blackstone...and I also have a car charger...but it would still be nice to have a phone that would last more than 2 days.
I'm not sure I fully understand the bootloader stuff...I've seen youtube videos of people running something called a "Bugless Beast" ROM on an OCed Milestone 1....but I agree, Motorola are pretty bad with customer service and post-sales support. HTC, on the other hand, are pretty happy to turn a blind eye to the modding community - as all Android manufacturers should..since Android is technically an opensource platform.
Oh..also...I don't really care about the name Desire Z, lol.....just a name. They could call it "The Loser Phone" and I'd still probably get it
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
Sent from my Sexy Nexy One using XDA App.
Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
Root it and provide system dumps
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
tuan209 said:
I just bought one out right with no contract, and I will see how I like it for the next few days.
First impression is that its def a finger magnet. Overall, the phone is much snappier than my OC N1 running Rod's latest MIUI ROM. Gingerbread has some nice improvements but I am already missing the MIUI slide screen. Someone please port it over ASAP .
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
More on the phone as I continue to use it.....
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Would love to know more about the VOIP integration.
GHOST99K said:
Should've waited for a dual core-core android by HTC.just saying...
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There is always something to wait for. I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking. If dual cores are a big deal 6 months from now I will sell the Nexus S and trade up.
Mokurex said:
Yea, it's nice, but where am i gonna dig up $529?
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Sell your N1, then you will only have to come up with $150-$180.
dskyers said:
I just jumped ship from nexus one one to nexus s I love it you will too... its nice people ...
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So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
Mactagonist said:
I have never found the single core on my N1 to be lacking, so I highly doubt I will find the significantly faster single core in my Nexus S lacking.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
wondercoolguy said:
So?
This needs to be moved to the Nexus S forum
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Seriously! Take it over there...
SoberGuy said:
I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
Seriously! Take it over there...
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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@soberguy Well another point to the single core issue is not things that are taking place right now but things that are taking place over the next year. Developers are going to start making high thing that will require dual core for maxium performace. Also.....where are the moderators to move this
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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I don't think the Hummingbird is "significantly faster" than Snapdragon. Sammy has better GPU performance, which is what is mostly noticed. Both are clocked at 1GHz. I do believe Hummingbird performs slightly better than Snapdragon (can't recall why I have that belief, though), but when comparing strictly processor performance, it's minimal. The GPU is the big difference.
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It is hard to know until you have both GalaxyS/2.2 with NexusS/2.3 running side by side, as they have the same CPU/GPU combination and the only difference is the OS.
It could well be that 2.3 uses the GPU for something what 2.2 was doing with CPU alone. And this could turn out as the biggest difference.
I am sure that N1 GPU as such is plenty fast enough, as it is used by the most of the current WP7 phones. Nobody seems to be complaining about the "jerkiness" of the WP7 interface. It is actually a matter of the time and effort sank into UI and the underlying graphics drivers. As a consequence, it can also happen, that N1 graphics drivers get less optimized as the ones in NS. We will see.
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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Oh no trust me, you and I agree. I'm not getting the S with dual core around the corner. I think it's a complete waste of money. The S has some advantages over the 1, but to me, they aren't worthwhile with dual core coming very, very soon.
I just wanted to point out that Hummingbird and Snapdragon are both 1GHz, and I don't think that Hummingbird is significantly faster than Snapdragon. GPU is a different story; we all know that has been HTC's achilles heel for some time now (go back to their WinMo days and the driver fiasco...).
You and I agree, bud. The S isn't worth it, and this thread is in the wrong damn forum.
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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actually the cpu on the snapdragon is faster for computational tasks thanks to its FPU. hummingbird is on par to much slower in terms of computations (its linpack is like 14 lol)
the gpu is what separates the hummingbird from the snapdragon which is why hummingbirds seem better due to its overall performance
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Excellent post, Sir. I always had the impressions, for some reason, that Hummingbird was a touch better, but the GPU made it really excel. It's great to hear that Snapdragon is actually a bit better, but is in fact held back due to the GPU. This makes me reconsider my next purchase significantly. I was thinking of holding off on HTC, as they'll continue to use Qualcom. Perhaps I'll stick with HTC, depending on when they have a dual core available for AT&T frequencies.
Ima gonna puke with all this crap about nexus s. It sucks people its made by samsung. Plastic shell cheap ****. Gps problems will come out soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it! It's a galaxy s phone so I won't be surprised if tons of **** is wrong with it. Get the new LG phone instead or muizu m9
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norazi said:
Even if dual core “around the corner” I honestly don’t think we will see optimized software for at least 6 months.... Look at the desktop computing world.. It took nearly a year for dual core to make a difference back when it was intel core solo vs core duo (or amd64 vs X2)... The software just took a lil longer to catch up. Even now, its taking awhile for a quad core to be worth it over a dual core
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But that was the first time people had seen dual core on any device. Now it's been around a while and people know what they are dealing with.
mac208x said:
soon and u ppl will be crying why I brought it!
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Hopefully they cry on the nexus s forum.....
So, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the only mention of dual core in a device that I've seen is the new Motorola Stingray tablet they were using to show off Maps 5. I don't even think Ginger supports Dual core. I honestly don't think we'll see anything dual core until Honeycomb.
Is there really any reason for NEEDING a dual-core processor in your phone? The only reason I can see for having it is to brag about it.
tuan209 said:
The screen, while being the S-AMOLED, isnt a night and day difference from the N1 screen.
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Must be worse than the screen on the SGS then as the SGS I had had a clearly far better screen than the N1.
If this is true it's a bit of a kick in the balls to you HD owners...
http://pocketnow.com/android/galaxy-s-2-desire-hd2-desire-2-wildfire-2-full-specs-leaked
8GB internal memory
960x540 resolution
1.2GHz dual core 8260 Snapdragon processor
Mobile technology is always moving forward at an incredible rate. That's why you should always opt for 12 month contacts or buy SIM free keep for a year, sell & upgrade.
These specs look pretty good for the DHD2.
I agree, but if you've just upgraded in the last few weeks this is going to hurt...
Certainly, if you've just ordered or bought the DHD then knowing there will be a better one out will hurt.
I'd be interested to know when it potentially would be released.
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Certainly, if you've just ordered or bought the DHD then knowing there will be a better one out will hurt.
I'd be interested to know when it potentially would be released.
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why would it hurt? htc release a new model every few months, if you have been buying HTC's as long as me you should be used to it, i bought my HTC nike and then the diamond came out, i bought the diamond and they release the HD, blah blah blah, if you buy the Desire HD2 no doubt within a few months a higher spec model will be released
Honestly, the specs aren't that much different!
1080p video recording? meh - and certainly if the 720p recording on the DHD is anything to go by, won't be anything special.
1.2GHz dual core? It's ok I suppose - but DHD does me proud at the moment and as long as I get no lag (and I don't really) then I'm fine with that.
Only real nice thing is the screen - but as we all know - screen specs are highly subject to change in the world of HTC!
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Mobile technology is always moving forward at an incredible rate. That's why you should always opt for 12 month contacts or buy SIM free keep for a year, sell & upgrade
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i completely agree, buy and sell it while it still has decent value and move on to the next one
3.3" screen? Must be a typo.
Still using the Adreno 205... Should have waited for the 220. DHD is supposed to be a flagship line.
Pretty poor, IMHO.
Wow, a lot of people here with a lot of money it would seem!!
If I'd just got the DHD I'd be pissed that this has been announced - fair enough a year after release but less than 6 months?
Well, those are not oficiall ofc and i don`t think sgs will use snapdragoon chips ;o but that qhd screen looks nice
Ahhhhhhhh I hate rumors...& here's why:
"As suspected, the Galaxy S 2 is said to run on a dual-core Qualcomm 8260 1.2GHz processor (not an Orion or Hummingbird, apparently)". Why would Samsung use Qualcomm? Look at the table here to better understand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_sales_leaders_by_year
The RAM is said to be 512...down from 768 Mb. Does that make sense?
Anyway, lets wait & see. MWC is a few days away.
RAWWWWR THE SCREEN IS NOT HD! HD is 1280 x 720 (720p) or 1920 x 1080 (1080p).
960 x 540 is 16:9 widescreen. but not HD. I wish, when specifically talking about screen resolutions, that companies wouldn't just drop "HD" on everything to drum up hype.
As with all technology, what you buy today, will be out of date by the time you have got it home and turned it on. This will always be the case. if you were waiting for the latest bit of kit, you would never buy anything.
I got the Desire, and have upgraded to the DHD. I dont see myself changing phones again for at least 12 months. Unless something really cool comes out
something wrong with this leak
galaxy S2 will never have a snapdrogon, samsung makes their own SOC
as for the dual snapdragon on the htc handsets, well it doesnt make sense either to have the old desire HD adreno 205
dual core snapdragons, gen 3, are coming with adreno 220, its in one chipset
equaly no way desire 2 is coming with the same old CPU/GPU
this is crazy
To be honest if that's the new desire, I'm not impressed. I think this is positive for us dhd users because with the release of this phone they should also release the gingerbread sense to dhd. If they don't it will till be applied by the great minds here at xda.
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something wrong with this leak
galaxy S2 will never have a snapdrogon, samsung makes their own SOC
as for the dual snapdragon on the htc handsets, well it doesnt make sense either to have the old desire HD adreno 205
dual core snapdragons, gen 3, are coming with adreno 220, its in one chipset
equaly no way desire 2 is coming with the same old CPU/GPU
this is crazy
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samsung dont make there own, just like every arm cortex cpu, its made for them by texas instruments, and it's quite conceivable that they would try qualcomm cpu's. as far as computing goes as a whole, its rare for a manufacturer to stick with one h/w company, all the big laptop and pc companies use both intel and AMD cpu's. so its only natural that smartphone manufacturers are sooner or later going to try the same thing
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3.3" screen? Must be a typo.
Still using the Adreno 205... Should have waited for the 220. DHD is supposed to be a flagship line.
Pretty poor, IMHO.
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There is no way you can have MSM8260 and Adreno 205. Ask Qualcomm or just visit their site and read about the 3rd gen chips (something the "professional" mobile reviewers obviously find very difficult - they seem to write more articles than they read ). I personaly don't trust anything that comes from these sites, because their "news" are just rummors and their reviews are always biased on the brand that gives them pre-launch phones (ever wondered why GSMArena never gets HTC units before the launch and always find their phones inferior to Samsung?)
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Wow, a lot of people here with a lot of money it would seem!!
If I'd just got the DHD I'd be pissed that this has been announced - fair enough a year after release but less than 6 months?
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I don't see the problem Technology moves, if you don't want your pride and joy to be out of date in six months don't buy flagship products buy something thats already out of date, yeah if you've just bought a DHD you'd be a little miffed but I am sure if you buy a HD2 within six months something will come along that will blow it away
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Wow, a lot of people here with a lot of money it would seem!!
If I'd just got the DHD I'd be pissed that this has been announced - fair enough a year after release but less than 6 months?
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Pffft i am rather peeved, just gotten me a contract on 3 one plan 35pm for 24 months . . . . . Suppose i'd have to wait now . . . . . when can i upgrade ?
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If this is true it's a bit of a kick in the balls to you HD owners...
http://pocketnow.com/android/galaxy-s-2-desire-hd2-desire-2-wildfire-2-full-specs-leaked
8GB internal memory
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The Samsung/Qualcomm issue does point to this article being nothing more than a rumor, but still, if only a few of the specs can be realised I actually cannot wait for the Desire HD2!!! I had been interested in maybe moving to a Samsung device if these 4.3inch Super Amoled's hit the market, but the superior resolution would have me all over the HTC.
I can see it being a kick in the teeth for some possibly, but there are some of us here who think nothing of buying new phones every few months and shamefully, I am one of those fools!
Cannot wait for MWC.
Regards.
So I’ve had my DHD for a about a year or more now
I still love it even with its limited battery I also have just recently started trying out root access and used my first rom
But I still find myself wanting a new phone & hardware; does anybody else find the recent phones from HTC all much the same with nothing that stands out?
I like HTC Sense its one the of main reasons I got my DHD but I’m considering jumping ship and going for a Galixy Nexus.
I hope HTC come up with something good when they release the first HTC Android 4 phone.
I thought it might be interesting to hear what other members and owners of a DHD are hoping for in your next phone from HTC.
Personally I’m over the CPU/GPU marketing race I find my DHD has more than enough power for the way I use it its IMO very similar to the Megapixel marketing of digital cameras.
I’d personally like to see a shift or segment of the market move into phones that last all day, perhaps with some new battery technologies
What are your thoughts / ideas and & wishes for your next HTC phone after the DHD
Something with a tegra 3 chip. Plus it should sort out the battery life as well. Some of the leaked shots of htcs quad core phones look great so I'll probably stick with them because I've not been let down by my dhd plus the build quality is miles ahead of Samsung and lg. Only Motorola have such durable builds out of the other OEMs but I've always found their software let them down, maybe that'll change with the Google takeover. Anyway this is all talk for another day as my dhd feels as though I'll get at least another 8/9 months out of it without problems
in the next couple weeks im switching to an SII then that should hold me to July when i'll buy whatever the best phone out is or maybe the galaxy nexus
tbh tegra 3 is not a real quad core but a dual core with 4 threads meaning it's faster than tegra 2 but in theory by 25%. You can say that 4 threaded dual core can be equal to a 3 core CPU.
So i believe i'll get something with real quad core processor until then i'll wait for 1-2 years...DHD would work just fine in the meantime.
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tbh tegra 3 is not a real quad core but a dual core with 4 threads meaning it's faster than tegra 2 but in theory by 25%. You can say that 4 threaded dual core can be equal to a 3 core CPU.
So i believe i'll get something with real quad core processor until then i'll wait for 1-2 years...DHD would work just fine in the meantime.
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ill just have to see what phones HTC has released when my contract ends next nov so till then this tough built DHD will do fine
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ill just have to see what phones HTC has released when my contract ends next nov so till then this tough built DHD will do fine
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Yep, exactly my position! Not sure anything is floating my boat at the moment though, would like better battery life but nothing else is screaming out at me. Wont be going with the Samsungs whilst they have the flimsy feel to them, I just like the heft of my DHD in my hand too much
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tbh tegra 3 is not a real quad core but a dual core with 4 threads meaning it's faster than tegra 2 but in theory by 25%. You can say that 4 threaded dual core can be equal to a 3 core CPU.
So i believe i'll get something with real quad core processor until then i'll wait for 1-2 years...DHD would work just fine in the meantime.
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Maybe I've picked it up wrong but that's not what I've read about the tegra 3. From all the PR details the tegra 3 is a genuine quad core with a fifth slave core running at 600 MHz which is the main utility driver with the other four cores kicking in on demand. From all the write ups I've seen this equates to a genuine saving of power on day to day tasks but a real world benefit of double the power of the equivelant dual core. I'll see if I can find some links later as I'm on my phone at the mo and I can't be arsed copy pasting
Man this seems strange....I got my Desire here with 1ghz processor.
My very first PC was the fastest out at the time, with a 120mhz processor and 8mb of RAM & a 1gb hard drive....lol.
But now yuh got dual core 1.5ghz phones and quad cores coming along!!
Wonder what will be about in 50 years time?
Prob HTC Sonic Boom, 55 core super charger x 4 turbo 1,000,000mhz processor
CRAZY how technology seems to whizz along!!!!!
matt
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Man this seems strange....I got my Desire here with 1ghz processor.
My very first PC was the fastest out at the time, with a 120mhz processor and 8mb of RAM & a 1gb hard drive....lol.
But now yuh got dual core 1.5ghz phones and quad cores coming along!!
Wonder what will be about in 50 years time?
Prob HTC Sonic Boom, 55 core super charger x 4 turbo 1,000,000mhz processor
CRAZY how technology seems to whizz along!!!!!
matt
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Won't happen, we'll hit the singularity before then. They reckon it'll be in the next twenty years
I've ordered Samsung GSII, should be delivered by the end of next week.
Still not sure whether I'm going to like it or not. I'm used to sense ROMS.
Let's see
Nokia Lumia 800 or the Galaxy Nexus
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I've ordered Samsung GSII, should be delivered by the end of next week.
Still not sure whether I'm going to like it or not. I'm used to sense ROMS.
Let's see
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You'll love it, its a beautiful phone.
I love sense, I've tried all the roms but always end up back with sense. The only one that's broken that cycle is the beta ics rom going round but none of the others come close in my mind. Even cm7 with go launcher(the best way to go to my mind) is incomparible to HTC sense. Sense is beautiful, no other weather widget is even within touching distance if sense 3 or 3.5 and many other sense features are the same. The only problem for some is the bulk that sense takes, but sense comes fully loaded. You don't need a launcher, don't need a weather app, don't need a anything, its all just there. Problem is android users feel the need to be different more often than not, hence the flashing addiction( trust me I'm one of em) but for the uninitiated or those who just want it to work out of the box sense is the way to go.
But back to the topic, the sgs2 is awesome. My brother. In law has one and I must say its a staggering achievement. Powerful, smooth and a great clean crisp display, plus its in line for one of the first ics OEM updates make it the phone to have to my mind, even in front of the galaxy nexus mainly due to the camera.
You really will not be disappointed
What about HTC Zeta.
Any real news about it other than rumers.
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What about HTC Zeta.
Any real news about it other than rumers.
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium
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Problem with this us HTC aren't planning on release of its new range until march/April do anything before then is pure speculation but that was one of the phones I was alluding to, the other being the htc edge
Yesterday I ordered my Motorola RAZR
I hesitated between Motorola and Google Nexus Prime, but Prime is no Mass Storage ... and only 5MP camera and No Gorilla Glass
Prime is on ISC but Motorola on Gingerbread but he will have an ICS update in January
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Maybe I've picked it up wrong but that's not what I've read about the tegra 3. From all the PR details the tegra 3 is a genuine quad core with a fifth slave core running at 600 MHz which is the main utility driver with the other four cores kicking in on demand. From all the write ups I've seen this equates to a genuine saving of power on day to day tasks but a real world benefit of double the power of the equivelant dual core. I'll see if I can find some links later as I'm on my phone at the mo and I can't be arsed copy pasting
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haha now i can't find the link where i read it. I think you're right because i just read about tegra 3 and it does say that it has got 4 cortex A9 cores and a fifth core running at 600mhz...
i think i got my pc mixed up with tegra 3; recently got a mobility i5 (dual core with 4 threads) lol
Cheers!
Ideally something with a native fedora, realistically probably something i can dual boot
possibly stick to htc ...unless they take a turn for the worse
if android jellybean comes in august or so, by november (when my contract ends) i'll have a htc jellybean phone
I'll be keeping my DHD for another year, by that time AFAIK there should be quad core phones from all brands, I've heard the Samsung Galaxy SIII will be awesome, but a part of me never wants to leave HTC.
Does anyone have other suggestions for late 2012 (let's just assume the world won't end).
well.., for me i can't live without HTC sense, and i love HTC company very much iam using there phones from along time HTC always different and with HTC sense you are unique.
iam thinking to buy HTC EVO 3D, i like this phone but also i love my phone too
Hello XDA! Greetings from Berlin. :highfive:
My name is Johann I'm a Berlin based Electronics Engineer.
You may be wondering why I'm posting here... Right? Well... I'm building my big dream... The fastest ever Android QuadCore tablet based on an Exynos SOC. Yes, the 4412.
Is there anybody here who wants to give me some suggestions?
From now on, my team and I have successfully integrated the SOC, a GPS + BT module, and, an HD Screen.
What would you like to see on a tablet?
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Hello XDA! Greetings from Berlin. :highfive:
My name is Johann I'm a Berlin based Electronics Engineer.
You may be wondering why I'm posting here... Right? Well... I'm building my big dream... The fastest ever Android QuadCore tablet based on an Exynos SOC. Yes, the 4412.
Is there anybody here who wants to give me some suggestions?
From now on, my team and I have successfully integrated the SOC, a GPS + BT module, and, an HD Screen.
What would you like to see on a tablet?
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Isn't that essentially the Note 10.1?
Well first let me say this is the coolest thing i've seen on here, i know nothing about phone/tablet hardware but i know a LOT about computer hardware, since this is a tablet would a laptop GPU work in it? Also if possible you should try and take a 4G antenna from another tablet and put it in here, Also could you give us detailed specs? Like the PPI and such of the screen?
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Isn't that essentially the Note 10.1?
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Mmm... Yes... but the size of the screen will be 8" or 9.7", and, we're building it to never exceed the 159USD as our target price on Bill Of Materials Any suggestion will be appreciated. Thanks for writing!
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Well first let me say this is the coolest thing i've seen on here, i know nothing about phone/tablet hardware but i know a LOT about computer hardware, since this is a tablet would a laptop GPU work in it? Also if possible you should try and take a 4G antenna from another tablet and put it in here, Also could you give us detailed specs? Like the PPI and such of the screen?
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Hi PantechBurstOwner
That's a good idea. We've been researching about the 4G module, and, actually testing it.
The screen we're testing now is an HD 1024x768px, this one is a normal IPS screen (132PPI from LG), but there's a better one comming. I'll update as soon as it arrives here.
For the 4G modem, the main challange is to find a module thin enough to fit on the casing. On the picture attached you can see the left prototype has 3G module in (A 4G one will fit too), and, the right one is much thinner, and, a 4G module doesn't fit
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Hi PantechBurstOwner
That's a good idea. We've been researching about the 4G module, and, actually testing it.
The screen we're testing now is an HD 1024x768px, this one is a normal IPS screen (132PPI from LG), but there's a better one comming. I'll update as soon as it arrives here.
For the 4G modem, the main challange is to find a module thin enough to fit on the casing. On the picture attached you can see the left prototype has 3G module in (A 4G one will fit too), and, the right one is much thinner, and, a 4G module doesn't fit
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I think the dimensions of the nexus 7 is prefect, yours looks a bit more like kindle fire HD, personally not a fan of it but I'd still use it . Also what are your plans for the speakers and GPU?
PantechBurstOwner said:
I think the dimensions of the nexus 7 is prefect, yours looks a bit more like kindle fire HD, personally not a fan of it but I'd still use it . Also what are your plans for the speakers and GPU?
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Thanks for the comments. For the GPU it'll be the ARM's Mali400 MP (4 Cores Version), the same being used by the Galaxy S3. The CPU will be clocked at 1.6GHZ, so it'll be smooth.
Now we're thinking about the Firmware, as our prototype is now running on Stock Android, but my idea is to do something more impressive.
Which firmware would you love to see running on it? Cyanogen?
Cyanogenmod would be great, if it's smaller though (think 7 inches) think Paranoid Android.
What would really differentiate it, would be if you already had a dual boot preinstalled on it with a little taste of everything. i.e. MIUI, CM10, and one more ultra customizable ROM (I suppose CM10) with themes that could be applied straight through the software. I understand this would probably be a pain to do, but it would make your tablet the MOST versatile tablet out there.
Also, consider like Asus, you may want to consider shoving a port on the bottom for a keyboard dock. Big fan of keyboards...
(Yes I understand I'm practically spamming you with ideas and not many of them are possible, nonetheless, lots of ideas are better than none... no?)
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Thanks for the comments. For the GPU it'll be the ARM's Mali400 MP (4 Cores Version), the same being used by the Galaxy S3. The CPU will be clocked at 1.6GHZ, so it'll be smooth.
Now we're thinking about the Firmware, as our prototype is now running on Stock Android, but my idea is to do something more impressive.
Which firmware would you love to see running on it? Cyanogen?
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some magical custom firmware with an awesome name, also whats the specs on the battery?
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Thanks for the comments. For the GPU it'll be the ARM's Mali400 MP (4 Cores Version), the same being used by the Galaxy S3. The CPU will be clocked at 1.6GHZ, so it'll be smooth.
Now we're thinking about the Firmware, as our prototype is now running on Stock Android, but my idea is to do something more impressive.
Which firmware would you love to see running on it? Cyanogen?
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Would you consider a proposal to the cyanogenmod team? It'll be nice to see a highly customizable stock firmware on a tablet..
Big +1
Ain't using separate 4G module too expensive? I don't think there should be any problem in fitting it onboard if you integrate it into one PCB design.
I'd like to see all unused cpu I/Os breaked out into set of pads onboard and documented, like UART, second USB port, I2C bus, FIMC interfaces and so on.
Also, don't get me wrong but if this project doesn't get realised (I really wish it does) - please publish non-NDA documentation. :]
MicroSD, maybe a USB port (unless it's too thick). Sounds pretty siiiick
This goes straight to my Christmas wish list!
But instead of a crippled Cyanogenmod I'd rather see dual-booting to Ubuntu and perhaps some Linaro builds. Staying close to Samsung SGS3 stock, may be a good idea for compatibility issues.
USB3 + HDMI + Front-facing Cam + JTAG over USB support (1149.7, NIDnT) + possibly UART HW debug
But perhaps more importantly, everything should be easily accessible from outside your platform so we can help hacking it back into shape when something goes wrong! Second, make sure we can freely mess with the boot configuration... I'd be happy to help sponsoring the low profile SMT DIP switch for boot config.
If you have space problems you should seriously consider using a quad-core (Krait) Snapdragon S4 Pro (MSM8960T) PoP SoC instead. Because if not, you'll need external modem support. So in your current configuration, what modem are you using? If you use the Intel XMM6260 you'll need a lot more support components, AFAICT, unless their new flagship (XMM7160) has managed even more integration somehow.
Good Luck!
so how long does the battery last? like how many mah or whatever it is lol also what would be cool is dual booting instead of ubuntu dual boot to windows 8, also a built in stand=somuchwin
Exynos 4 going to be outdated soon.
Regardless, I hope this tablet sees the light of day. A tablet that lets you easily install custom ROMs by default has been long overdue.
(Or, yes, an ubuntu tablet, though I'm not sure if even A15 would be fast enough.)
NFC, it HAS TO HAVE NFC dont build it into the back cover, if i were to get this i would paint the back and throw some LED's in it, i cant do that with my nexus 7
Edit: what processor is this?!!!!! http://gyazo.com/b8e91207a4115e1c91b2d0164c52cbc1
Well, this is a great idea First I would consider not using 4G if you don't want to go in an expensive way... I would also consider using Stock Android ROM for the fans out there (like for example with the G Nexus) Processor you can use the powerful one from the Galaxy Note 10.1, but I also like tegra processors.
Subscribing to this thread!
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Edit: what processor is this?!!!!! http://gyazo.com/b8e91207a4115e1c91b2d0164c52cbc1
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It's the "latest" ST-Ericsson NovaThor LP9600 (aka Nova A9600)!
2.5GHz, 28 nm Technology. Dual ARM Cortex-A9 Harvard Superscalar processor core, Multi-layer AHB/AXI bus, ARM TrustZone, ARM NEON SIMD engine, dual-channel LP-DDR2 SD RAM interface, 1080p HDMI, Rogue GPU, 1080p video encode, 1080p video decode, 3D HD video capture and display, QXGA display support, Dual camera support up to 20 Mpixel and 5 Mpixel, USB 2.0
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But because of ST-Ericssons financial troubles, it's unlikely we'll see any full scale production of this chip within the next 6 months...if ever.
What about screen?
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The screen we're testing now is an HD 1024x768px, this one is a normal IPS screen (132PPI from LG), but there's a better one comming. I'll update as soon as it arrives here.
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That's the screen currently its like 8 or 9.7" and he said make suggestions if you can lol
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