Hi, this is my sad history, a friend of mine give me a bricked tmous, he didn't told me how he bricked it. The TMOUS didn't start it was dead, no led when charging, all dead.
So, I put the tmous in a plastic bag and put it in the refrigerator for about 20 minutes and it was working again, I try to install custom roms, HLSP, MAGLDR, android although the installation was successful the phone got stuck in the stick together or the htc initial screen. I noticed that after some time the tmous stopped working, so I put it in the refrigerator for 15 minutes and it was working again. However, when I tried to flash a stock rom from the SD card I got the radio fail error so, I suppose that the brick was caused by a bad radio flash, so I tried another rom specifically RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_2.10.531.0_Radio_Signed_15.34.50.07U_2.08.50.08_2_Ship . When I did that I had no radio fail. And installed HLSP, MAGLDR, android and it worked!!! But…. After some use the phone freezes. The phone only work when I put it in the refrigerator for some time, the funny thing is that when I check the radio version in android the version is ok X.XX.50.XX, I have reception and the wifi works right. Other funny thing I found is that Android starts a little bit faster; I know that because I have another TMous with the same android version. I don’t know why the tmous overhead and crash maybe the bad flash overclocked the processor, but is only a guess.
I hope this history can help somebody or give a clue about how to unbrick these devices.
PS. I run Task29 several times in the phone it didn’t affect at all.
what's the logic for leaving it in the fridge for 20min? Wouldn't you get moisture build up inside the hardware??
I wouldn't want any kind of liquid to come near sensitive components in there.
lude219 said:
what's the logic for leaving it in the fridge for 20min? Wouldn't you get moisture build up inside the hardware??
I wouldn't want any kind of liquid to come near sensitive components in there.
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That's why I used a plastic bag.
Does it get hot?
Maybe its overheating(some android roms come with an overclocked kernel) or your cpu is damaged.
Try no frills cpu control to underclock it!
You could just stick your head in the refrigerator when you need to make a call. J/K
mattfmartin said:
You could just stick your head in the refrigerator when you need to make a call. J/K
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LOL maybe I'll try
sounds like a bad battery.
When the battery gets some moisture it can act funny afterward and overheat or cause stability issues.
Try ordering/using a different battery and see how it does.
I think it's overheating of cpu. I don't know exactly, but i suppose it should be some kind of cooler which for some reasons do not fully cover the cpu...
orangekid said:
sounds like a bad battery.
When the battery gets some moisture it can act funny afterward and overheat or cause stability issues.
Try ordering/using a different battery and see how it does.
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I don't think the battery is causing the problem. I tried with another battery and the result was the same.
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I think it's overheating of cpu. I don't know exactly, but i suppose it should be some kind of cooler which for some reasons do not fully cover the cpu...
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Yeah I thought that too. Is possible that a bad flash damaged the processor??? If that is the case, is there a way to fix it?? I don’t know, adding something to avoid the processor overheat or something.
Well let me start by stating the obvious question that I have to ask lol whats with sticking it in the fridge? I never heard anyone do that lol now all the joke aside. Your assumption of overheating due to failed proc could be correct. Why don't you ask your friend what he did and the max scale frequency he used to OC it and for how long?
I mean if you OC you are in danger of frying the SoC due to heat as you might know from middle school when things are hot they expend and when its cool they contract. So this consent extend/contract cycle has impact and can fry or crack the circuit in long run thus limiting the life expectancy. As depending on the OC scale frequency and duration the ProcIE will slowly break down the chip cause vibration on int as byproduct is heat. As you may know that not all chips are created equal as it depends on the defect rate of the wafer.
Best you can do is sell it on craigslist or ebay "AS IS". ATM replacing the SoC and the whole hassle would be more than the actual street price of the device which you can get mint condition.
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Well let me start by stating the obvious question that I have to ask lol whats with sticking it in the fridge? I never heard anyone do that lol now all the joke aside. Your assumption of overheating due to failed proc could be correct. Why don't you ask your friend what he did and the max scale frequency he used to OC it and for how long?
I mean if you OC you are in danger of frying the SoC due to heat as you might know from middle school when things are hot they expend and when its cool they contract. So this consent extend/contract cycle has impact and can fry or crack the circuit in long run thus limiting the life expectancy. As depending on the OC scale frequency and duration the ProcIE will slowly break down the chip cause vibration on int as byproduct is heat. As you may know that not all chips are created equal as it depends on the defect rate of the wafer.
Best you can do is sell it on craigslist or ebay "AS IS". ATM replacing the SoC and the whole hassle would be more than the actual street price of the device which you can get mint condition.
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The idea for the freezer came from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10574177&postcount=179, I don’t know if my friend overclocked the phone, he told me that he tried to change de the rom, at first I supposed that he flashed a bad radio because the Radio Fail error. The purpose of my post is to give hope to other users, I read several post about tmous that didn’t start and where dead, like this one and everyone told them that there was no hope, but I was able to revive it just putting it in the fridge, I know it sound stupid but I thought that if somebody with knowledge in electronics could tell us put this here and it can help with the overhead, I know that nowadays all comes small and packed and when it broke, you have to replace the whole unit, but it was only to help other people who has the same problem, I know that a broken processor means a dead unit, but I was only looking for a shoot of luck, nothing more.
while your phone is working, use setcpu to underclock the phone and see if it's still freeze and crash..
peavy00 said:
The idea for the freezer came from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10574177&postcount=179, I don’t know if my friend overclocked the phone, he told me that he tried to change de the rom, at first I supposed that he flashed a bad radio because the Radio Fail error. The purpose of my post is to give hope to other users, I read several post about tmous that didn’t start and where dead, like this one and everyone told them that there was no hope, but I was able to revive it just putting it in the fridge, I know it sound stupid but I thought that if somebody with knowledge in electronics could tell us put this here and it can help with the overhead, I know that nowadays all comes small and packed and when it broke, you have to replace the whole unit, but it was only to help other people who has the same problem, I know that a broken processor means a dead unit, but I was only looking for a shoot of luck, nothing more.
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Far as the device goes if it has physical defect there is nothing you can do other than replace it. I mean if it was completely bricked this you wouldn't even be able to access it only way to do it is dump it via jTAG. As it powers on and you are able to access it I am guessing it could be hardware problem which could have started from OC or simply inferior device got though HTC-HQ. As I said if its SoC then replacing it will be more than its worth and not worth salvaging as you can get another one.
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while your phone is working, use setcpu to underclock the phone and see if it's still freeze and crash..
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Did you read what he said? If he could do that why do you think he would make this thread?
well is was so funny, lol
Well it doesn't work for me, I bricked my phone by flashing to .51 i think, ... long long ago, then one day before yesterday I saw this thread about bricked hd2, and 20min in the refrigerator things,... lolzzz
day after I did the same, but you know whats a fun part????? hahahah I actually completely froze my HD2 in the refrigerator for 3 hours, hahhaha so funny,...
from 1am to 3am, i was like SH** my phone, ahhahahah damn it,.... ahahhaha
chhada said:
Well it doesn't work for me, I bricked my phone by flashing to .51 i think, ... long long ago, then one day before yesterday I saw this thread about bricked hd2, and 20min in the refrigerator things,... lolzzz
day after I did the same, but you know whats a fun part????? hahahah I actually completely froze my HD2 in the refrigerator for 3 hours, hahhaha so funny,...
from 1am to 3am, i was like SH** my phone, ahhahahah damn it,.... ahahhaha
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Sorry it didn't work man. Thanks for the feedback.
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Sorry it didn't work man. Thanks for the feedback.
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it was fun, thank man,.
This guy here had sucess with solding the cpu back on and making the heatspreat better...maybe you got that kind of luck too
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I am running CM7 nightlies on my G2, a few days out dated because I have been insanely busy lately... But today in class my phone heated up insanely bad. Sizzled my finger on the metal back plate. I immediately ripped the battery out and let it cool. I think the battery bloated a little bit.
When I put it back in after cooling, all seems normal. The battery started out at 85% and drained to 44% during this. All I can think is that I charged it on the way home to top it off from about 50 to 85% battery, and then topped off a little more, bout ten minutes while at home. Got back to class and then it happened a few minutes later.
Also, I used SetCPU....BUT not overclocking, I had it stock speed, on demand governor, and screen off profile to 245mhz.
What could cause this? I called tmobile and they wanna swap out the phone itself because the battery is not currently bloated so it must be device related.
I am scared to let them swap it out, because I don't wanna revert my phone back to stock, and then have to root the new one. Are ALL G2's rootable? I don't want to risk getting a new one that can't be cracked
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I am running CM7 nightlies on my G2, a few days out dated because I have been insanely busy lately... But today in class my phone heated up insanely bad. Sizzled my finger on the metal back plate. I immediately ripped the battery out and let it cool. I think the battery bloated a little bit.
When I put it back in after cooling, all seems normal. The battery started out at 85% and drained to 44% during this. All I can think is that I charged it on the way home to top it off from about 50 to 85% battery, and then topped off a little more, bout ten minutes while at home. Got back to class and then it happened a few minutes later.
Also, I used SetCPU....BUT not overclocking, I had it stock speed, on demand governor, and screen off profile to 245mhz.
What could cause this? I called tmobile and they wanna swap out the phone itself because the battery is not currently bloated so it must be device related.
I am scared to let them swap it out, because I don't wanna revert my phone back to stock, and then have to root the new one. Are ALL G2's rootable? I don't want to risk getting a new one that can't be cracked
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That's really odd...maybe the phone had a defect or something but yes all G2s can be rooted/s-off since we haven't had any new updates from t-mobile to prevent us from rooting the phone
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That makes me feel better, if I have to replace.
They were going to call me in 20 minutes after I started charging it during the initial call, but they called my wife's Vibrant which never rang, I just got a voice mail notification They left message, and I have no way of calling that particular rep back in technical without going through the entire process over again But, it's still charging, went from about 35%-80% and it's not hot at all. I'm just very confused how this is an isolated thing.
I'm about to be gone from home for 5 weeks, and need my phone, Worst timing ever for this
theratdude64 said:
That makes me feel better, if I have to replace.
They were going to call me in 20 minutes after I started charging it during the initial call, but they called my wife's Vibrant which never rang, I just got a voice mail notification They left message, and I have no way of calling that particular rep back in technical without going through the entire process over again But, it's still charging, went from about 35%-80% and it's not hot at all. I'm just very confused how this is an isolated thing.
I'm about to be gone from home for 5 weeks, and need my phone, Worst timing ever for this
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Ah I see... anyways just tell the new rep, tell that you already called another rep and was about to give you a replacement but something happen or something... it will make the process faster. when will you leave? T-mobile can send you the replacement phone if you pay 20$ it will get to your house in 1-3 days rather than the normal 3-7 days
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I'm just wary to change the entire phone out and keep the part that scares me into the new one. If I have a problem, I'll call them. It seems to have been just that once. I'll be leaving in about a week probably, and phone is vital. so I hope I get this figured out.
Do NAND backups swap to new phones? Like just NAND this one how it is, and stick it onto my replacement? Or does it backup things specific to that exact phone?
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I'm just wary to change the entire phone out and keep the part that scares me into the new one. If I have a problem, I'll call them. It seems to have been just that once. I'll be leaving in about a week probably, and phone is vital. so I hope I get this figured out.
Do NAND backups swap to new phones? Like just NAND this one how it is, and stick it onto my replacement? Or does it backup things specific to that exact phone?
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Once you get your new replacement you have to reroot/S-off your phone again and flash clockwork. If you have any backups in your sd card just flash your backup and you will have the same stuff you had on your old phone.
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I know, I just mean are Nand's specific lol.
Full charged, no issues... so I'll just keep a really good eye on it. I'm just wondering WTF made it do that. I'm kinda wary to run setCPU now
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I know, I just mean are Nand's specific lol.
Full charged, no issues... so I'll just keep a really good eye on it. I'm just wondering WTF made it do that. I'm kinda wary to run setCPU now
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Lol ohh... well nand for g2 yes.
Lol maybe by chance you overclocked?
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I used to OC to 1.5ghz all the time but not in a long time I need it to get the best battery life possible these days
theratdude64 said:
I used to OC to 1.5ghz all the time but not in a long time I need it to get the best battery life possible these days
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Aha I see. Well what I do is I put it 1.5 ghz but on ondemand. Never gets hot at all but when I put it on profomance it heats up quickly. Lol have u tried MUIU? Its pretty good.
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Either the battery itself is fried, or some SOFTWARE you're running is responsible. Swapping out the phone itself is pointless. Try a WIPE and see if the problem doesn't come back. If it does, replace the BATTERY.
I didn't read if yo ugot it fixed, but check your battery status... liek what's been using that. I had that one time and like my email app for example used a **** load... I reflashed it and started it from new and it's fixed now.
exactly what is the point of overclocking on the G2?
I can tell why youd use SetCPU on the G1 but what is the point of doing it on the G2?
I really have failed to understand the purpose.
androidcues said:
exactly what is the point of overclocking on the G2?
I can tell why youd use SetCPU on the G1 but what is the point of doing it on the G2?
I really have failed to understand the purpose.
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What's the point in having leather seats, cloth works fine. Why thongs, granny panties get the job done.
Why overclock? Because we can
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TJBunch1228 said:
What's the point in having leather seats, cloth works fine. Why thongs, granny panties get the job done.
Why overclock? Because we can
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Yes, except that sometimes these hacks can cause problems, so before concluding that the hardware is defective, it is important to return the software to a more natural state and see if the problem goes away. If the problem is present with the hacks and not when without, then it is reasonable to conclude that there is a correlation between the problem and the hack.
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Yes, except that sometimes these hacks can cause problems, so before concluding that the hardware is defective, it is important to return the software to a more natural state and see if the problem goes away. If the problem is present with the hacks and not when without, then it is reasonable to conclude that there is a correlation between the problem and the hack.
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+1 I do agree with that
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Oh ok...nuf sed! I am in agreement...
But if I see granny pants on any of my dates then...date is over!
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Yes, except that sometimes these hacks can cause problems, so before concluding that the hardware is defective, it is important to return the software to a more natural state and see if the problem goes away. If the problem is present with the hacks and not when without, then it is reasonable to conclude that there is a correlation between the problem and the hack.
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For the record, tmobile concluded that it's hardware, not me *can't exactly say I have it fully rooted/modded* and the only reason I called them was that my wife used to work for verizon and it was a known issue that a certain battery style/make/whatever was known to have this exact issue. So she told me to call and ask if it was some known problem that I could tell them my serial to identify if my battery falls under those conditions. They said since it wasn't still bloated by the time I called them, it must be the phone. I talked them out of sending me a replacement... that I'll see if it comes back and immediately call them lol.
I haven't had the issue come back, I think I'm on Nightly 3, and I'm about to flash the latest but I want the battery more charged before I do so. I got like 3x the battery life today than I did the other day.
For whoever asked, I haven't tried MIUI, looks pretty interesting but I'm quite a die hard Cyanogen guy lol. I wish it came to the vibrant
THE GET RICH QUICK SCHEME:
1. Keep phone.
2. Keep using phone the way it is.
3. Induce it to blow up.
4. Sue HTC
5. ? ? ?
6. Profit
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED THE QUESTION MARKS LOL... remember the "droid x that blew up while I was talking on it and it cut my face/I smashed my droid x I want a refund trolol" guy?
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Hello. I got an htd off of ebay for parts or not working. It clearly stated that it vibrates and reboots. I was thinking that it was a software issue, and even after i updated the bootloader, still no go. it has bootloader 2.10 something, i cant check because im going to give this one last shot and wait till the battery is finished charging. i also noticed that it has an LG charger, which is ok, but after i read that it generates a lot of heat, well... the charger is rated at 5.7v could this have caused the cpu to overheat and its just a new brick? i dont have the time or patience to do any more. Not under warranty, i am a valued t-mobile customer since ive been with then for over 5 years. would it be would be worth fixing since its in near new condition or just move on?
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Hello. I got an htd off of ebay for parts or not working. It clearly stated that it reboots. I was thinking that it was a software issue, and even after i updated the bootloader, still no go. it has bootloader 2.10 something, i cant check because im going to give this one last shot and wait till the battery is finished charging. i also noticed that it has an LG charger, which is ok, but after i read that it generates a lot of heat, well... the charger is rated at 5.7v could this have caused the cpu to overheat and its just a new brick? i dont have the time or patience to do any more. Not under warranty, i am a valued t-mobile customer since ive been with then for over 5 years. would it be would be worth fixing, or just move on?
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Considering the fix is replacing motherboard( for US$60-80), you should figure out if it worth...
What causes the motherboards and cpus to become defective?
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What causes the motherboards and cpus to become defective?
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As far as I found out over the time, these are the main factors:
- very good performance of CPU(high frequency, speed, computing power, in a few words HEAT);
- rather narrow space inside the device, because of design;
- (IMO) lack of a more performant solution of ventilation;
- composition of the alloy used to "solder" CPU on motherboard;
- habits of the owner to perform (probably) intense tasks for a (relatively) long period of time (games, movies, web browsing, etc) during device is on charging.
In a few words I may say HD2 is his own performances&design victim!
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What causes the motherboards and cpus to become defective?
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Evidently the location of the "END" key is also somewhat close to components on the motherboard (I've not disassembled one to see if this is true). I have read reports that this may form a critical path that causes overheating.
Mine is usually fine, but when using GPS, BT, Mobile, and the OS, I have had it get pretty hot. But with WinMo it did not have any lockup problems. With Android I have found that it is more likely the OS that hesitates if one runs too many applications at the same time.
stevedebi said:
Evidently the location of the "END" key is also somewhat close to components on the motherboard (I've not disassembled one to see if this is true). I have read reports that this may form a critical path that causes overheating.
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Totally not true, no offence! It's like you'd say your dashboard lighter causes overheating to your car's engine!
There is no relation between END key and overheating, if you'd see an disassembled hd2 you'd figure out this!
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Totally not true, no offence! It's like you'd say your dashboard lighter causes overheating to your car's engine!
There is no relation between END key and overheating, if you'd see an disassembled hd2 you'd figure out this!
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Well, as I said I've not disassembled one. But it is not like the car example. If the end key is anywhere near components, pushing it frequently or hard could indeed cause interference, which could cause the over heating.
I'm going from memory a couple of years ago when the overheating issue came up. I myself seldom use the end key.
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Well, as I said I've not disassembled one. ............. If the end key is anywhere near components, pushing it frequently or hard could indeed cause interference, which could cause the over heating.
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Well, I thought is well-known that using END-key, frequently or hard, mechanically interferes with touchscreen flex-ribbon causing touchscreen/digitizer failure over the time, but nothing related to CPU overheating.
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Well, I thought is well-known that using END-key, frequently or hard, mechanically interferes with touchscreen flex-ribbon causing touchscreen/digitizer failure over the time, but nothing related to CPU overheating.
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Ah, maybe that was it - the digitizer.
Every HD2 I've owned has had heat issues, but I've only had to exchange one of them because it got so bad that the phone froze.
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Ah, maybe that was it - the digitizer.
Every HD2 I've owned has had heat issues, but I've only had to exchange one of them because it got so bad that the phone froze.
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I think it's normal for a stressed(heavy/multiple tasks used) hd2 to heat up, but a good one should face it successfully. Well, treating it this way for long periods of time(especially under charging), may result over the time in a CPU overheating failure.
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I think it's normal for a stressed(heavy/multiple tasks used) hd2 to heat up, but a good one should face it successfully. Well, treating it this way for long periods of time(especially under charging), may result over the time in a CPU overheating failure.
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I tend to agree with that, so long as the device doesn't lock up on me. When that happens, I replace the device.
Ok, so im not new to android modding, hacking, rooting ,etc. Ive rooted many samsung, motorola and nexus devices. But my question is, is it safe to let the nexus 4 bateey hit 0%? Ive read that nexus 4 is hard to bring back once it hits zero.
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Ok, so im not new to android modding, hacking, rooting ,etc. Ive rooted many samsung, motorola and nexus devices. But my question is, is it safe to let the nexus 4 bateey hit 0%? Ive read that nexus 4 is hard to bring back once it hits zero.
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It'll turn itself off before it reaches dangerously low battery levels, so just avoid trying to turn it back on until you've plugged it in to a charger.
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Ok, so im not new to android modding, hacking, rooting ,etc. Ive rooted many samsung, motorola and nexus devices. But my question is, is it safe to let the nexus 4 bateey hit 0%? Ive read that nexus 4 is hard to bring back once it hits zero.
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No phone battery, android or any other should hit 0%. The battery will calibrate itself anyway after a few charges. So just plug it in at 10-15%.
Ive heard that when the phone gets really low, even charging overnight doesnt do anything?
How about you just don't let it hit zero? Do you really want to find out the hard way what might happen? You may live if you jump off a bridge, but would you try it? Come on... a little common sense goes a long way.
If it dies, send it back. Not rocket science is it.
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Ive heard that when the phone gets really low, even charging overnight doesnt do anything?
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Well, if you manage to completely discharge a Li-ion battery you physically damage the battery, however phones (and laptops, and anything else with a Li-ion battery) are set to turn themselves off before the battery is completely discharged. That means the phone may report 0% battery remaining and turn off, but actually there are still a few %% left in reserve to prevent damage to the battery.
When it reaches 0% just turns down itself, plug in to a charger and in 5min you can boot him up without worries. I forgot it one night @ 6% and when i woke up it was switched off.
Its a battery, and even @ 0% doesnt mean the battery reaches 0mv...
sorry but...OMG
Nothing will happen, the phone is set to shut down at 0% but it's a false reading, in reality the battery still has a few mah in reserve... this is so you don't get sudden loss of power which may result in data loss.
Pandalero said:
How about you just don't let it hit zero? Do you really want to find out the hard way what might happen? You may live if you jump off a bridge, but would you try it? Come on... a little common sense goes a long way.
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Or you could know the simple truth: the phone will turn itself off before the battery discharges too much and thus it's perfectly safe to let it run down. Seriously you think there wouldn't be a massive antenna-gate style scandal if you could ruin your phone just by letting it run down naturally? How many people do you think every single day run out of power on their smartphones?
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If it dies, send it back. Not rocket science is it.
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Well, I think before RMA'ing it he should do some research and try to fix it, in such an occasion. Going straight for the RMA is a bit hasty, and makes Google not want to continue making such great devices for so cheap. I'm sure you didn't mean go straight for RMA, but I wanted to point that out for anyone else reading this.
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As many have pointed out, the battery has it's own circuits to make sure it doesn't reach 0, and to make sure it doesn't over-charge. That's on the battery itself, it has nothing to do with the Nexus 4, the OS, or anything else. You'll be fine. I would still advise in plugging it in at around 10% battery if you can, though.
Thanks for the feedback and help
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Well, I think before RMA'ing it he should do some research and try to fix it, in such an occasion. Going straight for the RMA is a bit hasty, and makes Google not want to continue making such great devices for so cheap. I'm sure you didn't mean go straight for RMA, but I wanted to point that out for anyone else reading this.
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As many have pointed out, the battery has it's own circuits to make sure it doesn't reach 0, and to make sure it doesn't over-charge. That's on the battery itself, it has nothing to do with the Nexus 4, the OS, or anything else. You'll be fine. I would still advise in plugging it in at around 10% battery if you can, though.
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My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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I agree with you that you shouldn't feel bad when RMA'ing legitimately. I was merely pointing out that when you have a problem, you should do some research to figure out whether it's a common problem with a common and easy fix before you jump right to RMA. Your post was heavily implying that RMA is the first stop fix-all. You probably didn't mean it to imply that, but to some other person coming here and reading it, they would feel nudged into RMA'ing right off. We are saying the same thing, I was just advising anyone else reading this thread to do a 30 second Google search on their problem before plunging right into the RMA process.
N10AP said:
My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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Well put... i couldn't have said it better.
N10AP said:
My point is, as consumers, we shouldn`t have to research how to fix a dead phone. Google shouldn`t be discouraged with us, they should be on the case to LG as they design and build the phone.
Most people here do like getting their hands dirty with fixing and flashing etc, but why should a consumer fix a faulty phone when the phone has been used as per correct guidelines> It doesn`t make sense to me...
If you bought a brand new car, eg a 2013 Ford and they were selling it at cost price, would it make you want to repair it yourself if the engine was knackered? Of course not, you would expect the dealer to do it.
Don`t feel bad about RMAing devices... It doesn`t matter if they are brilliant value, you want them right. Google`s business model is obviously working for them, or there wouldn`t be a Nexus 4, hell there wouldn`t even be a Galaxy Nexus... Google have taken all of this into account. If a lot of people are getting rejects, then it`s up to LG to sort it...
Does it say in the instructions that you shouldnt let the battery go completely flat or it will kil the phone? No.
So don`t worry about it.
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Do you also tank gas in your car after the tank is bone dry, all gasfumes are used and the car stopped?
gee2012 said:
Do you also tank gas in your car after the tank is bone dry, all gasfumes are used and the car stopped?
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Sorry can you translate? Trouble understanding u my friend.
If you run out of fuel, you can put more in it and the car isn't dead. With more fuel it will be fine. Bit of a rubbish anology there mate.
I don't know what you are getting at.
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N10AP said:
Sorry can you translate? Trouble understanding u my friend.
If you run out of fuel, you can put more in it and the car isn't dead. With more fuel it will be fine. Bit of a rubbish anology there mate.
I don't know what you are getting at.
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My post looks quite clear to me
If you were to completely drain the battery , somehow. Either charge or replace it. Phone will turn on..
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Yep. It's true that nexus 4s are a little hard to revive after a dead battery. Some revive fine, some die instantly.
I'd say don't get it to 0 though. All batteries will suffer from it.
Sorry if these points have been said already, didn't read the whole thread.
Hello, I've got my Nexus 4 from this Monday but only yesterday I noticed that it warms up a little too much.
Today I tried a "Classic Stability Test" to see how much the CPU and the battery warms up and after 7-8 minutes... The phone was like lava! Battery was at 50,7 c° and the CPU at 84 c°!
With games like GTA Vice City I got like 46 Battery and 64 CPU, and this should be normal, right?
P.S. I live in Sardinia, 30 Degrees today...
lol well.... is running stability test part of your everyday routine, and something you require to be able to do with your phone? thats like putting a brick on your gas pedal with the car in neutral and getting a little bit worried that the engine temp is rising.
on a more serious note, 64* is fine, more than fine for every day use. games like gta will probably stress your phone as much as anything youd do on a regular basis, even nova 3. mainly because gta optimization sucks, so it still strains your cpu as much as games with better graphics. 84* is getting up there, but lg didnt add a thermal shutdown limit just for the hell of it. you havent hit it, so you havent damaged anything.
username8611 said:
lol well.... is running stability test part of your everyday routine, and something you require to be able to do with your phone? thats like putting a brick on your gas pedal with the car in neutral and getting a little bit worried that the engine temp is rising.
on a more serious note, 64* is fine, more than fine for every day use. games like gta will probably stress your phone as much as anything youd do on a regular basis, even nova 3. mainly because gta optimization sucks, so it still strains your cpu as much as games with better graphics. 84* is getting up there, but lg didnt add a thermal shutdown limit just for the hell of it. you havent hit it, so you havent damaged anything.
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Ok, I know that, but that reassures me, thanks
BTW, for the battery the limit is like 60, right? So It should be okay, no?
PwNeGeR said:
Ok, I know that, but that reassures me, thanks
BTW, for the battery the limit is like 60, right? So It should be okay, no?
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In all honesty, I have no idea what the limit is for the battery, I don't even care about this "too hot" nonsense, you should have seen the amount of threads we had on here a few months ago. I do know that 80* is pretty warm for the CPU, but still pretty far from even beginning to damage anything. The thermal shutdown for the CPU is 100*.I don't worry about battery temps, I've left my phones in my car on a hot summer day and it pretty much burned me when I picked it up.... everything was fine. Is that kind of stuff good for it? no. If someone snuck in my car, and brought it into my house and it was completely cooled before I touched it, could I notice that something was funky with my battery? hell no, any difference from any kind of battery abuse on any of my phones has been completely in-perceivable.
Brand new nexus 4 batteries on ebay are really easy to find. And cheap (all things considered). At 40$ a pop, I'll pay that a year and a half later than letting some kind of OCD drive me insane lol, To add fuel to this overheating scare everyone has, I've had my thermal throttle completely disabled since I got my phone, 6 months ago.
Electronics have ALWAYS produced heat, that's how they work. But now, having a quad core 1.5ghz processor in your pocket, that isn't even air cooled, you WILL feel the temperature. That doesn't mean anything is wrong. I dare you to open up your computer right now, flip it off, pull off the heatsink and touch the processor. You will get burned. But that's how it runs, and you never would have known if you didn't feel the heat coming through the case or touched it for yourself.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, your good and in the clear... long ways to go before you cause damage lol
edit: looks like batteries are closer to 20$ now, they used to be around 40$
edit2: fixed some wording, I sounded a bit like a douche
username8611 said:
In all honesty, I have no idea what the limit is for the battery, I don't even care about this "too hot" nonsense, you should have seen the amount of threads we had on here a few months ago. I do know that 80* is pretty warm for the CPU, but still pretty far from even beginning to damage anything. The thermal shutdown for the CPU is 100*.I don't worry about battery temps, I've left my phones in my car on a hot summer day and it pretty much burned me when I picked it up.... everything was fine. Is that kind of stuff good for it? no. If someone snuck in my car, and brought it into my house and it was completely cooled before I touched it, could I notice that something was funky with my battery? hell no, any difference from any kind of battery abuse on any of my phones has been completely in-perceivable.
I also know that I found brand new nexus 4 batteries on ebay in about .5 sec, they are easy to find. And cheap (all things considered). At 40$ a pop, I'll pay that a year and a half later than letting some kind of OCD drive me insane lol, To add fuel to this overheating scare everyone has, I've had my thermal throttle completely disabled since I got my phone, 6 months ago.
Electronics have ALWAYS produced heat, that's how they work. But now, having a quad core 1.5ghz processor in your pocket, that isn't ever air cooled, you WILL feel the temperature. That doesn't mean anything is wrong. I dare you to open up your computer right now, flip it off, pull off the heatsink and touch the processor. You will get burned. But that's how it runs, and you never would have known if you didn't feel the heat coming through the case or touched it for yourself.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, your good and in the clear... long ways to go before you cause damage lol
edit: looks like batteries are closer to 20$ now, they used to be around 40$
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Thanks for the answer, thanks!
PwNeGeR said:
Thanks for the answer, thanks!
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no problem:good:
im glad i dodnt have to reply to this, that someone else answered, lol! but seriously, if the phone overheats, battery or cpu, the phone will turn itself off as a safety, to cool off. anything below the safety temps isnt overheated. when things get pushed, itll heat up, thats jusy how things work. and if the surrounding air temp is warmer, the phone will heat up quicker and warmer.
simms22 said:
im glad i dodnt have to reply to this, that someone else answered, lol! but seriously, if the phone overheats, battery or cpu, the phone will turn itself off as a safety, to cool off. anything below the safety temps isnt overheated. when things get pushed, itll heat up, thats jusy how things work. and if the surrounding air temp is warmer, the phone will heat up quicker and warmer.
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I know, but I was a little scared by this...
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I know, but I was a little scared by this...
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dont be. there is a lot of misinformed people out there, that just dont know, that publish blogs and posts that end up scaring people for no reason. the thing with the n4 is the "being able to feel the heat", thats what freaks out many. its all because of the glass. my other devices(galaxy nexus and nexus 7) get much warmer than my n4, but you cant feel the heat because of the plastic backs.
Sorry again but this is what i obtained after 20 minutes of Vice City.
OK, Maybe it's the game bad programmed but this can't be "normal".
I've 15 days for ask for a new one, star should i do?
P.s. I just coocked the CPU of my PC like 1 year ago, it works but it got some damages. I really don't want to burn anything else
(Sorry for my bad english)
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PwNeGeR said:
Sorry again but this is what i obtained after 20 minutes of Vice City.
OK, Maybe it's the game bad programmed but this can't be "normal".
I've 15 days for ask for a new one, star should i do?
P.s. I just coocked the CPU of my ar ago, it works but it got some damages. I really don't want to burn anything else
(Sorry for my bad english)
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its hot, but could be normal, especially while playing cpu and gpu intensive games. i play lots on my n7, and i can reach 85C easily when gaming. so its not out of reason. the safety is 100C for cpu, when the device shuts itself down to cool off. out of curiousity, were you plugged in?
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its hot, but could be normal, especially while playing cpu and gpu intensive games. i play lots on my n7, and i can reach 85C easily when gaming. so its not out of reason. the safety is 100C for cpu, when the device shuts itself down to cool off. out of curiousity, were you plugged in?
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No, it wasn't plugged in...
EDIT: I want to ask another thing... For N4, how much degrees needs for "overheat"?
(sorry for bad english)
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No, it wasn't plugged in...
EDIT: I want to ask another thing... For N4, how much degrees needs for "overheat"?
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the overheating temp for battery is over 60C and cpu is more than 100C.Funny my N4 can rungta vice city just fine.i played it for 15 or 20 minutes and the temp was 48C but idk the cpu temp
hope it helps
I have a Note 4 that is stock that started randomly restarting. Then it couldn't even boot all the way up. I noticed it was getting very hot near the sim card. After letting it sit for a day, and cool off, I think. I was able to get into stock recovery and do a factory reset before it froze again. However, it still can't even boot all the way to the welcome screen. I assume it is a hardware issue. Any advice on what to repair/replace to fix this? Is it the motherboard? Thanks.
Hi, you could try to flash the stock ROM of the Android version that you're using. If that doesn't help, it's most likely an hardware issue and you have to send it to Samsung or get it repaired otherwise if possible.
Thanks. I am pretty sure it is the motherboard that has gone bad. It won't stay powered on long enough to flash a rom.
Vygravlil said:
Hi, you could try to flash the stock ROM of the Android version that you're using. If that doesn't help, it's most likely an hardware issue and you have to send it to Samsung or get it repaired otherwise if possible.
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Can you access the download mode of your device long enough? If yes, you could use the software Odin to flash the ROM.
If no, I guess nothing than Samsung itself can help you.
when my note 4 died suddenly during the day- having had issues like freezing, laggin and restarting since MM6.0.1- I thought it was ready for the burial but I read online somewhere- too many google pages LOL- to take the battery out, put it to chill in the fridge for 10 mins (I left mine in for 30), take it out and put the battery back in . Totally resuscitated!
Now using Wakelock app and all is- fingers crossed- well i.e.: no more lagging, freezing etc.
(I somehow could not flash custom firmware using my Mac after 3 tries- )
That's EXACTLY the case with mine right now, did you figure out the problem and if you did would you please be so kind and tell us what was it, i'm majorly desperate, i'm thinking a short circuit.
FoxX666MegAx said:
That's EXACTLY the case with mine right now, did you figure out the problem and if you did would you please be so kind and tell us what was it, i'm majorly desperate, i'm thinking a short circuit.
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Sorry, no. I was going to replace the motherboard, but didn't find a good deal on one and gave up.
erikcave said:
Sorry, no. I was going to replace the motherboard, but didn't find a good deal on one and gave up.
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Thanks for the quick reply, guess i should probably follow up too, i'll try to remove the shorting using Elma's solution and if it doesn't work i'll just throw it out, a new motherboard costs as much as a whole new phone, and yeah your Note 4 was shorted as well, most likely due to a poor quality battery or a bad Charger/USB cable or excessively using it while charging.