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iPad Vs. N1

I find it very amusing that the apple fanboys have taken to comparing a tablet pc to my smart phone, and then bragging that it faster. Is that really a fair comparison? I mean if that was fair then I could compare my desktop PC with 12 gig's of ram and the newest intel i7 core processor to the iPad, and say "Well look there my desktop is faster than the iPad, WOW!"
COME ON!, Your tablet "PC" is supposed to be faster than a phone, the fact that it is just barely faster should depress you and make you want to cry, not jump for joy that your giant iPhone replica is slightly faster than my sweet, sleek, and sexy smart phone!
Here is a link to an article benchmarking and comparing the iPad, N1, and iPhone 3GS.

Gr8gorilla said:
I find it very amusing that the apple fanboys have taken to comparing a tablet pc to my smart phone, and then bragging that it faster. Is that really a fair comparison? I mean if that was fair then I could compare my desktop PC with 12 gig's of ram and the newest intel i7 core processor to the iPad, and say "Well look there my desktop is faster than the iPad, WOW!"
COME ON!, Your tablet "PC" is supposed to be faster than a phone, the fact that it is just barely faster should depress you and make you want to cry, not jump for joy that your giant iPhone replica is slightly faster than my sweet, sleek, and sexy smart phone!
Here is a link to an article benchmarking and comparing the iPad, N1, and iPhone 3GS.
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A) You messed up the poll. It should be radio buttons to select one, not checkboxes where someone could select all the options.
B) You missed the purpose of the benchmarks. It wasn't to compare the speed of devices, but to compare the speed of each processor.
C) Quote: "I'd say somewhere in the 10% range is probably realistic for how much faster the A4 is compared to the Snapdragon." --> I think that's a testament to how powerful the Nexus One is. Less than half the size, yet 90% of the power.
Turn the /rage off.

actually the poll is supposed to be funny and each answer is pretty much the same, so I selected to allow multiple choices.
Second I didn't miss the point of the article at all. I understand completely what the point was (comparing the two processors). I was just doing in the spirit of the apple Hate since the apple/HTC suit.
Anyway its all in good fun!

The iPad also only has 256MB of RAM. They copied the test from anandtech, and the test is terribly flawed. Android is in its current state less efficient at rendering web pages. As for the Javascript test, I'd like to see them downgrade to the version of CM with the new V8 engine and re-test If you compare an iPhone 3GS and a Droid at web page rendering, you'll find that the 3GS is considerably faster than what you would expect the extra 50MHz on the 3GS to go. A lot of power can still be pushed out of the Nexus One - the Snapdragon is a very capable chip. I'd say wait for Froyo and beyond!

Gr8gorilla said:
I find it very amusing that the apple fanboys have taken to comparing a tablet pc to my smart phone, and then bragging that it faster. Is that really a fair comparison? I mean if that was fair then I could compare my desktop PC with 12 gig's of ram and the newest intel i7 core processor to the iPad, and say "Well look there my desktop is faster than the iPad, WOW!"
COME ON!, Your tablet "PC" is supposed to be faster than a phone, the fact that it is just barely faster should depress you and make you want to cry, not jump for joy that your giant iPhone replica is slightly faster than my sweet, sleek, and sexy smart phone!
Here is a link to an article benchmarking and comparing the iPad, N1, and iPhone 3GS.
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Lol It don't make phonecalls though and all of other stuff apple wants to implement into it, they are going to either have to upgrade ram or make awhole new ipad so look forward to wasting your money apple fanboys...Ipad generation 1 and 2 and 3 and so on will milk u lol

well, i think the fact that i bought a nexus the day the ipad was released is saying something.. lol

Wow!
You guys are kiding me?
the Ipad is way better than the nexus one. Duhhhh

Comparing strawberries and bananas... sheesh!

different devices for different audience

Yeah comparing a phone to a tablet/pc thing is silly. Don't forget the nexus one has a much smaller power supply so the processor has to be configured accordingly. Having a much larger power supply on the ipad allows for more processor power usage I suppose.
Also have you guys seen the latest benchmarks from people running froyo on the nexus one? very speedy it seems.
lol I ran the javascript benchmark and got over 18000.. slower than the iphone 3gs' score.. Running paul's desire rom at stock.

forget the ipad check out the gemini!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/06/icds-tegra-2-powered-gemini-is-the-most-feature-complete-tablet/

bobdude5 said:
forget the ipad check out the gemini!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/06/icds-tegra-2-powered-gemini-is-the-most-feature-complete-tablet/
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wow forget the ipad, the hp slate and joojoo. I'll be waiting in line for this one, providing its not a bijillion dollars or released like 3 years from now.
Cyan mod on that beast would be killer

iPad and N1 are two different devices. Comparing them isn't justice. You can upgrade your PC's RAM and processor and then compare the iPad's A4.
Nexus One is the best mobile device available and Apple can't change it... Android needs a little more optimizations and marketing strategy.

Switching to evo from epic?

Well. I have decided to actually go to the Evo from the Epic. I have my reasons. I will get 50 back. I love the Epics screen and the keyboard, which I am using right now actually. The thing that gets me is. I can't put a pin on it but. I just like the Evo better. Its not the hardware. Which is still awesome and I love. Considering the Epic has much better hardware it is hard to explain the switch. I think I would enjoy the screen more. Is it gorilla glass? Also will he Evo get gingerbread? This is a hard decision...I like that the Evo has the otterbox support and such a large community. Also I think I woul enjoy the evo more. In a few months. Actually 3 I will have another upgrade to use and I believe something will be out by then. Also I had a Hero an I love Htc products. I also want Freshes roms. Lol
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The EVO is going to get all of the updates that the Epic gets and probably more. It also has much better developer support. HTC is just a much better phone manufacturer than Samsung.

That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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The EVO is fully rootable right now on any version.

Blitzpwnage said:
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Definitely. The EVO is super-snappy, and the processor is easily enough.

Last-Chance said:
yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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agreed, I dont care about gaming on a cell phone. The only reason i brought that up is because the epic offers a much smoother experience when scrolling and pinching and zooming and **** like that because of the better GPU
Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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i am by NO means saying the Evo is a slouch, its still majorly fast, and is a DECENT gaming device if your into that, I was just making a point when the guy said the Evo is far from being outdate. I still love my Evo

Hey i really only buy HTC phones just do to development of them on this site..my girl has the epic and i think shes gonna either go evo in a week or hopefully they release a win pho 7 at the begining of october
Evo can play some 3d games..but for me I'll play a 3d game for alittle bit, but touch screen and accelerometer does not work for me. unless I get a keyboard and mouse hooked up

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.

Not to be off topic but I heard rumors of dual core proccesers out by x mas, any one here about that?
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!

Thats one thing I learned about Samsung, on paper the specs are superior, but on actual performance and real world usage it falls far behind. The hardware is great, but the software they put on to run it is an epic fail. I haven't used the epic 4g yet, but this has been my experience with past Samsung phones and I dont expect the current to be much different.
And yes evohack I have also heard that dual core phones are scheduled to be out in Q4.

I have the fascinate and I can.say that the sammys needs help with their crap software. Touchwiz is a horrible joke and the GPS and lag is a real issue. Glad its not my primary phone. Thanks to google voice I can.play around with multiple phones and still get all.my calls.
The phone could.have used a better backcover. It feels cheap and prone to.smudges. should.have given it a rubberized feel like they do with a lot of the new.cases would.help. I might create something for that.
The phone is lightweight and screen is nice. Sammys better off with less touchwiz and more froyo. Hope he community will have something soon for it.
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baddubbin said:
Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
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right, i think the adreno is about 20 million triangles per second where the SGX is about 90 million

I'm leaning at getting my 50 bucks back and getting the evo. I lover my epic but its just not what I need right now and that 50 bucks can go towards my 10 payment fee a month.im really going to miss this screen lol first I'm going to go play with the evo from radioshack then decide indefinitely...hows the evos screen??
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Blitzpwnage said:
..hows the evos screen??
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Thats the real big thing for me, the support behind it, I had a Hero before the Epic and loved it, I was looking at fresh 3.2 and I guess it has some amazing battery life can this actually be confirmed, I get crap battery from my Epic...

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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idk, to me the screen nor the keyboard are big points. The screen has burn in issues, and some of the colors aren't even displayed right. + I'm pretty sure the screen is a lot more expensive to replace then an lcd one and easier to break/scratch.
The only reason I thought of switching a while ago was the cpu/gpu, but after I thought about it, it just would be retarded to switch.
Because:
1. TW is crap compared to sense.
2. The cpu/gpu would be a waste since I wouldn't even use it much.
3. It's samsung.

Blitzpwnage said:
hows the evos screen??
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It's big and beautiful, and with LCD Density Changer you can fit so much on the screen at once.

Cmon SPRINT

Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....

wait for ces they should have more phones coming right after that

Hmm...if I was that unhappy,i sure wouldn't still be with sprint/evo..
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werxen said:
Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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and what phone out there besides what t-mo has is better the droid x is the same way as the evo camera sticks out the back

Stop Complaning!!
Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first

drummer2780 said:
Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? u deep****! evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
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Oh right I forgot everyone elses phones lag even the ones at Sprint store even the ones one youtube videos EXCEPT yours. Good to know. Also I like your post count, cutie.

have to admit t-mobile has been banging out the sweet phones !
werxen = sprint whiner

Cutie.. thanks.. u sound gay! lol.. its true.. and u still complaning just quit sprint already then.. damn!

I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO

My evo doesn't lag and I get superb battery life. I also have people always getting all googly eyed over it. I also believe gingerbread will really amp up the evo even more and should solve all your lag problems that may exist.

mitchellvii said:
I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
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Huh? Now that I think about it... nope!

i likes my phone

werxen said:
Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.

Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.

mykenyc said:
Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
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The Optimus One line is actually pretty impressive for a sometimes free low end phone. It has the same amount of RAM as the EVO and the same GPU as the EVO but runs at almost half the resolution. This results to some pretty impressive performance. Stuff like the 3D gallery app and 3D maps in Google Maps runs much smoother than on the EVO. The only thing holding it back is the CPU (600 MHz ARMv6 vs. 1 GHz A8) but even then the design of the chip is not that different than that of the Snapdragon (Modem/FPU co-processor).
The EVO for the most part is pretty good, and probably still one of the best featured phones out even 6 months later. Nothing on it really stands out as best in it's class but it's okay, the only issue is the GPU - it sucks. You can't run LWs and still be at 55 FPS (most of the time it drops to under 30), some games run pretty awful, and some apps don't run as smooth. Everything runs but when you have a newer phone right next to it you can really feel the difference. And the benchmarks speak for themselves, the SGS/NS is 4x better and the Droids are 2x better. That's just the way it is.
The new EVO Shift is not just another EVO though. It's a Desire Z with WiMax and a EVO looking front. It still has the newer 45nm 800 MHz Qualcomm CPU that beats out the EVO by a little and the newer Adreno 205 GPU that is about 3-4x better. It's a ugly looking phone and a little late but performance wise it's still on par with any phone released today.

@ Award Tour : Yep... Droid 1/ Droid 2/ Droid X (and the new droids like Droid Pro) all do 2x better than the Evo. That is enough. It doesn't even need to outdo the Galaxy S phones because it really doesn't matter at that point. All other games run fine mostly because those games are coded for Iphone first generally, with similar GPU.
And Evo Shift has better GPU so it's an okay upgrade cause that's the only thing I really care about.
Cause really, everything else is software. And custom Roms do the job.
And I like HTC phones because they upgrade fairly quickly compared to other companies and release decent phones with GREAT development backing.
But then again I also hate them because they latch onto old hardware sometimes (Qualcomm... thanks) and don't optimize their current software sometimes.

patelkedar91 said:
Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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The Adreno 200 GPU as it is now (both from a hardware and software perspective) sucks. I don't ever expect it to perform as well as the newer stuff (it just doesn't have the specs) but there's still hope for better performance. It seems that the drivers were ultra buggy (from CM work on 2.3) and if you replace the Adreno 200 drivers with the newer Adreno 205 drivers, 2D performance increases by like 100% but unfortunately it completely breaks 3D rendering.
Maybe with the upcoming Google provided 2.3 Adreno 200 drivers (which I got to assume fixes those bug CM ran into) plus the core graphic performance in 2.3 we may see some new life in this GPU. At least I hope so.

Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.

rumor has it a really great superphone running webos 2.0 may come to sprint by june. myself im leaving for at&t or tmobile and going to try out a wp7 device.

werxen said:
Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
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I own a iPhone 4, and I'm not going to lie, it runs and performs perfectly but that's expected when you only have to optimize the software for a few devices. But it's not the best hardware available either. The SGS was released around the same time and had a GPU that was twice as fast, the cameras were just about as good and sometimes better. The Droid X at around that time had the same exact GPU, and now the newer HTC phones (Desire HD, Z, MT4G, G2) all have GPUs that are twice as fast as well. The CPU in the iPhone 4 was a 800 MHz Cortex A8, and every high end Android around that time had the same Cortex A8 but clocked at 1 GHz (and now more) so it was never the fastest; I also wouldn't be surprised if the Snapdragon chip design beats Apple's A4 head to head when both clocked at 1 GHz.
TBH, most of the blame for performance lies directly with Android. It's just not that fast performance wise. The iPhone 4 is down clocked CPU wise, has a "mid level high end" mobile GPU (PowerVR SGX 535), and runs at a higher resolutions but still runs circles around the Nexus S. Hell, for a even strong example look at WP7. It uses the same crap Adreno 200 as the first gen Snapdragon (what the EVO has) and runs waaaaaaaayyyyyy smoother.

Xoom benchmarked against ipad2..

Doesn't look like the xoom did too well..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked

harajuka said:
Doesn't look like the xoom did too well..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked
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To be fair, the Xoom has a higher resolution screen, so these tests are slightly more taxing on it.
However, even if the resolution was the same, the iPad 2 would still come ahead. So, the point still stands.

So what was the problem?
Is honeycomb not properly optimized for gl?
Is A5 that much better at 3d than terga?

jacksmind said:
So what was the problem?
Is honeycomb not properly optimized for gl?
Is A5 that much better at 3d than terga?
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A bit of both, but it's too early to tell.

That was my first thought, is this a product of nvidia's drivers or out classed hardware. Have a feeling its drivers.
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Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?

atoy74 said:
That was my first thought, is this a product of nvidia's drivers or out classed hardware. Have a feeling its drivers.
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I thought about this after posting too. The Tegra 2's GPU drivers are probably not up to snuff... yet.

Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...

Eclair~ said:
Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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To be fair, performance is pretty good on the Xoom from everything I read. Its not like one device completely outclasses the other one. It is a little annoying that the GPU in the iPad is just a better one than the Tegra 2, but what ya gonna do?

so get an ipad. The performance on the Xoom should be good enough for 99% of the people who bought it.

Hmm, I guess you're probably right. Performance doesn't seem to be a complaint, and I'm complaining about something I never do anyways (playing games on my mobile devices).

Eclair~ said:
Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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Even if the Xoom was out performed (in a meaning full way)... even if it was VASTLY out performed by the I pad... I'd still have the xoom. Its the first viable non-apple tablet (IMO) and that's all I've been waiting for.
Truth be told, I'd rather have something jammed in my pee hole than give a single additional dollar to Apple. If they have their way, the future of technology as a whole will be changed for the considerable worse. Not now, at a time where they are simply one of the driving forces in the evolution of tech, but their vision of a world where Steve Jobs controls our computing destiny is one that I'd rather not see.
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mobilehavoc said:
Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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This is just kinda funny. The Xoom is all about better specs etc. etc. than the iPad, then when the iPad wins a GPU benchmark, the Xoom people just say 'who cares about games'...
Sure the Xoom will get faster with updates and drivers (like you said, Froyo bumped performance), and there will be another set of benchmarks when that happens, but right now these results are pretty definitive...
Gotta love the strict line in the sand between the Apple and Android people.

I wonder when will Android receive decent games anyways. Half of the games are quite pathetic, while there are a few that are at least decent... Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds become repetitive pretty quickly.
Android games are time-killers. They don't hold your attention or immerse you enough to play them for more than a few minutes.

Hmm, outperformed by a huge margin. Thats bad for Xoom and Honeycomb
I think the Galaxy 10.1 would perform the same, with pretty similar hardware Tegra 2

I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.

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Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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I love people who THINK I'm so tired of all these comparisons and biased reviews and experiences. Remember how much Android has grown as an OS and then look to iOS and its growth/change. Yeah... none. We all chose the Xoom for a reason... we want change.
Don't worry little birds... we'll get changes! This thing is like wine... gets better with age! Although sub out years and replace with weeks

Everyone relax, the GL Benchmark app looks like it wasn't updated for Honeycomb or the Nvidia OpenGL extensions. I'm not even sure if it runs native or runs in a Java VM.
I posted this at android central where it's getting all fan boy crazy:
Well, here goes a few things I noticed off the bat.
I grabbed the GL benchmark app, and here a few indicators that it needs to be re-worked for the Xoom:
The Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions (MOTODEV > Products > XOOM™ MZ600)
the GL Benchmark app only found 21 (GLBenchmark Result Details of Motorola Xoom)
So off the bat with the app not using all available OpenGL extensions for honeycomb or for the Nvidia platform I'd say that it's "off."
Secondly, the app even incorrectly reads the screen size at 1280 x 752.
So right now I say these needs to be updated before I got too crazy with the results.
I didn't do a cross reference of the utilized libs over the ones "left on the table" but if I get a few minutes I will.
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I'm not saying the ipad2 is better or worse, all I'm saying is the benchmark app isn't reading the info right on the Xoom.

muyoso said:
I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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i'm a bit disappointed with NVIDIA for sure. They were hyping Tegra 2 all last year, leaking slides of the performance and what not, and it cannot do basic tasks like playing 720p playback without stutter. i was even thinking of buying NVIDIA stock too lol.
to be fair, i think we all need to wait it out a bit, and see what software changes are made to alleviate these issues. this doesn't mean the end of android tablets, far from it. i guess we could wait it out for a non-tegra 2 dual core tablet in the 2nd half of 2011 (qualcomm's 2nd gen snapdragon processor, samsung's orion processor, TI OMAP, etc).
what i love about honeycomb is that it isn't hardware specific, so we'll have plenty of choices by the end of the year.

That's true. And don't forget the higher price point of the Xoom. That's make it even harder to justify the purchase againt iPad 2.
And now this benchmark, the Xoom is simply out-classed.
Of course, for Android fans, the Xoom might be the best option for them.
Probably it is good to skip 2011 and wait the next new hardware? Like the Tegra 3 Quad Core? Well, probably it will still be out-classed by the next iPad 3? Yeah, if we follow this kind of thing, there will be NO END!
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I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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Anyone jumping to galaxy SII?

I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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musclehead84 said:
I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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I definitely want it but by the time my 2 year renewal is up I will probably be getting the Galaxy 3D

Yep I only have 7 years under my belt, because of that I have no clue what will be next.....next is sept 2012 lol.... it wont be an sgs2 unless I really have to have it and can shell out the extra 75 bucks in nov. I know for sure I made a good choice tho, my epic will still stand tall for another 12+ months, I'm enjoying the ride anyhow.
Side note, I'm not so sure the mali400 gpu that's in the sgs2 is anything great, unless its only running one gpu core at the moment, which means samsung will have to update it later....cough never. I want a phone with a powerful gpu and am hoping for sgx-543 or better.

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I definitely want it but by the time my 2 year renewal is up I will probably be getting the Galaxy 3D
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May have to let my 2-y-o use my phone like a hockey puck again :-D
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Won't be easy. I've really fallen in love with the game gripper on my epic. I use the keyboard to type every single text message. I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
The Galaxy S2 looks freakin amazing. I love it. I want it. I Just want it... with a keyboard

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Won't be easy. I've really fallen in love with the game gripper on my epic. I use the keyboard to type every single text message. I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
The Galaxy S2 looks freakin amazing. I love it. I want it. I Just want it... with a keyboard
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you ever tried using swiftkey??

musclehead84 said:
I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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For me it depends if we get the sexy thin version I keep seeing or a softer cartoonish body like the Epic. I don't want a hard keyboard or the thicker shell that comes with it. I want a gorgeous phone next time. The Epic is already plenty functional so only sexy AND functional will ever get me to upgrade.

..But I'll still have a year in my contract by the time it comes out
Wait..Does this thing have a Tegra 2?

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I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
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Clearing data helps swype not suck so much. Its too bad the custom dictionary entries just end up making swype mess up every other word
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SpicyBurrito said:
..But I'll still have a year in my contract by the time it comes out
Wait..Does this thing have a Tegra 2?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-official-tegra-2-4-3-inch-super-amoled-plu/
Update: We were originally told that the Galaxy S II would be using an NVIDIA Tegra 2 SOC, but have been informed that was incorrect -- the phone will indeed have a dual-core 1GHz Samsung chip, and quite possibly the Exynos. There's also 1GB of RAM.
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No; there was an error in reporting when the specs were first put out, it seems.

No, I'm waiting for galaxySIII.
Quad core
4 Gb ram
2600p camera
Android 4.0
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dchawk81 said:
For me it depends if we get the sexy thin version I keep seeing or a softer cartoonish body like the Epic. I don't want a hard keyboard or the thicker shell that comes with it. I want a gorgeous phone next time. The Epic is already plenty functional so only sexy AND functional will ever get me to upgrade.
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I totally agree. Samsung would have hit a homerun with the Epic had they given it some harder corners and a little more heft but if the GSII comes in some professional packaging I may seriously consider it.

The dual core processor isn't going to make it that much speedier. Sure it will let you listen to music, browse the web, and play games at the same time. But actual game performance won't be that much improved. Just as it was with PCs and multiple cores.

Not Getting the GS2 AT ALL!!
im Getting the Evo 3D
why you ask? Looks like neither will have keyboards and the Evo gets all the Dev love.
Plus 1.2 Dual core ... i don't need more than that these processors are sooo overclockable its crazy...
Also i think alot of people will never buy Samsung again so its Dev community will even be smaller....

My current Hummingbird is handling everything fine. I'd just like a more attractive form and a larger screen. I'm a fan of face tablet phones I think 4.3" is the sweet spot.

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The dual core processor isn't going to make it that much speedier. Sure it will let you listen to music, browse the web, and play games at the same time. But actual game performance won't be that much improved. Just as it was with PCs and multiple cores.
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My laptop blows away my desktop. Both are 2.16ghz clocks. The laptop is dual core. The desktop is single core.

I hope Sprint changes the looks of it if they get it, I dont like the way it looks.

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My laptop blows away my desktop. Both are 2.16ghz clocks. The laptop is dual core. The desktop is single core.
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Name the era. Of course a 2010 2.1ghz is going to blow away a 2006 2.1ghz. The refinement isn't the cores, but how much the processor can do with a single clock.
2006 dual cores were no faster than 2006 single cores, except for multi-tasking.
Just as quad cores in 2009-2010 had little benefit over their dual core counterparts, unless you are doing video encoding or 3d rendering via blender or maya.

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Name the era. Of course a 2010 2.1ghz is going to blow away a 2006 2.1ghz. The refinement isn't the cores, but how much the processor can do with a single clock.
2006 dual cores were no faster than 2006 single cores, except for multi-tasking.
Just as quad cores in 2009-2010 had little benefit over their dual core counterparts, unless you are doing video encoding or rendering.
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you'll barely notice the speed difference in the Evo3d or The GS2 compared to the Epic right now... but it will make a HUGE difference overall like the battery life and other thingys

Here's a preview of the international version of the Galaxy S II. The 8 megapixel camera is the best they have ever seen and can record 1080p video with full 30 fps! I hope for the Sprint version they leave out the keyboard and put in an even bigger battery (already a solid 1650mah). I'll take this over the HTC Evo 3d. 3d is such a silly gimmick.