http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02...pher-talks-android/?section=magazines_fortune
Author thinks that "[atrix price] seems very agressive". WTF is he smoking?
I wouldn't call it aggressive but I'd call it competitive, given the larger market. They could have asked $299 instead of $199 and they'd have gotten it.
Consider the GalaxyS phones which were still $199 a month ago, and the Atrix is supposed to be more phone (i.e. fingerprint security and a working GPS<G>). Sure, today there are retailers selling the GalaxyS unlocked and off contract for $199 and the cellcos are asking anywhere from a penny to $49...But that's the nature of smoke and mirrors.
I expect, or at least hope, the resellers will be asking $149 to beat AT&T's $199. Not aggressive, but not as piggypiggy as they normally are, either. For an AT&T employee, anything less than "Your firstborn and your wallet" is probably a radical concept.
Remember, they're still trying to convince us that phones which wholesale for $100-200 really cost them $600. (Don't you love the new math?!)
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He is smoking the highest quality crack rolled up in our hundred dollar bills. "Aggressive"? Yes it's aggressive towards our wallets. If att doesn't straighten out their billing philosophies they will be losing customers like mad. I really hope verizon puts out some cheap unlimited plan and they steal as many iphone users as possible.
I still don't understand the "aggressiveness" over the pricing. $200 is reasonable - it is what I had paid for iPhones every year in the past, and I believe At&t is pricing the Atrix similarly because it is a direct competitor for the iPhone 4.
As far as the laptop dock pricing goes, who cares? The laptop dock is essentially a useless bell/whistle. How many of you own laptops? (most of you probably do) Your laptop is much more powerful than this webtop os. Motorola is just showing what the phone can do. It's an uneccesary extra, especially since the laptop dock requires the tethering plan... when you can just tether to your actual laptop.
Nerds are all up in arms because it's going to cost $500 to showcase their coolness with the latest and greatest piece of redundant technology.
I'm ok with the phone pricing and can't wait for it to come out. I gladly sold and shipped out my iPhone 4 for this beauty. March 6th can't come soon enough.
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I still don't understand the "aggressiveness" over the pricing. $200 is reasonable - it is what I had paid for iPhones every year in the past, and I believe At&t is pricing the Atrix similarly because it is a direct competitor for the iPhone 4.
As far as the laptop dock pricing goes, who cares? The laptop dock is essentially a useless bell/whistle. How many of you own laptops? (most of you probably do) Your laptop is much more powerful than this webtop os. Motorola is just showing what the phone can do. It's an uneccesary extra, especially since the laptop dock requires the tethering plan... when you can just tether to your actual laptop.
Nerds are all up in arms because it's going to cost $500 to showcase their coolness with the latest and greatest piece of redundant technology.
I'm ok with the phone pricing and can't wait for it to come out. I gladly sold and shipped out my iPhone 4 for this beauty. March 6th can't come soon enough.
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Paint with a narrower brush next time. I don't think anyone scrolling through XDA has any ground to call someone a nerd in a derogatory way.
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Paint with a narrower brush next time. I don't think anyone scrolling through XDA has any ground to call someone a nerd in a derogatory way.
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I apologize if it sounded derogatory. I'm a nerd myself - and a huge one at that.
My implications were, that the dock is essentially nothing more than a keyboard and screen, and it seems silly to piss and moan over a $500 price point. Is it overpriced - Yes. Does the tethering plan tack-on make sense - eh, maybe. Do we need this accessory for any reason other than to show it off (assuming you own a laptop/netbook) - absolutely not. To me it seems more like a no-brainer, and if it evokes any response/thought it is that I am almost glad it's $500 - at least I wont be tempted in the store when I go to pick up the Atrix.
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I apologize if it sounded derogatory. I'm a nerd myself - and a huge one at that.
My implications were, that the dock is essentially nothing more than a keyboard and screen, and it seems silly to piss and moan over a $500 price point. Is it overpriced - Yes. Does the tethering plan tack-on make sense - eh, maybe. Do we need this accessory for any reason other than to show it off (assuming you own a laptop/netbook) - absolutely not. To me it seems more like a no-brainer, and if it evokes any response/thought it is that I am almost glad it's $500 - at least I wont be tempted in the store when I go to pick up the Atrix.
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I agree. The only thing I might buy is the multimedia dock with keyboard/mouse, that way i can use it to mess around with what (hopefully) can be a full linux distribution on a phone and make it a second comp of sorts that I can have at my desk.
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I apologize if it sounded derogatory. I'm a nerd myself - and a huge one at that.
My implications were, that the dock is essentially nothing more than a keyboard and screen, and it seems silly to piss and moan over a $500 price point. Is it overpriced - Yes. Does the tethering plan tack-on make sense - eh, maybe. Do we need this accessory for any reason other than to show it off (assuming you own a laptop/netbook) - absolutely not. To me it seems more like a no-brainer, and if it evokes any response/thought it is that I am almost glad it's $500 - at least I wont be tempted in the store when I go to pick up the Atrix.
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That's what all the pissing and moaning is about though--that just a screen and a keyboard costs $500. However, being quick to dismiss it and its potential use is what I was referring to when I made the "painting with a broad brush" remark. So, apologies for coming off snarky. I don't mean to bring about any conflict here.
However, I ask you what kind of laptop do you have, and what are its primary uses? I have an HP HDX16 which is a 16" 16:9 laptop workhorse that is a nice do-everything machine when it comes to gaming, media, and graphic design. However, one thing it is not great for is internet surfing. My battery lasts 2 hours tops, it's a larger sized laptop, and while I don't consider it heavy, it is certainly much heavier than the Atrix's lapdock. Maybe you need to carry such a machine with you everywhere you go, but I have a ****ton of textbooks I need to carry in my backpack and the only thing I need to use my laptop for on campus is to surf the web and write notes in a word processor. The Atrix nails that, and makes me salivate at the thought of not having to take a charger with me/8 hours of battery life.
I'm just saying that there's more practical uses for it than just surfin' the internet while you poop.
No, it isn't aggressive. I think 200 should be the limit for subsidized phones; hell it costs around that fir them to buy it anyway (from China or wherever it is made).
If it were really aggressive, the laptop dock wouldn't be more than 150 since it is just a screen and a battery; keyboard.
They also wouldn't charge for tethering. That would actually make it a real threat to other phones.
With the pricing now, I can only see business people and maybe small enterprise or serious bloggers picking this up.
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150?
Some of you guys are kidding yourselves regarding the dock. 150 makes little sense. First you have a dock so lets say $60 then a keyboard say $40. Then a HD led screen $150-200 on its own easy. Yes the dock is to expensive, but I would say that it should cost between 200-300 regular. Maybe if ATT was being generous they would make a bundle with the dock costing 150 and the phone 150 with the purchase of the tethering plan. Thats just my .02.
agreed with acPIZZA. I've had a netbook for about a year now. It's nothing special but gets 7-9 hour battery life and allows me to do basic computing tasks on it. Getting the laptop dock would be redundant.
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Some of you guys are kidding yourselves regarding the dock. 150 makes little sense. First you have a dock so lets say $60 then a keyboard say $40. Then a HD led screen $150-200 on its own easy. Yes the dock is to expensive, but I would say that it should cost between 200-300 regular. Maybe if ATT was being generous they would make a bundle with the dock costing 150 and the phone 150 with the purchase of the tethering plan. Thats just my .02.
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Your pricing is so out of wack I dont' even know where to start.
The laptop dock probably costs them $100 to manufacture. I've put projects like this together, so I'm pretty confident in this cost structure from a CM perspective. This is just them gouging the early adopters. It will probably come down to 2-300 pretty fast, and probably under 200 toward the end.
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Your pricing is so out of wack I dont' even know where to start.
The laptop dock probably costs them $100 to manufacture. I've put projects like this together, so I'm pretty confident in this cost structure from a CM perspective. This is just them gouging the early adopters. It will probably come down to 2-300 pretty fast, and probably under 200 toward the end.
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How much does a good laptop battery go for nowadays?
Ultimately, they're here to make money. Of course it's going to be "high" compared to their production price. =/
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How much does a good laptop battery go for nowadays?
Ultimately, they're here to make money. Of course it's going to be "high" compared to their production price. =/
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I never said it wouldn't be. My point was that the previous poster was putting together consumer products and making an incorrect assumption.
The phone is priced at a steal, the accessories not so much. If you're looking for just the phone this is a great deal.
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Its seems that the fine folks at phandroid have stumbled across this little nugget of info tucked neatly away in the fine print of the Samsung Vibrant's shop page.
†On approved credit. $82.50 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $82.50, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details.
phandroid.com/2010/06/30/samsung-vibrant-to-cost-330-off-contract-galaxy-s-fine-print/
If u do the math that equates to $330. I hope T-Mobile plays it smart and doesn't change the price before launch, because I definitely assumed the off contract price would be $450-$550
In any event, there also seems to be a "REAL" screen cap of the actual price tag on the page before TMO decided to remove it. Here's the link to that also...
androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/112106-no-secret-vibrant-full-price-329-99-a.html#post1041189
DO RIGHT BY US LOYAL, DOWNTRODDEN CUSTOMERS TMO!!
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Its seems that the fine folks at phandroid have stumbled across this little nugget of info tucked neatly away in the fine print of the Samsung Vibrant's shop page.
†On approved credit. $82.50 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $82.50, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details.
phandroid.com/2010/06/30/samsung-vibrant-to-cost-330-off-contract-galaxy-s-fine-print/
If u do the math that equates to $330. I hope T-Mobile plays it smart and doesn't change the price before launch, because I definitely assumed the off contract price would be $450-$550
In any event, there also seems to be a "REAL" screen cap of the actual price tag on the page before TMO decided to remove it. Here's the link to that also...
androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/112106-no-secret-vibrant-full-price-329-99-a.html#post1041189
DO RIGHT BY US LOYAL, DOWNTRODDEN CUSTOMERS TMO!!
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Jesus Christ. Do you seriously think that the Nexus One retails for $529 but THIS phone - which is better in every.single.way is going to retail for $330?
That's quite literally one of the stupidest things I think i've read in a long, long time.
Personally, Im pretty sure the phone is going to cost $500+ because the on contract price vs. this supposed on contract price doesn't make sense and this also bucks the trend of previous costs associated with phones of this level.
However, it would be a nice (and courageous) move on TMO's part with this slightly, in comparison, paired down galaxy s model to move units.
Anyway, I thought I would share this sliver of hope with the TMO faithful lol.
This just reminds me of the entire "Project Dark" / EM+ debacle where some blogs reported errors/rumors as facts of an upcoming program. So when EM+ came out, the news wasn't that TMO cut their pricing, it was that they didn't live up to the hype that some bloggers posted about false pricing info.
Same damn thing now. People ARE going to be disappointed if they think that in any reality (normal or alternate) TMO is going to sell this phone for $330 without a contract to recoup the cost of the device.
also, this phone is a $750 phone unlocked:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...w?ie=UTF8&qid=1277908710&sr=8-1&condition=new
If you look at the T-mobile site now it says "125 down, with 3 monthly payments of 125" thus making the phone in the $500 range
as you said, that price has been pulled down, and curently at the bottom of the page is of the info screen (when you go to their web and shop for phones, and then for samsung phones) it shows:
"†On approved credit. $125 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $125, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details...."
others have reported off contract pricing at $439 / $439 and some at $499
we'll see this week
I was told by tmo to call on tuesday to find out the pricing of the phone
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I was told by tmo to call on tuesday to find out the pricing of the phone
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Im going to try that to find out how much it cost with the Equipment Installment Plan
Store rep told me that it'd be at the lowest, similar priced to the HD2 or about 479. She said it won't go any lower than that.
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Jesus Christ. Do you seriously think that the Nexus One retails for $529 but THIS phone - which is better in every.single.way is going to retail for $330?
That's quite literally one of the stupidest things I think i've read in a long, long time.
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The Vibrant is defiantly NOT better in every single way.
The Nexus one Has a Bluetooth car dock, No word about anything like that for the Galaxy S phones.
The Nexus One is made out of much much better materials, The vibrant feels cheap in the hand and the body looks cheap, the only thing on the Vibrant that looks better is the screen.
The Vibrant has no FLASH, How some one could make a High end Android phone without a flash is beyond me, but oh well.
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The Vibrant is defiantly NOT better in every single way.
The Nexus one Has a Bluetooth car dock, No word about anything like that for the Galaxy S phones.
The Nexus One is made out of much much better materials, The vibrant feels cheap in the hand and the body looks cheap, the only thing on the Vibrant that looks better is the screen.
The Vibrant has no FLASH, How some one could make a High end Android phone without a flash is beyond me, but oh well.
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looks like someones a little insecure
siberslug you mad?
Mad, No, I come off as mad ?
I'm just saying it's not better in every way, overall I think it's better in terms of hardware like the GPU, Screen and it's file sharing capabilities.
I would agree with him if the Vibrant was built from better material and had a flash, hell I would call it a Droid and EVO killer if it had a front facing camera in addition to the flash and better material but there is too much missing to call it that.
I just bought this to hold me over until project Emerald comes out in November
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looks like someones a little insecure
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LOL
You got me.
I like big Bad @$$ things to compensate for my short comings lol
A bit disappointed but no not insecure. I will still rub this phone into all the Iphone fanboys faces and be proud to do so !! even though I don't have a flash or front facing camera or an exquisite finish that I could roll around naked on
So, who is not getting the Atrix now due to AT&T forcing tethering and horrible pricing?
see: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...ailable-for-preorder-on-feb-13-115191644.html
Me. Att is so stupid.
What is the next best phone for att now?
I will definetly NOT be getting it.
First $500 for the laptop dock by itself, ARE YOU KIDDING!!! Yes, I know there is a package where you can get both for $500. However, that requires you to change to a 2gb data pro plan with tethering. Why the hell would I pay to tether something to my phone that isn't even a fully functioning separate device?
To convince me to get it, they would have to change it to $150 phone, $150 dock, no change in my plan.
Press release HERE for those that haven't seen it.
Add me to this list.
Price of phone and laptop dock: $599.99 -- though they'll send you one of those annoying-to-use $100 gift card credit cards.
That's the price WITH a 2-year contract which carries a $325 Early Termination Fee.
Purchase of their most expensive data plan with tethering is REQUIRED. Even if you aren't planning to tether. Just using Firefox in laptop mode requires that plan.
Plus the phone is locked down all to hell, with an encrypted bootloader and restrictions on what you can download from the app market and restrictions on sideloading.
Screw you, AT&T. It makes me so sick to see such an awesome phone screwed by your ridiculous corporate policies and just plain greed.
Goodbye Atrix and AT&T. Hello Thunderbolt and Verizon.
(God I never thought I'd say the V word...)
Yah, I am very disappointed in this announcement as I was looking forward to this phone and using it on my unlimited data plan. I could have gone with the ****ty pricing, but giving up my unlimited for a tethering plan that is more expensive and when I am not even tethering anything, nope. Now I'm going to have to seriously consider going to another carrier. What are the other phones to consider now that this one is dead out of the starting gates?
I figured this news required a hitler reaction video
here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQEyFsO4XZ4
WTF..... Screw it I might as well get the flippin inspire now... I might consider switching to verizon too for the thunderbolt... We'll see.
Will still probably get it. But will also probably be getting the xoom when it comes out in addition.
Not sure at this point, will be waiting to see what happens with WMC. That LG
3D phone is starting to look pretty good imo.
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I figured this news required a hitler reaction video
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I uploaded this to Reddit (search "Hitler reacts to ATT's released Atrix pricing". I have too few posts to post links). If you have a username there that you'd like me to apply credit to let me know.
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I uploaded this to Reddit (search "Hitler reacts to ATT's released Atrix pricing". I have too few posts to post links). If you have a username there that you'd like me to apply credit to let me know.
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lol thanks, nah no credit needed just get word out all of us excited about atrix are furious
Guess i'm just going to settle for an inspire. Partly due to the principle of it, partly because that laptop dock was the only real thing i was excited about, i'd rather have the 4.3" screen. Tegra 2 is exciting, but I don't game much, or any heavy multitasking. So Inspire here i come
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lol thanks, nah no credit needed just get word out all of us excited about atrix are furious
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Posted on Gizmodo #whitenoise.
Um yeah, TOTALLY not getting the Atrix at this point. What's the point of getting it if we can't dock it and use all it's power.
Jesus ATT, this is the possible worst case scenario, expensive ass dock, tethering required. Give it to em to blow shi* out of the water. So upset. They'll lose and I hope they do, so much more money than they could have made.
I want to know what is going on in their market research department. Do they honestly think people are going to pay for this? $500 for a laptop dock? An extra $20 for tethering when you're not even tethering? I see a VERY tiny market for that. Average Joe Consumer wouldn't be interested in that in the first place. XDA Geeks totally would, but not at that price out of principle. What does that leave, business users? No company in their right mind is going to give their employees a device that will actually decrease their mobile productivity, especially at the price. Citrix or not, you won't be able to do much real work. And even with the Citrix, connectivity and speed will be spotty at best on AT&T's overburdened network.
EDIT: I wonder if this is going to be like the first iPhone where Apple had to lower the price by $100 (or was it $200?) after a month to get people to start buying the thing. You'd think AT&T would learn...
I'll get an inspire
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ATT isn't forcing tethering, thats only if you use the dock.
MOD EDIT: Respect others, first and final warning
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ATT isn't forcing tethering, thats only if you use the dock.
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The most defining feature of the phone comes with a mandatory charge. People should be raising hell about this. ATT SUCKS.
Infuse Here I Come!!!
Thought I had made up my mind on the Atrix, but $300 for a battery/monitor??? What's the point. I don't game, so I may as well go for the Sammy Infuse with it's bigger and much better screen, and 1.2 processor.
I'm hopeful that Sammy will feel pressure to announce a release date soon, since yesterday was HTC and today was Moto.
http://briefmobile.com/xoom-officially-priced-at-800-only-one-sku-to-choose-from-a-ranteditorial
A pretty good read.
And dont forget to rant about this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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http://briefmobile.com/xoom-officially-priced-at-800-only-one-sku-to-choose-from-a-ranteditorial
A pretty good read.
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And dont forget to rant about this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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really lame and greedy. Wanted one too. Not anymore.
same here. No way I'll pay $800 for a device that's essentially the same as the Viewsonic Gtab w/ a better OS (and a few other bells and whistles - NOT $400 worth) for DOUBLE the price. Stupid Stupid move on Motorola's part. $500 makes sense, $800 is pure stupidity. I'll keep my fingers crossed for another device that fits the $500 mark, or just wait it out w/ my newly purchased $399 Galaxy Tab for the prices to come down.
Well, this is not wifi-only device.
I don't think you can expect NON wifi-only device for $500 with this kind of spec.
If you are looking for wifi-only device (like the iPad $500 price point), then this is not for you. You need to wait ... until there is that wifi-only version released.
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same here. No way I'll pay $800 for a device that's essentially the same as the Viewsonic Gtab w/ a better OS (and a few other bells and whistles - NOT $400 worth) for DOUBLE the price. Stupid Stupid move on Motorola's part. $500 makes sense, $800 is pure stupidity. I'll keep my fingers crossed for another device that fits the $500 mark, or just wait it out w/ my newly purchased $399 Galaxy Tab for the prices to come down.
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How funny is that. Were in a recession, yet you want to charge 800 for a tablet that's wifi locked and you MUST pay at least one month of Verizons data plan just to unlock the wifi. I call bull****. Lost alot of respect from me.
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Well, this is not wifi-only device.
I don't think you can expect NON wifi-only device for $500 with this kind of spec.
If you are looking for wifi-only device (like the iPad $500 price point), then this is not for you. You need to wait ... until there is that wifi-only version released.
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So your saying the cellular portion of these devices costs and/or is worth the extra $300 price tag? I would speculate the additional technology cost would be happily subsidized by any cellular company getting a data plan rate from the consumer and SHOULD keep this device around $500. The profits from the data plans that the cellular companies are getting from $20+ a month?? come on...seriously???
Let's call a spade a spade, Motorola believes that people will pay a premium for the 'FIRST' Android 3.0 device AND wants to ride the 'ipad' wave w/ the cellular providers pushing their wares + data plans. This $800 price tag wont last long. Apple sells the 'Apple' brand (hey look I bought an 'APPLE'), Motorola sells devices (no one is running around going 'hey look I bought a 'Motorola' - who cares???)
This thing will drop in price significantly over the next 6 months as they 1) get past the few people that are willing to throw money away to be 'latest/greatest' at all costs and 2) start to realize that significant sales will only come when the price is reasonable and one is purchasing them at this premium.
iPad prices are sure to drop as the iPad2 is released...WHY would people pay $800 for an 'Android' when they will *likely* be able to purchase the ipad 1 for $400-$600??? you have to compete and Motorola isn't unfortantely able to compete on brand, so it needs to compete for price + technology.
Let's not forget these are 'consumer' devices not computers, sure you can go 'spec for spec' w/ the nerds, but the masses don't really care about all that stuff....and the masses is who your selling your device to, to get 10+million devices in sales...
When the price leaked several weeks ago, any hope I had of getting a Xoom was gone. Even if it had not been shot down then, the new news that the price will be $800 and there will be a CHARGE to activate wifi .... would have done me in.
I made the decision to get the Nook Color. A week later someone had ported a working version/img of HC to the NC from the sdk release. The dang $800 Xoom can showcase it's stuff in a few weeks and I'm happy for people that will get it as I know it will be beautiful. The HC UI is gorgeous, beyond my expectations. I'll sit here happily with my $250 NC reader/table running HC. So far everything my friend with an iPad can do, I can do on my NC. It's 100%stable when running the rooted Eclair or Froyo, and about 80+% (and improving with each release) stable and useable running HC.
I guess Motorola thinks people are going to replace their laptops with a 10 inch tablet? Maybe. imo - doubtful. For $800 I'd sooner replace my laptop than get the Xoom.
Wow... that whole thing read like my thought process in the first few minutes after that Best Buy ad came out, including my decision to hold off buying and see what T-Mobile has in store.
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How funny is that. Were in a recession, yet you want to charge 800 for a tablet that's wifi locked and you MUST pay at least one month of Verizons data plan just to unlock the wifi. I call bull****. Lost alot of respect from me.
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Exactly. People aren't exactly looking to just throw $800+ out the window on something they don't need. A $500 Wifi iPad is a MUCH better purchase until Honeycomb/the Xoom become established in the market.
Bull****. No such thing as locking Wifi in Android. So stop the lies.
Its just Verizon wanting to push their service.
Really?
$800 is too much?
How much is the price of your cellphone if you bought it without a contract?
Get a grip.
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Really?
$800 is too much?
How much is the price of your cellphone if you bought it without a contract?
Get a grip.
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Thats great, so just because cell phones are outrageously expensive, tablets should be too?
The only thing that expensive tablets will bring is more carrier controlled bull****. This subsidized pricing model lets prices get ridiculously inflated and only screws us.
Don't spend 800 on this thing and do us all a favor.
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Thats great, so just because cell phones are outrageously expensive, tablets should be too?
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So, you really expect something 2 to 3 times the size of a cellphone, with much better specs, way larger screen, to be cheaper.
Yep. Makes total sense.
Right.....
tullywork said:
So your saying the cellular portion of these devices costs and/or is worth the extra $300 price tag? I would speculate the additional technology cost would be happily subsidized by any cellular company getting a data plan rate from the consumer and SHOULD keep this device around $500. The profits from the data plans that the cellular companies are getting from $20+ a month?? come on...seriously???
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Well, I don't know the price for that cellular components. But take a look on device that has similar specs (hardware wise) and has cellular capability.
Probably, if you shrink the Xoom display to around 4" like your Android phone, you will get that for $500.
Got that?
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Let's call a spade a spade, Motorola believes that people will pay a premium for the 'FIRST' Android 3.0 device AND wants to ride the 'ipad' wave w/ the cellular providers pushing their wares + data plans. This $800 price tag wont last long. Apple sells the 'Apple' brand (hey look I bought an 'APPLE'), Motorola sells devices (no one is running around going 'hey look I bought a 'Motorola' - who cares???)
This thing will drop in price significantly over the next 6 months as they 1) get past the few people that are willing to throw money away to be 'latest/greatest' at all costs and 2) start to realize that significant sales will only come when the price is reasonable and one is purchasing them at this premium.
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Of course, that's the early/first adopters price. You know that well.
Price will drop, significantly for tech product.
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iPad prices are sure to drop as the iPad2 is released...WHY would people pay $800 for an 'Android' when they will *likely* be able to purchase the ipad 1 for $400-$600??? you have to compete and Motorola isn't unfortantely able to compete on brand, so it needs to compete for price + technology.
Let's not forget these are 'consumer' devices not computers, sure you can go 'spec for spec' w/ the nerds, but the masses don't really care about all that stuff....and the masses is who your selling your device to, to get 10+million devices in sales...
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If they want an iPad, they will buy an iPad, simple
If they don't want to spend more money they will buy iPad 1 instead of iPad 2 anyway.
Henchman said:
So, you really expect something 2 to 3 times the size of a cellphone, with much better specs, way larger screen, to be cheaper.
Yep. Makes total sense.
Right.....
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No contract iPhone 4 16gb is 599. 16Gb 3g ipad is 629. I didn't realize size was the only factor that determined cost. Some big laptops are cheeeeaaaap. Atrix is cheaper than the xoom by 200 dollars. Same specs. Stop excusing awful pricing.
eallan said:
No contract iPhone 4 16gb is 599. 16Gb 3g ipad is 629. I didn't realize size was the only factor that determined cost. Some big laptops are cheeeeaaaap. Atrix is cheaper than the xoom by 200 dollars. Same specs. Stop excusing awful pricing.
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Really? You use yet another phone as a comparison?
What part of "size is a factor " didn't you understand?
You have a screen that is almost three times the size.
Way more RAM
And a much larger battery.
And these are simply the more obvious differences.
A 32gb Class 6 sd card alone runs about $100
The screens aren't cheap either. My guess is that they are at least $200.
And we haven't even talked about development costs, and the other parts.
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Really?
$800 is too much?
How much is the price of your cellphone if you bought it without a contract?
Get a grip.
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Let's not act like the article doesn't have some good points though. Let's take a look at Apple, and the iPad. You can buy a 16, 32 and 64 gig iPad. You can only buy a 32 gig Xoom. Personally, I do not need a 32 gig device, so I cannot justify throwing out $800 for something I'm not going to fully use.
THAT is where Moto made their mistake if you ask me. Only coming to the table with one option. Now, we've heard rumors of a WiFi ony model waiting in the wings, so maybe they do have an entry level 16 gig Xoom waiting in the wings. BUT, Moto would be much better served releasing it from the get go than holding it back.
You can add SD card with Xoom
Homan13PSU said:
Let's not act like the article doesn't have some good points though. Let's take a look at Apple, and the iPad. You can buy a 16, 32 and 64 gig iPad. You can only buy a 32 gig Xoom. Personally, I do not need a 32 gig device, so I cannot justify throwing out $800 for something I'm not going to fully use.
THAT is where Moto made their mistake if you ask me. Only coming to the table with one option. Now, we've heard rumors of a WiFi ony model waiting in the wings, so maybe they do have an entry level 16 gig Xoom waiting in the wings. BUT, Moto would be much better served releasing it from the get go than holding it back.
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I dont understand posts that say, If you dont wanna pay the premium, go get an iPad! pfffft~!..
Most of us here are fans of android, and want to see it succeed... Over the iPad and iOS devices..
What I'm worried is about the platform itself getting a bad image.. the iPad has a huge lead in user base already.. and apps already get months of early release on the iPad, starting android development only after the iOS version launches.. a device like this will only widen the gap..
Remember Sony and the PS3? "We want our users to work harder and save up for a PS3"... remember what happened? People bought 360's and Wii's...
Sigh.. and I own a ps3.. and I want a Xoom.. I'm just worried about the platform itself.. and since the Xoom was revealed to most of the general public in a high profile Superbowl ad, people will get this impression of the platform as expensive.. and not worth a premium over the iPad.. which is pretty too.. but cheaper.. and made by Apple.. which we all know is wrong.. but the general consumer doesnt..
I was talking w/ some of the people at my school, and people still dont realize that Android has anything to do with Google.. which i think is a mistake also.. people think android is a DROID device.. made by verizon.. some people dont realize that droid is even on other networks.. People trust Apple.. People trust Google.. but people dont know that Android = Google.. this I think is a problem..
And developers and other users follow where the general public user goes.. this is what I think the biggest problem is.
... Sprint is supporting the Playbook but not the Xoom? Wow! The Playbook to tablet is what the Echo is to smartphones... utter crap!
Sprint, if it wasn't for the EVO, you guys would not be around. Let's just hope they can redeem themselves this summer. I, for one, wont' hold my breath.
There's a HP event tomorrow. Hopefully we get to see some Web OS tablets for Sprint
Good Luck paying $800 for the Xoom AND $35 to Activate it on Verizon's Network (IF you want WiFi to work you have to Activate it which costs $35 AND get a monthly plan (lowest is 1gb for $20)). Yes, you have I think 3 days to cancel that monthly plan (and still use the WiFi). Bottom line, to use the Xoom you will be paying roughly:
$800 (Price of Device)
$35 (Activation Fee)
$20 (1st Month's Data Service, which can be canceled)
$80 - Tax
Total - $935 out of the door (This is the price of a MacBook Air). I have an Acer laptop that was $500 and it's way more powerful than the Xoom. Really dumb decision
Since CES I was really looking forward to the Xoom. They should have come out with a 16gb WiFi only version for $499. Now you are tied to Verizon (who will Anally Rape you and Nickel/Dime you to death). The Playbook seems like a very good alternative. My wife had a Palm Ore and WebOS is an awesome OS (better than Android and iOS). If they implement it right, the Playbook could be a huge success. There is also the LG Slate Tablet OR you can purchase a Nook Color for ($250) and root it to get Honeycomb (which is what I may end up doing if the Playbook is crappy). The Xoom is doomed to fail before it hits store shelves with that price and being tied to Verizon. Supposedly LTE will be added later (some have speculated for a fee, knowing Verizon this does not surprise me one bit). You CANNOT enter the tablet market with a device that is more expensive (by $300) than the iPad, especially when the iPad 2 is around the corner. We may get specs on the iPad 2 in a couple of weeks and that may also be the path I follow. Really wanted the Xoom, but Motorola really Effed that up.
I find the $800 (or ~$935) to be truly comical. Who would buy these things besides the most die hard, obstinate anti-Apple fan? What a shame for Android - this surely doesn't help it compete with Apple in the tablet market. :/
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Good Luck paying $800 for the Xoom AND $35 to Activate it on Verizon's Network (IF you want WiFi to work you have to Activate it which costs $35 AND get a monthly plan (lowest is 1gb for $20)). Yes, you have I think 3 days to cancel that monthly plan (and still use the WiFi). Bottom line, to use the Xoom you will be paying roughly:
$800 (Price of Device)
$35 (Activation Fee)
$20 (1st Month's Data Service, which can be canceled)
$80 - Tax
Total - $935 out of the door (This is the price of a MacBook Air). I have an Acer laptop that was $500 and it's way more powerful than the Xoom. Really dumb decision
Since CES I was really looking forward to the Xoom. They should have come out with a 16gb WiFi only version for $499. Now you are tied to Verizon (who will Anally Rape you and Nickel/Dime you to death). The Playbook seems like a very good alternative. My wife had a Palm Ore and WebOS is an awesome OS (better than Android and iOS). If they implement it right, the Playbook could be a huge success. There is also the LG Slate Tablet OR you can purchase a Nook Color for ($250) and root it to get Honeycomb (which is what I may end up doing if the Playbook is crappy). The Xoom is doomed to fail before it hits store shelves with that price and being tied to Verizon. Supposedly LTE will be added later (some have speculated for a fee, knowing Verizon this does not surprise me one bit). You CANNOT enter the tablet market with a device that is more expensive (by $300) than the iPad, especially when the iPad 2 is around the corner. We may get specs on the iPad 2 in a couple of weeks and that may also be the path I follow. Really wanted the Xoom, but Motorola really Effed that up.
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That pathetic price point makes me ecstatic I got my archos 70 in December. Of course better is around the corner, but for what I want/need out of a tablet, it's perfect.
Excuse me but I believe that I have accidentally slipped into an alternate reality.
See, where I come from, a company named Apple produces nice quality products but restricts user control over the customization of these products. Apple then charges an absurd premium for these devices and enjoy quite a cult following among millions of users.
Other companies compete with Apple by producing cheaper products and allowing more user control over the device. Some of these companies actually started using an operating system by the name of Android. This OS is opensource and therefor free to download and customize. This contributes to these companies being capable of producing quality products and selling them for far less than comparable Apple products.
Now I'm sure that you understand my dilemma. I would really like to get back to my home dimension where this is still the case.
Would any of you kind citizens please point me in the right direction to get me back to reality?
TheMatrixx said:
I find the $800 (or ~$935) to be truly comical. Who would buy these things besides the most die hard, obstinate anti-Apple fan? What a shame for Android - this surely doesn't help it compete with Apple in the tablet market. :/
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Why is that? The device can be upgraded to 48+GB with SD card, which puts it on part with Apple's iPad for those storage capacities.
Hang on, so you need to pay a monthly fee even for just Wifi? That doesn't make sense. I doubt that's the case.
akarol said:
Why is that? The device can be upgraded to 48+GB with SD card, which puts it on part with Apple's iPad for those storage capacities.
Hang on, so you need to pay a monthly fee even for just Wifi? That doesn't make sense. I doubt that's the case.
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You need service if you wanna buy one.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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Why is that? The device can be upgraded to 48+GB with SD card, which puts it on part with Apple's iPad for those storage capacities.
Hang on, so you need to pay a monthly fee even for just Wifi? That doesn't make sense. I doubt that's the case.
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I guess you have NOT been keeping up with what's going on then. You HAVE to purchase one month's of data service to UNLOCK WiFi (this is a slap in the face, you have to pay to use something that's already on the tablet OR it becomes a $935 paperweight). Enjoy grabbing your ankles with NO Lube.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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... Sprint is supporting the Playbook but not the Xoom? Wow! The Playbook to tablet is what the Echo is to smartphones... utter crap!
Sprint, if it wasn't for the EVO, you guys would not be around. Let's just hope they can redeem themselves this summer. I, for one, wont' hold my breath.
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The playbook is utter crap? You should cancel your plan now.
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I guess you have NOT been keeping up with what's going on then. You HAVE to purchase one month's of data service to UNLOCK WiFi (this is a slap in the face, you have to pay to use something that's already on the tablet OR it becomes a $935 paperweight). Enjoy grabbing your ankles with NO Lube.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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That is pretty ridiculous. Doesn't make sense. I won't consider it until they skip this non-sense. I'm sure they'll get a lot of backlashing for this and will have to sell Wifi-unlocked Xooms soon. Hopefully by my birthday at the end of April.
p0rkguy said:
The playbook is utter crap? You should cancel your plan now.
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Yes, utter crap! Look at the hands on videos. Just like any RIM device, this new, unreleased 'gem' is already obsolete.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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+1 Clearly it did...
They think they can place apple price point/margin(actually even more than apple!) without any track record to proove it... Its ridicules... They clearly want to gouge the first adopters, and a month later i can guarentee they will drop the price by 200$ (especially when ipad 2 is unveiled...)
Its a sad day that im considering and ipad 2 over xoom/other android 3.0 cause of PRICE.
$1,999 is a placeholder price.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/motorola-xoom-up-for-pre-order-at-best-buy-for-1-199/
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Update: We've heard rumblings that this is indeed just a place holder -- much like the way other companies price products they don't want to sell at ridiculous levels -- and the final price will indeed be the $800 we've heard most consistently to this point.
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Also, it isn't as if the Xoom will be the only quality Honeycomb device out there. If it cost too much for your taste, wait until cheaper 3.0 tablets arrive. Looking at the trend so far most Honeycomb tablets have almost the exact same specifications anyways.
Botero said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
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That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
Arun01 said:
The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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I hear ya there, SD card slot is a must in my mind for a tablet.
Love the design of the Tab 10.1 though, the backing looks so ergonomic.
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Didn't motorola state the SD slot on the Xoom wont work until they patch it at a later date? or am i thinking of another CES tab?
Arun01 said:
The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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Oh... I didn't realize that. Lame. It's a shame, because the device has a nice look to it.
Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
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BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
jerrykur said:
BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
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You do realize a tablet like this would be price controlled by Verizon correct? Verizon controls prices of phones, just like ATT, Sprint, and Apple do.
@Xevilious : little margin is still made on laptops
Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Sirchuk said:
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
setite said:
Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
I agree about the mandatory Verizon data but from my understanding you have three days to cancel it and get your money back for that. I myself am going to keep the months worth of data...I've always been with AT&T and am curious about Verizon's service in my area.
setite said:
Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Old MuckenMire said:
well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
And that employee cost that you see, is not always the price that Best Buy pays for an item. Tablets that require internet activation are in an entire different realm of pricing structures (especially since this is a Verizon tablet).
Sirchuk said:
You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Only way money is coming off the xoom is price matching verizon, which is going to be selling it at the same price
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
Old MuckenMire said:
trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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I know Best buy gives its opinion, but at the end of the day, its out of my hand. There are certain things like I said, that are price controlled regardless of how much Best Buy buys the item from. I'm sure Verizon also wants best buy to sell tons of xooms. During this past holiday I saw more people sold on buying tablets than laptops, sure the initial price is high, relative to what you get, but I'm sure it will come down.
And for what its worth, even though people here are complaining about the high price, this device will be extremely popular.
That being said if I see anything more in best buys system I'll try and post/make note of it