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Switch from Hero to Moment?

Okay so my wife's Palm Pre messed up and my upgrades don't come eligible until January. So, I bought a Moment off eBay for her. She doesn't care whether she uses that or my Hero.
I was considering using the Moment. I know of a forum like this to go to so I can mod and root the Moment. But I am not sure if it is better performance wise and battery wise than my Hero.
What do y'all think? Should I keep the Hero or hack into the Moment?
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I have both the hero and the moment and performance wise moment is better. If u go to androidmobilesupport.com they haves really good rom there called keebler and from pics of it it has a higher than stock n1 and htc desire

ubnub82 said:
I have both the hero and the moment and performance wise moment is better.
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I think you are the first Moment owner I have heard say this about ANY phone, let alone the Hero.

Its funny I got my Hero because I had my Moment replaced 4 times, before I refused another! I do agree that stock-stock comparison the Moment seems faster (maybe because of the Sense UI overhead?). The Moment's screen is much nicer as well, and I actually prefer the hardware keyboard! My Hero's battery lasts much longer than the Moment's as well... But all of that is fine and dandy until the Moment starts having CDMA lockups and "Airplane Mode" bugs. That is why my phone was swapped so many times, because Sprint knows its a problem, and came out with the Intercept to cover it.
Just google "Samsung Moment EVDO lockup" and read all about it!

stayclean said:
I think you are the first Moment owner I have heard say this about ANY phone, let alone the Hero.
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Then u probably don't know any1 that goes on sdx or ams. The moment is good and also been OC to 1.0.2 ghz tho it still isn't stable YET.

wackywrz said:
Its funny I got my Hero because I had my Moment replaced 4 times, before I refused another! I do agree that stock-stock comparison the Moment seems faster (maybe because of the Sense UI overhead?). The Moment's screen is much nicer as well, and I actually prefer the hardware keyboard! My Hero's battery lasts much longer than the Moment's as well... But all of that is fine and dandy until the Moment starts having CDMA lockups and "Airplane Mode" bugs. That is why my phone was swapped so many times, because Sprint knows its a problem, and came out with the Intercept to cover it.
Just google "Samsung Moment EVDO lockup" and read all about it!
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Ya I had the lockup but most newer Roms have a lockup fix. If they don't u can find a zip for it

wackywrz said:
Its funny I got my Hero because I had my Moment replaced 4 times, before I refused another! I do agree that stock-stock comparison the Moment seems faster (maybe because of the Sense UI overhead?). The Moment's screen is much nicer as well, and I actually prefer the hardware keyboard! My Hero's battery lasts much longer than the Moment's as well... But all of that is fine and dandy until the Moment starts having CDMA lockups and "Airplane Mode" bugs. That is why my phone was swapped so many times, because Sprint knows its a problem, and came out with the Intercept to cover it.
Just google "Samsung Moment EVDO lockup" and read all about it!
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Sense overhead plus a faster stock processor.

Since you have both phones you might as well root the moment, but I came from that and have had my hero for about a month now. There is no real fix for the lockups, the "fix" just slows the lockups down. I am happier with my hero than the moment, the hero seems do d/l faster and better music quality with pandora through the headphone jack. Either phone is good I just could not deal with a few lockups a day with my old moments (I had it replaced 5 times). Either way you go good luck.

The Samsung Moment is by far the WORST Android phone I have ever had the misfortune of having to help my parents manage. My father decided to surprise out family with Android phones, and thankfully, he got me a Hero.

the moment is a garbage phone, too many issues with it.

fixxxer2008 said:
the moment is a garbage phone, too many issues with it.
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Well, I should get the Moment tomorrow in the mail. I am going o load a custom rom on it. I will post a review of my findings.
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Well a few days ago I recieved the Moment and I swapped my phone to that and I gave my wife my Hero.
I reloaded the latest 2.1 Fresh for her because she actually likes Sense.
I fiddled around with a few roms for the Moment from other websites. Right now I am using the latest Keebler 2.1 rom and updated kernel and it runs great.
I haven't received any data lockups, the rom goes from 800-66mHz. Battery life is great and I am getting constant 9.0+ mflops on linpack and near 500's on quadrant.
So, overall I am happy witht the swap from the Hero to the Moment.
BTW, I must say that the Moment's screen is actually awesome!!!

I have an update on my Moment...
I'm still using Keebler 3.0 rom but this time I updated the opengl drivers and overclocked it to 1060mhz. I'm getting 10's for linpack and quadrant scores are around 510.
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Its a good phone I haven't had a lockup in weeks I have noobnls radioactive rom ext2 and I sometimes overclocked to 1066ghz
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Where did you go to get the rooting info and rom for the moment? My wife has one and its slow as crap and the battery only lasts about 4 hours.
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Sdx-developers is the place you wanna look for moment related materials.
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db56319 said:
Sdx-developers is the place you wanna look for moment related materials.
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I did go over there and look at it...... All I can say is THANK GOD I elected to get a Hero instead of the Moment when I was given the opportunity to get out from under the POC TP2's I had. Yes I know it was a downgrade in money and I lost out on it,but if I had half as much trouble as what some of the posters over there are saying about it after going through 5 TP2's ..I would have gone postal at the repair center..... I wish you all the luck with it and no data lock ups or home key issues..
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Most of the problems I have (had) with the moment is harrdware based problems. And samsung is the reason. I am more or less neew to this so can someone tell me a way to backup the apps and not just the save info for them? This is the 3rd one of these things I have been through in 5 months and next is hell if I don't get another actual phone. I guess I need to find a coustom rom to run so it will stablize.
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james33440 said:
I have an update on my Moment...
I'm still using Keebler 3.0 rom but this time I updated the opengl drivers and overclocked it to 1060mhz. I'm getting 10's for linpack and quadrant scores are around 510.
Sent from my Keebler using Tapatalk
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wow.. my girlfriend has a moment and shes always talkin about how terrible it is. im trying to get her to trust me and let me root it and load a custom rom. if i do im gonna throw the keebler rom on it. 1060mhz, 10+ mflops?? i think i might steal her phone.

Didn't like the moment because of the slide-out keyboard

[Q] Worth the effort to go Android for 6 months

I'm probably looking at a new phone in about 6 months, maybe less. My HTC Touch is old and I'd love to see some of the new Android builds and software.
My question is, is it worth it to put the effort into finding, flashing, and tweaking a ROM for such a short period of time. More importantly, will the experience on this much older hardware be worth it considering my upgrade will likely be much newer and more powerful hardware-wise.
Along those lines, is a fully tricked out Android Touch worthy of forgoing the newest 4G phones and thus avoiding the $10 surcharge, assuming that my current 3G web browsing is tolerable as long as I get over the screen size issue?
Thank you in advance for any thoughts you have.

Android on vogue is totally worth it. it runs really nicely. not as nice as a new phone, but, hey - you've already got it. and it's pretty easy to get installed. you can always run it via haret for a week or two to 'try before you buy'

Yes, it runs nicely, although because of the somewhat low resolution, some apps are cut off like robo defense, but it's playable. (also kitten cannon, makes the menu buttons all squished up but it is still playable). Remember to use the NAND method because while i used the sd card method, its SUCKED. And you can test out android and all to see if you like it. Not sure if you can do this, but to my understanding you can use a phone for like 30 days and then return it if you don't like it. but that might only be if you are getting a new plan with a new carrier or something.

Thanks for the answers and for the tip on which method to use.

BestHubris said:
Thanks for the answers and for the tip on which method to use.
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One last thing, if you are thinking about getting a device with 4G to eventually ditch your Vogue, make sure that you do it when 4G is available in your area. Otherwise, you will find those extra $10 per month to be a cause for rage against an otherwise really good carrier.
The Vogue should be perfectly fine as long as you can use it.

egzthunder1 said:
One last thing, if you are thinking about getting a device with 4G to eventually ditch your Vogue, make sure that you do it when 4G is available in your area. Otherwise, you will find those extra $10 per month to be a cause for rage against an otherwise really good carrier.
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Speaking from personal experience?
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mrkite38 said:
Speaking from personal experience?
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lol, how could you tell?
I try to water down my rage with apps and Angry Birds

egzthunder1 said:
lol, how could you tell?
I try to water down my rage with apps and Angry Birds
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A fine remedy, sir.
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Engadget Review Atrix

Nice review.
http://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_threadhttp://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_thread

One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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same could be said about the iphone

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a pretty solid review, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
Of course, you've also got your obligatory AT&T services--AT&T Navigator, AT&T FamilyMap, and AT&T U-Verse Live TV--on there, but for once, you can actually uninstall any of these apps if you wish.
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but Engadget disagrees:
We're a little disappointed by the fact that Motorola and AT&T are loading up the Atrix with a considerable amount of bloatware, and there's nothing you can really do about it. Vlingo, a handful of AT&T apps, Blockbuster, and a smattering of other programs all ship on the handset with no option to delete them.
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Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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Huh.

again, AT&T hasn't finished the backhaul necessary. Also, I always get lower speed tests with the Speedtest.net app than I do with XtremeLabs app. When I get my phone, I'll test the speeds, should be about 2200-3500 in Stl. if it's like the N1. That's WITHOUT the '4G'

They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.

Battleship said:
AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Huh.
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check the article again, there's an update.

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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I've heard that 4G services will be launching in the coming months on AT&T.
Battleship said:
AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
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I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.

smitty1 said:
They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.
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They are testing in New York. AT&T in New York sucks. This is not news. It will probably be much better as long as you don't live there.

kennethpenn said:
I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.
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He did update the review with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.

Battleship said:
so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.
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On the droid x I have I could only uninstall updates, not delete it (without root). Motorola has a deal with Blockbuster, so they put it on all their phones.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if z4root worked right out of the box. It's already designed to work on Motorola phones running 2.2.1, so it probably will work for this too. Once that's done, TiBu will remove everything extra anyway.

On the battery side, the Atrix 4G packs an impressive 1930mAh battery inside, and even though Android is data intensive, we found ourselves squeezing more than 24 hours out of the device on a single charge with fairly heavy use. You can probably get more time out of the device if you avoid calls when possible and keep your brightness settings in check, but we were pleasantly surprised by the performance we saw.
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This is excellent news!
The battery was the one thing I was really concerned about. I am very pleased to see this working so well. Maybe there is hope for the Atrix after all...
Oh and on a side note:
That camera looks awful!

Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.

No comment on the gps? That's like my main concern now since my captivate has a pretty crappy gps lol

sdlopez83 said:
Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.
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You ok man?

lol, yeah, don't hold back or anything. This phone is sounding like a winner to me assuming it can be properly rooted and custom roms installed. I never had an interest in the docks anyways so the overall beatings they are taking in the reviews isn't a concern to me. Like engadget I love the concept but the laptop dock cannot replace a laptop as is making it a third wheel for me.

Well, all I wanted to see in that review was info on the bootloader, and... it's locked... Not really a surprise, but hey, I was holding onto hope. The fact that this phone won't be getting much dev support, and because it's all plastic, means I'll be crossing it off my list... My perfect Android device, has yet to surface.

doesn't the Droid X have custom roms? If so, couldn't there be custom ROMs on this phone as well?

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You ok man?
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im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?

sdlopez83 said:
im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?
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I am willing to bet that custom roms will start rolling out after about a month. I don't understand what the big deal is with bootloader, with it unlocked, we might see roms a few weeks sooner, but either way it will get done. I know it will get rooted within a week, that is a fact. Once it's rooted, feel free to ASOPify the phone however you like...
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New to Incredible

I am leaving att simply because of their shotty data plan. I am also looking at the Incredible because of the unlocked unencrypted bootloader as the droid x has as well as the htc quality that ive seen in the past. I listen to alot of internet radio and 2gbs just isnt enough sorry att and im even more sorry that after 6 years youll be losing 3 lines. At 150.00 a month.
Without starting a pissing match, what rom is good on battery and speed? Generally looking for some user experience reviews.
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HeyItsLou's ROMs always gave me great battery life, with Chad's kernels. Right now I am running CM7 Nightly #7, and the battery life is alright for me, not bad enough to switch to something else. Other than that I really like CM7.
I've always had great battery life with the Inc/Evo hybrid ROMs too, I know Lou's got one...there's others out there too by Myn and Chingy.

Thanks! How is your data on verizon?
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Like you, I switched from ATT. I had a Curve with them, and the BB was slow along with their network. I had friends on Verizon, and I loved Verizon's phones, so I jumped. Been happy ever since. I live in Madison, WI, and haven't had any issues with 3g drops, dropped calls, or anything like that. I use WiFi alot too, about 50% of the time. I haven't had any complaints about it since switching, it was a great move I think.

This is the kind of thing i need to hear. I am on long island and its not that data is that bad, but att just doesnt get it, 2gbs just isnt enough.
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Just adding some input, i love verizon alot and literally have no complaints. I live in California, and i cant remember the last time i dropped a call, or thought 3g was too slow. I use ALOT of data and its a great feeling not having to care about any 3g limits.

NickDroid said:
Just adding some input, i love verizon alot and literally have no complaints. I live in California, and i cant remember the last time i dropped a call, or thought 3g was too slow. I use ALOT of data and its a great feeling not having to care about any 3g limits.
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Agreed. The last time I remember a call dropping wasn't even my phone/Verizon's fault, it was my brother on Sprint that dropped it. I use data way more than voice, and use my phone heavy for work emails and phone calls (phone calls - only if I am out of the office though).
This is the kind of thing i need to hear. I am on long island and its not that data is that bad, but att just doesnt get it, 2gbs just isnt enough.
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Do you know anyone that uses Verizon in Long Island that you could ask about the service? Maybe stop someone you see with an Inc or another Verizon phone and ask, just to get an idea of how it operates where you are at. I wouldn't think there would be issues. Just a thought.

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davwman said:
I should talk to my brother in law. He has a droidx and knows nothing about rooting and flashing and all that good stuff, but he seems to have zero issues. the best part about this whole thing was when i was talking to the retention dept and praising them trying to pull the unlimited data out of them the call dropped! Which sealed the deal. I had verizon years ago and dont know why i left to begin with. Their unlimited data blows away att's $25.00 2 gb plan.
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My 0.02 cents. Versions network is vastly superior to att. In terms of coverage my dad had an iphone on att and we were driving in Minnesota using google nav to get somewhere. His phone hits a dead spot. We switch to my inc and get there. His phone was in the dead spot the entire time after that. I mean 0 bars, and he wants to switch his entire company next time the contacts run out
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Verizon has more coverage for sure. But if you're in an area that actually has at&t coverage, I also think you won't be disappointed at Verizons 3G speeds.
I'm able to stream hulu (modded flash, normally does not stream to phones) to my phone perfectly, watch full episodes without anymore than a 5 second buffer. What makes that statement better is I'm able to do it in an area that has low bar 3G coverage.
And you're right about the unlocked bootloader the incredible has. My dad has the X and there isn't a whole lot of options you can do to increase performance and speed. Pretty much you're only able to swap out ROM's.
The incredible is different, I've been able to change kernels, the splash screen and boot animation, as well as the ROM.
The ROM's choices available are really pretty amazing. There's a bunch of really talented developers here, you can take a quick look at the list here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
So I would definitely recommend you jump ship and go with the Incredible on Verizon

I am definitley jumping ship and bringing all three lines over to verizon. I am waiting until monday when i am off from work again so i can sit down and make sure everything is ported over correctly. I already am deciding what rom and kernel im running and it seems to point to skyraider and maybe incredikernel unless you have other suggestions. As far as rooting goes ill be using unrevoked.
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davwman said:
I already am deciding what rom and kernel im running and it seems to point to skyraider and maybe incredikernel unless you have other suggestions. As far as rooting goes ill be using unrevoked.
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Ah excellent choices my friend
You may end up trying out some other ROM's, I know I have- but I always found myself going back to that combination because of the stability, speed and battery life it has provided me.
There are plenty of ROM's I have never tried, so it's all out there to experiment with.

Believe me I flash roms more than I probably should but, Im really excited to use android the way it was meant to be used with unlimited data. Im talking 8-12 hours of continuous sirius and/or pandora usage.
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davwman said:
Believe me I flash roms more than I probably should but, Im really excited to use android the way it was meant to be used with unlimited data. Im talking 8-12 hours of continuous sirius and/or pandora usage.
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Buy a bigger battery my friend.
Also, I never have any issues with vzw when I'm on L.I. or anywhere else. Enjoy.

I get a 25% discount from verizon so I will be getting the 2150mah battery.

davwman said:
I get a 25% discount from verizon so I will be getting the 2150mah battery.
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ah that's what I'm using
It's good that you're getting it straight off so you get use to it with it on, some people have a hard time switching.

Well I use the seidio 3000mah battery which is a monster on my captivate. So the size should be no problem. With a little more research i found redemption rom which looks nice. One question I can't get a definitive answer to is on radios. I have flashed radios in the past and was wondering if its absolutely necessary to on the incredible?
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As far as speed goes, I use Incredibly Reengineered its uberfast... for battery life I installed Set CPU to save on batt when I'm low, but I'm never far from a charger. If battery life is more important there's a bunch of ROMs that have excellent life but it's all personal preference.

I am going with re-engineered v2.3.2 and using the lou's #8 which is already built into the rom. As far as sense goes I'll be stripping it and using the aosp theme. As far as radio's go should I just use the one that is shipped with the phone which is being delivered on friday or should I flash a different one? What about HBoot version? I didnt see if I needed to update HBoot to a different version. Thanks in advance!

[Q] questions from a Droid user maybe coming to sprint

I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.

Yes if you like a hardware keyboard then get the Epic it's a great phone you won't be dissapointed
If you like running the latest and Greatest software then the Nexus S will be out for sprint in like a month.
If you want a powerhouse of a phone then the Evo3D should be out by June following what they did with the original Evo
This thread might give you more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004091

justin8338 said:
I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.
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Evo3d or nexus 4g or any phones that are dual core that come out in the next 3 months
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If you get the epic, make sure you rigorously test the hardware keyboard within the first 30 days so you can return it if you get a phone that's physical keyboard drops keys.
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iSaint said:
Yes if you like a hardware keyboard then get the Epic it's a great phone you won't be dissapointed
If you like running the latest and Greatest software then the Nexus S will be out for sprint in like a month.
If you want a powerhouse of a phone then the Evo3D should be out by June following what they did with the original Evo
This thread might give you more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004091
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Thanks for the link!

I never buy phones on contract, and swapped from an iPhone to a Moto Droid in May of last year. Loved the Android platform, since I'm a programmer and super-user -- not a dumb user, the way the iPhone continued to fail.
I switched to the Epic 4G around October of that year (bought off-contract as well, ESN was clear, but ended up still being attached to an account... got scammed and ported it to Cricket myself). Love the keyboard. Love the screen. Not a bad phone at all. I wouldn't buy it on contract, though, since the new phones are coming out. But in my mind, the Epic is a definite upgrade from the Droid, albeit still not quite as flexible as the original Droid was in terms of development and ROMs (was on Sapphire with Droid -- tried pretty much all the different ROMs for Epic and they're nice, but not as nice as something mostly AOSP, i.e. CM7 or Sapphire). Waiting patiently for Epic's CM7 to be mostly stable so I can try to ROM with that -- having very high hopes for it.
So in a nutshell, yes, great phone. But, the only issue is that the phone will be outdated rather quick, though I don't think we're going to see another contender with a decent keyboard for a while with dual-core processors, etc (re: I'm guessing a year). No comment on Sprint service, but double check with reviews in your area to see how coverage, etc, is before making the jump.

justin8338 said:
I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.
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I would stay away from this phone if I were you. The roms I've tried are all pretty good, but never perfect for me. I can tell you the current stock rom is still sub par. I would get the HTC if I you. I know people on here will tell you it's not a good of a phone, but I can tell you it works a hell of a lot better. If you really want this phone I will trade you mine + I'll give you $100 if you get the evo and trade me. I'm trying to sell mine now! my phones of on really good shape, no damage to it at all. If you're interested or anyone else, pm me! But to be honest this phone is not really worth it.
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cpcormier3 said:
I would stay away from this phone if I were you. The roms I've tried are all pretty good, but never perfect for me. I can tell you the current stock rom is still sub par. I would get the HTC if I you. I know people on here will tell you it's not a good of a phone, but I can tell you it works a hell of a lot better. If you really want this phone I will trade you mine + I'll give you $100 if you get the evo and trade me. I'm trying to sell mine now! my phones of on really good shape, no damage to it at all. If you're interested or anyone else, pm me! But to be honest this phone is not really worth it.
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DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY. His intelligence is showing with trying to trade you for a lesser quality phone. The evo shift does not have an amoled screen or the gpu power the epic has. This phone is amazing and will be amazing for atleast 2 years. This phone will hold up to the dual cores of this year hands down. I've been with sprint for 9 years and they keep getting better. Development could be stronger but we have gotten EVERYTHING WE NEEDED FROM OUR DEVS HERE. CM7 is in progress and there is a stable alpha.
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It's a great phone now. Got mine for the second time on friday and updated that evening ota. I also have a Evo and Evo shift and had the dual core Atrix(hype at this point imho).
The Epic is my favorite although i do prefer the keyboard on the Evo shift cause its smaller which is odd but rue
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jbadboy2007 said:
DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY. His intelligence is showing with trying to trade you for a lesser quality phone. The evo shift does not have an amoled screen or the gpu power the epic has. This phone is amazing and will be amazing for atleast 2 years. This phone will hold up to the dual cores of this year hands down. I've been with sprint for 9 years and they keep getting better. Development could be stronger but we have gotten EVERYTHING WE NEEDED FROM OUR DEVS HERE. CM7 is in progress and there is a stable alpha.
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Well maybe you like having to spend a million hours to get the phone to work, but for me, not really. It's almost a full time job trying to get this thing to work right! I agree the hardware is great, but not worth the fight to make it work right. I've spent hours flashing this thing since the new update and I will tell you I still have problems with this phone. If you would like me to list all the problems with my phone I would be happy to do so!
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cpcormier3 said:
Well maybe you like having to spend a million hours to get the phone to work, but for me, not really. It's almost a full time job trying to get this thing to work right! I agree the hardware is great, but not worth the fight to make it work right. I've spent hours flashing this thing since the new update and I will tell you I still have problems with this phone. If you would like me to list all the problems with my phone I would be happy to do so!
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YOU have issues, the vast majority of people are capable of flashing a ROM correctly and troubleshooting any problems they might have, don't dissuade someone from purchasing a phone they want because YOU have problems using it correctly.

I really do like my phone and the ROMs are smoke'n.
They have been having a bit of an issue releasing Froyo that doesn't have some level of suckage.
We're expecting a 3rd try this week.
What balances that are the AWESOME devs for it; they popout an updated ROM with the latest update in no time at all.
Everyone is spot on in regards to hardware keyboard, I find myself (I HAD to have a real keyboard) actually using the swype keyboard way more than the physical one. Go figure.
Some GPS issues; though each update makes it a bit better.
There is a reason that this phone is the #1 selling PDA phone.
Having all said that, in a few months there will be some really powerful stuff that will just blow the doors off anything currently available. If I were in your position. I'd go for a multi-processor phone.
Good luck

I say get an evo.
Theres a whole lot more going on with the evo development that its a much more flexible phone.
Our phone has a lot of potential, but with a fracyion of evo/droid devs its harder for the epic to get there.
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jdelano said:
What balances that are the AWESOME devs for it; they popout an updated ROM with the latest update in no time at all.
Everyone is spot on in regards to hardware keyboard, I find myself (I HAD to have a real keyboard) actually using the swype keyboard way more than the physical one. Go figure.
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Check out the hardware keyboard fix from mkasick - it's implemented in SRF 1.1.0 and its accompanying kernel, Twilight Zone 1.1.0. If you don't want to leave your current ROM, give Twilight Zone a try. The fix is an adjustable one - so you can set the value as low as you want. That should completely eliminate any issues you're having.

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YOU have issues, the vast majority of people are capable of flashing a ROM correctly and troubleshooting any problems they might have, don't dissuade someone from purchasing a phone they want because YOU have problems using it correctly.
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These forums speak for them selves. You don't see half the problems in the HTC forums. Also if you have BOTH phones you would know how many more problems there are on this phone. I would wait for the nexus s if you want a sammy. I would not choose this phone again if I had it to do over.
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These forums speak for them selves. You don't see half the problems in the HTC forums. Also if you have BOTH phones you would know how many more problems there are on this phone. I would wait for the nexus s if you want a sammy. I would not choose this phone again if I had it to do over.
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I do have both, and have had few issued with either, I made the choice to stick with the Epic as my daily driver because its a much nice phone hardware wise and significantly lighter. I find it difficult to believe you would have any of the issues you're having if you properly flashed it.

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I do have both, and have had few issued with either, I made the choice to stick with the Epic as my daily driver because its a much nice phone hardware wise and significantly lighter. I find it difficult to believe you would have any of the issues you're having if you properly flashed it.
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I can't even tell you how many times I've flashed this phone trying to get an optimal set up. I have found that over all I've had less problems with the stock rom, but it is still a lot more buggy than the evo. I would just give this phone to my girlfriend and take her evo, but I don't think she would know what to do if the phone went haywire on her. Hers is stock and I've had far less issues with it than this phone. The only times I had any real issues with her evo is when I tried to mess with it. Trust me man, I thought I was the one screwing up this phone, that's why I'm trying out the stock hardware! All I'm saying there are a lot more issues. Trust me I bought this phone for the same reasons as everyone else! I'm just getting sick and tired of having to Odin the damn thing everyone 3 to 4 weeks! I thought a program may have been causing it, so now I'm trying stock ROM EC and I've only rooted it. I've downloaded XDA, Poynt, Blow up, and the Chase apps. These are the only apps I have on here now, so I was hoping that it was maybe an app causing my problems. Today I had my first problem since going to my current set up. I've been talking about it in this forum, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12464672#post12464672. I'm hoping that it's something that I just needed to reboot my phone. The only other thing I can think that made my phone go black screen is when I use the media player and play videos. I'm hoping it's not one of the apps, but I haven't been able to replicate the problem today. I'm just saying that my girl doesn't have any of these issues with the evo and right now I'm basically on the edge with this phone!!!! I also don't want to shell out a bunch more money for a phone so I just kind of have to deal with it and hope I can find a solution, but I would not recommend this phone to anyone after what I've been through! The Nexus S may be a different story since it's stock, but not this phone!

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These forums speak for them selves. You don't see half the problems in the HTC forums. Also if you have BOTH phones you would know how many more problems there are on this phone. I would wait for the nexus s if you want a sammy. I would not choose this phone again if I had it to do over.
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I'm not gonna say that flashing isn't a complicated thing. But that's your choice and if you really want to experience amazing ui then it takes time of the individual to figure how and what they can and can not do. That's why there is 1 click root. Flashing is not meant for everyone so if you don't have the time that's cool but don't blame the phone for your short comings either in time or intelligence or pesistence.
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jbadboy2007 said:
I'm not gonna say that flashing isn't a complicated thing. But that's your choice and if you really want to experience amazing ui then it takes time of the individual to figure how and what they can and can not do. That's why there is 1 click root. Flashing is not meant for everyone so if you don't have the time that's cool but don't blame the phone for your short comings either in time or intelligence or pesistence.
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Trust me I've flashed this phone many times. I'm sorry to tell you that when you flash Roms and kernels there are still going to be some problems. I realise that you may want to flash Roms and kernels to make the phone run a certain way, otherwise there wouldn't be multiple roms or kernels to flash if everything worked perfect with one. You're showing your ignorance if you think that a flashed rom and/or kernel is going to be problem free. There's a reason why there are constant updates to the roms and kernels.
I'm just tired of doing it and you should be able to use the phone, without it crashing, without having to mess with it. I don't think it's too much to ask for the phone to not crash when it's stock. Maybe I need to go to full stock with out root. Maybe that's what's causing the phone to mess up. That's my next option!
Edit: I wish I could see other things you've bought. Just curious what type of repairs you had to do to them...
Not sure why you would expect something to NOT work correctly out of the box? You make a valid point it shouldn't work correctly stock..........

justin8338 said:
I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.
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Whatever you do, do NOT get the Epic. Even if it's free. The keyboard TO THIS DAY does not work properly. It still misses keys and it's not layed out all that well either. I came from a g1 that had a keyboard that ACTUALLY registered keys, even if you type faster than my grandma. Please do not get the epic, get the evo shift or wait for something else on Verizon.
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