At least the leaked Costco ad said activation required for purchase. The BestBut ad just says that activation is required for WiFi. Since they won't sell it for the $800 advertised price, even with WiFi locked, isn't that false advertising?
I want an $800 Xoom with WiFi locked as advertised.
I love the internet.
Sirchuk said:
At least the leaked Costco ad said activation required for purchase. The BestBut ad just says that activation is required for WiFi. Since they won't sell it for the $800 advertised price, even with WiFi locked, isn't that false advertising?
I want an $800 Xoom with WiFi locked as advertised.
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I don't see false advertising. The ad specifically says that you must purchase one month of Verizon service to activate WiFi. I don't like it but it doesn't look like false advertising to me.
what the **** is wrong with ****ing best buy? i hear ya man. i called best buy to see if i could pre-order my xoom today and i just got told that there is no wi-fi version and there is just one version. i would have to pay $800 plus verizon internet service for one month. this is bull ****.
varungandhi said:
what the **** is wrong with ****ing best buy? i hear ya man. i called best buy to see if i could pre-order my xoom today and i just got told that there is no wi-fi version and there is just one version. i would have to pay $800 plus verizon internet service for one month. this is bull ****.
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Couldn't agree more. For an unsubsidized version, this is totally shady. Forcing someone to pay extra just to activate WiFi is ridiculous. Very bad business.
It is not false advertising. It is, arguably, tying. Tying is making the purchase of one item(i.e, the XOOM) contigent upon the purchase of another unnecessary item(Verizon Month of Service). It is possibly an anti-trust violation which is nearly impossible to enforce under anti-trust laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)
I'm saying, I WANT to buy it WITHOUT WiFi, but I can't! That IS false advertising. If they let me buy it without WiFi and activation, then it would be true to the ad. But I can't do that, I have to buy it with activation, so it's false advertising.
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I'm saying, I WANT to buy it WITHOUT WiFi, but I can't! That IS false advertising. If they let me buy it without WiFi and activation, then it would be true to the ad. But I can't do that, I have to buy it with activation, so it's false advertising.
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Take it to court. I don't think it is worth the effort but I see your point. I am not sure if they will even allow you to leave the store without activation.
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I'm saying, I WANT to buy it WITHOUT WiFi, but I can't! That IS false advertising. If they let me buy it without WiFi and activation, then it would be true to the ad. But I can't do that, I have to buy it with activation, so it's false advertising.
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I was you when the announcement was first made about the activation a bit ago. I even contacted a friend who is a lawyer. After a little research into anti-trust law I realized that I couldn't win a case, even if there was no WiFi-Only version on the horizon, which there is.
Are you being silly when you say you want to buy it "WITHOUT WiFi" arguing a pont of false advertising. Pretending that you want a 3G version, without service and without activated wifi? Or was it simply a mistake and you meant without 3G. If it's the former, the only reason to want a 3G XOOM WITHOUT WiFi would be to have a case for false advertising. False advertising is rare. As I have stated, it might be "tying", but it is not false advertising.
If you want to make a stink, argue with BB and see if they will let you walk out the door with the tablet with no activation.
EDIT: I am on hold seeing if BB will let me out without activation. I will make the excuse that I'll activate later that day at my leisure.
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I was you when the announcement was first made about the activation a bit ago. I even contacted a friend who is a lawyer. After a little research into anti-trust law I realized that I couldn't win a case, even if there was no WiFi-Only version on the horizon, which there is.
Are you being silly when you say you want to buy it "WITHOUT WiFi" arguing a pont of false advertising. Pretending that you want a 3G version, without service and without activated wifi? Or was it simply a mistake and you meant without 3G. If it's the former, the only reason to want a 3G XOOM WITHOUT WiFi would be to have a case for false advertising. False advertising is rare. As I have stated, it might be "tying", but it is not false advertising.
If you want to make a stink, argue with BB and see if they will let you walk out the door with the tablet with no activation.
EDIT: I am on hold seeing if BB will let me out without activation. I will make the excuse that I'll activate later that day at my leisure.
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You forgot your geek squad protection...
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You forgot your geek squad protection...
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The chick didn't offer me any of that stuff. I imagine they will give me the spiel on release. I rarely buy warranties on gadgets. 160$ to secure a 800$ device is too much. Insurance is only good if the device is soooo expensive that you couldn't just repurchase it in the instance that something goes wrong, like a multi-thousand dollar car. Though when offered the illusion of cheaper insurance in the form of monthly payments, like the 7$ a month for my EVO, I do fall for it .
I know you were probably being sarcastic.
I spoke to a girl in the BB Mobile department. They sound pretty insistent that they "can't sell it without a data plan". She made it clear that I could cancel at the end of the month, perhaps she didn't read their in-house playbook. Despite defending the reasons for it, I will admit that I'm mad they are saving me from my self by not allowing me to walk out with it an no data plan. I think if you argue, even if they don't match Costco's price, they might match the 35$ Mail In Rebate so that you only pay 20$.
The problem is that we can't vote with our wallets on the XOOM. Because the problem is not the XOOM. The problem is Best Buy. The problem is the fact that BB has many many loyal customers who pay their MSRP high prices to the tunes of 10s of 1000s yearly. They don't care if some geek, and I am sure I am right in stating that most of us buy from online retailers when it's cheaper, decides not to pay for the XOOM. They will chock it up to the XOOM being a failure, not to their marketing. Despite what you think of Apple, they have created an idea that if a device is desirable enough(i.e., overpriced iOS devices) people will pay through the nose.
Before you flip out. When I say overpriced I am referring to the fact that objectively, the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Subjectively, however, all value is intrinsic and the value of anything is what people will pay for it. If people buy it, it's worth it, if not then it's not. It's just like the reality that precious metals and stones have no real value anthropologically, since our society has moved beyond the use of such things as hard currency. But marketing allows people, primarily women(call me sexist but it's true) to continue to believe that some metal or stone in the ground is worth something still. If I can't buy groceries with a diamond, I think it's useless, but marketing is magic. I am going to buy the XOOM because I have convinced myself I need it. I want a tablet to keep me company on the couch. This superbowl I was looking **** up on my phone, drove me nuts.
setite said:
The chick didn't offer me any of that stuff. I imagine they will give me the spiel on release. I rarely buy warranties on gadgets. 160$ to secure a 800$ device is too much. Insurance is only good if the device is soooo expensive that you couldn't just repurchase it in the instance that something goes wrong, like a multi-thousand dollar car. Though when offered the illusion of cheaper insurance in the form of monthly payments, like the 7$ a month for my EVO, I do fall for it .
I know you were probably being sarcastic.
I spoke to a girl in the BB Mobile department. They sound pretty insistent that they "can't sell it without a data plan". She made it clear that I could cancel at the end of the month, perhaps she didn't read their in-house playbook. Despite defending the reasons for it, I will admit that I'm mad they are saving me from my self by not allowing me to walk out with it an no data plan. I think if you argue, even if they don't match Costco's price, they might match the 35$ Mail In Rebate so that you only pay 20$.
The problem is that we can't vote with our wallets on the XOOM. Because the problem is not the XOOM. The problem is Best Buy. The problem is the fact that BB has many many loyal customers who pay their MSRP high prices to the tunes of 10s of 1000s yearly. They don't care if some geek, and I am sure I am right in stating that most of us buy from online retailers when it's cheaper, decides not to pay for the XOOM. They will chock it up to the XOOM being a failure, not to their marketing. Despite what you think of Apple, they have created an idea that if a device is desirable enough(i.e., overpriced iOS devices) people will pay through the nose.
Before you flip out. When I say overpriced I am referring to the fact that objectively, the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Subjectively, however, all value is intrinsic and the value of anything is what people will pay for it. If people buy it, it's worth it, if not then it's not. It's just like the reality that precious metals and stones have no real value anthropologically, since our society has moved beyond the use of such things as hard currency. But marketing allows people, primarily women(call me sexist but it's true) to continue to believe that some metal or stone in the ground is worth something still. If I can't buy groceries with a diamond, I think it's useless, but marketing is magic. I am going to buy the XOOM because I have convinced myself I need it. I want a tablet to keep me company on the couch. This superbowl I was looking **** up on my phone, drove me nuts.
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Yea i was sarcastic. As for overpriced i agree it is. You can buy a netbook for $200, a cheap laptop for prolly $300, and yet we will pay $699/$799 for a big cell phone that doesn't make calls...WHY??? Because as you say, we have convinced ourselves we need it. Do you know how close i was to buying the samsung tab on multiply times. I keep walking away, its to much, its to much. But now I'm buying something that's more money...figure that out.
setite said:
The chick didn't offer me any of that stuff. I imagine they will give me the spiel on release. I rarely buy warranties on gadgets. 160$ to secure a 800$ device is too much. Insurance is only good if the device is soooo expensive that you couldn't just repurchase it in the instance that something goes wrong, like a multi-thousand dollar car. Though when offered the illusion of cheaper insurance in the form of monthly payments, like the 7$ a month for my EVO, I do fall for it .
I know you were probably being sarcastic.
I spoke to a girl in the BB Mobile department. They sound pretty insistent that they "can't sell it without a data plan". She made it clear that I could cancel at the end of the month, perhaps she didn't read their in-house playbook. Despite defending the reasons for it, I will admit that I'm mad they are saving me from my self by not allowing me to walk out with it an no data plan. I think if you argue, even if they don't match Costco's price, they might match the 35$ Mail In Rebate so that you only pay 20$.
The problem is that we can't vote with our wallets on the XOOM. Because the problem is not the XOOM. The problem is Best Buy. The problem is the fact that BB has many many loyal customers who pay their MSRP high prices to the tunes of 10s of 1000s yearly. They don't care if some geek, and I am sure I am right in stating that most of us buy from online retailers when it's cheaper, decides not to pay for the XOOM. They will chock it up to the XOOM being a failure, not to their marketing. Despite what you think of Apple, they have created an idea that if a device is desirable enough(i.e., overpriced iOS devices) people will pay through the nose.
Before you flip out. When I say overpriced I am referring to the fact that objectively, the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Subjectively, however, all value is intrinsic and the value of anything is what people will pay for it. If people buy it, it's worth it, if not then it's not. It's just like the reality that precious metals and stones have no real value anthropologically, since our society has moved beyond the use of such things as hard currency. But marketing allows people, primarily women(call me sexist but it's true) to continue to believe that some metal or stone in the ground is worth something still. If I can't buy groceries with a diamond, I think it's useless, but marketing is magic. I am going to buy the XOOM because I have convinced myself I need it. I want a tablet to keep me company on the couch. This superbowl I was looking **** up on my phone, drove me nuts.
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You want a device when you are on the couch not necessarily a Xoom. You can't assume this will work for you when you have never touched one. There will be others. If money is not a concern, you are hoping that this device will live up to your expectations and I hope it does for you. But for the rest of us, cost is a huge issue along with an unproven device with no real use reviews.
bwcorvus said:
Yea i was sarcastic. As for overpriced i agree it is. You can buy a netbook for $200, a cheap laptop for prolly $300, and yet we will pay $699/$799 for a big cell phone that doesn't make calls...WHY??? Because as you say, we have convinced ourselves we need it. Do you know how close i was to buying the samsung tab on multiply times. I keep walking away, its to much, its to much. But now I'm buying something that's more money...figure that out.
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Yea I talked myself out of the Galaxy Tab because of the hardware. It's the same as my EVO, with a bigger screen.
keitht said:
You want a device when you are on the couch not necessarily a Xoom. You can't assume this will work for you when you have never touched one. There will be others. If money is not a concern, you are hoping that this device will live up to your expectations and I hope it does for you. But for the rest of us, cost is a huge issue along with an unproven device with no real use reviews.
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At the risk of jinxing myself I KNOW this device will live up to my expectations. Mostly because I have been at this too long to have unrealistic expectations. I expect Android, optimized for a 10" screen, that has full flash.
I know my HTC EVO already does flash pretty well, and the XOOM will be faster. I also know i like the OS because I have spent hours testing apps on the crappy honeycomb emulator.
I am very concerned with price, but most of the things I buy have cheaper options of comparable or inferior performance. I spent 2500$ on my i7 rig a few months ago. My friend just bought is a month or so ago, spent about half as much, because he didn't go overboard as much as me, and a few things were already cheaper. On one hand, I spent more money than I needed too. I didn't NEED two video cards. I didn't need to purchase a more expensive motherboard, but I wanted one that was black, instead of the ugly blue that gigabyte motherboards are. I didn't need to watercool the PC, or pay twice as much for the largest case I could find so that I could install watercooling without any modifications, and hide all the wires.
None of this negates the price issue with the XOOM. I would rather buy a 600$ WiFi Only XOOM. I would be able to justify the 130$ speaker dock then. At the current price, I am not sure if I am willing to spend the extra 80$ the speaker dock costs over the regular dock. I have an HTC EVO and don't need 3G in the tablet. But I have more money to spend on this tablet than I do patience to wait for a WiFi-Only version. 5 months later and there is no WiFi Only Galaxy Tab, this is why I am reluctant to wait.
Also, for my personal consideration is that the other android tablets all have something wrong with them. LG has 3D I think is stupid, Samsung uses PDMI, Notion Ink is an unproven company. I think, based on the other offerings, if the only problem with the XOOM is price then I'm sitting pretty. What I find funny is that some people are willing to pay 800$ for the XOOM but are nitpicking over 55$ for 1 month of service and activation. Granted I don't want to spend that price either, but it's still amusing.
Side Note. Is anyone else wondering what is wrong with my and my long winded posts?
setite said:
What I find funny is that some people are willing to pay 800$ for the XOOM but are nitpicking over 55$ for 1 month of service and activation. Granted I don't want to spend that price either, but it's still amusing.
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I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.
I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
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I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.
I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
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Let me play devil's advocate for a moment, and give you some perspective.
iPod Touch 32GB - 299.99
iPhone 4 32GB - 699.99
That is a difference of 400$ for the ability to make phone calls and use data. Say 200$ for Data, 200$ to make a phone call. Without sarcasm, I would honestly like to know if you considered that in your assessment that 200$ for added 3G/4G functionality is too much.
Yes, I was referring to buying it with locked wifi a per the advertisment, since I know someone will unlock it.
I wonder what very we verizons return policy is
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setite said:
But I have more money to spend on this tablet than I do patience to wait for a WiFi-Only version. 5 months later and there is no WiFi Only Galaxy Tab, this is why I am reluctant to wait.
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This quote pretty much summed it up for me too....
Jrockttu said:
I'm one of those people, and I can say that I feel that way because it's like they just keep piling on. The $55 by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that I'm paying $200 extra for 4g that the device doesn't have yet, and I'll have a 3g device that requires me to pay a $35 activation fee on top of data charges just to turn the 3g on each time if I ever decide to use the 3g capability.
I'll also have to be without my Xoom for a week if I want 4g added in, and I guarantee the 4g data plans from Verizon will be more expensive than the current 3g plans.
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The cost per gigabyte is about the same for LTE and EVDO... but, they don't have a plan that is 1, 2, or 3 GB yet. I will wait and see.
As a personal note, I am not that crazy about LTE right now because I probably won't even taste it until 2012. (I live in a small town that only got 3G four of five months ago)
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Having read the the "leaked" info the last few weeks, I wasn't completely surprised when I spoke with a TMo rep and confirmed that in order to use this phone, I'd essentially have to double my current rate plan due to the fact that I am on a Family Plan. I am, however, finding myself to be surprisingly angered by this fact.
That Google is stipulating which rate plan a customer can use on a particular device is absurd at best and insulting at worst. Am I not intelligent enough to know which rate plan suits my needs? Thank you, Google, for showing me the light. I'm glad to know that it's better for me to spend $80/month on myself PLUS the extra $80/month on my wife instead of the $100/month we spend for both right now.
Screw you, Google. And screw your phone.
nspbass
Whats the problem?
Buy it "unlocked".
if you buy the phone from tmob then you need to get a "plan" just for this phone, and the purchase price of the nexus is 180.00? or so
but if you buy it from google direct, unlocked, you just pop in your sim and your good to go...no rate plan increase or changes...however...you will pay the 530.00 asking price for the phone....
so you do have "some" optiions...
quit being a broke ass and buy the unsubsodized version and you can use your current plan. these days nice things cost money and you gotta pay to play.
wow... there are other options man. icon57 stated already...
Uhh, I am pretty sure T-Mobile decides what rates are required for the phone in order for them to fork over all that money to pay for it for you
Get the unlocked one if you aren't happy with that
These people don't do their research first do they?
Maybe I should have stated that I've been a huge fan of Google for years and of the Android OS from the first day I heard of it. I've had my G1 for quite a while now and have enjoyed it very much. When I heard of the Nexus One, I was happy to hear that I could experience Android on a much faster, much more capable phone.
Maybe I also should have stated that I'm in the military and don't make a lot of money. I've also got a wife and child I'm supporting on only my income. So, I'm not being just some broke-ass. I'm being a broke-ass soldier serving my country protecting your moron asses on a daily basis and trying to take care of my family. That's the problem with changing my rate plan or shelling out $530.
So how about this: instead of jumping on me for being displeased with this product, you shove your heads up your respective asses.
nspbass
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Screw you, Google. And screw your phone.
nspbass
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"I'm a stupid teenage girl who wants pity." is all I heard.
If you don't want a specified rate plan, buy it un-subsidized. If you have read any of the threads in this forum, you would know it is cheaper in the long run anyway for that exact reason.
You know if you wanted an iPhone used to (Not sure anymore, I don't keep up with that stuff) have to have a certain rate plan as well.
Is it a right to own a high-end phone? No, it's a privilege.. reserved for those willing to pay. If it's out of your price range, then too bad.
Being in the military does not make you holier than any of us. I am a strong supporter of the armed forces. The trouble is you have to wait till the press conference is over. Don't assume anything. By assuming you are making an ASS of U and ME and less of me I guess.
Also, all americans should expect to pay 500+ for a good decent phone. You have been in the past. You just don't realize it.
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Maybe I should have stated that I've been a huge fan of Google for years and of the Android OS from the first day I heard of it. I've had my G1 for quite a while now and have enjoyed it very much. When I heard of the Nexus One, I was happy to hear that I could experience Android on a much faster, much more capable phone.
Maybe I also should have stated that I'm in the military and don't make a lot of money. I've also got a wife and child I'm supporting on only my income. So, I'm not being just some broke-ass. I'm being a broke-ass soldier serving my country protecting your moron asses on a daily basis and trying to take care of my family. That's the problem with changing my rate plan or shelling out $530.
So how about this: instead of jumping on me for being displeased with this product, you shove your heads up your respective asses.
nspbass
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Sounds like you're in the wrong line of work then. Sorry, but as others have said, you have to pay to play... and you can't pay, so you can't play. Thanks for serving though...
seraph1024 said:
Being in the military does not make you holier than any of us. I am a strong supporter of the armed forces. The trouble is you have to wait till the press conference is over. Don't assume anything. By assuming you are making an ASS of U and ME and less of me I guess.
Also, all americans should expect to pay 500+ for a good decent phone. You have been in the past. You just don't realize it.
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Well put. I still can't believe how many people can't figure out that the subsidy is ALWAYS recovered in the form of higher plan costs. T-mobile is the only one showing this though, as they're the only carrier with a subsidized and unsubsidized pricing structure.
@nspbass
I also use a tmo plan that costs less than the one required for the Nexus One and am planning to get on a family plan with my new wifey soon. If you quickly do the math, its cheaper in the long run to buy the phone unlocked and chose your own tmo plan. Especially if you take advantage of Google Voice and Skype.
One other thing is that the Nexus One's frequency works across most continents unlike any other US carrier. I would think someone in the military would see that as an advantage.
@nspbass
Yup. But get that through the moronic heads of those fanboys on here.
In their eyes HTC, Google and TMUS can't do anything wrong!
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@nspbass
Yup. But get that through the moronic heads of those fanboys on here.
In their eyes HTC, Google and TMUS can't do anything wrong!
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Or, you can't do anything wrong yet the rest of the entire forum is wrong!
Yep, everyone is stupid and you are the truth here.
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@nspbass
Yup. But get that through the moronic heads of those fanboys on here.
In their eyes HTC, Google and TMUS can't do anything wrong!
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What did they do wrong? Act like a business that is interested in income?
Just the fact that Google/HTC is selling this for only 530 dollars is amazing in itself. Compare other phones with similar hardware (HD2) and you will see a huge price difference. Stop crying.
Will someone shut the 11-B up? Terribly sorry you're an E-2, but the military does not owe you a living and Google does not owe you a phone. Now shut that whining hole and get back to doing something marginally useful, like KP.
Duckies
(Decidedly NOT an E-2.)
to the OP:
look, it's true that the phone carrier plans cost too much and phones are expensive. the fact is, the phone companies have us by the balls and Google couldn't do anything about that by releasing one phone even if thy wanted to.
your complaints about the nexus would apply to any new phone you wanted to get. the only reason you expected more is because people on the internet hyped it so much without knowing what they were talking about, and apparently you believed them
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Having read the the "leaked" info the last few weeks, I wasn't completely surprised when I spoke with a TMo rep and confirmed that in order to use this phone, I'd essentially have to double my current rate plan due to the fact that I am on a Family Plan. I am, however, finding myself to be surprisingly angered by this fact.
That Google is stipulating which rate plan a customer can use on a particular device is absurd at best and insulting at worst. Am I not intelligent enough to know which rate plan suits my needs? Thank you, Google, for showing me the light. I'm glad to know that it's better for me to spend $80/month on myself PLUS the extra $80/month on my wife instead of the $100/month we spend for both right now.
Screw you, Google. And screw your phone.
nspbass
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WOW! - Junior member...stop crying and be sensible.
I called T-Mobile (yes...being proactive).
You can not "Downgrade or cancel" your plan (i.e. you can't remove internet, or go below 500 mins a month)
But the rep stated you are allowed to take two individual plans and merge them to a family plan. AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THE DATA AND MESSAGING plans and the MINUTES FOR EACH PLAN are higher than your current plan.
So to put it simply - YES YOU CAN GET A FAMILY PLAN, but after you have both phones activated.
Ind plans are $39.99 + Data + Messaging
Family Unlimited is $99.99 + Data + Messaging
If you are paying more, and getting more minutes - is that an Upgrade or Downgrade?
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02...pher-talks-android/?section=magazines_fortune
Author thinks that "[atrix price] seems very agressive". WTF is he smoking?
I wouldn't call it aggressive but I'd call it competitive, given the larger market. They could have asked $299 instead of $199 and they'd have gotten it.
Consider the GalaxyS phones which were still $199 a month ago, and the Atrix is supposed to be more phone (i.e. fingerprint security and a working GPS<G>). Sure, today there are retailers selling the GalaxyS unlocked and off contract for $199 and the cellcos are asking anywhere from a penny to $49...But that's the nature of smoke and mirrors.
I expect, or at least hope, the resellers will be asking $149 to beat AT&T's $199. Not aggressive, but not as piggypiggy as they normally are, either. For an AT&T employee, anything less than "Your firstborn and your wallet" is probably a radical concept.
Remember, they're still trying to convince us that phones which wholesale for $100-200 really cost them $600. (Don't you love the new math?!)
Author thinks that "[atrix price] seems very agressive". WTF is he smoking?[/QUOTE]
He is smoking the highest quality crack rolled up in our hundred dollar bills. "Aggressive"? Yes it's aggressive towards our wallets. If att doesn't straighten out their billing philosophies they will be losing customers like mad. I really hope verizon puts out some cheap unlimited plan and they steal as many iphone users as possible.
I still don't understand the "aggressiveness" over the pricing. $200 is reasonable - it is what I had paid for iPhones every year in the past, and I believe At&t is pricing the Atrix similarly because it is a direct competitor for the iPhone 4.
As far as the laptop dock pricing goes, who cares? The laptop dock is essentially a useless bell/whistle. How many of you own laptops? (most of you probably do) Your laptop is much more powerful than this webtop os. Motorola is just showing what the phone can do. It's an uneccesary extra, especially since the laptop dock requires the tethering plan... when you can just tether to your actual laptop.
Nerds are all up in arms because it's going to cost $500 to showcase their coolness with the latest and greatest piece of redundant technology.
I'm ok with the phone pricing and can't wait for it to come out. I gladly sold and shipped out my iPhone 4 for this beauty. March 6th can't come soon enough.
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I still don't understand the "aggressiveness" over the pricing. $200 is reasonable - it is what I had paid for iPhones every year in the past, and I believe At&t is pricing the Atrix similarly because it is a direct competitor for the iPhone 4.
As far as the laptop dock pricing goes, who cares? The laptop dock is essentially a useless bell/whistle. How many of you own laptops? (most of you probably do) Your laptop is much more powerful than this webtop os. Motorola is just showing what the phone can do. It's an uneccesary extra, especially since the laptop dock requires the tethering plan... when you can just tether to your actual laptop.
Nerds are all up in arms because it's going to cost $500 to showcase their coolness with the latest and greatest piece of redundant technology.
I'm ok with the phone pricing and can't wait for it to come out. I gladly sold and shipped out my iPhone 4 for this beauty. March 6th can't come soon enough.
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Paint with a narrower brush next time. I don't think anyone scrolling through XDA has any ground to call someone a nerd in a derogatory way.
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Paint with a narrower brush next time. I don't think anyone scrolling through XDA has any ground to call someone a nerd in a derogatory way.
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I apologize if it sounded derogatory. I'm a nerd myself - and a huge one at that.
My implications were, that the dock is essentially nothing more than a keyboard and screen, and it seems silly to piss and moan over a $500 price point. Is it overpriced - Yes. Does the tethering plan tack-on make sense - eh, maybe. Do we need this accessory for any reason other than to show it off (assuming you own a laptop/netbook) - absolutely not. To me it seems more like a no-brainer, and if it evokes any response/thought it is that I am almost glad it's $500 - at least I wont be tempted in the store when I go to pick up the Atrix.
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I apologize if it sounded derogatory. I'm a nerd myself - and a huge one at that.
My implications were, that the dock is essentially nothing more than a keyboard and screen, and it seems silly to piss and moan over a $500 price point. Is it overpriced - Yes. Does the tethering plan tack-on make sense - eh, maybe. Do we need this accessory for any reason other than to show it off (assuming you own a laptop/netbook) - absolutely not. To me it seems more like a no-brainer, and if it evokes any response/thought it is that I am almost glad it's $500 - at least I wont be tempted in the store when I go to pick up the Atrix.
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I agree. The only thing I might buy is the multimedia dock with keyboard/mouse, that way i can use it to mess around with what (hopefully) can be a full linux distribution on a phone and make it a second comp of sorts that I can have at my desk.
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I apologize if it sounded derogatory. I'm a nerd myself - and a huge one at that.
My implications were, that the dock is essentially nothing more than a keyboard and screen, and it seems silly to piss and moan over a $500 price point. Is it overpriced - Yes. Does the tethering plan tack-on make sense - eh, maybe. Do we need this accessory for any reason other than to show it off (assuming you own a laptop/netbook) - absolutely not. To me it seems more like a no-brainer, and if it evokes any response/thought it is that I am almost glad it's $500 - at least I wont be tempted in the store when I go to pick up the Atrix.
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That's what all the pissing and moaning is about though--that just a screen and a keyboard costs $500. However, being quick to dismiss it and its potential use is what I was referring to when I made the "painting with a broad brush" remark. So, apologies for coming off snarky. I don't mean to bring about any conflict here.
However, I ask you what kind of laptop do you have, and what are its primary uses? I have an HP HDX16 which is a 16" 16:9 laptop workhorse that is a nice do-everything machine when it comes to gaming, media, and graphic design. However, one thing it is not great for is internet surfing. My battery lasts 2 hours tops, it's a larger sized laptop, and while I don't consider it heavy, it is certainly much heavier than the Atrix's lapdock. Maybe you need to carry such a machine with you everywhere you go, but I have a ****ton of textbooks I need to carry in my backpack and the only thing I need to use my laptop for on campus is to surf the web and write notes in a word processor. The Atrix nails that, and makes me salivate at the thought of not having to take a charger with me/8 hours of battery life.
I'm just saying that there's more practical uses for it than just surfin' the internet while you poop.
No, it isn't aggressive. I think 200 should be the limit for subsidized phones; hell it costs around that fir them to buy it anyway (from China or wherever it is made).
If it were really aggressive, the laptop dock wouldn't be more than 150 since it is just a screen and a battery; keyboard.
They also wouldn't charge for tethering. That would actually make it a real threat to other phones.
With the pricing now, I can only see business people and maybe small enterprise or serious bloggers picking this up.
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150?
Some of you guys are kidding yourselves regarding the dock. 150 makes little sense. First you have a dock so lets say $60 then a keyboard say $40. Then a HD led screen $150-200 on its own easy. Yes the dock is to expensive, but I would say that it should cost between 200-300 regular. Maybe if ATT was being generous they would make a bundle with the dock costing 150 and the phone 150 with the purchase of the tethering plan. Thats just my .02.
agreed with acPIZZA. I've had a netbook for about a year now. It's nothing special but gets 7-9 hour battery life and allows me to do basic computing tasks on it. Getting the laptop dock would be redundant.
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Some of you guys are kidding yourselves regarding the dock. 150 makes little sense. First you have a dock so lets say $60 then a keyboard say $40. Then a HD led screen $150-200 on its own easy. Yes the dock is to expensive, but I would say that it should cost between 200-300 regular. Maybe if ATT was being generous they would make a bundle with the dock costing 150 and the phone 150 with the purchase of the tethering plan. Thats just my .02.
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Your pricing is so out of wack I dont' even know where to start.
The laptop dock probably costs them $100 to manufacture. I've put projects like this together, so I'm pretty confident in this cost structure from a CM perspective. This is just them gouging the early adopters. It will probably come down to 2-300 pretty fast, and probably under 200 toward the end.
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Your pricing is so out of wack I dont' even know where to start.
The laptop dock probably costs them $100 to manufacture. I've put projects like this together, so I'm pretty confident in this cost structure from a CM perspective. This is just them gouging the early adopters. It will probably come down to 2-300 pretty fast, and probably under 200 toward the end.
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How much does a good laptop battery go for nowadays?
Ultimately, they're here to make money. Of course it's going to be "high" compared to their production price. =/
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How much does a good laptop battery go for nowadays?
Ultimately, they're here to make money. Of course it's going to be "high" compared to their production price. =/
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I never said it wouldn't be. My point was that the previous poster was putting together consumer products and making an incorrect assumption.
The phone is priced at a steal, the accessories not so much. If you're looking for just the phone this is a great deal.
... Sprint is supporting the Playbook but not the Xoom? Wow! The Playbook to tablet is what the Echo is to smartphones... utter crap!
Sprint, if it wasn't for the EVO, you guys would not be around. Let's just hope they can redeem themselves this summer. I, for one, wont' hold my breath.
There's a HP event tomorrow. Hopefully we get to see some Web OS tablets for Sprint
Good Luck paying $800 for the Xoom AND $35 to Activate it on Verizon's Network (IF you want WiFi to work you have to Activate it which costs $35 AND get a monthly plan (lowest is 1gb for $20)). Yes, you have I think 3 days to cancel that monthly plan (and still use the WiFi). Bottom line, to use the Xoom you will be paying roughly:
$800 (Price of Device)
$35 (Activation Fee)
$20 (1st Month's Data Service, which can be canceled)
$80 - Tax
Total - $935 out of the door (This is the price of a MacBook Air). I have an Acer laptop that was $500 and it's way more powerful than the Xoom. Really dumb decision
Since CES I was really looking forward to the Xoom. They should have come out with a 16gb WiFi only version for $499. Now you are tied to Verizon (who will Anally Rape you and Nickel/Dime you to death). The Playbook seems like a very good alternative. My wife had a Palm Ore and WebOS is an awesome OS (better than Android and iOS). If they implement it right, the Playbook could be a huge success. There is also the LG Slate Tablet OR you can purchase a Nook Color for ($250) and root it to get Honeycomb (which is what I may end up doing if the Playbook is crappy). The Xoom is doomed to fail before it hits store shelves with that price and being tied to Verizon. Supposedly LTE will be added later (some have speculated for a fee, knowing Verizon this does not surprise me one bit). You CANNOT enter the tablet market with a device that is more expensive (by $300) than the iPad, especially when the iPad 2 is around the corner. We may get specs on the iPad 2 in a couple of weeks and that may also be the path I follow. Really wanted the Xoom, but Motorola really Effed that up.
I find the $800 (or ~$935) to be truly comical. Who would buy these things besides the most die hard, obstinate anti-Apple fan? What a shame for Android - this surely doesn't help it compete with Apple in the tablet market. :/
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Good Luck paying $800 for the Xoom AND $35 to Activate it on Verizon's Network (IF you want WiFi to work you have to Activate it which costs $35 AND get a monthly plan (lowest is 1gb for $20)). Yes, you have I think 3 days to cancel that monthly plan (and still use the WiFi). Bottom line, to use the Xoom you will be paying roughly:
$800 (Price of Device)
$35 (Activation Fee)
$20 (1st Month's Data Service, which can be canceled)
$80 - Tax
Total - $935 out of the door (This is the price of a MacBook Air). I have an Acer laptop that was $500 and it's way more powerful than the Xoom. Really dumb decision
Since CES I was really looking forward to the Xoom. They should have come out with a 16gb WiFi only version for $499. Now you are tied to Verizon (who will Anally Rape you and Nickel/Dime you to death). The Playbook seems like a very good alternative. My wife had a Palm Ore and WebOS is an awesome OS (better than Android and iOS). If they implement it right, the Playbook could be a huge success. There is also the LG Slate Tablet OR you can purchase a Nook Color for ($250) and root it to get Honeycomb (which is what I may end up doing if the Playbook is crappy). The Xoom is doomed to fail before it hits store shelves with that price and being tied to Verizon. Supposedly LTE will be added later (some have speculated for a fee, knowing Verizon this does not surprise me one bit). You CANNOT enter the tablet market with a device that is more expensive (by $300) than the iPad, especially when the iPad 2 is around the corner. We may get specs on the iPad 2 in a couple of weeks and that may also be the path I follow. Really wanted the Xoom, but Motorola really Effed that up.
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That pathetic price point makes me ecstatic I got my archos 70 in December. Of course better is around the corner, but for what I want/need out of a tablet, it's perfect.
Excuse me but I believe that I have accidentally slipped into an alternate reality.
See, where I come from, a company named Apple produces nice quality products but restricts user control over the customization of these products. Apple then charges an absurd premium for these devices and enjoy quite a cult following among millions of users.
Other companies compete with Apple by producing cheaper products and allowing more user control over the device. Some of these companies actually started using an operating system by the name of Android. This OS is opensource and therefor free to download and customize. This contributes to these companies being capable of producing quality products and selling them for far less than comparable Apple products.
Now I'm sure that you understand my dilemma. I would really like to get back to my home dimension where this is still the case.
Would any of you kind citizens please point me in the right direction to get me back to reality?
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I find the $800 (or ~$935) to be truly comical. Who would buy these things besides the most die hard, obstinate anti-Apple fan? What a shame for Android - this surely doesn't help it compete with Apple in the tablet market. :/
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Why is that? The device can be upgraded to 48+GB with SD card, which puts it on part with Apple's iPad for those storage capacities.
Hang on, so you need to pay a monthly fee even for just Wifi? That doesn't make sense. I doubt that's the case.
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Why is that? The device can be upgraded to 48+GB with SD card, which puts it on part with Apple's iPad for those storage capacities.
Hang on, so you need to pay a monthly fee even for just Wifi? That doesn't make sense. I doubt that's the case.
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You need service if you wanna buy one.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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Why is that? The device can be upgraded to 48+GB with SD card, which puts it on part with Apple's iPad for those storage capacities.
Hang on, so you need to pay a monthly fee even for just Wifi? That doesn't make sense. I doubt that's the case.
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I guess you have NOT been keeping up with what's going on then. You HAVE to purchase one month's of data service to UNLOCK WiFi (this is a slap in the face, you have to pay to use something that's already on the tablet OR it becomes a $935 paperweight). Enjoy grabbing your ankles with NO Lube.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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... Sprint is supporting the Playbook but not the Xoom? Wow! The Playbook to tablet is what the Echo is to smartphones... utter crap!
Sprint, if it wasn't for the EVO, you guys would not be around. Let's just hope they can redeem themselves this summer. I, for one, wont' hold my breath.
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The playbook is utter crap? You should cancel your plan now.
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I guess you have NOT been keeping up with what's going on then. You HAVE to purchase one month's of data service to UNLOCK WiFi (this is a slap in the face, you have to pay to use something that's already on the tablet OR it becomes a $935 paperweight). Enjoy grabbing your ankles with NO Lube.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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That is pretty ridiculous. Doesn't make sense. I won't consider it until they skip this non-sense. I'm sure they'll get a lot of backlashing for this and will have to sell Wifi-unlocked Xooms soon. Hopefully by my birthday at the end of April.
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The playbook is utter crap? You should cancel your plan now.
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Yes, utter crap! Look at the hands on videos. Just like any RIM device, this new, unreleased 'gem' is already obsolete.
If you're tired of waiting for 4G you might be able to take Verizon and/or Motorola to small claims court. I think that in NJ you can represent yourself but they, as a Corporation, must bring a lawyer to court.
Any lawyers on the forum that know what can be done? My wife once took a former employer to small claims over a breach of contract and got a couple of thousand dollars that they didn't pay her. She whupped their legal consul.
You're on the Internet.
http://google.com/search?q=small+claims+suit+faq+new+jersey
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You're on the Internet.
http://google.com/search?q=small+claims+suit+faq+new+jersey
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So do we have a case? I bought a wifi Xoom from bestbuy and at the time their website highlighted the micro-sd card and their, ahem, knowledgable salesman actually touted it as a sales point.
If not for BRD and Team Tiamat, I'd be mighty PO'd. You'd think that Motorola's marketing team is staffed by used car salesmen.
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So do we have a case? I bought a wifi Xoom from bestbuy and at the time their website highlighted the micro-sd card and their, ahem, knowledgable salesman actually touted it as a sales point.
If not for BRD and Team Tiamat, I'd be mighty PO'd. You'd think that Motorola's marketing team is staffed by used car salesmen.
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Just to point this out, Best Buy mistakenly or deliberately advertising the sdcard as available when Motorola's press had it as awaiting a software update is nobody's responsibility but Best Buy.
>So do we have a case?
No. Anybody who would ask for free legal advice from some dude on some online forum is not qualified to bring a suit against anybody about anything.
More to the point, if you think you have a case, you would not be asking me if I think you have a case.
Am I mad about no 4G? Not anymore, MiFi 4G LTE ftmfw!!!
Thanks VZW, for making things right....
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>So do we have a case?
No. Anybody who would ask for free legal advice from some dude on some online forum is not qualified to bring a suit against anybody about anything.
More to the point, if you think you have a case, you would not be asking me if I think you have a case.
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Gee, don't take it that seriously.
Stone 13 said:
Am I mad about no 4G? Not anymore, MiFi 4G LTE ftmfw!!!
Thanks VZW, for making things right....
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Did VZW give you the mifi or tap your wallet for it or require a 2 year commitment? How does the monthly fee and allotted bandwidth compare to the plan for a tablet?
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Did VZW give you the mifi or tap your wallet for it or require a 2 year commitment? How does the monthly fee and allotted bandwidth compare to the plan for a tablet?
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Got the mifi at a heavy discount, all I'll say is after the mail in rebate, I paid about 30 bucks for it. After days of *****ing, it took the place of my xoom on the existing 2yr plan so no new contract.
Data plans are the same between mifi and the xoom as far as I can tell, I was always on the 5GB data plan. Once I removed insurance on the xoom, I end up saving a few bucks every month which will more than cover the price I paid for the mifi overall. I'll warn anyone that LTE will eat your bandwidth very, very quickly. I burned thru over 1GB in about 30 minutes just screwing around. 4G is waaay overpriced, but for my work, I need it.
I did have to pay the activation fee on the mifi despite how hard I tried to get it waived, and I've been a customer for over 10yrs with 5 lines. Once the lte upgrade happens, or a suitable wifi tablet is available, the xoom goes up for sale.
I should have gone with the mifi + wifi tablet option from the start and it's what I'll be recommending to everyone looking for this kind of solution.
I'll also say that LTE on the mifi absolutely rocks, 5+ hrs of battery life and the device takes up virtually no space in my bag. I'm averaging about 16MB/s down & 14 up. I don't expect those speeds everywhere I go but it's a MAJOR improvement over 3G, the upload speed is faster than my friggin cable modem which ain't slow by most standards....
i don't care...I mean who really wants to pay for 4g anyway. I'm happy with the wifi only version
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i don't care...I mean who really wants to pay for 4g anyway. I'm happy with the wifi only version
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Still, they lied about the micro-sd card. If not for the Devs, and being willing to violate your warranty, you would not have this. I don't like being lied to.
F that. I paid for a Xoom that would have LTE and ol Sanjay said that it would justify the price on it. Give me LTE. Maybe the small claims idea isn't terrible.
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Still, they lied about the micro-sd card. If not for the Devs, and being willing to violate your warranty, you would not have this. I don't like being lied to.
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I would argue that Verizon did not lie, they underestimated the complexity of the issue. Software features going over schedule happens all the time. Verizon has made mistakes (though the sd-card issue is a Google issue, not Verizon) and should be communicating with their users better, but they did not lie to us.
I barely care a lick if I get LTE, but the fact that LTE was one of the main reasons for the Xoom's high price annoys me greatly, especially given that we'll probably see other 4G devices at a lower price on the market soon (if they aren't available already).
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I would argue that Verizon did not lie, they underestimated the complexity of the issue. Software features going over schedule happens all the time. Verizon has made mistakes (though the sd-card issue is a Google issue, not Verizon) and should be communicating with their users better, but they did not lie to us.
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To me there is little difference between breaking a promise and lying, especially when they took our money. If not for the excellent work by Team Tiamat and BRD, I'd be pretty steamed. These devs do a better job than Motorola and they don't have the oem source code.
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... especially since there's a new Motorola device with different dimensions (slightly) and an LTE radio that got FCC approval today or at some other recent point in time.
The problem you guys will probably have is that Motorola/Verizon have both said that the device is "LTE upgradeable." What you need to do is look at your purchase agreement or your contract to see what it says about that, because if they don't have anything more than "we will upgrade the device when possible," you aren't going to have much of a claim because you bought it knowing that they would at some point in time.
Now, if they don't ever upgrade it, then you can go bang down the doors of the courts but other than that, there's really no point.
I really feel for you guys because they really laid it on thick with the LTE gimmick, but it's never a good idea to buy something based on a seller's future promise to upgrade at no certain point in time.
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... especially since there's a new Motorola device with different dimensions (slightly) and an LTE radio that got FCC approval today or at some other recent point in time.
The problem you guys will probably have is that Motorola/Verizon have both said that the device is "LTE upgradeable." What you need to do is look at your purchase agreement or your contract to see what it says about that, because if they don't have anything more than "we will upgrade the device when possible," you aren't going to have much of a claim because you bought it knowing that they would at some point in time.
Now, if they don't ever upgrade it, then you can go bang down the doors of the courts but other than that, there's really no point.
I really feel for you guys because they really laid it on thick with the LTE gimmick, but it's never a good idea to buy something based on a seller's future promise to upgrade at no certain point in time.
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I do think there was something said about 90 days? With that being said since i bought it from VZW they better refund my money if i want it. If there is something wrong with their equipment provider (Motorola) not being able to keep their promise then that is VZW's problem to take up with them not mine. Now had i bought it straight from Motorola than that is different.
This would be almost like the warranty on your phone if something is wrong take it to VZW they replace it you don't send it to Motorola.
I'm not infuriated over no 4G. I barely use the 3G on mine cause of the lowest tier data plan. I'd probably lug mine around more if I had the 4G but then I'm sure I'd go over my GB pretty quick on it. I'm a little mad about basically being kept in the dark about this and the SD but it's not the end of the world. If Moto really drops a Xoom 2 with 4G/SD before I get it then we might have an issue. Looks possible.
Not mad for several reasons...
1. I don't live in an LTE area and don't think it'll be here this year.
2. Battery life would probably be worse on LTE, but that's speculation...
3. I would easily eat up my 3 GB cap on LTE.
4. I use it with wi-fi most of the time at home, where I like to browse sans desk or plug.
I have the 3gB plan too but plan to dump it and get a 4G phone with a $30 unlimited tether plan. I'm going to wait a few weeks for the bionic but if it isn't here by mid August, I'm going to get the Charge.
This is far better than any of the tablet plans.
I was thinking about it and its one of 2 things imo. I think they are using the extra bucks for the future LTE expansion, building towers and whatnot. But most likely they are a bunch of grubby pricks that want to nickel and dime us
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I've read through a lot of the huge thread, and a lot of people were saying that t-mobile tends to offer the new, hip device for an outrageous cost for the first few weeks.
If you are a current customer you might have luck calling customer service and passively threatening to switch carriers. Many people here have had luck getting $200 off the phone and a few other perks. The last 10 pages of so of the big thread are full of those stories.
I bought the phone outright. The value plan I'm on is sweet- I'm saving $450 over 2 years.
Lets hope for the first and realize this phone is actually a phone that I might keep for the 2 years for a 1st haha. There is no real reason I don't think except the fact that T-Mobile has the cheaper of the plans when it comes to the competing 3, so the 80$ more that I have to spend to get the phone compared to the 25-50$ a month I save (comparing to my friends who have Verizon and At&t I'm okay with the difference... But still wish it wasn't the case.
I'm rocking the Motorola Cliq. This phone is going to seem so amazingly quick. If I can get 2 1/2 years out of a pos phone like the Cliq I can get 2 years out of this sexy phone.
I'm just happy that I am still out of contract.
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I'm rocking the Motorola Cliq. This phone is going to seem so amazingly quick. If I can get 2 1/2 years out of a pos phone like the Cliq I can get 2 years out of this sexy phone.
I'm just happy that I am still out of contract.
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GOOOooo should've went to the G1 haha.
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GOOOooo should've went to the G1 haha.
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I almost did! I didn't want to move away from the qwerty keyboard. I've spent so much time on the computer in the last year I couldn't justify another partial upgrade. I was so close to buying an iPhone (they get upgrades, my cliq is like 1.8 or some lousy shiat) and then the SGSIII came along. I haven't slept in weeks. It's like the raspberry pi all over again.
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I was thinking about it and its one of 2 things imo. I think they are using the extra bucks for the future LTE expansion, building towers and whatnot. But most likely they are a bunch of grubby pricks that want to nickel and dime us
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Spit-balling...
T-Mobile's Value plan is supposed to encourage customer's to avoid the recent spate of aggressive phone upgrades, and they are realizing that smartphone users are unaffected by the economic argument as the situation stands.
The phones actually are more expensive than we tend to think, and even "no-commitment" pricing has been subsidized.
The worldwide currency shifts have affected the cost of phones, and most carriers have been reluctant to reflect reality in a highly competitive market.
High demand and low supply resulted in either a money-grab or an attempt to prevent people from buying up the limited supply and selling on eBay (the latter being, admittedly, unlikely given the nature of the mobile market).
Executives have started to notice that the "free phone" weekends have been eating into profits and T-Mobile is attempting to capitalize on eager buyers that clearly aren't willing to wait until the inevitable deal comes along.
The unusual modem and/or overall lower volume of T-Mobile's sales meant that they weren't able to negotiate a deal as aggressive as the larger players.
T-Mobile has an interest in seeing HTC succeed and are attempting to subtly curb the Goliath that is Samsung in an attempt to keep their leverage going.
Pricing is not related to anything other than an attempt to place devices into tiers (with the S2 at $550, the One S at $600, and the S3 as the perceived-best phone), and they didn't expect a backlash against the better phones costing more money.
T-Mobile is attempting to expand its image as the "value" service by leaving room for negotiation so that bargain-conscious customers talk them up.
Don't take any of the above too seriously. It is kind of late, I haven't put much thought into it, and I've had a lot to drink.
In any case, relative value is relative value. I don't care that Redbox is losing money renting to me for $0.70, it makes me unwilling to pay for Blockbuster Express at $3. I don't care that an album costs $7 at my preferred service of Amazon MP3, I am unwilling to buy because Google Music has it $4. At the end of the day, the (vocal) minority of us that hang it forums like this will sweat the price difference because we spend all of our time comparing like items.
It isn't even remotely fair to T-Mobile (or whomever), but it is human.
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Spit-balling...
T-Mobile's Value plan is supposed to encourage customer's to avoid the recent spate of aggressive phone upgrades, and they are realizing that smartphone users are unaffected by the economic argument as the situation stands.
The phones actually are more expensive than we tend to think, and even "no-commitment" pricing has been subsidized.
The worldwide currency shifts have affected the cost of phones, and most carriers have been reluctant to reflect reality in a highly competitive market.
High demand and low supply resulted in either a money-grab or an attempt to prevent people from buying up the limited supply and selling on eBay (the latter being, admittedly, unlikely given the nature of the mobile market).
Executives have started to notice that the "free phone" weekends have been eating into profits and T-Mobile is attempting to capitalize on eager buyers that clearly aren't willing to wait until the inevitable deal comes along.
The unusual modem and/or overall lower volume of T-Mobile's sales meant that they weren't able to negotiate a deal as aggressive as the larger players.
T-Mobile has an interest in seeing HTC succeed and are attempting to subtly curb the Goliath that is Samsung in an attempt to keep their leverage going.
Pricing is not related to anything other than an attempt to place devices into tiers (with the S2 at $550, the One S at $600, and the S3 as the perceived-best phone), and they didn't expect a backlash against the better phones costing more money.
T-Mobile is attempting to expand its image as the "value" service by leaving room for negotiation so that bargain-conscious customers talk them up.
Don't take any of the above too seriously. It is kind of late, I haven't put much thought into it, and I've had a lot to drink.
In any case, relative value is relative value. I don't care that Redbox is losing money renting to me for $0.70, it makes me unwilling to pay for Blockbuster Express at $3. I don't care that an album costs $7 at my preferred service of Amazon MP3, I am unwilling to buy because Google Music has it $4. At the end of the day, the (vocal) minority of us that hang it forums like this will sweat the price difference because we spend all of our time comparing like items.
It isn't even remotely fair to T-Mobile (or whomever), but it is human.
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I wish I could write so eloquently when drunk. What's your fark handle?
It's sort of amazing to see people complaining about the "high" price without factoring in the total price of the contract or looking at the ETF. Worrisome.
Last year the GS2 and Amaze 4G were priced in the mid $200s so this seems pretty normal for T-mobile. T-mobile has also mused about contract pricing and how it is affecting their competitiveness and bottomline. Since the phone is untouched mostly there were probably other concessions that T-mobile wanted with Samsung on pricing. Then of course this phone is even more feature packed than the last, and you can't remove components once you place it in your previous flagship model (the GS2) so they are getting more and more expensive.
I don't think ETF factors much, unless you are some crazy person who likes to break contracts all the time and can't wait out the 2 years. T-mobile contract prices are lower, sure, but not by much.
Why doesn't anyone incorporate how much the plans cost prior to complaining about the cost of the phone?
I remember reading somewhere that stated studies show customers are more prone to sign with a carrier based on the price of the phone instead of the rate plan.
Let's wise up, fellas. Don't be a poor consumer.
tmobile is the only company selling the phone at this point, and in limited markets at that. I am wondering if they're selling the phone at such a high price in the beggining because they know they can. Look at the overwhelming demand coupled with such a limited supply. It's an easy cash cow. Im wondering if I should wait out and see if the price will go down in the next few weeks. ATT and Sprint are both selling 32gb at 600 and tmobile is selling them at 670 but like I said before Tmobile is the only one selling them at this point and they're pretty much done in Manhattan (i called a bunch of stores already).
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Why doesn't anyone incorporate how much the plans cost prior to complaining about the cost of the phone?
I remember reading somewhere that stated studies show customers are more prone to sign with a carrier based on the price of the phone instead of the rate plan.
Let's wise up, fellas. Don't be a poor consumer.
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The purchase of the phone is the only time they have to fork out a bunch of money so it makes sense that the cost will drive many consumers. For the most part, the rate plan costs are similar across the market. Yes, Verizon is the most expensive but they have a reputation for offering the best network and that allows them to charge a premium.
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The purchase of the phone is the only time they have to fork out a bunch of money so it makes sense that the cost will drive many consumers. For the most part, the rate plan costs are similar across the market. Yes, Verizon is the most expensive but they have a reputation for offering the best network and that allows them to charge a premium.
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Not really. AT&T and Verizon are both equally expensive, and while Sprint is a bit cheaper (comparable unlimited talk/text plans closest to T-Mobile's 5GB web/tethering in this case), you're still paying a substantially bigger amount over the 2 years even with a cheaper phone.