Galaxy S Merger - Fascinate General

I know this may sound far-fetched, but I am proposing a possible merger of developers from all the Galaxy S series. I know that the hardware may slightly differ, but apart from a led flash here, ffc, keyboard, and 4g, the hardware is the same. After all, 10+ devs are better than 1 or 2 per section. Perhaps a seperate subforum for devs or senior members only to create and test new roms can be created, members test with their own phones and report, and devs can collaborate.
I understand that some junior members may complain about beta bugs and such, but that is why I proposed a restricted area only to those who fully comprehend that a new rom does include bugs.
I know CM7 is such a project, but perhaps we should extend that scope to something beyond that, and utilize the advantage that Samsung has given us by 10 million sales.

Well, while that is the true XDA dream, the variations of the Galaxy S devices really are quite different. You have 4 main devices that each use different radio hardware and bands that each ROM must be cooked specifically to work with. The ammount of flash memory in each is different.
The idea is a nice one, but the execution would be massively flawed IMHO, as they are such different devices.

I think it's a great idea, but one that won't work until Samsung provides each, or most of the devices with a good base to work from. I have heard of the amount of hacking needing to be done to get even a partially functional AOSP rom working for the Fascinate, and I can't imagine it's all that much better for other devices. While it'd be great, I don't see it working ATM. Although, from what I've heard, the latest updates seem to tie all the devices together much better than the initial releases did, so maybe revisit the idea in a couple months?

Who says devs for the sgs variants don't talk to each other?
I know that myself and others consult devs for other sgs devices quite frequently. There are many mods that span all sgs devices.
IMO a forum merging them all would be pointless. Don't have to converse in public to make progress
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jt1134, stop being so damn elitist.

It's bad enough we have noobs flashing i9000 roms and kernels on their fascinates and then coming into the forums complaining about devs roms not working. This would open up a new can of worms. And not earth worms...I'm talking about mind boring pissed off worms...

adrynalyne said:
jt1134, stop being so damn elitist.
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I had a good teacher
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Will the epic have a great dev community

Will the epic have dev community like the evo or no
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How would anyone know that......
The only way anyone would know that is in time. You will need to watch the community grow.
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Will the epic have dev community like the evo or no
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Not sure if the EPIC 4G will have all on it's own, but I do see there is a lot of support for the Galaxy S series.. CDMA usually get less dev support than GSM devices, but that has been changing lately.
XDA used to cater mostly to HTC devices.. They have since expanded to different manufacturers.. And there is also the SDX Dev community...
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nope never. the devs are all working now for Sprint and are going to charge for their ROMs
Right now, what I can see, it looks like joeykrim and noobnl and a couple of others or so are cracking away at it. Most of the "action" seems to be happening over at sdx atm.
Unless some of the devs from the other galaxy s phones come over here and share the love, I think "we" might be on our own (so to speak). I saw a few placeholders for roms in the dev section. They might be doing stuff behind the scenes too.
Now I don't have too much free time on my hands. One thing I was pondering was if someone gathered the info from the other galaxy s phones and tried to determine what, if any, might be similarities under the hood. Like was rooting different, same or similar between models? The only apparent difference seems to be the epic has flash led and hardware keyboard. I don't know how much those two things could possibly change the structure of things (hardware and software) between all the models. I suspect there will be quite a few similarities after the dust settles.
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Not sure if the EPIC 4G will have all on it's own, but I do see there is a lot of support for the Galaxy S series.. CDMA usually get less dev support than GSM devices, but that has been changing lately.
XDA used to cater mostly to HTC devices.. They have since expanded to different manufacturers.. And there is also the SDX Dev community...
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They problem is that the epic cant use roms from the other sgs phones like the others can because of the camera, keyboard & touchwiz changes. The drivers are not fully released so I am unsure how porting roms to the epic would work out. I think the epic cant really depend on the other sgs phones for development.
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How would anyone know that......
The only way anyone would know that is in time. You will need to watch the community grow.
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I was asking because I was checking the other galaxy s forums and there dev support nowhere close to the evo. But u are right we will wait and see
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doubt it.. phone to fugly in my opinion.. just got back from sprint store... worse version of galaxy s ever ...
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doubt it.. phone to fugly in my opinion.. just got back from sprint store... worse version of galaxy s ever ...
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I agree with you 100%. I get 27% discount from work and that still could not get me to keep the epic for more then 1 day. I cant believe all the apps\features they left out that the others sgs phones have.
SDX is hard at work on it and the devs there, and some of the users/testers (me), are trying to keep both sides (XDA and SDX) informed on anything that happens on either side.
SDX is really a great community; I've been with them since I purchased my Moment. And it's only because of them that my phone was usable.
I expect that all the missing features and more will be added to the Epic before too long especially if both communities work together with no drama.
I know everyone loves custom roms, but what is it that we want to see from the dev community?
As much as I would love to see custom roms flying out of every orifice, I only loaded custom roms on my EVO to get it up to speed (fps hack, better performance, etc). Also to increase battery life... but it didn't seem to help THAT much.
I'm pretty content with my Epic. The everyday stuff I do on this phone already works perfectly. Games, movies, music, web browsing, camera, etc. It's nuts how fast it is, so I won't be needing to overclock. The only thing I want to see from the dev community right now is root+nand unlocked. I must have root access... it's killing me.

Samsung u.s.a hiring xda devs.....

I was just reading up on the villain rom team and low and behold, it would seem nprussell is about to start work full time for samsung http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/content.php?267-VillainROM-Monthly-Update
Down near the bottom he mentions some work he is doing on the sgs and the other family members. Maybe samsung has really seen the power of good xda devs?
Good news, hope SGS and SGS2 owners benefit from this
Samsung really needs a good themer (not me)
And voodoo sound improvements
The problems with this, that devs still have to jump as samsung tells them, and it might not be different at all.
If I were that developer, I would certainly set some conditions to make samsung firmwares genuinely better.
I don't get why this doesn't happen more often; there's a lot of talent lurking around these forums, not to mention a genuine interest in making our phones better. Supercurio(seriously why hasn't he been hired yet?), Darky, Doc and the whole CM7 team would all deserve getting a decent payment for what they do.
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The problems with this, that devs still have to jump as samsung tells them, and it might not be different at all.
If I were that developer, I would certainly set some conditions to make samsung firmwares genuinely better.
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right. samsung may just make them work on the galaxy s3 or something. who's to say they will be working on the sgs at all?
also working for a "boss" or company per say, is not as much fun as working on your own.
you have to follow all kind of boring rules, and you don't really get to do all the stuff that you want to it.
when you work on your own, you have total free control of the development
of course... the big difference is one gets you paid meanwhile doing what you like, and the other you don't get paid at all, and if lucky you might receive some donations
I would have to agree about working for a boss being a drag and all...... but as far as working on the newer versions of SGS, he says he's already worked on a recently published rom.... att update maybe? And is promising custom roms based on future work. Smells of gingerbread to me
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Are the best vibrant development days behind us?

I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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I kind of expected this. I love this phone, but if I really have to, I will trade it. I hope that CM7 is finished for the Vibrant, then everything would be fine.
Sent from Vibrant with CM7.
It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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Perfect way to put it. Couldn't agree more
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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Yup. Development may seem to be slowing but lets not forget that we have an whole other i9000 dev forum to choose ROMs from. Especially while they are mostly 2.2.1 ROMs. That'll prolly change (at least for a while) once all the i9000 devs abandon 2.2.1 for gingerbread.
Not every phone will have the lifespan of the g1, hd2, etc... But one can hope lol.
Even the Nexus One development is slowing down with only small updates to previous roms. Guess even their devs are moving.
Lucky me that I have a hd2.
Was considering getting one of those Hd2 for all the development around it but I can't help but feel like it would be a step down.
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
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I feel like that this is what we are lacking now. Eugene was a master and helped and had a hand in over half the roms on this forum. He was able to solve alot of problems that no one else can/could. I feel like without someone of this caliber spearheading the way, its almost impossible to keep development going strong and not baby steps.
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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not everyone can, :/ i'm stuck at vibrant for years.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Yes to an extent. There are alot of phones that are years old and still have development. I understand that they probably are not samsung and probably have all of the source code. But to me, it seems that this phone has not even reached the pinnacle of what it can do. Alot of roms (bionix exempt) are still trying to just get everything working a 100%. Having a phone really becomes a ton of fun when the development gets past just making it all work. It's really a shame if this will never be possible because of samsungs code.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Being that the vibrant was a high end phone when it was released, it still stands up to alot of the newer phones. To leave this phone behind just because it's getting "old" (less than a year is old for cell phone nowadays = bull****), is stupid.
Maybe devs should spend some time porting the Nexus S APIs so as to provide a good base for future roms.
And in the end, I have to admit that if you want fast updates, go Windows Phone, or IOS if you are really desperate.
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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
Thats a different way of looking at it master, interesting.
While I somewhat agree with this thread, I'd say give the other devs some time, like maybe a month and see what they come up with, we might get a Gingerbread port or a leak from GS4G. Team Whiskey and EDT will surely come up with something I believe.
Also, I don't understand the craze about HD2, it was a great phone in its time, now if you want ROMS and active dev section, probably better to get Nexus S or wait for Optimus 3D I am sure it'll be sold like hot cakes when it comes out.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
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Hell yeah! Let's hear it for us old farts! I've been on the web since Windows 95. A very scary thought. I actually started with a commodore 64 and it's Gigantic floppy disk drive. When I look back at those days, the worst rom on here is blazing fast and bug free!
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Nexus S Development :(

Ok I think this has been asked before but,where the hell are all of the devs!? We have a few really great devs,but I can't help but wonder why don't we have more? Is the nexus s to little to late?
Anyways if this phone had more dev support it would truly Beast of a device
Dual-Core and LTE has just been too enticing for devs...
with the thunderbolt out on Verizon, and the G2X on T-Mobile, we're lucky we have the devs we do... At least we have the heavy hitters: CM and MIUI. We also have Sense in development and improving fast. And lastly we have three GREAT kernel devs... Of course the more devs the merrier, but let's be thankful with who we have.
Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
It's also partially because we're on Gingerbread. For example, for the Vibrant there are a lot of ROMs but they're all the same thing but themed differently. But behind the scenes, they're really the same ROM.
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Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
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I'm also little disappointed but what you said is so true we might not have allot but we have great ROMS i use CM7 myself
and we also just got ROM with hardware codecs and with sprint now we should hopefully get more support
people seems to forget... the device is still very new
it was released on late December 2010, we are still in April 2011
that's only 4 months, yet look at all the great stuff that we got going already.
in contrast the same time for Galaxy S, it took them more than 8 months to get them where they are now, when the SGS was released 4 months and we still did not see any decent ROM coming out.
Woo now, I made no point to say I was unhappy just discouraged. I am extremely happy with the kernels and roms we have as well as our devs. I am simply asking were all the devs are being a vanilla android device and one with great hardware at that it would make sense for more devs to come to the ns rather a locked boot loader phone etc.
Edit: I actually made it a point in my first post about the fact we do have great devs
Don't forget we have Supercurio too!
^ that guy is the man him morific (I guess he's not doing kernels anymore), netarchy <3 , apreichner,ogdobber,mrNameless etc all are amazing (all of the top of my head but yeah there are a few more )
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Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
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Take note, this is very well said.
If OP, you were paying money into a pool for ROM devs, you'd have a valid point, but, as you're not, re-read the quote above.
What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:
Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.
That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.
Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
I'd love to see what the dev's can really do... only time will tell I guess, but getting TV-Out, FM (both receiving and especially transmitting), and maybe even USB host working would be totally nifty.
The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:<br />
[*]Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
[*]Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
[*]Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
[*]Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.<br />
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That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.<br />
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Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?<br />
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
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Honestly, I love the look and feel of this phone. No reception issues and gps problems either. We have a couple of devs working on Touch and Sense. Touch port might open up possibilities for TV out. I think it's a matter of time. The phone is still young like Allgamer said.
Very true and coming from a vibrant I can say there is a ton of roms for it but ultimately a fully working aosp Rom is all they wanted and we already have therefore there's not really the need for that many roms
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The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
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Just my cents: I recently sold my Galaxy S and bought a Nexus S. On the Galaxy S Dev forums there is more activity, but you know why? It's because things are BAD on the SGS and the devs/users try to fix all the things that samsung screwed up. This is my first day on the NS and as an user I'm 100% happy with the stock rom already. I installed CM7 and now I'm like "I must be dreaming". And I*can tell you the devs over there spend a lot of time improving the Samsung roms. I was constantly tinkering around with the SGS, it was such a waste of time.
In short: There isn't much to improve on the Nexus S, it just works. I*feel relieved.
i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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Same, I'm a former N1 user and beginning to miss it alot.
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Ok guys this thread had nothing to do with quality or quantity, but rather activity. I was just curious as to why we don't have more devs+ activity, maybe I over looked the fact that it takes time lol. And also I meant no dissrespect to any dev what so ever, what ever work you have done for this device I truly thank you
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What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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Honestly just more diversity really, I think I should have been more specific in the original post. I believe the more devs the greater possibility for sense/touch wiz and various hacks to happen. I think that I'm just worried we are being left behind for all the dual core phones, I'm not saying we don't have support and devs, but if this phone were released a bit earlier it wouldn't have to compete with phones such as the sensation,atrix,g2x(2x), and especially the galaxy 2

Why will development be more difficult and/or "lag behind" for the American GSIII?

Why will development be more difficult and/or "lag behind" for the American GSIII?
I keep hearing that the American GSIII will be gimped when it comes to development for it, and I genuinely don't understand why. So, the simple question is, why?
I do not know much about how android development works, and my experience with installing ROMs is limited to Apex 1.2.1 on the Verizon Droid X, followed by an attempt at AOKP much later that resulted (likely due to unrelated circumstances) in a totally unusable screen (huge amount of tearing, shaking, scrolling). What I do know is that I plan on playing with many different ROMs for the GSIII. I'm sure I am not the only one on this boat of being unfamiliar with details of development, so I wanted to know why it will be difficult (if at all).
Is there official word that the bootloaders will be locked? Is there something essentially different about them that makes development harder? Is it because maybe the OTA updates are infrequent? Is it that getting properly working updated stock ROMs for the phones is difficult (resulting in devs having to wait longer before getting the base that they need)? Thanks for the insight!
Time will tell, it's all opinion and hearsay right now. My personal opinion, dev will be plenty, nothing to worry about.
I think it will be pretty good, each different variation of the GS and GS2 had devs working on it, since the US will essentially have on version, all those devs if the get a GS3 will be there working on one handset instead of 4 different ones
I personally think it will be fine...gs2...T-Mobile anyway had horrible dev support. The gs2 was an upragde yes but only by an inch...I would bet they sold a ton of them to first timers...most people didn't go from a gs1 to a gs2 because it just wasn't enough. This has a ton of buzz and I bet a ton of people will be pulling the trigger. Furthermore, having the same hardware in every us variant will definitely not hurt.
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different hardware=different drivers=different software=different codes
more people have the international version so it will has more development
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spanyam said:
I keep hearing that the American GSIII will be gimped when it comes to development for it, and I genuinely don't understand why. So, the simple question is, why?
I do not know much about how android development works, and my experience with installing ROMs is limited to Apex 1.2.1 on the Verizon Droid X, followed by an attempt at AOKP much later that resulted (likely due to unrelated circumstances) in a totally unusable screen (huge amount of tearing, shaking, scrolling). What I do know is that I plan on playing with many different ROMs for the GSIII. I'm sure I am not the only one on this boat of being unfamiliar with details of development, so I wanted to know why it will be difficult (if at all).
Is there official word that the bootloaders will be locked? Is there something essentially different about them that makes development harder? Is it because maybe the OTA updates are infrequent? Is it that getting properly working updated stock ROMs for the phones is difficult (resulting in devs having to wait longer before getting the base that they need)? Thanks for the insight!
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Think about it... The US takes up a small amount of the population.
Maybe if the roms are switchable from carrier to carrier, Japan, Korea, Canada and all US carriers then you will have a lot of people with the same phones and therefore development will have a large user base. The problem is in the past, the States, Japan and Korean version have all been quite different, Vibrant, Fascinate, Captivate, Epic, etc. Then Skyrocket, SGS2 with exynos, SGS2 with S3, etc. It was hard to unite these platforms together.
But as of right now, 9 million pre-orders are the international version only. No doubt those 9 million will sell out and that is already a large user base.
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Time will tell, it's all opinion and hearsay right now. My personal opinion, dev will be plenty, nothing to worry about.
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+1 How many of the same roms do you need? There will be plenty of support for this version. Give me our dev support and 2gb of ram, and I'm a happy camper.
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