http://www.droid-life.com/2011/03/0...t-just-slightly-more-expensive-than-the-ipad/
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they don't include the cost of an LTE card or the cost to install it
Not to start another discussion but shouldn't they be fair and compare the Xoom to the iPad 2 with the cameras and all? After all it will have the same price tiers as the original iPad
I bet the iPad 2's crappy 1mp cameras only cost $1.
Doesn't account for...
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R&D
Marketing
Distribution
I'm not saying there isn't a TON of markup, but it's not as cheap to build these things. They have buildings full of engineers working on products and that ain't free to moto.
arrtoodeetoo said:
I bet the iPad 2's crappy 1mp cameras only cost $1.
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I would put money on that.
Bauxite said:
Doesn't account for...
4G card
4G Shipping fees
R&D
Marketing
Distribution
I'm not saying there isn't a TON of markup, but it's not as cheap to build these things. They have buildings full of engineers working on products and that ain't free to moto.
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oh, promotion wise!
which you like better? verizon's motorola xoom commerical (featuring Vendetta Online) or verizon's iphone4 (with the camera rotating full screen?).
imo, being a geek, i like the motorola xoom
sal_shawn said:
I would put money on that.
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CORRECTION!!!
2 sucky cameras. one on the front and one of back...
so $2.00
inspiron41 said:
CORRECTION!!!
2 sucky cameras. one on the front and one of back...
so $2.00
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you'll obvious know what videos were taken with ipad2 once they hit youtube
Bauxite said:
Doesn't account for...
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I'm not saying there isn't a TON of markup, but it's not as cheap to build these things. They have buildings full of engineers working on products and that ain't free to moto.
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I'd venture to say that Apple spent WAY more in R&D and marketing. Apple has to build and maintain the OS (iOS may not be much different on phone and pad, but they have to consider multiple devices when they make changes to the OS), while Motorola gets their OS for free and they don't even have to skin it because it's a Google experience. Apple invented this product category, so Moto couldn't have spent more on R&D to just follow what the others had already done and beef up the specs.
There is no telling what they've priced the 4g upgrade at, but I'm sure they have an estimate. You can't price it according to the number of units sold, because I bet that less than half of units sold will send in their device for 4g within the 90 day window or whatever it is. They're not going to spend much money on the 4g upgrade per unit, probably a few bucks per unit sold.
Even if this was priced at the same price as an I pad it would still be disgustingly marked up because apples prices are already insane. And still if you have any doubt about the insane price given by motorola add in the fact that all the man hours, resources, and work of developing the OS was bore entirely by Google. The price is unjustified.
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you'll obvious know what videos were taken with ipad2 once they hit youtube
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Taken with the Xoom. Not too shabby, IMHO. (you can actually see the Xoom in the reflection)
It would be nice if we could adjust saturation and contrast in the camera app though.
*and I know, don't give me **** about still having our Christmas up!
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Taken with the Xoom. Not too shabby, IMHO. (you can actually see the Xoom in the reflection)
It would be nice if we could adjust saturation and contrast in the camera app though.
*and I know, don't give me **** about still having our Christmas up!
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COME ON! IT'S MARCH!
It is a decent photo though.
A lot goes into transportation, assembly, warranty, distribution, marketing, updating, support, etc. etc. etc.
Listing out the price for parts is a little misleading. If I had $300 could I go buy all those parts and make myself a Xoom? Hell no.
Bauxite said:
Doesn't account for...
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4G Shipping fees
R&D
Marketing
Distribution
I'm not saying there isn't a TON of markup, but it's not as cheap to build these things. They have buildings full of engineers working on products and that ain't free to moto.
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The 4G card justifying a higher price is a joke. If this thing launched in a few months and came with the 4G card already installed, it wouldn't cost any more than it does now. Same as the SD card slot, neither justify any noticeable price increase.
Apple easily has much much more R&D tied into the iPad/iPad 2 than Motorola has tied into the Xoom. First off Motorola doesn't have to design the OS, the Market, iTunes for syncing, etc. AND Verizon is footing a lot of the marketing bill in exchange for the soft exclusivity of a 3g only launch on 1 carrier in the US. Apple has to also pay for their own distribution for sale in Apple stores (once again Verizon/Best Buy are handling most of that for Motorola).
What this article shows is that Motorola could keystone the Xoom (sell for 2x the price of materials) and still be under $600 for the 3G version, and this $322 profit per device would several times over cover the cost of marketing, R&D, etc. and still make huge profit.
Now it should be said that the reason why Apple is able to sell the $499 version of the iPad is generally because it offers an entry point to advertise, hoping to sell more of the expensive models. Apple also takes a cut of App purchases and Music/Movies purchases via iTunes, which also helps them lower the price (but remember, there are also costs involved with running iTunes and the App Store).
But I'll say it again, its just said when you get out a product that is more expensive than an Apple one. How do you think all of the $1500 Sony laptops are selling? The main reasoning behind not buying Apple products for mainstream consumers is price. You can be an Android fanboy all you want, but you can't deny that you just can't give Apple the price advantage, because they will crush all competition. Since when does Apple have a price advantage with comparable specs? Its just a joke how much companies are gonna get crushed this year in tablet sales.
Maybe it's just the Economics student in me, but its not hard to see why Motorola is gonna get its ass handed to it in the next couple quarters.
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The 4G card justifying a higher price is a joke. If this thing launched in a few months and came with the 4G card already installed, it wouldn't cost any more than it does now. Same as the SD card slot, neither justify any noticeable price increase.
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Duh? I'm saying they build the price of the 4G card and installation in right now.. assuming most people will send it in later. Did I say anything different?
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Duh? I'm saying they build the price of the 4G card and installation in right now.. assuming most people will send it in later. Did I say anything different?
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No, the build price and installation of the 4G card will not cost them any noticeable amount of money that should trickle down to the consumer. The "promise" of installing 4G later shouldn't be put on the consumer now. 4G plans are going to be more expensive, what if I don't want 4G? I don't have the option of not paying for it whether I use it or not. Its pretty much the same model as mail-in-rebates, where they charge you more up front hoping some people don't claim it back.
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I just posted this in another thread, but I feel having its own thread is necessary.
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OK so inspired by this thread, I log into sprint.com to see what they officially say the $10 charge is. I think if we stick together, we can have them by the balls on this one.
"Premium Data:
- A wicked fast processor to make your apps run smoother and faster on our Sprint -3G and 4G network
- Top quality media experience with oversized screen, high resolution video and HD recording
- High-quality pics to snap and share with friends and family"
If you see this as I see this, Sprint is charging us $10/mo for the phone itself - not the service. We already paid for the damn phone! HTC is maker of the phone and sold it to us through Sprint. Both companies made money from the purchase of the phone.
Now Sprint is getting another $10/month from us because another company, HTC made an awesome phone.
I am no lawyer, but I have a feeling this contract just wont hold.
It is like buying buying an awesome sound system for your car with satellite radio built in, and having Sirius charge you $10 extra each month because the stereo plays Blue Ray, has Bluetooth, and gets rid of your blue balls.
We bought our phones for $199. And that is part of the contract. Charging us an additional $10 per month for the phone itself voids that contract. So, they try to say that they are providing the experience to us each month.
The agreed upon cost of the phone is a fixed one: $199. They are really charging you a mixed cost of $199 + $10x (where x = the number of months)
And in fact, they are lying by trying to tell us they are giving us this experience, when in fact the screen CAN NOT become less than 4.3" if we do not pay; the processor CAN NOT slow down if we do not pay; and the camera CAN NOT be less than 8 MP if we don't pay.
Who the heck is with me?!
all very valid points but im sure a bunch of people are going to come on and say dont be cheap or that its only 10 dollars a month or some other B.S.
I sent sprint a few emails 2 months ago saying exactly the same thing and mentioned how the nexus one and hd2, which both have good cameras and 1ghz processors, dont get cool feature charges, but they replied with a bs email as usual.
I don't recall the Nexus or HD2 having 4g, free 3g mobile hotspot, or having QIK, and they cost more than the Evo to buy flat out
It sucks paying for it considering I still only get 1x where I live >.>.
Like literally 2-3 miles down the road, 3G kicks in. And in the other direction, about ~12 miles down the highway, 3G comes in.
Just finish the coverage already!!!!
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and there it is
Yes it sure is, face it you were told about the $10 charge before you got the Evo and made the informed decision to purchase it anyway, then you had 30 days to change your mind. You didn't so shut up about it
I don't like the $10 additional charge anymore than you guys, but I (just like everyone who owns an Evo) decided I was willing to pay it to have one of the best phones currently available and because I (again like everyone else) made this decision I (and all of you) gave up my right to ***** and moan about it.
i agree its the morals. Sprint is takin us as fools..
gangsterholla179 said:
i agree its the morals. Sprint is takin us as fools..
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Do you know what morals are? Perhaps you meant the principal, but even then you would be wrong Sprint offered a spectacular device, with an additional monthly fee that was made VERY apparent before you purchased the phone and you chose to anyway.
Seriously if you don't want to pay the fee then don't get an Evo (or Epic or any other 4g phone) otherwise shut up.
There is plenty of competition in the wireless market.
Aridon said:
There is plenty of competition in the wireless market.
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Exactly! If you don't like Sprint's policy with the Evo then go somewhere else.
What about the unlimited data that comes along with the "extra" $10? I would not want to give that up For a tiered program....would you! That's my 2cents worth...
Despite what anyone says about it, their reasons for it are bull****. It being a premium device doesn't merit the $10 charge in addition to the data package, as there are other "premium" devices.
If they needed to charge more for it to recoup costs, fine. But don't ****ing lie to the actual intelligent consumer. That's not cool.
Status Flow said:
Despite what anyone says about it, their reasons for it are bull****. It being a premium device doesn't merit the $10 charge in addition to the data package, as there are other "premium" devices.
If they needed to charge more for it to recoup costs, fine. But don't ****ing lie to the actual intelligent consumer. That's not cool.
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So far the other "premium devices" that are on other networks are on tiered data plans and still cost more per month even with the additional $10
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So far the other "premium devices" that are on other networks are on tiered data plans and still cost more per month even with the additional $10
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That's not the point. Many people have chosen Sprint because of it being cheaper than the competition despite the "premium" bull**** charge.
The point is that they're flat out lying to the consumer not oblivious to the technology world (which I will admit is the minority, but that is no excuse).
Status Flow said:
That's not the point. Many people have chosen Sprint because of it being cheaper than the competition despite the "premium" bull**** charge.
The point is that they're flat out lying to the consumer not oblivious to the technology world (which I will admit is the minority, but that is no excuse).
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They haven't lied in any way. They VERY clearly told you about the additional charge and you accepted it, now if they didn't say anything that would be a different matter entirely
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They haven't lied in any way. They VERY clearly told you about the additional charge and you accepted it, now if they didn't say anything that would be a different matter entirely
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I'm not talking about the charge itself, I'm talking about the reasons for the charge that Sprint gives. If that's not lying, it is deceiving.
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They haven't lied in any way. They VERY clearly told you about the additional charge and you accepted it, now if they didn't say anything that would be a different matter entirely
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they didn't lie, they gave a BS excuse, and yes my nexus one had free 3g tethering and now theyre changing our contracts and taking away our discounts.
bobdude5 said:
they didn't lie, they gave a BS excuse, and yes my nexus one had free 3g tethering and now theyre changing our contracts and taking away our discounts.
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Then feel free to use the "loophole" due to them changing your contract to leave Sprint like Aridon said "There is plenty of competition in the wireless market."
I need to know...I don't understand. Att seems to be screwing their subscriber constantly and yet they keep adding subscriber. During this recession, how can anybody afford their limited plan costing over 100 dollars? While sprint sero premium only cost me 59 bucks with unlimited everything. Sprint is the only one where my bills actually stays around 60 a month. Attt and verizon bill varies from mnth to mnth. Isn't this common sense to pick sprint?
superm3 said:
I need to know...I don't understand. Att seems to be screwing their subscriber constantly and yet they keep adding subscriber. During this recession, how can anybody afford their limited plan costing over 100 dollars? While sprint sero premium only cost me 59 bucks with unlimited everything. Sprint is the only one where my bills actually stays around 60 a month. Attt and verizon bill varies from mnth to mnth. Isn't this common sense to pick sprint?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
Nuff Said.
superm3 said:
While sprint sero premium only cost me 59 bucks with unlimited everything.
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Sprint SERO is the main reason why I am still with Sprint - but do note that SERO was not publicly available to customers - and there is no way for a new customer to get it today. So, for a new customer picking a service, the regular sprint rates are applicable.
If you are picking a new plan, T-mo plan might be better than sprint. ATT is kinda comparable. Some customers may get a discount at ATT thru' their employer... so that might contribute to their decision too...
Iphone. Only reason.
Swyped from my Evo on steroids.
TheSilverStig said:
Iphone. Only reason.
Swyped from my Evo on steroids.
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Don't forget stupid people
TheSilverStig said:
Iphone. Only reason.
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Don't forget stupid people
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Don't they go hand in hand?
ummmm hmmmmmmmmmm!
well they have a item that is now 4g (4th gen) and well it looks the same each time they come out with a new 1!!
and peeps feel cool using 1! what is it! hint it doesnt have flash! and the batteries are not removable!
jj14 said:
Sprint SERO is the main reason why I am still with Sprint - but do note that SERO was not publicly available to customers - and there is no way for a new customer to get it today. So, for a new customer picking a service, the regular sprint rates are applicable.
If you are picking a new plan, T-mo plan might be better than sprint. ATT is kinda comparable. Some customers may get a discount at ATT thru' their employer... so that might contribute to their decision too...
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I love when people cancel their evo with me and say its too complicated. Then continue to say they are switching to att to get an iphone as an attempt to insult me.
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Main reasons:
1) iPhone exclusivity for so long.
2) They used to be decent.
3) Sprint's service sucks in some parts of the country.
4) Corporate contracts (Example: While AT&T sucks here in Sacramento as soon as you get out of the city limits, at my work, they have a contract with AT&T, so everyone gets an AT&T phone. Except me of course.)
Corporate contracts make up a much higher percentage of phone contracts than you'd expect.
You guys are forgetting a huge part.. When them and Cingular joined.
The iphone it's the only reason. But now it looks like verizon is going to be taking over the world.
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...kind of how a newer and better Android phone is announced every month instead of every year?
Pretty much. As a later adopter, these things don't bother me. Whatever device i'm upgrading to has usually been out for a good 6+ months by the time I get it. At that point most of the bugs are worked out, price is cheaper, better development support, etc. It's no wonder sprint releases their latest and greatest at the start of summer, but best prices are to be had near the year end holidays.
Btw, thanks for quoting the whole thing
EVO vs iPhone
screen: iphone wins
camera: iphone wins
battery life: iphone wins
factory sd card size and speed: iphone wins
apps: iphone wins - more apps and better looking apps
operating system: iphone wins, super smooth and polished
hardware acceleration: iphone wins (oh wait, android doesn't even have any...)
audio quality: iphone wins
build quality: iphone wins
flash: EVO wins, even though it plays choppy most of the times
4G: EVO wins, even though without investing another $60 in an extended battery, your stock battery will die in a few hours with 4G on
Rooting: EVO wins, even though 80% of the people on this planet dont need to root in order to void their factory warranty and flash useless roms that offer mostly nothing over the stock rom
I'm an EVO fanboy, I'm ignorant and I approve this message!
AvatarOfFrost said:
screen: iphone wins
camera: iphone wins
battery life: iphone wins
factory sd card size and speed: iphone wins IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE, I CAN SWAP MINE OUT AND HAVE MORE CAPACITY(WHICH I DO) EVO WINS
apps: iphone wins - more apps and better looking apps
operating system: iphone wins, super smooth and polished
hardware acceleration: iphone wins (oh wait, android doesn't even have any...)
audio quality: iphone wins
build quality: iphone wins DROPPED CALLS PLS? Antennagate PLS?
flash: EVO wins, even though it plays choppy most of the times
4G: EVO wins, even though without investing another $60 in an extended battery, your stock battery will die in a few hours with 4G on
Rooting: EVO wins, even though 80% of the people on this planet dont need to root in order to void their factory warranty and flash useless roms that offer mostly nothing over the stock rom
I'm an EVO fanboy, I'm ignorant and I approve this message!
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My extended battery(3500 ma) was $10 with back piece, honestly its not that much better than the regular battery.... where I was getting 30ish hours or so? stock battery dropped 7% listening to pandora over BT while at the gym for over an hour, that's not bad.
Rooting does have its advantages, wireless tether for free is a $30/mth advantage, not to mention SIP calling which is available in GB. They're plenty of reasons.
If I want someone to tell me how to told my damn phone I'll get an iphone and move to Egypt or something. I like being able to hold my phone how I want and use my phone how I want.
Only downside I have really noticed is since rooting my camera is kinda shabby.
The iphone is the main reason why at&t has as many subscribers as they do, it'll be interesting to see where they are in a year or so when Verizon has alot of their current users.
At the end of the day AT&T still has better service in a lot of places. And service in some places that Sprint doesnt have any altogether. If you look at Sprints national coverage map its actually pretty limited in suburban places. I know in GA if you travel down 85 South about an hour south of Atlanta, if you leave the interstate Sprint literally has no coverage at all. I was kind of amazed that when I went down there I actually had to roam to get service. Then it made sense as to why Verizon and AT&T had stores everywhere but there wasnt a Sprint store in sight.
unlimited roaming ftw, I'm a trucker and I can honestly say that sprints coverage is adequate, when I get to a bad coverage area there is always verizon. in my travels I have found very few places with no coverage
In my area, AT&T is the best coverage you can get and Sprint is the worst. But on a nation-wide level, it has more to do with the iPhone.
Was the first art local store in reading Pa. Associate said they would call when they arrived to set a time to come in and pick it up. They said they would install a screen protector and have everything ready ahead of time if I know what I want when they call.
Hope everyone else has a smooth visit this morning.
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Was the first art local store in reading Pa. Associate said they would call when they arrived to set a time to come in and pick it up. They said they would install a screen protector and have everything ready ahead of time if I know what I want when they call.
Hope everyone else has a smooth visit this morning.
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Do you have to pay in full?
No just 50.
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My question is, how do we purchase it for 800, the advertised price? If you can't, isn't that false advertising?
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When I go in on Thursday I will pay750 for the tablet since I already put 50 down. I do not have to purchaseanytbing else unless I want to use verizon wireless or purchase accessories.
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Something to keep in mind with this pre-order deal.
Most credit cards offer some kind of warranty. My american express for instance extends the manufacturers warranty by 1 year, the first three months is protected by theft and accidental damage protection insurance.
The catch? The entire purchase must be made on the card. So if you put $50 down as a pre-order, and they give you a gift card, and you return to purchase it using the gift card, essentially you are only putting $750 of the $800 on your card and thus the extended warranty / damage protection aren't eligible.
I've used the 90 days damage protection and the extended warranty. They issued a full refund to my card both times.
Just something else to consider with the pre-order deal.
Just preordered one over at the Rockaway, NJ location, smooth as butter. No issues, very straight forward. I was the 2nd person to preorder one. Can't wait to get my hands on it!
The pre order money is put on a gift card and does not need to be used at time of purchase.
I was hoping the free trade program was in place still but it expires before the launch.
At 100 dollars I believe selling it myself will net me dramatically more. I expect to get less for the convienence however find charging me for the option is a joke.
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I was hoping our local stores would have some kind of model in stock to show off.. I was dissapointed.
I went to the Montgomery, Al store. I was the first one there to pre-order. I walked over to the mobile department and asked to pre-order the Xoom. The saleswoman asked for my phone number to call me when it comes out. She charged my $50 for the gift card and asked me what time I wanted to set up an appointment. I told her and then asked if my 10% off coupon would work (it said "No contract phones"). She said "Yes, it shouldn't be a problem. If not, I will do something, it is only 10%". So I took my receipt and left. 4-5 min. total.
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I went to the Montgomery, Al store. I was the first one there to pre-order. I walked over to the mobile department and asked to pre-order the Xoom. The saleswoman asked for my phone number to call me when it comes out. She charged my $50 for the gift card and asked me what time I wanted to set up an appointment. I told her and then asked if my 10% off coupon would work (it said "No contract phones"). She said "Yes, it shouldn't be a problem. If not, I will do something, it is only 10%". So I took my receipt and left. 4-5 min. total.
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What 10% coupon is this? I asked if they would match Costco if they are indeed $100 cheaper, they said they should be able to.
I was planning on using my AMEX card too for the extended warranty - Have to see if I can just trade someone $50 bucks for the giftcard.
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What 10% coupon is this? I asked if they would match Costco if they are indeed $100 cheaper, they said they should be able to.
I was planning on using my AMEX card too for the extended warranty - Have to see if I can just trade someone $50 bucks for the giftcard.
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I would like to know about this coupon too. I just preordered at Best in the West Best Buy in Las Vegas.. Store 122 I think. I plan to buy from Costco if I can, but I wanted to hedge my bets. I can always use the giftcard towards a case and dock. I want the speaker dock, but I don't think I can justify 130$ total, technically 80$ just for speakers.
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are you guys buying wifi model or 3g?
i wanted to get just the wi-fi version for $600 and i just called told by someone at the best buy that there is no wi-fi only very version. according to them i would have to spend 800 bucks on it. is this true?
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are you guys buying wifi model or 3g?
i wanted to get just the wi-fi version for $600 and i just called told by someone at the best buy that there is no wi-fi only very version. according to them i would have to spend 800 bucks on it. is this true?
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600$ wifi version is TBA right now. No one knows when or where it will be.
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What 10% coupon is this? I asked if they would match Costco if they are indeed $100 cheaper, they said they should be able to.
I was planning on using my AMEX card too for the extended warranty - Have to see if I can just trade someone $50 bucks for the giftcard.
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Oh sorry, I should have mentioned: I am a BB Reward Zone Silver Member. They send out coupons every once in a while. Mine is good during the launch date. (Actually I think it is good until the 24th )
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Oh sorry, I should have mentioned: I am a BB Reward Zone Silver Member. They send out coupons every once in a while. Mine is good during the launch date. (Actually I think it is good until the 24th )
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Oh okay. Most of BB's stuff is way overpriced, so I am not willing to spend the kind of money to become a silver member. I guess it's good they give you something for paying their prices
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Oh okay. Most of BB's stuff is way overpriced, so I am not willing to spend the kind of money to become a silver member. I guess it's good they give you something for paying their prices
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Yeah I agree, I don't usually buy that much from them anymore... just big stuff that you can't really get cheap anywhere else (i.e. MacBook Pro). It also helps when you have known the managers at the stores for 5-9 years. They generally help make things reasonable for their loyal customers. However, I still think the Xoom is overpriced, but the 10% makes it more tolerable. Did anyone notice any accessories in stock at their BB?
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Yeah I agree, I don't usually buy that much from them anymore... just big stuff that you can't really get cheap anywhere else (i.e. MacBook Pro). It also helps when you have known the managers at the stores for 5-9 years. They generally help make things reasonable for their loyal customers. However, I still think the Xoom is overpriced, but the 10% makes it more tolerable. Did anyone notice any accessories in stock at their BB?
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I didn't see any accessories in stock. But I have never seen accessories in stock for a device prior to release. Hell, for the EVO I recall they barely had anything in stock on release day. Based on the preorder form, I imagine they are going to have the portfolio case SKU 2103374 and the Standard Dock SKU 2129336 at release. 4 more days.. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!
It didn't make sense, but when I stopped in to pre-order at the Jacksonville, FL Airport Best Buy, I was told by the associate that my final price would be $600 or $800 depending on CONTRACT.
Did carrier subsidies start on non-phone devices for contracts? It that the debacle about activation and reactivation?
I suppose, with something like device + activation being $635, plus $20x12, $240. I would still eat a $40 charge on subsidy for a larger up-front discount, for the crap plan.
Activating that, and tethering to my Incredible. Otherwise PlayOn/Netflix will break the bank.
I guess he could have read enough to know the price for the wifi version, and just spouted that off as well.
The fine print on their Buy Back promotion being free another week, which I just caught after suggesting it to people, just because it's free, says at the Best Buy Mobile stores, for applying it to tablets. So, if you really want $400 back in six months, or the option in case resale goes down in a flooded market, buy at a Best Buy Mobile.
Now to wait for Thursday!
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It didn't make sense, but when I stopped in to pre-order at the Jacksonville, FL Airport Best Buy, I was told by the associate that my final price would be $600 or $800 depending on CONTRACT.
Did carrier subsidies start on non-phone devices for contracts? It that the debacle about activation and reactivation?
I suppose, with something like device + activation being $635, plus $20x12, $240. I would still eat a $40 charge on subsidy for a larger up-front discount, for the crap plan.
Activating that, and tethering to my Incredible. Otherwise PlayOn/Netflix will break the bank.
I guess he could have read enough to know the price for the wifi version, and just spouted that off as well.
The fine print on their Buy Back promotion being free another week, which I just caught after suggesting it to people, just because it's free, says at the Best Buy Mobile stores, for applying it to tablets. So, if you really want $400 back in six months, or the option in case resale goes down in a flooded market, buy at a Best Buy Mobile.
Now to wait for Thursday!
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You must be careful. The first person I talked to spewed general information because they thought the XOOM was a phone.
At least the leaked Costco ad said activation required for purchase. The BestBut ad just says that activation is required for WiFi. Since they won't sell it for the $800 advertised price, even with WiFi locked, isn't that false advertising?
I want an $800 Xoom with WiFi locked as advertised.
I love the internet.
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At least the leaked Costco ad said activation required for purchase. The BestBut ad just says that activation is required for WiFi. Since they won't sell it for the $800 advertised price, even with WiFi locked, isn't that false advertising?
I want an $800 Xoom with WiFi locked as advertised.
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I don't see false advertising. The ad specifically says that you must purchase one month of Verizon service to activate WiFi. I don't like it but it doesn't look like false advertising to me.
what the **** is wrong with ****ing best buy? i hear ya man. i called best buy to see if i could pre-order my xoom today and i just got told that there is no wi-fi version and there is just one version. i would have to pay $800 plus verizon internet service for one month. this is bull ****.
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what the **** is wrong with ****ing best buy? i hear ya man. i called best buy to see if i could pre-order my xoom today and i just got told that there is no wi-fi version and there is just one version. i would have to pay $800 plus verizon internet service for one month. this is bull ****.
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Couldn't agree more. For an unsubsidized version, this is totally shady. Forcing someone to pay extra just to activate WiFi is ridiculous. Very bad business.
It is not false advertising. It is, arguably, tying. Tying is making the purchase of one item(i.e, the XOOM) contigent upon the purchase of another unnecessary item(Verizon Month of Service). It is possibly an anti-trust violation which is nearly impossible to enforce under anti-trust laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)
I'm saying, I WANT to buy it WITHOUT WiFi, but I can't! That IS false advertising. If they let me buy it without WiFi and activation, then it would be true to the ad. But I can't do that, I have to buy it with activation, so it's false advertising.
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I'm saying, I WANT to buy it WITHOUT WiFi, but I can't! That IS false advertising. If they let me buy it without WiFi and activation, then it would be true to the ad. But I can't do that, I have to buy it with activation, so it's false advertising.
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Take it to court. I don't think it is worth the effort but I see your point. I am not sure if they will even allow you to leave the store without activation.
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I'm saying, I WANT to buy it WITHOUT WiFi, but I can't! That IS false advertising. If they let me buy it without WiFi and activation, then it would be true to the ad. But I can't do that, I have to buy it with activation, so it's false advertising.
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I was you when the announcement was first made about the activation a bit ago. I even contacted a friend who is a lawyer. After a little research into anti-trust law I realized that I couldn't win a case, even if there was no WiFi-Only version on the horizon, which there is.
Are you being silly when you say you want to buy it "WITHOUT WiFi" arguing a pont of false advertising. Pretending that you want a 3G version, without service and without activated wifi? Or was it simply a mistake and you meant without 3G. If it's the former, the only reason to want a 3G XOOM WITHOUT WiFi would be to have a case for false advertising. False advertising is rare. As I have stated, it might be "tying", but it is not false advertising.
If you want to make a stink, argue with BB and see if they will let you walk out the door with the tablet with no activation.
EDIT: I am on hold seeing if BB will let me out without activation. I will make the excuse that I'll activate later that day at my leisure.
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I was you when the announcement was first made about the activation a bit ago. I even contacted a friend who is a lawyer. After a little research into anti-trust law I realized that I couldn't win a case, even if there was no WiFi-Only version on the horizon, which there is.
Are you being silly when you say you want to buy it "WITHOUT WiFi" arguing a pont of false advertising. Pretending that you want a 3G version, without service and without activated wifi? Or was it simply a mistake and you meant without 3G. If it's the former, the only reason to want a 3G XOOM WITHOUT WiFi would be to have a case for false advertising. False advertising is rare. As I have stated, it might be "tying", but it is not false advertising.
If you want to make a stink, argue with BB and see if they will let you walk out the door with the tablet with no activation.
EDIT: I am on hold seeing if BB will let me out without activation. I will make the excuse that I'll activate later that day at my leisure.
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You forgot your geek squad protection...
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You forgot your geek squad protection...
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The chick didn't offer me any of that stuff. I imagine they will give me the spiel on release. I rarely buy warranties on gadgets. 160$ to secure a 800$ device is too much. Insurance is only good if the device is soooo expensive that you couldn't just repurchase it in the instance that something goes wrong, like a multi-thousand dollar car. Though when offered the illusion of cheaper insurance in the form of monthly payments, like the 7$ a month for my EVO, I do fall for it .
I know you were probably being sarcastic.
I spoke to a girl in the BB Mobile department. They sound pretty insistent that they "can't sell it without a data plan". She made it clear that I could cancel at the end of the month, perhaps she didn't read their in-house playbook. Despite defending the reasons for it, I will admit that I'm mad they are saving me from my self by not allowing me to walk out with it an no data plan. I think if you argue, even if they don't match Costco's price, they might match the 35$ Mail In Rebate so that you only pay 20$.
The problem is that we can't vote with our wallets on the XOOM. Because the problem is not the XOOM. The problem is Best Buy. The problem is the fact that BB has many many loyal customers who pay their MSRP high prices to the tunes of 10s of 1000s yearly. They don't care if some geek, and I am sure I am right in stating that most of us buy from online retailers when it's cheaper, decides not to pay for the XOOM. They will chock it up to the XOOM being a failure, not to their marketing. Despite what you think of Apple, they have created an idea that if a device is desirable enough(i.e., overpriced iOS devices) people will pay through the nose.
Before you flip out. When I say overpriced I am referring to the fact that objectively, the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Subjectively, however, all value is intrinsic and the value of anything is what people will pay for it. If people buy it, it's worth it, if not then it's not. It's just like the reality that precious metals and stones have no real value anthropologically, since our society has moved beyond the use of such things as hard currency. But marketing allows people, primarily women(call me sexist but it's true) to continue to believe that some metal or stone in the ground is worth something still. If I can't buy groceries with a diamond, I think it's useless, but marketing is magic. I am going to buy the XOOM because I have convinced myself I need it. I want a tablet to keep me company on the couch. This superbowl I was looking **** up on my phone, drove me nuts.
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The chick didn't offer me any of that stuff. I imagine they will give me the spiel on release. I rarely buy warranties on gadgets. 160$ to secure a 800$ device is too much. Insurance is only good if the device is soooo expensive that you couldn't just repurchase it in the instance that something goes wrong, like a multi-thousand dollar car. Though when offered the illusion of cheaper insurance in the form of monthly payments, like the 7$ a month for my EVO, I do fall for it .
I know you were probably being sarcastic.
I spoke to a girl in the BB Mobile department. They sound pretty insistent that they "can't sell it without a data plan". She made it clear that I could cancel at the end of the month, perhaps she didn't read their in-house playbook. Despite defending the reasons for it, I will admit that I'm mad they are saving me from my self by not allowing me to walk out with it an no data plan. I think if you argue, even if they don't match Costco's price, they might match the 35$ Mail In Rebate so that you only pay 20$.
The problem is that we can't vote with our wallets on the XOOM. Because the problem is not the XOOM. The problem is Best Buy. The problem is the fact that BB has many many loyal customers who pay their MSRP high prices to the tunes of 10s of 1000s yearly. They don't care if some geek, and I am sure I am right in stating that most of us buy from online retailers when it's cheaper, decides not to pay for the XOOM. They will chock it up to the XOOM being a failure, not to their marketing. Despite what you think of Apple, they have created an idea that if a device is desirable enough(i.e., overpriced iOS devices) people will pay through the nose.
Before you flip out. When I say overpriced I am referring to the fact that objectively, the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Subjectively, however, all value is intrinsic and the value of anything is what people will pay for it. If people buy it, it's worth it, if not then it's not. It's just like the reality that precious metals and stones have no real value anthropologically, since our society has moved beyond the use of such things as hard currency. But marketing allows people, primarily women(call me sexist but it's true) to continue to believe that some metal or stone in the ground is worth something still. If I can't buy groceries with a diamond, I think it's useless, but marketing is magic. I am going to buy the XOOM because I have convinced myself I need it. I want a tablet to keep me company on the couch. This superbowl I was looking **** up on my phone, drove me nuts.
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Yea i was sarcastic. As for overpriced i agree it is. You can buy a netbook for $200, a cheap laptop for prolly $300, and yet we will pay $699/$799 for a big cell phone that doesn't make calls...WHY??? Because as you say, we have convinced ourselves we need it. Do you know how close i was to buying the samsung tab on multiply times. I keep walking away, its to much, its to much. But now I'm buying something that's more money...figure that out.
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The chick didn't offer me any of that stuff. I imagine they will give me the spiel on release. I rarely buy warranties on gadgets. 160$ to secure a 800$ device is too much. Insurance is only good if the device is soooo expensive that you couldn't just repurchase it in the instance that something goes wrong, like a multi-thousand dollar car. Though when offered the illusion of cheaper insurance in the form of monthly payments, like the 7$ a month for my EVO, I do fall for it .
I know you were probably being sarcastic.
I spoke to a girl in the BB Mobile department. They sound pretty insistent that they "can't sell it without a data plan". She made it clear that I could cancel at the end of the month, perhaps she didn't read their in-house playbook. Despite defending the reasons for it, I will admit that I'm mad they are saving me from my self by not allowing me to walk out with it an no data plan. I think if you argue, even if they don't match Costco's price, they might match the 35$ Mail In Rebate so that you only pay 20$.
The problem is that we can't vote with our wallets on the XOOM. Because the problem is not the XOOM. The problem is Best Buy. The problem is the fact that BB has many many loyal customers who pay their MSRP high prices to the tunes of 10s of 1000s yearly. They don't care if some geek, and I am sure I am right in stating that most of us buy from online retailers when it's cheaper, decides not to pay for the XOOM. They will chock it up to the XOOM being a failure, not to their marketing. Despite what you think of Apple, they have created an idea that if a device is desirable enough(i.e., overpriced iOS devices) people will pay through the nose.
Before you flip out. When I say overpriced I am referring to the fact that objectively, the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Subjectively, however, all value is intrinsic and the value of anything is what people will pay for it. If people buy it, it's worth it, if not then it's not. It's just like the reality that precious metals and stones have no real value anthropologically, since our society has moved beyond the use of such things as hard currency. But marketing allows people, primarily women(call me sexist but it's true) to continue to believe that some metal or stone in the ground is worth something still. If I can't buy groceries with a diamond, I think it's useless, but marketing is magic. I am going to buy the XOOM because I have convinced myself I need it. I want a tablet to keep me company on the couch. This superbowl I was looking **** up on my phone, drove me nuts.
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You want a device when you are on the couch not necessarily a Xoom. You can't assume this will work for you when you have never touched one. There will be others. If money is not a concern, you are hoping that this device will live up to your expectations and I hope it does for you. But for the rest of us, cost is a huge issue along with an unproven device with no real use reviews.
bwcorvus said:
Yea i was sarcastic. As for overpriced i agree it is. You can buy a netbook for $200, a cheap laptop for prolly $300, and yet we will pay $699/$799 for a big cell phone that doesn't make calls...WHY??? Because as you say, we have convinced ourselves we need it. Do you know how close i was to buying the samsung tab on multiply times. I keep walking away, its to much, its to much. But now I'm buying something that's more money...figure that out.
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Yea I talked myself out of the Galaxy Tab because of the hardware. It's the same as my EVO, with a bigger screen.
keitht said:
You want a device when you are on the couch not necessarily a Xoom. You can't assume this will work for you when you have never touched one. There will be others. If money is not a concern, you are hoping that this device will live up to your expectations and I hope it does for you. But for the rest of us, cost is a huge issue along with an unproven device with no real use reviews.
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At the risk of jinxing myself I KNOW this device will live up to my expectations. Mostly because I have been at this too long to have unrealistic expectations. I expect Android, optimized for a 10" screen, that has full flash.
I know my HTC EVO already does flash pretty well, and the XOOM will be faster. I also know i like the OS because I have spent hours testing apps on the crappy honeycomb emulator.
I am very concerned with price, but most of the things I buy have cheaper options of comparable or inferior performance. I spent 2500$ on my i7 rig a few months ago. My friend just bought is a month or so ago, spent about half as much, because he didn't go overboard as much as me, and a few things were already cheaper. On one hand, I spent more money than I needed too. I didn't NEED two video cards. I didn't need to purchase a more expensive motherboard, but I wanted one that was black, instead of the ugly blue that gigabyte motherboards are. I didn't need to watercool the PC, or pay twice as much for the largest case I could find so that I could install watercooling without any modifications, and hide all the wires.
None of this negates the price issue with the XOOM. I would rather buy a 600$ WiFi Only XOOM. I would be able to justify the 130$ speaker dock then. At the current price, I am not sure if I am willing to spend the extra 80$ the speaker dock costs over the regular dock. I have an HTC EVO and don't need 3G in the tablet. But I have more money to spend on this tablet than I do patience to wait for a WiFi-Only version. 5 months later and there is no WiFi Only Galaxy Tab, this is why I am reluctant to wait.
Also, for my personal consideration is that the other android tablets all have something wrong with them. LG has 3D I think is stupid, Samsung uses PDMI, Notion Ink is an unproven company. I think, based on the other offerings, if the only problem with the XOOM is price then I'm sitting pretty. What I find funny is that some people are willing to pay 800$ for the XOOM but are nitpicking over 55$ for 1 month of service and activation. Granted I don't want to spend that price either, but it's still amusing.
Side Note. Is anyone else wondering what is wrong with my and my long winded posts?
setite said:
What I find funny is that some people are willing to pay 800$ for the XOOM but are nitpicking over 55$ for 1 month of service and activation. Granted I don't want to spend that price either, but it's still amusing.
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I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.
I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
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I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.
I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
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Let me play devil's advocate for a moment, and give you some perspective.
iPod Touch 32GB - 299.99
iPhone 4 32GB - 699.99
That is a difference of 400$ for the ability to make phone calls and use data. Say 200$ for Data, 200$ to make a phone call. Without sarcasm, I would honestly like to know if you considered that in your assessment that 200$ for added 3G/4G functionality is too much.
Yes, I was referring to buying it with locked wifi a per the advertisment, since I know someone will unlock it.
I wonder what very we verizons return policy is
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setite said:
But I have more money to spend on this tablet than I do patience to wait for a WiFi-Only version. 5 months later and there is no WiFi Only Galaxy Tab, this is why I am reluctant to wait.
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This quote pretty much summed it up for me too....
Jrockttu said:
I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.
I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
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The cost per gigabyte is about the same for LTE and EVDO... but, they don't have a plan that is 1, 2, or 3 GB yet. I will wait and see.
As a personal note, I am not that crazy about LTE right now because I probably won't even taste it until 2012. (I live in a small town that only got 3G four of five months ago)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19061617844...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_2504wt_1396
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win! LOL i only paid 299 and it was full retail! someone should inform him!!
I'm not surprised. Seen listings for phones worth <$300 mint going for $70-$150 with screens so fouled up, you would think they got married and tied it on the back of the car like it was a tin can. Being that big a device, I'd believe someone trying to sell a TF101 it for parts at $400.
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It's not someone TRYING to sell at that price. That's the price it's at after 60 bids.
I think we can chalk that up as a win for the seller.
Lani Kai said:
It's not someone TRYING to sell at that price. That's the price it's at after 60 bids.
I think we can chalk that up as a win for the seller.
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yep exactly. and description isn't confusing at all. I don't understand it. Maybe someone hit up a big offer and the seller asked someone to get the price higher.
GameEs said:
yep exactly. and description isn't confusing at all. I don't understand it. Maybe someone hit up a big offer and the seller asked someone to get the price higher.
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The "highest" bidder as of now has a (1) rating.
So yeah could be a "New" account just to bump price up.
soccerdude288 should sell his on Ebay too.
Is not so funny for me. Did you ever check prices in Europe? I bought my TF for 700$ before 6 months now is around 600$. Ok the price for as-is for US is high but as you can see shipping is worldwide
Lolol
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baseballfanz said:
The "highest" bidder as of now has a (1) rating.
So yeah could be a "New" account just to bump price up.
soccerdude288 should sell his on Ebay too.
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It may not be that, either. I tried selling several of my used phones (including an iPhone 4) over the past year or so. Every time I tried to post a decently priced (~$150-200 USD for a phone that was selling for $300 used typically) some random 'new' account would either buy the phone out or balloon the bid up to some ungodly amount. Sure enough, payment would never be received, eBay would insist I give them their cut (even though they could clearly see I had never been paid, through PayPal or any other means), and my phones never sold. After 10 months of fighting this nonsense, and eBay still insisting I owed them seller fees for successfully sold items, I gave up completely on that rotten site. It's chock full of nonsense these days.
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It may not be that, either. I tried selling several of my used phones (including an iPhone 4) over the past year or so. Every time I tried to post a decently priced (~$150-200 USD for a phone that was selling for $300 used typically) some random 'new' account would either buy the phone out or balloon the bid up to some ungodly amount. Sure enough, payment would never be received, eBay would insist I give them their cut (even though they could clearly see I had never been paid, through PayPal or any other means), and my phones never sold. After 10 months of fighting this nonsense, and eBay still insisting I owed them seller fees for successfully sold items, I gave up completely on that rotten site. It's chock full of nonsense these days.
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Ain't that the truth. I put a CULV machine up for sale at what I thought was a reasonable $50 starting bid. Within an hour I got an email from someone who told me (not asked, mind you) to close the listing, ship him the laptop and he would send me the $50. I declined, and he sent me another email telling me my laptop would never sell on eBay.
Shortly after that, two new accounts started a bidding war and took the price up to $1000. The price sat there until the auction ended 6 days later. Of course, no sale. I tried to work with eBay, but all they agreed to was not charging me to relist the laptop. They also claimed to close the two accounts, but a month after this you could still find the accounts on the site.
Moral: eBay has become a sales sewer. Thugs are running the place, and for every interesting and reasonably priced product you can find, there are 500 crap knockoffs waiting to take your money.
Lani Kai said:
It's not someone TRYING to sell at that price. That's the price it's at after 60 bids.
I think we can chalk that up as a win for the seller.
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*cleans thick glasses*
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Forgive me for being a dumbass, but what do you guys think these "new" accounts' intentions are for pushing prices way up and then not paying?
goodintentions said:
Forgive me for being a dumbass, but what do you guys think these "new" accounts' intentions are for pushing prices way up and then not paying?
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Force people to look elsewhere to buy the same item for less. For example, to their auctions.
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Or as retaliation. That emailer was right-- the laptop didn't sell.
Flip side, some could do it if their auction isn't making what they'd like it to make.
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Force people to look elsewhere to buy the same item for less. For example, to their auctions.
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