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I've been endlessly scouring this section of the forums for the last few weeks trying to figure out which rom would work best for me. There is one problem though, I can't for the life of me figure out which things work/do not work in each of the major roms. It's really important to me that nothing/minimal is broken in a rom that I choose. I'm hoping to make and maintain a list of specifically what does NOT work in each rom to help make the choices easier to sift through. The 1st posts of official rom threads usually have some things listed, but reading through the (million page) threads yields more issues.
The only problem, however, may be that most people are using a different combo of kernal/rom/hardware which obviously changes things, so I'm hoping to try and sift through that too. Perhaps make some tables to make it easier.
The Evo rom wiki has tables but only outlines basic functions.
*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here.
*Devs: I'd love personal input here if possible. Thanks.
nomadicthoughts said:
*Mods: thought long and hard about which section to put this in, I think it's best served here
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Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
JoeLithium said:
Just sayin. This section is supposed to be for posting ROMs and development related items.
I'm not a mod so It's up to them, but, this should be in Q&A.
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Well, it is directly related to ROMs and development, but yeah if this isn't the right section please move it.
I totally understand the problem your having though. It's a bit unorganized but it's partially because of the vast development community that the Evo has. There is a wiki at the top of this section that might grant a little more insight. I don't know if it's exactly what your looking for.
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I do like to play "forum police" though I'm not a mod. I can understand why you posted here and it wasn't a blatant disregard for the rules. So no biggy to me anyway. The reason I get pissed is because it's already so cluttered that more threads make it that much harder.
You have to look in the OP of each thread in the android decelopement section and choose based on what you need from your phone and what you want. Myn's warm twopointtwo works perfectly for a sense rom and there is a cyanogenmod 7 beta with ewimax out now. So it has everything but HDMI working for a gingerbread aosp rom
Well here are some tips for you:
If it's a stock based Sense rom then everything should work unless the dev is an idiot.
If it's an AOSP rom then everything but hdmi and 4g should work (and 4g actually has a fix and can be made to work now)
If it's a port of another rom then hdmi, 4g, and typically the camera won't work (but this usually gets fixed). Sometimes various sensors aren't working properly either (like orientation)
We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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I had the same problem as you a while back. In my opinion, if you are rooted you have already done the hard work. You now have a custom recovery with nandroid, a godsend, which you can use to fall back on if anything were to go wrong. My advice would be to just take the plunge. Grab a handful of ROMS that sound suitable to your needs and start to flash them. If you get stuck in bootloops or the ROM isn't what you want, all you have to do is nandroid and start over. I would recommend to give each ROM at least 2 battery cycles before you decide. On my setup, it seems to take a bit to "settle in". I think if you tried to make tables of ALL possibilities it would be mind boggling to sift through.
I realize this isn't a direct answer to your question, its just my thoughts. Hope it helps and good luck!
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We take a stock Rom and a stock kernel and twist the hell out of it way beyond its means and then ***** about what works and what does not!
Bad topic!
Devs don't want to hear this crap that what pm's
Are for and ops and such I understand you but worthless topic and it only benefits you and not the community!
You can't even follow edicit
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To the Op, If its sense based, nothing will be broken. If the rom is AOSP, then 4G and HDMI are broken, however Cyanogenmod is the only AOSP rom with a semi-functional 4G. Also if the rom is Gingerbread 4G, and HDMI are broken, and likewise again, Cyanogenmod 7 is the only Gingerbread mod with a semi-working 4G. The way the ROM's work right now unless its an alpha wimax ROM for AOSP, then flashing a different kernel won't affect the features of the ROM, unless you forgot to wipe before flashing. You can simplify your list down to 2 categories Sense and AOSP, if its SENSE everything works, if its AOSP, 4g and HDMI are broken, and under the AOSP you can list the 2 Alpha releases of wimax for Cyanogen.
Simply put, if you want everything to work, then try these Sense based Roms:
Mikfroyo: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883026
Myn's Warm: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
Calkulin's EVIO: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745205
If you don't mind not having 4G(or don't live in a 4G area), and don't plan to use HDMI, then check out these AOSP Roms:
MIUI: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915527
Cyanogen mod 6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735596
Evervolv (gingerbread): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878020
Cyanogen mod7 (gingerbread): 2 Links below
ROM: http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?type=nightly&device=supersonic
GAPPS: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110120-signed.zip
*****To eVoKINGS******
Learn manners please KINGS, the guy thought he had the correct section, and apologized if it was the incorrect section and requested it be moved. If you don't like it don't post in it, he was already informed by others that it was the incorrect section, and then you had to try and jump down his throat about it.
Your posts are composed like they belong to a 12 year old kid googling words to sound older. You can't blame it on auto-correct, I use my EVO to compose a-lot of text messages and the words are never misspelled because I proof read what I type with it, so that I don't come across jabbering like an idiot.
And yes i realize my retort back at Kings is completely contradictory to what I had just typed.
Thanks so much. I was just trying to help the 'tweeners' in my position, those who have some but not too much experience with roms. And the entire reason I even asked/bothered to offer my time was because each ROM thread has numerous issues that are hard to decipher as being general widespread issues, or single isolated issues, and the process of sifting through gargantuan threads is pretty tedious.
small example: some roms have keyboard display issues
But I digress
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And to eVoKings, yeah it's awesome that you take a kernel and rom and twist the hell out of it, but in the end I'm the one using the kernel/rom and still want it to be fully functional (and everybody has a different definition of what exactly that constitutes). I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people who actually THANK devs, it's great. But you have to learn to take criticism too (even if it's free)
XDA throwing out m-deejay has absolutley sickened me. He was one of the most busiest devs on this forum and to throw him out, delete his topics, (whatever you want to call it) is discusting, who gives a toss about GPL? I mean how ridiculous is it that XDA supports devs touching WM/WP roms (which is against licensing) , yeah M$ turn a blind eye but thats not the point, yet at same time they go all Nazi because m-deejay preferred to keep his work closed???
If m-deejay wanted to keep his work closed that was his choice, I dont think XDA should give a toss either way, especially when teh alternative is to lose him/other devs altogether.
Dont get me wrong I understand that Android is supposed to be open source but it just seems silly to lose somebody with as much talent as m-deejay and im disgusted ad XDA for doing so, was hoping he would show up elsewhere but havent seen/heard anything
Sorry about the rant but just upset a bit since it seems he has gone for good now, hasn't even signed in since the 5th
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XDA throwing out m-deejay has absolutley sickened me. He was one of the most busiest devs on this forum and to throw him out, delete his topics, (whatever you want to call it) is discusting, who gives a toss about GPL? I mean how ridiculous is it that XDA supports devs touching WM/WP roms (which is against licensing) , yeah M$ turn a blind eye but thats not the point, yet at same time they go all Nazi because m-deejay preferred to keep his work closed???
If m-deejay wanted to keep his work closed that was his choice, I dont think XDA should give a toss either way, especially when teh alternative is to lose him/other devs altogether.
Dont get me wrong I understand that Android is supposed to be open source but it just seems silly to lose somebody with as much talent as m-deejay and im disgusted ad XDA for doing so, was hoping he would show up elsewhere but havent seen/heard anything
Sorry about the rant but just upset a bit since it seems he has gone for good now, hasn't even signed in since the 5th
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And what's your point? Whining?
(btw: Modding your device is not against licenses at all as you are allowed to do everything you want with your hardware)
Here's the thing:
1) I'm sure none of his stuff was actually deleted, they probably moved it to an archive forum or some hidden forum which can be restored in about 30 seconds.
2) There is a BIG difference between WM6.5 roms and Android as far as licensing goes. Android only works the way it does because of the license, MDJ did incredible things as far as ROM and kernel development, and I loved his ROMs, but without distributing the source code is muddles everything up, how did he do what he did? what if I want to incorporate that in my ROM? why were some things broken and some things not? etc...
not only that, but if it's "not a big deal" why the hell didn't he just give his damn code? it's not that hard and so many would benefit. If the mods let MDJ get away with GPL non-compliance, then they have to let everyone get away with it, and that's just not going to work. No one drove him off or messed with him, just up the damn code dude. It does have an effect when you put out a linux distro with no source code, that's how **** gets muddied up and craptified, the same isn't true with winmo because we don't even have the damn source code and it doesn't work the same way at all.
MDJ's Cynogen 2.6 rom was the forst and best NANB build i ever used... hope he comes back...
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And what's your point? Whining?
(btw: Modding your device is not against licenses at all as you are allowed to do everything you want with your hardware)
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Its not "whining" its called expressing ones opinion in a forum.
And where did I say or infer that modding our devices was against licensing? I was referring to modding/distributing Microsoft code which IS against licensing. Not that I have anything against that just making a point that XDA turns a blind eye against that (aswell as ms) but dont against GPL.
@ orangekid
I understand and agree to an extent with what your saying but just making a point. XDA was built on infringing licenses (ie microsoft) and then when it comes to free open source stuff they decide to throw a great guy like mdj out because he decided to keep his work to himself.
I agree that it servers a bigger purpose to have it all open, It just gutting that at same time it resulting in a great dev leaving.
Maybe it was mdj's fault, I just know that majority of people would rather have him back and that the HD2 forum was better with him, And please dont take that teh wrong way, we still have some excellent devs here with some excellent roms, I use and enjoy majority of their work daily (im addicted like many others) all im saying is that we have lost a big part of the HD2 forum
why don't u do the secret "atheist prayer" so maybe he can come back?
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XDA throwing out m-deejay has absolutley sickened me. He was one of the most busiest devs on this forum and to throw him out, delete his topics, (whatever you want to call it) is discusting, who gives a toss about GPL? I mean how ridiculous is it that XDA supports devs touching WM/WP roms (which is against licensing) , yeah M$ turn a blind eye but thats not the point, yet at same time they go all Nazi because m-deejay preferred to keep his work closed???
If m-deejay wanted to keep his work closed that was his choice, I dont think XDA should give a toss either way, especially when teh alternative is to lose him/other devs altogether.
Dont get me wrong I understand that Android is supposed to be open source but it just seems silly to lose somebody with as much talent as m-deejay and im disgusted ad XDA for doing so, was hoping he would show up elsewhere but havent seen/heard anything
Sorry about the rant but just upset a bit since it seems he has gone for good now, hasn't even signed in since the 5th
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Have you ever thought if every devs here keeping their works close to themselves like him? what would happen?
You should look at the big picture, what XDA (well, not that big, you can't see that far, how about HD2 Android roms)would become, if all devs wouldn't want share anything?
Lol @ the crying here
Its his own fault he got banned
Deal w/ it
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Atheist, normally I agree with you on these forums, and I know you don't say a lot of stupid stuff.
That said, you're wrong here in my opinion. A rule was put in place, and MDJ blatantly decided to disregard it. Darkstone himself has stated that he has told MDJ on the IRC logs to post the source code and he still didn't.
While we don't know the full story, from what I've seen, nobody has "thrown out" MDJ, he just doesn't care enough to 1) share his code with us and 2) even make a singe post regarding why he does not/cannot share his code. He knows he's in the wrong, and he won't even try to defend himself.
If he ever decides to come back and share his work though, I will be the first in line to try his ROM. His work was fantastic.
Besides he used to share work work of other Devs...numerous fixes like GPS or USB mount in gingerbread in his build were result of fixes done by other devs like gauner and diem...I don't see how it is fair that he doesn't share his own work yet uses work of other devs...
True he used to work hard on his builds but dude there have been good enough builds in absence too, the HD2 forum is one of the busiest with many devs still working on a 2yr old device
Closing this thread. The language has already got out of hand. Please, stop making threads that create flaming and trolling.
noellenchris
Mod Edit: This thread is not how to properly appeal a decision. Learn some respect, and take a gander at this post. First, and only, warning to all involved in this thread.
Love his ROMs.
shoestring789 said:
Im sure this thread will get removed or closed and I will get punished like a child thats misbehaving, but I feel that in a community based forum that is designed for people to come together and share ideas and teach one another, that one of the BEST developers of some of the most, if not THE most, stable ROMS gets denied a status as RECOGNIZED DEVELOPER by the same community administators that Im sure USE or HAVE USED his ROMS is flat idiotic and ridiculous!! This thread is just to let people know whats going on with the "higher ups" of XDA. Hope a few people get to see this anyways before either its gone, Im gone, or both!!!
PS - THERE IS A PETITION IN THE GENERAL SECTION!! GO SIGN IT!!
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not sure what the issue is, did he ask to have the recognized developer status or just doesn't have it yet?
I've seen quite a few copy and pasters throw roms together from other people's work (direct porting with our boot image and build prop tweaks, swapping apns, libs and eri's etc., even I can do that and will never claim to be a developer), or just compile straight from cm source and they have the recognized developer status... I was under the impression that it wasn't that hard to get....?
That said, I haven't used his roms, but I hear good things and I'm not sure why he wouldn't be worthy of the developer status
He asked and was denied
moderators are few and especially in this section. I wouldn't be surprised if they stayed up for days.
I support Nils and all his work. He's a great guy and an excellent developer, I don't see how they could not recognize him with the rest of the developers when he has done so much in this community.
I have been as impressed with his work about as much as anyone else's. I would love to know the details behind that decision being made.
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Ya know.... I'm pretty tired of the *****ing & whining here on XDA lately. Who gives a ****? IT'S THE INTERNET, not a promotion at a job, new girlfriend or car.
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I started off wrong. My apologies.
I appreciate all the hard work and believe every developer is due their recognition but...
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Ya know.... I'm pretty tired of the *****ing & whining here on XDA lately. Who gives a ****? IT'S THE INTERNET, not a promotion at a job, new girlfriend or car.
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Life will go on.
Developing ain't for sissie's
Dmadrid98 said:
I started off wrong. My apologies.
I appreciate all the hard work and believe every developer is due their recognition but...
Life will go on.
Developing ain't for sissie's
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No problem. Thanks Bud.
YOUR FONT IS TOO SMALL
I agree 100%. This is crap.
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I 100% agree that this is crap.
If I'm not mistaken Nil's has been the only DEV supporting this phone since the beginning.I know personally that he answers questions and shares information. So hopefully the powers that be will reconsider.
no, lets give all the credit to AOSP developers and people who throw crap together from other roms and claim "it's a tottaly new rom! " this is f'ing stupid, XDA.
At this point it would be my guess that you have to make or be a part of a breakthrough of some sort in order to be recognized. A stable rom isn't exactly something that people can be recognized for because all the copy-and-pasters screwed that up for everyone. There's no telling what belongs to who in a ROM so why give people props for it when there's so much going on as far as people just taking stuff.
If I were looking to be recognized I'd do something innovative... Get WP7 on here, make a live wallpaper that has the camera active so its like were looking through our phone, etc etc. Most recognized developers develop for more than one phone so crank out something that the EVO and Desire can use as well as us... Things like that.
That's the only logic I can follow as far as why he was denied.
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At this point it would be my guess that you have to make or be a part of a breakthrough of some sort in order to be recognized. A stable rom isn't exactly something that people can be recognized for because all the copy-and-pasters screwed that up for everyone. There's no telling what belongs to who in a ROM so why give people props for it when there's so much going on as far as people just taking stuff.
If I were looking to be recognized I'd do something innovative... Get WP7 on here, make a live wallpaper that has the camera active so its like were looking through our phone, etc etc. Most recognized developers develop for more than one phone so crank out something that the EVO and Desire can use as well as us... Things like that.
That's the only logic I can follow as far as why he was denied.
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Being innovative has nothing to do with being a recognised dev. it's just being that, recognised for what you have done. it's about contributions and being helpful. not who's done the most awesome rom, mod or app. it's not a super dev contest... if that were the case, easily more than half of the recognised devs would not be recognized because they are drag and drop devs with no programing skills. just swap and remove files from one rom to another and call it their rom.
to be more exact to the terms of being a RD, here are the actual requirements...
-Be a developer that regularly posts your work/works on XDA
-Post helpful threads in the general section
-Regularly help answer questions in the Q&A Sections
-Not be found guilty of flaming
-And of course, feel out the Recognized Developer of XDA request form(When available which it currently is not at this time).
If you know Nils or have dealt with him in any way, you know he meets most if not all these requirements.
Well said Stoney!
This place has gone to hell ever since the closing of newtoroot threads a month or two back and with all the drama with certain devs. I'm glad I got my dinc 2 and don't have to see such travesties like this. Eff Ex Dee Ay.
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Stoney 666 said:
Being innovative has nothing to do with being a recognised dev. it's just being that, recognised for what you have done. it's about contributions and being helpful. not who's done the most awesome rom, mod or app. it's not a super dev contest... if that were the case, easily more than half of the recognised devs would not be recognized because they are drag and drop devs with no programing skills. just swap and remove files from one rom to another and call it their rom.
to be more exact to the terms of being a RD, here are the actual requirements...
-Be a developer that regularly posts your work/works on XDA
-Post helpful threads in the general section
-Regularly help answer questions in the Q&A Sections
-Not be found guilty of flaming
-And of course, feel out the Recognized Developer of XDA request form(When available which it currently is not at this time).
If you know Nils or have dealt with him in any way, you know he meets most if not all these requirements.
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How exactly does one feel out the form? lol. Sorry trolling, but I had to.
If you go by the definition you stated, then most rom builders would fit the bill. I have seen huge support by most devs on this forum. It sounds tho, that there is more to this than we know.
xda is starting to lose my respect and my visiting
Ok so this is my opinion and I'm tired of seeing it happen.
Number one where the end user goes wrong.
Begging for more and more and more... (this goes on and on)
Thinking these devs owe you something.
Asking already answered multiple times questions.
Asking questions in a cdma forum if its for GSM
Commenting back on a post that includes the above items. And fuelling a battle that will only end with a mod envoking their privileges, or a Dev gets the ****s of it.
Mods you go wrong by not stepping in sooner for these imature posts. To many mods like to warn everyone that they have these privileges. Just do your job and delete the posts or block multiple offenders. If your not going to do that then don't add in to the mess how you managed to be given such a great ability, and how you are not afraid to use it.
Devs, come on... sometimes as much as I rely upon you I have to think yous are the worst at all of the above. I'm sorry if someone takes your work, and rewrites the build.prop to make it look like their own. But holy **** where did your main source come from? I have yet to see one dev rewrite the entire linux kernel, that android is using, from scratch. Yet no dev is giving credit to those who did write it and continue to maintain it. Not one rom creator gives credit to google or aosp at the beginning of their thread. Hell some working on cm dont even give credit to cyanogen. It would be one dark day if cyanogen were to pull cm and say one dev didnt give him credit for what he started.
Bottom line people android is an amazing platform that had it not been for the amazing dev community, modders, and tweakers, and even end user would just be another iphone. Instead there are so many things that we can do that an iphone user cant do as easily. Like send an attatchment (other than images) right from the email app. Everyone as a whole is making this what it is. Even if they only make a slight change, or report a bug. If u dont want someone using your work then work on something closed source. Cause open source is all about the community. And its that community that got it here.
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matthewflinchbaugh said:
Mods you go wrong by not stepping in sooner for these imature posts. To many mods like to warn everyone that they have these privileges. Just do your job and delete the posts or block multiple offenders. If your not going to do that then don't add in to the mess how you managed to be given such a great ability, and how you are not afraid to use it.
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If you report these posts, I will take a look & make a decision on what should be done. Sadly I cannot read every post from every thread all the time, help me to help you.
i guess we need more mods soon.lol
Typical scenario is;
v 0.1 based on this and that.
v 0.2 changed launcher, added ringtones
v 0.3 new wallpapers, added ram script
v 0.4 added new market, added google+
Excuse me!?! This is not development. This is stealing!
I think these people should just wank instead of copy/pasting. Would be more beneficial for both public and themselves.
Rant over.
Thank you.
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Typical scenario is;
v 0.1 based on this and that.
v 0.2 changed launcher, added ringtones
v 0.3 new wallpapers, added ram script
v 0.4 added new market, added google+
Excuse me!?! This is not development. This is stealing!
I think these people should just wank instead of copy/pasting. Would be more beneficial for both public and themselves.
Rant over.
Thank you.
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Agreed, but if credit is given to original devs you can't really call it "stealing" cause Android is OSP after all...I'm no dev myself but it does seem many ROMs available are CM tweaks achievable with a few market downloads or simply AOSP with extra's...however sometimes certain ROMs begin as "Zip developments" and get later support with real devs and change fundamental features (kernels, code-base etc.) so it's not all bad...
Totally agree..........
But it's not the actual non-development of new roms that is getting on my nerves the most, its the constant *****ing and arguing through lack of understanding different languages etc etc..........
All i have to say is read the threads carefully as i've noticed some people who don't speak english very well get the hump on as they don't understand clearly what people are saying.
I know i've had my rants in some of these threads before and i don't blame anyone else for doing it too. I've managed to restrain myself the last few weeks as our arguments are falling on deaf ears so whats the point, i'll just ignore the idiots making fools out of themselves by bringing us stuff we've already had for a long time and stick to what i know best.
What you've said is true Scratch...even if the ROM cookers do bring something new often nobody knows what that new stuff is because of the poor English. I'm not trying to insult them but I would recommend, especially with a specialized thing such as compiling/ making a ROM, the English needs to be clear and concise so everyone knows what is being released, what changes have been made and what's been modified. More often than not, as you say Scratch, people get upset because of a misunderstanding. Maybe those struggling with the language can consult friends/devs and ask exactly how to express something they've done in their ROM so everybody is clear on what's happening.
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...I've managed to restrain myself the last few weeks...
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True, I have got quite a lot to say over this entire fiasco over the Android 4.0 "ports" and "source builds" that is currently playing out in the dev zone like a long dragging soap opera, but, its just not worth it, so, just let them argue over themselves who is first and who is the true dev and what not. Besides, it's not a good feeling when these Zip Devs accuse you of various stuffs when you speak out against them. It's extremely childish and irritating to read those posts, but I guess it can't be helped. Zip developers are not a localized phenomenon, they are everywhere, and since Android and ROMs like Cyanogenmod are Open Source, we have nothing to say, and have to live with it.
There's another new phenomenon which is playing out and can be seen on pretty much every ROM. Someone gets a ROM to boot / work at a basic level, create a thread and build up major hype and hoopla on it, and EVERYONE of these "devs" proclaim "I need help to do this and do that./..... bla bla bla". Zip dev is not such a big issue per se, but, the level of intellect is terribly low among the "devs". I believe most of them are what? 12-13 year olds, and, they act their age perfectly, unlike someone like Jacob.
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Case in point, after Arco has announced his intentions and the fact he already has a working port in progress:
I was first, it was my idea, I continue and basta.
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Enough said.
Ahah, doing small things for the buzz (pun intended), acquiring a fame in trolland
Lol, I've made myself clear on this too.
" the ability to read is good,
the ability to understand what you've read is great "
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...om-developers-i-think-we-need-to-have-a-talk/
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dragging soap opera.
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Don't you mean aosp opera? Hehe...okay, I'll stop with the bad jokes.
And I fully agree with the topic. Anyone can open up any rom .zip paste in some apps, reflash and repackage it as your own.
Agree with this. Sadly I'm one of the offenders, that will have a moan at people developing zip-roms. I accept that this isnt the greatest way to deal with people on forums like theese. But it seems the only good way to get my point across to people that aren't that great at english.
Although, I must add one thing. I've seen roms get tossed around the development forums like mad. It seems to go like this in the dev. forums.
People create a booting rom. Or compile a new one.
People add a few fixes, someone creates a spin off.
Original dev discontinues rom, other 'developers' ask to continue it, even when they have projects in hand.
Someone picks up the pieces months later. After even the re-contiuned rom is given up with.
People spin roms off from there.
All i can say is dear god. I have been reading all that threads last few days and i was frapped how people are shalow in glorifying them selves and their so called development skills. I didnt want to coment anything cauze i have run into such argument once before with someone who was constantly refusing to understand what i am saying and i dont want to do it again, so i leave my thoughts here.
So people should get on the ground for change and start doing something usefull instead of make dozen threads, first when you dig something, than another one when you are asking if it can be done and finaly one when you "do" something. What they have done is nothing. They are just thanks chasers. In last few days there were more new roms than it was for whole Wildfire lifetime.
I remember tje days when there was just three or four roms and they worked, you hear me, they worked. So stop posting such s**t unles u did something that is realy worth it.
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Yes you are right, zip development is horrible. Lately there has been a major rise in "new" roms that have been hitting the development thread. I swear I have seen at least 5 to 10 roms all based on CM7 or oxygen. And what's different? It's "fast and stable" "Is themed to look like ICS" "Has a script that I actually don't know what it does but it must do something good". And its "my" rom because I grabbed a rom.zip from a device that runs oxygen smoothly and added the boot.img and the build prop right from the CM7 rom.zip and then cooked it and I posted it under MY account so its MY rom. There is a problem though, my genius copy/paste skills on my computer that took forever to build up are limited to actually being able to fix problems with things like Bluetooth and GPS, etc. So what do I do then? Hell I request "help" to fix the problems and once a genius like acro or another real dev comes in and fixes it for me, I take the fix and say it was all MY work. AOSP stands for ANDROID OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. The source is open to anyone that can use linux terminal (that's half the problem). The other problem is that no one could be bothered taking the time to actually learn a skill. They want to do something now, and now only. They won't spend hours and days learning how to program in java or C because it takes "too long" and just wants to begin this so called "deving" now. This is a rant about zip development, but wait you say, I do .zip development though? Yes I do, but what I am talking about is .zip development that is based on a .zip that is actually OPEN SOURCE. If something is OPEN SOURCE there is no point in taking a compiled .zip and "porting it" to our device. You do this because its easy for you to hit download and copy and paste, but you don't "have the time" to setup a download of the source and compile it to a rom. Zip development that is for CLOSED SOURCE on the other hand is way different. HTC, MIUI, etc. are all roms that have no open source code so all the work has to be done based on a .zip. Since the code is not available this is the only option. This in my opinion is the only kind of good .zip development since there is no source to build from. I would love to download the source and mess around with the ICS source and try to compile something but my computer is got really bad specs and my internet is so slow. I will just leave that kind of work to acro and the real devs
I agree with this. Looking through the more recent Wildfire ROMS, I can see a pattern for most. So, I have started to come up with a fight back, for individuality and mostly, for a better mobile experience. It would mean a lot if you could help me out with THIS.
Sorry to ask in this thread, but I thought it might be a good idea
Before I get accused of zipfile developing, I only compiled an edited kernel for the ROM to allow touchscreen to work a little.
I am not a "zipfile" developer and I am not going to be, my interest is in kernels.
I happened to come to xda at the wrong time, first thing kaassaus did was ask me to follow a tutorial to get touchscreen working (which took all of 20 seconds).
I think posting an ICS zip is okay FOR NOW because there is no OPEN source for the wildfire for it, and Arco is NOT breaking the GPL because he hasn't redistributed it yet.
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We are not accusing anyone. My point is dev section is not a learning section. Those who want to learn development can pop into chefs section instead of releasing a rom with 2 zillion bugs.
There is a reason for this forum is not called xda-tweakers. Because our devs are devs. They are not steve jobs like tweakers.
2nd rant over. Class dismissed
Okay, Zip development is not so bad, actualy is needed in some points. For flashing kernels or some other things. But look at some of that AOSP-fast and stable roms. What do they bring us? Nothing. It is just repacked CM nightly or stable. To "develop" such rom you need WinZip and in best case Android SDK if they decide to decompile and recompile few apps instead of treating them with winzip too to change few icons and voila, NEW ROM. Better yet someome will take any theme and implement it into framework.And he will be so proud because his rom has diferent look. What else we can still expect is ES file explorer instead of OI, Miui galery, themed keyborad, different font and unforgetable scripts which do god knows what. They are the main part. Is that a rom? No it isn't my dear friends. Its a disrespect to any real developer here. All that we already have. We have themes, we have scripts we have everything that flashable and we dont need another yet ****y rom to tell us what is fast and stable.
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I don't find anything wrong in updating an already present ROM's with new applications update ,... even though i must say there is a trend in past few weeks that lot of ROM's in buzz section were merely identical and there was no development in them
I was browsing the old threads of the Dev Zone, and came on this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884659
Amazing, right? It's deja vu all over again.. (PS - Don't bump that please. lol)
I am a noob, and I know I will never be as experienced as other developers.
That is why I do not develop ROMs, and develop things I am good at.