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Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.

I've had the same thought, but since my GF got it for me for X-mas, I'm gonna keep using it, and give it back to her when I can afford a XOOM
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kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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I got the tab in January and so far other than gaining root haven’t done anything else with it, the mobility factor is a big plus no question about it, but then I got the xoom on launching day and now I really like them both…so if or when you do it you will appreciate the differences.
I think the Devs have nothing to do with your decision.

I really like the form factor, but performance is an issue with my tab. and with the dev community not really huge, i feel left out of so much with all of these honeycomb tegra2 tablets coming out. I just really feel that Samsung really jumped the gun with the tab. releasing it with no hopes of any real update. Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
Maybe SGT 8.9 if released with similar specs as of the xoom. and reasonably priced

The tegra processors and Honycomb make our tab look outdated already but IMO the differences are not that big unless one expects too much from a tablet; is not going to replace our laptops yet…as for sami updating my hopes are nonexistent. I was in Germany recently when a saw the tab of a friend of mine, phone working etc I turned green . My biggest beef is with the carriers here in the US that crippled the device.

tegra 2 isnt a device without their own problem
like not able to play 720p mkv movies unless it converted on a specific format
that would be a problem to some people
and is there really a lot of app that dual core ready anyway?
afaik, for normal process, only 1 core would work unless there's a need for the 2nd core?
jumping too soon on honeycomb with limited apps wouldnt make that much of a difference either
and did you say saving up? how long? ^^
if it took months, who knows we already got honeycomb or ice cream on the way on our tab?
honeycomb, i doubt, but the next generation for smartphone definitely gonna be ported to our tab IMO
my main interest in this tab is phone capability, so unless there's another contender out there, i'm still gonna keep this one

kenfly said:
Then pretty much rubbing it in our face by releasing 2 more tabs that are far more superior. makes me feel like i made a bad investment by falling for their trickery.
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I'm trying to see what trickery Samsung have fooled you with here?
The 7" Tab was sold as an Android 2.2 device, with no promise of a Honeycomb update, and that's what they delivered.
We may, or may not get an official upgrade, which may be Honeycomb, or perhaps Gingerbread, but the Tab is still a very capable and useful device as is IMO. I do believe that we will at least get an unofficial Honeycomb ROM once the source code drops.
None of the upcoming tablets can replace my Tab because they are too big for my purposes, though I may end up getting a bigger tablet purely for home use.
Regards,
Dave

For me its all about size, the 10s are just to big to carry around comfortably. Might as well continue to carry my Dell mini9 laptop. I dont require much from my tab maybe thats why Im happy with the 7.
Remember no matter what you buy it has a good 6 months of obsolescence built in

I think most devs wait for the honeycomb source... no one wants a broken sdk port on an expensive device...
As soon as HC hits aosp I'll contribute developing.

And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.

rangercaptain said:
And the xoom community won't move very fast with development for the first six months either. And with that price, probably not much development after that.
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Agreed. The xoom may be "developer friendly" but it is way too expensive to mess around with.. the galaxy tab gets cheaper and cheaper and will attract more devs too over time.

Why are we comparing the Tab and the Xoom? Two totally different niches. Anyone buying a Tab should know what they are getting, and most that do are getting them for a reason. 7 inches, and a solid product with the full Android Market without having to push it onto the device.
I have three different 7 inch tablets right now (had a 4th, but the Dell Streak 7 is dismal) and the Galaxy Tab is BY FAR the best of the three. The NookColor is fun, and is running dual-boot Honeycomb (port from sdk) and froyo. It's overclocked to 1.1Ghz and is primarily used by my wife as an e-reader (which is what B&N intended), though she likes firing up Angry Birds, etc.
The Archos 70 Internet Tablet is running 2.2.1..and is slim and can handle just about ANY media thrown it's way. Archos is a leader in Media devices, having created the HDD portable Music player before anyone else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos)...including Apple. It's hands down the best for watching movies. However it's flimsy and buggy...Archos sucks at support, truly. Plus, there's not much in the way of accessories for it. I had the 10.1 also...but sold it.
My Tab gets the most use...as I swap my phone's sim into it quite frequently. And it handles pretty much everything I want it to do. Out of the 3, theres no comparison as to my satisfaction.
If I wanted another 10" Tablet...and wanted Honeycomb right now, I STILL would not get the Xoom. I can afford it, but that doesn't mean I want to plunk down $800 on something obviously rushed out of production. Too many things wrong with this early adopter device.
Here's to hoping the incoming 8.9' Galaxy Tab has some of the kinks worked out...cuz I'm gonna pounce on it right away. 10.1" prolly not, the form factor just too large for my usage.

Whatever some people get, they will NEVER be satisfied

hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her

kenfly said:
Seeing where the SGT Dev community is going (nowhere).... I am thinking of selling my 3 week old SGT for cash and saving up for the wifi-Xoom. Anyone in the same boat.... or can rebut my opinion.
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If you bought a tablet based on the dev community then you were wrong to do that in the first place. You buy something for what it is, not what it may be based on some random people messing around with roms.
I can't see how a 10" Xoom could possibly be a replacement for the 7" SGT. One you can carry around with you, use in your car, act as a backup phone, and the other is mostly a stay at home couch device. Personally I think the Xoom is a bit of a let down on things it should be better at - like playing high bitrate movies. SGT blows it away on that score. The SGT build and screen is also very high quality. As good as my iPad 1 (which I've not really touched since the SGT came along. Never mind how I've come to despise the Apple lock-in methodology...).
Honeycomb looks like it will be a great update when the bugs are ironed out, but Froyo (maybe Gingerbread soon) on the SGT currently makes more sense as the device really is closer to a phone than a tablet (and I'm personally happy that it is). Ice Cream Sandwich looks like it will be the natural OS upgrade for this device, as it will combine Honeycomb UI changes with smartphone functionality. Whether Samsung will release it for the SGT in the coming months is anyone's guess, but for now I'm rocking the Tab. For a couch device I'll see what the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is like (hopefully they'll find a fix for the video snafu), but none of the Tegra 2 SoC based tablets are wowing me at the moment.

Bandage said:
hehe...truly, and that's why my wife calls me a gadget whore...just have to have em all. Could be worse in her eyes, at least I'm loyal to her
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I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.

rangercaptain said:
I'm one too. I hide some from my wife too, so that makes me some kind of addict! But she uses the RAZR we got many years ago.
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Lol...not mine, she's become a gadget snob. Though she won't admit it, she's glad to be cutting edge. I see it when her girlfriends drool over the cool gadgets she totes around, lmao. We'll go get coffee, and she will look to see who noticed her pretty NookColor while she's reading and surfing the internets.

So you're selling a device because people aren't modding it? IMHO that's a ridiculous reason to sell this amazing piece of tech.
And im guessing one main reason is Honeycomb because, lets face it, its what everyone wants in a tablet. Then why not buy a Nook? You complain lack of development, the Nook Honeycomb port is better than anything they'll ever do with the Xoom.
Still, just my opinion. I'm keeping my Tab until it dies, then ill get another one.
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and..truly one of these days someone WILL put out an Android device that doesn't need modding! Might be 3 years from now...with 8 core cpu & AirWave connectivity (5+TB wireless connection passed through our existing electrical cables that are strung on the poles...or passed through now vacated VHF / UHF signals...yeah, I can dream BIG!)

But you will only be able to get 3g data or 2g+ voice.

Bad news - no SD slot and Tegra 2 - what now?

If you do not know Samsung Poland confirmed on their wall - no Exynos and no MicroSD slot for GT 10.1
Looks like Samsung went really all the way to make itself look like Apple - I don't think it is a smart move.
First of all, thera are not many differences between 10.1v and 10.1. If you find the old one cheaper take it! You will not loose much. One thing I am not certain is screen type in 10.1v - if you know what it is, for certain please let us know.
So... new GT is thinner, has a bit better screen and worse camera - that is it!
It is also more expensive that all of its Android competition that is offering better functionality (Acer and Asus).
Yes, they are thicker and heavier but the difference is not that big like 50%.
What is more they offer a lot more I/O ports for better connectivity and PRICE.
As it seems none of the tablets of the current generation is THERE yet, to fulfil most of our expectations this means we have to settle for something to get by, something cheap... a lesser evil. Is GT 10.1 it? I do not think so.
It will loose in volume against the iPad 2. This is certain (apple has better marketing and is already on the market). What is more bigger sales means for many people that it "=" it is better.
It will (probably) loose against Asus - price and features says so. GT is only better design wise. Do you really want to pay extra for few grams less and few mm less?
It might even loose against upcoming Amazon tablets.
Now... if we are really to see quad core tablets this year or q1 next and also tablets with Windows 8 on board this means now you want tablet that is THE CHEAPEST and will loose as little as possible.
In my opinion it will be (today) Acer/Asus basic model or iPad2 (as this will always find its buyer).
Samsung shame on you! (at least in theory) You had winning cards on your hands and all you did was - nothing :-(
In my case it is decision time - get something (16GB) cheap or just f..k it and wait.

galtom said:
If you do not know Samsung Poland confirmed on their wall - no Exynos and no MicroSD slot for GT 10.1
Looks like Samsung went really all the way to make itself look like Apple - I don't think it is a smart move.
First of all, thera are not many differences between 10.1v and 10.1. If you find the old one cheaper take it! You will not loose much. One thing I am not certain is screen type in 10.1v - if you know what it is, for certain please let us know.
So... new GT is thinner, has a bit better screen and worse camera - that is it!
It is also more expensive that all of its Android competition that is offering better functionality (Acer and Asus).
Yes, they are thicker and heavier but the difference is not that big like 50%.
What is more they offer a lot more I/O ports for better connectivity and PRICE.
As it seems none of the tablets of the current generation is THERE yet, to fulfil most of our expectations this means we have to settle for something to get by, something cheap... a lesser evil. Is GT 10.1 it? I do not think so.
It will loose in volume against the iPad 2. This is certain (apple has better marketing and is already on the market). What is more bigger sales means for many people that it "=" it is better.
It will (probably) loose against Asus - price and features says so. GT is only better design wise. Do you really want to pay extra for few grams less and few mm less?
It might even loose against upcoming Amazon tablets.
Now... if we are really to see quad core tablets this year or q1 next and also tablets with Windows 8 on board this means now you want tablet that is THE CHEAPEST and will loose as little as possible.
In my opinion it will be (today) Acer/Asus basic model or iPad2 (as this will always find its buyer).
Samsung shame on you! (at least in theory) You had winning cards on your hands and all you did was - nothing :-(
In my case it is decision time - get something (16GB) cheap or just f..k it and wait.
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You really don't make valid points. SD card slot is useless to the average consumer in HC as you have to Root to even use it ! You complaining 'get something cheap' sorry buddy 499.99$ and 599.99$ is cheap iPhone 4s sell for 400 even.
To answer your question YES people will pay for something as thin and light as the iPad but running Android. Common sense

I suspect the Tegra 2 must be a Honeycomb thing. Seems on the Galaxy S 2 get the Exynos, but the tablet doesn't. Maybe Google had to make some shortcuts getting Honeycomb out quickly and only optimized it for Tegra 2? *shrug*
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 gives up a lot of features. I had a Transformer and it was really hard making the decision between features and low cost versus basically comfort.
I broke it down this way to myself. The Transformer is a hybrid device. It can be a okay-ish tablet or and okay-ish Android netbook. I don't think it really excels at either, as comprimises do seem to have been made so it can do both.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 however is no hybrid. It's a pure tablet. It's design to be comfortable and to consume data.
End the end I decided I don't need a hybrid. I got a laptop, so I want my tablet to give me the best tablet experience possible and try not to be more than it can be. So no HDMI out to TVs, no fancy netbook style keyboard dock, sadly even no micro SD.
The lack of micro SD hurts the most. I don't think it's a sacrifice Samsung needed to make. It feels like a business move to help boost sales of the more expensive models. It's a business and I think it's a decision they are able to get away with at this time because the competition isn't strong enough on the Android side. I would have thought including micro SD could have been smart to maybe sway some people thinking about an iPad 2, and this feature could be an extra differentiating feature.
Oh well, we've beaten the micro SD dead horse quite a bit though. But at least with Android it'll be easier to drag and drop files between the internal storage and a computer if I need to shuffle things around for more space.
There is always the option of just waiting. But I really don't see any manufactures coming out with a very light tablet like Samsung. So it could be quite a wait.

jamaicansolja said:
You really don't make valid points. SD card slot is useless to the average consumer in HC as you have to Root to even use it ! You complaining 'get something cheap' sorry buddy 499.99$ and 599.99$ is cheap iPhone 4s sell for 400 even.
To answer your question YES people will pay for something as thin and light as the iPad but running Android. Common sense
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Well, I am assuming that since it is there and more tablets are actually getting to the shops worldwide - it will work.
I never said no one will buy it . One would say that a MAN has to be mad to get an ipad or iPhone when there is so many better things out there... and than you look at cash Apple makes and amount of stuff it sells.
If you think Samsung product will win just because it is (bit) thinner and (bit) lighter- I say you are wrong.
But as I do not love Apple I really wish the best to Sammy - it is just that thinner and lighter is not enough for me to spend my money.

jamaicansolja said:
You really don't make valid points. SD card slot is useless to the average consumer in HC as you have to Root to even use it ! You complaining 'get something cheap' sorry buddy 499.99$ and 599.99$ is cheap iPhone 4s sell for 400 even.
To answer your question YES people will pay for something as thin and light as the iPad but running Android. Common sense
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It sounds like he's comparing the Transformer with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. With the Transformer, you don't have to root to use the micro SD, it's working right out of the box.
So you can buy a $400 16GB Transformer, insert a $20 16GB micro SD card and have a 32GB tablet for $420. To get 32GB of storage with the Galaxy Tab 10.1, that costs $600. So the $180 premium for the GT 10.1 is kinda difficult to embrace.
And this is kinda my complaint with many of the tablets. Why are they charging +$100 to go from 16GB to 32GB. 16GB is not worth $100 and I think this is what makes the lack of micro SD particularly troubling. I would have less of a problem having no external storage if I didn't feel like I was being robbed. Haha.
And kudos to Acer for being a little more civil. 16GB A500 costs $450 and the 32GB is $500. So at least they only charge $50 more for 16GB of additional storage.

galtom said:
If you do not know Samsung Poland confirmed on their wall - no Exynos and no MicroSD slot for GT 10.1
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I think you already knew the answer after so many posts, do you?
galtom said:
Looks like Samsung went really all the way to make itself look like Apple - I don't think it is a smart move.
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Probably, but probably not. At least Samsung is right on the phone side, the Samsung Galaxy S is one of the best selling Android phones, if not simply the best.
galtom said:
First of all, thera are not many differences between 10.1v and 10.1. If you find the old one cheaper take it! You will not loose much. One thing I am not certain is screen type in 10.1v - if you know what it is, for certain please let us know.
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You right, but for some of users, the look and form factor are quite important.
If you think 10.1v is OK, then go for it.
At least, the 10.1v has been REPLACED by the 10.1, by Samsung.
Meaning, it will be (or already) discontinued.
Will you buy that 10.1v? If you do, then good luck!
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So... new GT is thinner, has a bit better screen and worse camera - that is it!
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Yes, it is thinner and some people like that and prefer that. And there is nothing wrong with it.
If you like the chubby and fat one, that's also OK. Some people like fat girl/dude
All in all, why arguing about 10.1v?
Samsung made it obsolete, even Vodafone UK has replaced it with the new 10.1.
There is no point arguing 10.1v, it is history now.
And the camera, yeah, some of use don't really care with camera on a tablet!
It is no use and you look like an idiot for holding it to make a photo.
Also, all of us has our cool 5 or 8 MP Android smartphone with decent camera.
That camera on the front of tablet is for VIDEO CHAT, and you don't need high res for that. Why? To reduce the network bandwidth requirement of course!
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It is also more expensive that all of its Android competition that is offering better functionality (Acer and Asus).
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Sure, ASUS is cheaper. But it is different form factor. Some people might not like it, like me And if you really follow the news or ASUS TF forum you might see the built quality is not that good.
It is your choice, and that's good on Android.
YOU HAVE CHOICES.
Do you want GT 10.1 to not be released just because of there is a cheaper ASUS?
Or do you think GT 10.1 should be priced at the ASUS price level?
Oh yeah, we will LOVE cheaper product.
But, alas, that does not ... Too bad ... too bad.
However, some people will still buy more expensive one. Why? It's a choice!
They might like the thinner form factor ... They might like the PLS display ... They might like the TouchWiz!!!
Are those people stupid? NO!!! It's their choice with their money.
Are those people who choose ASUS TF stupid? NO!!! NO!!! They have their needs.
People have different needs.
And we should be thankful to Android world ... THERE ARE CHOICES.
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Yes, they are thicker and heavier but the difference is not that big like 50%.
What is more they offer a lot more I/O ports for better connectivity and PRICE.
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Yupe, that's true.
Unfortunately, this is NOT DELL, where you can choose what do you want, build on order type of thing.
That does not exist till now on Android world.
I hope someday that will be, where we can choose which processor, how much internal memory, amount of RAM, software, UI, slots, whatnot.
Till then, choose whatever available
galtom said:
As it seems none of the tablets of the current generation is THERE yet, to fulfil most of our expectations this means we have to settle for something to get by, something cheap... a lesser evil. Is GT 10.1 it? I do not think so.
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According who? You?
Yes, you
And you are right ... but, right according you.
There is nothing wrong with your opinion.
So others! The people who choose GT 10.1
galtom said:
It will loose in volume against the iPad 2. This is certain (apple has better marketing and is already on the market). What is more bigger sales means for many people that it "=" it is better.
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For sure it will. Note, the Android tablet world is still new
galtom said:
It will (probably) loose against Asus - price and features says so. GT is only better design wise. Do you really want to pay extra for few grams less and few mm less?
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ASUS? I don't care ... and some users don't care either! See in some forum threads, some people returned their ASUS TF to get this GT 10.1.
They are exists! People who choose GT 10.1 instead of ASUS.
Including me.
Something wrong with ASUS? Probably! Probably not, however you cannot simply say that ASUS is better than GT 10.1 just because it is cheaper Nah, that would be to simple ... for some, $100 different is nothing compare to the satisfaction of the device itself.
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It might even loose against upcoming Amazon tablets.
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So what??? I don't get it.
This is business 101. Something might be better compare to the other.
Do you think there is no user bought those tablet with Froyo?
You wrong! There are people bought that
galtom said:
Now... if we are really to see quad core tablets this year or q1 next and also tablets with Windows 8 on board this means now you want tablet that is THE CHEAPEST and will loose as little as possible.
In my opinion it will be (today) Acer/Asus basic model or iPad2 (as this will always find its buyer).
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Haha Yeah right ... Wait for that Windows 8 or buy Acer/ASUS/iPad2
There is nothing wrong with that. It's your choice.
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Samsung shame on you! (at least in theory) You had winning cards on your hands and all you did was - nothing :-(
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Nothing? You kidding me? Did you read all those reviews? Did you?
Right, that's your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.
Others (a lot of them) disagree, others who said GT 10.1 is the sleekest Android tablet to date
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In my case it is decision time - get something (16GB) cheap or just f..k it and wait.
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Sure, please wait I think that's the best for you and I already said that many times hehehe ...
I know, you just disappointed that you don't get the "PERFECT" device as you wished or dreamed. And now you are just throwing all your disappointment like this. I know
You know (you knew), there is no perfect device, not yet. But some people are not that picky or have different usage pattern. Those people might choose something which is available right now. And enjoy the toy ... enjoy the life and play with it
So, be happy as you still have your passion for Android tablet.
Keep wishing and keep dreaming (as I do as well), that someday ... some manufacturer ... will make that magical device like in our dream.
*gosh ... I cannot believe that I typed this all *

Ravynmagi said:
It sounds like he's comparing the Transformer with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. With the Transformer, you don't have to root to use the micro SD, it's working right out of the box.
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R u sure of that? That at Asus microSD just simply works?!?
Now.... that just makes an ass out of Moto

galtom said:
R u sure of that? That at Asus microSD just simply works?!?
Now.... that just makes an ass out of Moto
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Positive. I've owned two Transformers already. They are nice tablets. It was very tough deciding between the Transformer and Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Besides what I already mentioned, I also don't like the Transformer speakers though. They are weak and off balance.

One another thing. Read the Galaxy Tab 10.1 review at anandtech.com. They tested the camera on the GT 10.1 and compared it with the Transformer.
We get reminded megapixel size isn't everything. Anandtech.com found the picture quality on the 3MP GT 10.1 camera better than the 5MP Transformer camera.

Ravynmagi said:
It sounds like he's comparing the Transformer with the Galaxy Tab 10.1. With the Transformer, you don't have to root to use the micro SD, it's working right out of the box.
So you can buy a $400 16GB Transformer, insert a $20 16GB micro SD card and have a 32GB tablet for $420. To get 32GB of storage with the Galaxy Tab 10.1, that costs $600. So the $180 premium for the GT 10.1 is kinda difficult to embrace.
And this is kinda my complaint with many of the tablets. Why are they charging +$100 to go from 16GB to 32GB. 16GB is not worth $100 and I think this is what makes the lack of micro SD particularly troubling. I would have less of a problem having no external storage if I didn't feel like I was being robbed. Haha.
And kudos to Acer for being a little more civil. 16GB A500 costs $450 and the 32GB is $500. So at least they only charge $50 more for 16GB of additional storage.
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name brand high class 16gb cards are 40$+ not 20.

Well, I played with GT 10.1 for a bit on Samsung Mobile Live Stands. I do like its design a lot (but I am not sure it would be enough to spend a lot more than on Transformer).
So far in Poland it is impossible to even touch any other tablet beside iPad2 :-(
Transformer and Iconia are in pre-order status. And I do want to touch before I buy - this stuff aint actually cheap so I want to make my choice right.
At the moment (as much as I love GT 10.1) Transformer looks smarter (FOR ME !) but once I will be able to actually use it for a bit than I will know.
Then it will all be in price difference as mentioned above. I would not be as worried if I could at least watch Netflix on HC . But with no Netflix, no 720p high profile there is not much to actually watch on tablet in Poland (not my fault)!
Yes it is all my opinions, I think I can have one?
gogol:
10.1v - would I buy old, discontinued product... if price would be good YES. In this case all internals are the same so it is not like support for 10.1v will end because of 10.1. It is the same device ;-)

Yay! I was just thinking to myself, "Two threads on SD cards aren't enough -- I wish someone would create a third thread."

Sorry, it is just that I have felt really disappointed about this. Happens :-(

jamaicansolja said:
name brand high class 16gb cards are 40$+ not 20.
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16GB Sandisk class 4 (which is a lot better than most of the so called more expensive class 10 cards) for $18.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQM-016G-B35-16GB-Microsd-Memory/dp/B001F7AJKI
You can find a lot of good Sandisk 16GB micro SD cards under $20, very easily. And because you aren't running an OS off these cards, but using it mostly for storage, it doesn't have to be lightning fast either, just good quality.
PS. Though, should you want to run an OS off of it, such as for a Nook Color, the San Disk cards are awesome at that too, because they have really great 4K read/write performance.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633

Berner said:
Yay! I was just thinking to myself, "Two threads on SD cards aren't enough -- I wish someone would create a third thread."
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Oh, there are a lot more than just 2 threads.

Ravynmagi said:
16GB Sandisk class 4 (which is a lot better than most of the so called more expensive class 10 cards) for $18.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQM-016G-B35-16GB-Microsd-Memory/dp/B001F7AJKI
You can find a lot of good Sandisk 16GB micro SD cards under $20, very easily. And because you aren't running an OS off these cards, but using it mostly for storage, it doesn't have to be lightning fast either, just good quality.
PS. Though, should you want to run an OS off of it, such as for a Nook Color, the San Disk cards are awesome at that too, because they have really great 4K read/write performance.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005633
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so then why are you linking a class 2 card for 20$. Far different than class 10. You serious about why you would want a fast card ? Put a 1gb movie file on a class 2 the on class 10.

galtom said:
R u sure of that? That at Asus microSD just simply works?!?
Now.... that just makes an ass out of Moto
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I own a TF and I can confirm that too. SD card works out of the box, no issues, no rooting required

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so then why are you linking a class 2 card for 20$. Far different than class 10. You serious about why you would want a fast card ? Put a 1gb movie file on a class 2 the on class 10.
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I have a $35 Patriot Class 10, a $30 Wintech Class 10, and a $20 Sandisk Class 4 (packaging says Class 2, but Sandisk mostly ships just C4 these days).
The Patriot and Wintech give nice looking benchmarks with CDM. But in the real world, I can copy a 1GB file to the SanDisk Class 4 faster than to either Class 10 micro SD cards.
Sandisk makes really awesome micros SD cards. People don't need to spend an arm and leg on some mega fast 20MB/s write speed card just for a tablet. But if you wanted to, that is an option that would still be far cheaper than what Samsung is charging you for their internal storage, which according to the Antutu benchmark isn't even quite class 10 itself (though I haven't had the chance to do an actual file copy to it to see how fast it really is).

Got to say I agree with the OP - had high hopes for this tablet as it combined the style of the ipad2, android and I hoped micro SD, but the lack of the latter has really put me off. The still unknown UK release date doesn't help either - do samsung really have such a lack of respect for their prospective customers? It's a shame as they do a lot right - the galaxy S phones are superb.

My thoughts on the SD slot and the Tab in general
Have to say I don't agree with the OP.
A few thoughts:
-Samsung Poland doesn't mean that Samsung USA or other countries will not have an SD card slot.
-From internal sources I heard that the plan was to release the tab with the micro sd (that's why you see it in many pictures). Something went wrong with either software or hardware (most probably hardware) and since Samsung had the June 8th date already set up they released it without.
They probably thought is better to release a product than to postpone (don't forget they have deals with distributors, Amazon, Best Buy, etc.) and they probably thought that the problem is hardware related, otherwise they could fix it later on with a software release.
If you think about it, it doesn't make sense to show so many pictures with a micro sd slot and then scratch it out completely - if they could have included it they would have done it.
Having said that, the chances that Verizon's version will have an SD slot are small, since even Verizon's website doesn't mention it. But that was indeed the plan. We will know soon.
-Saying that because of the lack of an sd card slot the whole tablet is not competitive anymore doesn't make any sense.
The 10.1V is thicker and heavier. And for a product that is supposed to be used on the go all the time that makes a huge difference.
As a matter of fact, every single tablet on the marker is thicker and heavier. So Sd card or not Samsung put so much into the design that it will have a winner.
The better camera on the 10.1 is not a deciding factor for 99.9% of the people.
Proof is the Ipad's 2 cameras megapixels are very low. On top of that, people don't buy tablets to take photos.
(Check this out http://www.buzzfeed.com/burnred/spike-lee-uses-his-ipad-to-photograph-president-ba-281t ... people still make fun of him...)
-I am also pissed off about the sd card, but at the end of the day an Sd card slot saves $ 20 - 30 to the consumer.
It gets down to that. Most consumers will still buy an sd / usb adapter no matter what.
-All this talk about Exynos but really every single Android Table is running on Tegra 2 - so if you were expecting the 10.1 to run on Exynos without reading / hearing anything about before you should have known it's a long shot
-In a mobile world there are 2, 3 main operating systems, so the form factor IS everything.
Look at the ipad 2, they added a camera and slimmed down the tablet and people rushed to sell their ipad 1 to get the new one.
Look at the Xoom, the software works, the connections are there, but you put it in your bag and you might as well cancel your gym membership because you will be lifting weights.
I saw the Tab 10.1, it's super slim, it's super light, it has a nice screen and it runs Android 3.1.
The deciding factor is the form and nothing else.

Returning Xoom

I'm returning my Xoom, and I'd just like to thank all the devs for their hard work. I'm returning it since I'm not very happy with what Motorola's doing, with (still) no working SDCard. I know Tiamat does that, but my Xoom just ate up an SDCard Also, I'm not as impressed with Tegra 2 as I thought I would be, so that's basically why.
Thanks.

Are you planning on getting a different tablet now?
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Definitely, but not now. I'm probably getting something Tegra 3, which is coming out probably in a few months. Also, I'm sorta mad at Google for not releasing Honeycomb Source, which severely hinders what we can do with development. I know that it isn't the fault of the devs; hell, we still got BRD's rom, but we didn't get as much development as I thought.

Well asus seem to have released 3.1 code so im not sure it's Google's fault ?
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Well asus seem to have released 3.1 code so im not sure it's Google's fault ?
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That's the kernel source, which Asus have to supply as it is GPL code.
It isn't the Honeycomb source.
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I'm returning my Xoom, and I'd just like to thank all the devs for their hard work. I'm returning it since I'm not very happy with what Motorola's doing, with (still) no working SDCard. I know Tiamat does that, but my Xoom just ate up an SDCard Also, I'm not as impressed with Tegra 2 as I thought I would be, so that's basically why.
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Same here. I hated to return my Xoom but now I am trying out the Samsung Tab 10.1.

pianoplayer said:
I'm returning my Xoom, and I'd just like to thank all the devs for their hard work. I'm returning it since I'm not very happy with what Motorola's doing, with (still) no working SDCard. I know Tiamat does that, but my Xoom just ate up an SDCard Also, I'm not as impressed with Tegra 2 as I thought I would be, so that's basically why.
Thanks.
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I also really loved the Motorola Xoom, but with it not officially supporting the microSD card I exchanged it and got the SGT 10. So far I really liking the SGT 10 feel and though it doesn't have some of the features I had on the Xoom or a MicroSD card slot. I will be keeping the SGT 10 as my 10" tablet.

Im also be selling mine. Its not about motorola that im dissapointed. its honeycomb. It just seems like no dev cares about it, not even google update theyre own apps to honeycomb. The market place for honeycomb is broken since day 1. Apps that i was interested in are region locked...(books,earth,maps navigation,video).
I was happy with my android phone even with 2.1 because apps that i like worked fine.Thats why i thought buying an android tablet with the latest firmware will be my next step but i was wrong.
At first i didnt like the ipad (it just looks like a big ipod) but they have apps that works, no region lock on books, music, videos , the game library is interesting... all those things that i forgot why did i choose android.

pianoplayer said:
I'm returning my Xoom, and I'd just like to thank all the devs for their hard work. I'm returning it since I'm not very happy with what Motorola's doing, with (still) no working SDCard. I know Tiamat does that, but my Xoom just ate up an SDCard Also, I'm not as impressed with Tegra 2 as I thought I would be, so that's basically why.
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Thanks for voiding the warranty, shortening the life span and then when custom software didnt work for you, returning the product. Those of us in the retail industry really appreciate it

I have both the XOOM and the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
After using the Galaxy Tab 10.1 my appreciation for the XOOM has increased tremendously. For whatever reason, the XOOM is smoother and more responsive - significantly so. Everything about the XOOM from build quality, to SD slot (at least it has one that can be made to work) seems better to me on the XOOM. And charging times on my GTAB 10.1 are horrific. I spend more time charging it than using it.
Oh, and something a lot of people seem not to have considered: for movie playback you are locked into the 4GB limit again with the GTAB 10.1 which means you are forced to limit the bit rate of your movies to make them fit. You can use as high a bit rate as you want on the XOOM as long as you store your movie on internal storage which has no 4GB limit. This means that many of the movies that you converted for your XOOM may not be usable on the GTAB 10.1 if they exceeded 4GB and you may be forced to re-encode them.
Only major advantage with the GTAB 10.1 is the screen, and to lesser degree the weight - and honeslty, unless you're an absolute movie buff, the XOOM screen is pretty good despite all the criticism.
I think a lot of the complaining is an excuse to aquire a new toy.

No, I won't be getting the Asus or the Samsung, mostly for the same reasons as why I'm returning my Xoom. It's mainly because I'm not happy with Tegra 2 (that Samsung Exynos is pretty awesome IIRC) and that it's worth the wait of maybe 3 months.

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No, I won't be getting the Asus or the Samsung, mostly for the same reasons as why I'm returning my Xoom. It's mainly because I'm not happy with Tegra 2 (that Samsung Exynos is pretty awesome IIRC) and that it's worth the wait of maybe 3 months.
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No argument here. Tegra 2 is so bad it has made me re-think my choice of graphics processor in my PC - makes me start to doubt NVIDIA's quality in other devices. Just hope Kal El isn't another disaster. Really wish there were more choices. I think if Samsung had gone with Exynos and an SD slot, it would have swept the market. Ironically, they may have stuck with Tegra so they could support Tegra games and Netflix DRM. And we still haven't gotten Netflix anyway.

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No argument here. Tegra 2 is so bad it has made me re-think my choice of graphics processor in my PC - makes me start to doubt NVIDIA's quality in other devices. Just hope Kal El isn't another disaster. Really wish there were more choices. I think if Samsung had gone with Exynos and an SD slot, it would have swept the market. Ironically, they may have stuck with Tegra so they could support Tegra games and Netflix DRM. And we still haven't gotten Netflix anyway.
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Well there isn't many other choices atm for those who want a tablet NOW. I'm thinking about selling mine for $400 around Christmas for a newer tablet. My next tablet will atleast have the ability to play any video file I throw at it without conversion.

ElCamino said:
I also really loved the Motorola Xoom, but with it not officially supporting the microSD card I exchanged it and got the SGT 10. So far I really liking the SGT 10 feel and though it doesn't have some of the features I had on the Xoom or a MicroSD card slot. I will be keeping the SGT 10 as my 10" tablet.
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I hope you like your new tablet, but this makes no sense. How does returning a device because it doesn't have support for thesd card help if you replace it with a device that doesn't have an sd card slot?
That's kinda like cutting off your feet because your shoes don't fit.

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No argument here. Tegra 2 is so bad it has made me re-think my choice of graphics processor in my PC - makes me start to doubt NVIDIA's quality in other devices. Just hope Kal El isn't another disaster. Really wish there were more choices. I think if Samsung had gone with Exynos and an SD slot, it would have swept the market. Ironically, they may have stuck with Tegra so they could support Tegra games and Netflix DRM. And we still haven't gotten Netflix anyway.
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What's so bad about tegra 2?
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What's so bad about tegra 2?
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Lack of games
Try throwing 720p anime/movies on any t2 tablet..
I have a xoom and love it but I can't turn a blind eye to the issues that it has.

I love my xoom, and it does what I expected it to do when I bought it. Does Motorola suck at software updates, yes. We all knew this from any other moto phone. That's why Google is good. Also, I have never noticed a shortage of devs on xoom. On games, well I have patience, there are more and more cool games released every day. The screen, well it is not perfect, but capable, same as the tegra chip.
So in short, I see how some may be disappointed, but in all reality, they shouldn't be. (unless they were not very smart and bought a 4g tablet, then you have every right to be disappointed about the lack of an upgrade)
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gotta return mines by July 11th, really gonna miss it and the developers have been the only reason i kept it this long. I'm sure their strong work is the reason many have held on to the Xoom.

Kippui said:
Lack of games
Try throwing 720p anime/movies on any t2 tablet..
I have a xoom and love it but I can't turn a blind eye to the issues that it has.
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Honeycomb is a new os and needs time to gain alot of apps aand games.
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The only valid argument in this thread about returning a xoom is the lack of support for other country with many google service, and this is not google fault it's company who are enforcing drm to the limit.
As for the sd issue, it will get fixed soon, I can understand an early adopter to be pissed off but if he managed to wait until now it's a matter of week now.
out of topic but I have a panasonic blue ray that have netflix installed, but it doesn't work in my country, can you believe this...
The screen on my unit is quite nice, not sure why some people complain.. so far I am happy with the xoom so I keep it, I have a 3 month return windows with costco, I will evaluate my option by then but so far it's a keeper!

Galaxy tab 8.9 or keep my xoom

So my friend just bought the 8.9 and he says its no iPad but its wicked fast and that I should sell the xoom and Grr the tab. He is the one who got my xoom for my bday . And this kid buys every tab that hits the market. What's your thought on it . Should i sell the xoom and get the tab or wait it out for the xoom 2 or well just stick with xoom? What do you have to say. Any one play with the 8.9 yet
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Yes. Do it.
Yeah, I'm Homeless.

Do what you want, but I still think the Xoom is the best tab. There will be more choices in the future if you want a new one, wait a while.

We are so close to the Quad core tablets dropping I would wait. You may want one, or the prices will drop on all older tablets, then you could pick one up cheaper.

It's basically the same as the Xoom but thinner with a smaller screen. No reason to buy one unless you really want the 8.9" screen. I like the 8.9" form factor but I'd rather have the 10.1" screen, personally. Performance should be the same or very similar but you'd be giving up a Micro SD card slot as well. I dunno about you, I'm pretty glad my Xoom has the Micro SD, I'm running 64gb(total) now.

When you say this "kid" do you mean he is an actual kid who uses mommy and daddy's money to buy every new tablet on the market? Because if so then he's a douche and I want to punch him in the face. Just sayin.
And yes, my response was worth the forum ban to me. I just hate spoiled brats.
If he is an adult that works hard for his money then more power to him. And yes, still worth the possible consequences. ;-)
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1st. No not a kid but "kid" referring to someone older but not old like 40s old. He made a lot of Money in stocks while in his early 20s .. enough about him
2nd thanks for all the info on quad core and kool stuff. So I'm going g to sell so I can get some money back and put it in my savings account and wait for something better.
As for the 8.9 I would like something just a tad smaller. Or see if I like it. I'll be heading out to best buy this weekend to try out some tabs. Thanks again guys.
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It's a personal decision, get what makes you happy.

Screens to small, and NO MICRO SD CARD SLOT which to me seems like a joke!
Even the new Sony at 9.4” screen seems far to small (noticeably smaller) compared to 10.1, i just don't see the point in it at all
Your just spending more money for less

I have a xoom and I love it, but when I sent my xoom in for the 4G upgrade, I decided to buy the 8.9 Galaxy. I must say I was pretty blown away witht he size and weight. The screens colors are much more vibrant. No it did not have an micro sd, but honestly I rarely use the one in my xoom since I have 32gb version. The xoom is not like the phones where you can install stuff from the market place on your SD card. I did install some movies on my SD card which did not perform the same as the internal memory. I was tempted to keep 8.9, but could not justify 469/569 bucks. The size alone seemed perfect for me when reading books and watching movies. It seemed like a great portable device which was extremely light. Instead, i may wait to see what the xoom 2 8.2 tablet will offer.
On another note, the Samsung had lots of custom features which imo were actually pretty cool. I was upset witht he fact that it still runs Android 3.1. Samsung never seems to upgrade stuff. I have an EVO 3d and had an EVO which is always getting updated to the latest greatest software. My friend has a Samsung Fascinate and he is still using Froyo.

I love je xoom! Except the weight. I'm running Tiamat and IT works well.

My wife picked up a Galaxy Tab 8.9 and it is a very impressive tablet. If I didn't already own a Xoom, I'd be seriously tempted by it.
It is incredibly thin/light (it makes the iPad 2 look overweight) with a better screen than the Xoom. And I think that the 8.9 size is close to perfect. More portable and not as cumbersome to handle as a 10'' without the feeling of sacrificing screen size like you might have with a 7''.
Bottom line: if you own a Xoom already, it's not worth buying another Tegra 2 based tablet. No matter how nice it is. That said, if Samsung launches a next-gen/quad core tablet in the 8.9 size - go for it.

Go with 10.1 tab or Asus prime?

Really like Samsung.. Have the Galaxy s2 skyrocket.. love it. and was thinking of getting the 10.1 tab , but heard the Asus prime is "the tab"..
Have heard issues with qc with asus and with the quad core being the first just alittle skiddish about it..
Im sure Best Buy will put the Galaxy stuff on sale soon..
I have heard great things of the Galaxy tabs..

What do you want? If you really want a quad-core, wait for new tablets first. If you don't need/want quad-core, get the GTab.

Just get the prime, seriously.

Here's what I would do:
1) post questions in the Q+A forum
2) read the forum and find the other thread ON THE SAME PAGE that asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383993
3) make up my own damn mind.

There are like three other threads discussing this same question.
If you have to have a tablet now, then yes, the Prime is the one to buy (assuming you want Wi-Fi only). But, like you said, Asus is a low to mid-level manufacturer and they had problems with the first Transformer and that was a much less complex device. If you read what's going on over at the Prime forum there's potential issues with Wi-Fi strength/range and some question as to just how many units will actually be made available this year. A ton of pre-orders were canceled and Amazon no longer has it listed for sale.
CES is January 11. There have been leaks about both Acer and Lenovo quad-core tablets. Both are supposed to have more RAM (2GB) and higher res displays (1900x1200) then the Prime. I wouldn't be surprised to see them announced in almost production-ready form at CES. Other than being the first Teg3 and having a dock, there's really nothing remarkable about the Prime. It's larger than the G-Tab, iPad2, and new Toshiba Excite. It has the same 1280x800 screen resolution and 1GB of RAM as all the first gen tablets. It also has mono-speakers (they're on one side) and only supports the 2.4GHz Wi-Fi band. I think all the people racing to buy a Prime that already have an existing tablet are going to be disappointed when better featured next-gen tablets start to be released.
If you can wait until February-ish I think either the Lenovo or Acer are probably going to be better choices if for no other reason than having higher-res displays. They'll also ship with ICS pre-installed. But for now, solely because of the Teg3 processor (and keyboard dock if you care), the Prime's the best available choice. You're other choice could be to watch for refurb deals on the G-Tab. They've been as low as $329 shipped for the holidays. You could use it for a few months to see what your options are and then sell it on eBay/CL for close to what you paid for it.

Get the gtab. There is nothing revolutionary about the prime. If you got a little patience, you'll wait two three months and get some of the real next generation tablets.
The galaxy tablet handles everything except 1080p, if you do have a huge collection of that, get something else.
You get one awesome screen, very nice stereo speakers and solid build quality.

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Here's what I would do:
1) post questions in the Q+A forum
2) read the forum and find the other thread ON THE SAME PAGE that asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383993
3) make up my own damn mind.
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Nice.. thank you for your informative post

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Nice.. thank you for your informative post
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If you're still in the remorse period for your Skyrocket you have another option. AT&T's got a deal going where you buy a G-Tab 8.9 and get a Skyrocket free. So if you paid either $149 or $249 for the Skyrocket you'd end up spending either $330 or $230 for the Tab. It's also got a Qualcomm chip which is faster/better then the Teg2 in the Wi-Fi version. You don't have to keep the data plan on the Tab either. If you want to sell it down the road it should also hold its value better than a Wi-Fi Tab.

I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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If you're still in the remorse period for your Skyrocket you have another option. AT&T's got a deal going where you buy a G-Tab 8.9 and get a Skyrocket free. So if you paid either $149 or $249 for the Skyrocket you'd end up spending either $330 or $230 for the Tab. It's also got a Qualcomm chip which is faster/better then the Teg2 in the Wi-Fi version. You don't have to keep the data plan on the Tab either. If you want to sell it down the road it should also hold its value better than a Wi-Fi Tab.
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I saw that deal.. I have had my SR for about 6 weeks now..

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I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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That is what I am thinking.. I will just use my tablet for fun really.. root it, custom roms.. customize it.. not for work or anything..
I mean , does anybody need 4 cores?

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I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........ Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.

I cant tell if you guys are being sarcastic, but serious advice, i got my tab about 6 weeks ago and Im having tablet envy because the prime has more storage for the same money and its faster. I've had to do a lot of customization to mine for it to feel fast.
And if you plan on listening to music or watch any kind of movies on your tab then you will want to have 32gb minimum with MORE storage if you like to watch in 720p.
Having a usb flash sticking out the bottom of my tab doesnt feel right and im always paranoid im going to snap it

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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........
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They aren't the only one that has tablets with ports. The quality of the TF1 was questionable and the Prime either has or had Wi-Fi issues and it's not even released yet.
Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
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I have a SGS2 and it's been updated like a dozen times. I don't know why they're so slow with tablets. They regionalize their products and offer 3G versions which Asus doesn't so that could explain some of the delay. As Google's platform partner for ICS, the Tab should get ICS faster and better then other brands. Samsung UK announced the SGS2 will get ICS next month. Let's hope the Tab's right behind it. It makes sense for Samsung to get ICS on the Tab quickly to extend its selling life in the face of competition that's supposed to be announced next month at ICS. The Toshiba Excite, a direct competitor to the G-Tab, will ship with ICS when it launches in February so hopefully Samsung will respond before then.

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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........ Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
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I agree with the updates comment but Samsung has gotten a little better in that area...
I don't need usb or hdmi slots... Some do, some don't but I'm in the don't department..
Not a good sign when a manufacturer with a questionable quality history has to delay its product before its even released because of quality issues....
My $.02

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Not a good sign when a manufacturer with a questionable quality history has to delay its product before its even released because of quality issues....
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And not even agree internally on whether or not the problem exists. Asus Canada notified resellers that shipments were delayed indefinitely while a fix for poor Wi-Fi range was implemented. Asus U.S. said the launch is occuring as announced on 12/19. The Prime forum should be entertaining once people have them in their hands.

You can't accuse Asus of a delay when, in fact, they are expected to meet their US ship dates (and we'll find out in two days, won't we?). Out of *all* of the reviewers and websites who reviewed pre-pro and production models of the Transformer Prime, precisely ONE reported any sort of Wi-fi issue at all (anandtech). Hard to believe that, if there was a widespread issue, only one reviewer ever encountered it.

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You can't accuse Asus of a delay when, in fact, they are expected to meet their US ship dates (and we'll find out in two days, won't we?). Out of *all* of the reviewers and websites who reviewed pre-pro and production models of the Transformer Prime, precisely ONE reported any sort of Wi-fi issue at all (anandtech). Hard to believe that, if there was a widespread issue, only one reviewer ever encountered it.
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Then you should run out and be one of the first to get one. Asus had a poor track record for h/w on the TF1 and the Prime's a more complicated device. It may be the second coming of Christ but like many here I'll wait to see what Acer, Lenovo, and Samsung announce at CES on January 11. The Prime's the first quad-core, it won't be the only quad-core and with a G-Tab I love I'm in no rush and don't feel like being part of Asus' QC process.

Actually, yes, I ordered one weeks ago from Best Buy, so hopefully I will be the first one to get one. Having played with a Samsung, I'm certainly not interested in anything they'll be crowing about in January.

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Having played with a Samsung, I'm certainly not interested in anything they'll be crowing about in January.
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I know I should not feed a troll.... BUT....