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Just wondering if anyone is using Droid Swap and has seen any increase in speed on their device ?
I have tried it out intermittently, but am not sure if it is adding to past reboot issues.
grifforama said:
Just wondering if anyone is using Droid Swap and has seen any increase in speed on their device ?
I have tried it out intermittently, but am not sure if it is adding to past reboot issues.
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Honestly, I have never used Droid Swap.
However, I got a new SD card this week and didn't partition it for Apps2SD. I have found that my phone is a million times for reliable. That thing where the phone goes to sleep and END won't wake it back up? Gone away.
After all of the initial force closes from apps not being there any more, i had to wipe and reflash my rom, but everything is SO much better with out Apps2SD.
Kcarpenter said:
Honestly, I have never used Droid Swap.
However, I got a new SD card this week and didn't partition it for Apps2SD. I have found that my phone is a million times for reliable. That thing where the phone goes to sleep and END won't wake it back up? Gone away.
After all of the initial force closes from apps not being there any more, i had to wipe and reflash my rom, but everything is SO much better with out Apps2SD.
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QFT.
My phone is 1000 times more stable without apps2sd
abcdfv said:
QFT.
My phone is 1000 times more stable without apps2sd
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*Shows his forum ignorance*
What the heck is QFT? lol.
Sorry this is the only forum I regular.
QFT = Quite F****** True
So is that why my phone keeps acting flaky? Apps2SD ... I knew some people had expressed concerns about it but I never associated my issues with it. I'm not overly worried about it I guess. I'd rather have all the apps I have on my phone and deal with the occasional reboot or FC.
I personally have not had any problems with FC or reboots with app2sd running
setaside said:
QFT = Quite F****** True
So is that why my phone keeps acting flaky? Apps2SD ... I knew some people had expressed concerns about it but I never associated my issues with it. I'm not overly worried about it I guess. I'd rather have all the apps I have on my phone and deal with the occasional reboot or FC.
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I don't carry around enough apps to bother with it. Thought it was cool at first though.
I have discovered if I don't need it very often I can go to the market just as easy and get it quick.
I do keep the life or death apps on my phone..Facebook. MiKandi, those things.
setaside said:
QFT = Quite F****** True
So is that why my phone keeps acting flaky? Apps2SD ... I knew some people had expressed concerns about it but I never associated my issues with it. I'm not overly worried about it I guess. I'd rather have all the apps I have on my phone and deal with the occasional reboot or FC.
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QFT - Quoted for Truth
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QFT - Quoted for Truth
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hehe, years ago in my forum noobness, I always thought it meant "quit f**king talking." Sometimes it made sense, but other times I was just wondering "wtf did he say that was so bad?"
Forums are so much more interesting when you have to make up your own definitions for acronyms.
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QFT - Quoted for Truth
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Heh, I guess that says something about the circles we run in. Fortunately, we all end up at the same place ... XDA.
grifforama said:
Just wondering if anyone is using Droid Swap and has seen any increase in speed on their device ?
I have tried it out intermittently, but am not sure if it is adding to past reboot issues.
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I use Swapper (same as DroidSwap for all intensive purposes...except that someone took Swapper off the Marketplace). I have a 64MB linux swap partition.
It doesn't work that great if you let it create a swap file on your SD Card, but if you let it initialize your swap partition, it works great. Swap file size is the key. 32MB for casual use, 64MB for heavy use. Anything above 64MB is too much swap space and your phone will slow down alot.
afazel said:
hehe, years ago in my forum noobness, I always thought it meant "quit f**king talking." Sometimes it made sense, but other times I was just wondering "wtf did he say that was so bad?"
Forums are so much more interesting when you have to make up your own definitions for acronyms.
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lol.that made me laugh man
I was fairly annoyed with the whole app issue for awhile, but even now, I barely use all of the apps I have.
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32MB for casual use, 64MB for heavy use. Anything above 64MB is too much swap space and your phone will slow down alot.
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Why would it slow down with more memory?
recently done
I rooted and themed droid 1 with a pl3x theme and it allowed me to move any app2sd and i did not have any lag problems.
I found that the theme installer actually had a .apk folder that it pulled all the apps to install during "instal zip from sd" on clockwork recovey. So i simply found all the .apks for every app i wanted and added them to the app folder in the update zip. When i installed the update and booted droid, every app was installed through the android system and no mb internal storage was used. My phone booted up with 260mb free of internal storage. Pretty sick. Instead of having to download every app from market and reduce myself to 190mb's again, this went nice with the 1.25ghz over clock.
But does anyone know of the app called swapper? Im trying to see if its worth messing with on a spare sd card? I dont know if apps are smart enough to know how to use the memory , or is the swapper smart enough to tell the apps its available. I say "tell" the apps because i dont know a better word.
Any chance to set up swap on non rooted phone? (for exmaple set up all things on card from pc, and then just mount it on the phone)
:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?
why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.
and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing
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:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?
why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.
and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing
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Just because you see it listed in a task manager doesn't mean it's running. You should check your task manager's documentation for details.
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.
btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful
Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.
This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.
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Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.
This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.
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It's called AutoStart but it won't prevent apps from showing up in task managers after startup.
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it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.
btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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no man, you reaaly need to chill.
you didnt have to post, you didnt have to read.
and definitely you dont have to be rude.
then your argument.. uninstall. yeah right, its not always possible if you're not rooted.
and im curious too. there doesnt seem to be a 'standard' when an app gets installed. sometimes they all get started at reboot, sometimes only some of them. I would be interested to know why as well.
Some of you guys are straight rude about this.
This drive me nutz too, the apps starting, so does the negativity on this forum.
# free before and after task killer:
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free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 349336 45732 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 349336 45732
# free
free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 259224 135844 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 259224 135844
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uansari1
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.
It is annoying, but it wont matter so much once we get the full 512MB of RAM available for use.
Until then you can use "Startup Auditor" (unfortunately not free) to find and disable startup apps. It works about 90% of the time...some disabled(and "keep disabled") apps still manage to start anyway.
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Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.
as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.
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And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.
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I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.
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man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.
as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.
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I totally understand that you want, and a few others, want to know why all this works the way it does. Again, this has all been covered ad nauseum in this forum, as well as the Dream, Magic, and Hero forums. The apps themselves have been written by the developers to automatically open. That's why when you start up any Android phone, some apps will be running. So again, one last time, this is normal behavior for Android.
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I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.
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uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?
i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.
if you can't help, leave.
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uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?
i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.
if you can't help, leave.
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I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.
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I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.
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I don't think the Amazon app has a developer lol, well not that anyone can contact. Don't know for sure though, ~.~.
And I thought the Nexus one didn't close apps now because it has more free RAM, or something (I'm only 14 here, not yet very educated in this), unlike previous Android phones that had to conserve their resources in order to stay stable. Apps will not close until the phone reaches a limit in which it cannot handle caching the apps. I'm just repeating, but isn't this to answer to the question?
It has been said quite much, especially if I remember it.. (and if I'm correct, that is)
Incorrect. Android, regardless of how much RAM it has, will keep applications in memory until an active process requires more memory than is available. This can be a new application being launched or an active application/service that needs more memory.
Freeing memory by killing applications is not likely to speed up the phone. You may get a slight boost in launch speed if memory is full to the point that applications need to be deallocated from memory but not otherwise.
To actually understand why I say this you need to understand a bit about how an android application really works. This is an over generalization but an android application is basically made up of 2 components Activities and Services. The principal activity for an application is what you would see in the "applications" tab. An activity that is not in the foreground is not using CPU. If an application wants to do any work when the activity is not in the foreground it needs to spawn a service. A service can continue to use CPU and potentially allocate more memory while the main activity is not in the foreground. Services would be listed in the "processes" tab of Advanced Task Manager.
So if you kill an "application" without killing any services associated with it then you in reality have not done much. Taking as an example if you kill the "Amazon MP3" application without also killing the "MP3 store" you have in actuality accomplished very little. The google IM application actually spawns multiple services "IM" and "Google Talk Service". I want to stress this. If an application that has not gone rogue is using CPU it is not likely to be the Activity but an underlying service. It gets a little more complicated since not all applications behave as they should but everything in the stock install is safe from this standpoint.
Now onto the second half, and if you are still reading at this point thanks. Any application can request permission to recieve the event of boot completion. Typically this is done to start some background service. So if an application other than the default set starts at bootup it is because you clicked ok to its permission to do so. You are sort of limited in what you can do about the default applications, about the only way I could think of to "prevent" start up would be to create an application to let it all start up then kill whichever apps you deem objectionable. At a guess that is how your start up application works. It might be possible to intercept the boot up complete broadcast but if you can I am not aware of how. A broadcast by definition is supposed to go to all broadcast receivers configured to listen for it. The default set of applications were chosen to start with deliberation and are unlikely to cause any problems. If you launch sufficient apps to necessitate their closing they will close and not cause problems.
The TLDR version. So many apps start at boot up because they asked to be, and in the case of any app you install, because you gave permission for them to start.
@JanetPanic
Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.
It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).
You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.
I hope everyone takes not.
This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.
Contribute. Participate. Discuss.
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@JanetPanic
Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.
It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).
You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.
I hope everyone takes not.
This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.
Contribute. Participate. Discuss.
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+1 thanks Janet.
I knew the first part (which I tried to explain to uansari1 with no success), but I didnt know the details of the boot process.
very much appreciated!
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Hey guys,
I'm coming from the G1 forum and have lots of experience loading and tweaking ROMs on the G1. Unfortunately my beloved G1 took a header off the roof of my SUV while doing about 70MPH on I-95, so alas, it is history!
Just ordered an Epic 4G to replace the G1. My question is, the main reason I rooted my G1 and got so involved in loading, testing and tweaking ROMs is that I wanted a seven-screen launcher and needed Apps2ext in order to load about 45 apps from the Android Market. It looks like the stock Epic launcher supports seven screens out of the box, I just don't know the internal memory capacity (how many apps it can typically hold).
Can anyone comment on the number of apps that the stock Epic 4G can handle? If I can load 40-50 apps then I may just skip the whole rooting thing and stick with the stock Android OS.
Thanks!
Chris R.
i can't personally answer how many apps, but reading and learning, I have seen many, many with over that number listed.
I personally have 24 with using 99.63 mb of available 498mb. And sd card untouched, so I have had no problem.
FYI, I am not a wiz, but have hacked Windows, Palm, the Hero, and have always considered it a challenge. But I have always needed to.
I did root, using One Click method, only because I wanted Wireless Tether. This phone is so customizable, that I am leaving along, waiting for Froyo. And I actually like TouchWiz, the colors, and the animations.
Its also nice doing no maintenance!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey thanks! Those numbers are exactly the info I was looking for! If you've got 498Mb avaialble on the data partition then I should be able to load a ton of apps without having to worry about a low memory condition! On the G1 you _had_ to root to get Apps2ext in order to be able to load, say, more than 20 apps, there just wasn't enough space.. and yes, no one will be happier than my wife if I have a phone that I don't have to root and spend hours and hours tweaking ROMs and settings trying to get the device to support 7 screens loaded with widgets and my 45 apps! I'm just as happy to have something that just gets OTA updates if the performace is good with the stock ROM.
Thanks again for your reply!
Chris R.
nmoreman said:
i can't personally answer how many apps, but reading and learning, I have seen many, many with over that number listed.
I personally have 24 with using 99.63 mb of available 498mb. And sd card untouched, so I have had no problem.
FYI, I am not a wiz, but have hacked Windows, Palm, the Hero, and have always considered it a challenge. But I have always needed to.
I did root, using One Click method, only because I wanted Wireless Tether. This phone is so customizable, that I am leaving along, waiting for Froyo. And I actually like TouchWiz, the colors, and the animations.
Its also nice doing no maintenance!!!!!!!!!!!
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How were you able to set up wireless tether after root?
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How were you able to set up wireless tether after root?
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Once you're rooted, download "Wireless Tether" from the market.
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I have over 100 apps installed with plenty of free space (about 120MB-ish)
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You don't honest *have* to root the Epic, but I considered it necessary because I hate even LOOKING at bloatware apps. Knowing they couldn't be removed without root was what made me root it the 2nd day!
The Asphalt demo was the worst because it takes up a decent amount of memory, and ITS ONLY A 5 MINUTE DEMO. :\ Also, I never once had any inclination to open or use the Sprint sports and Nascar apps so I didn't want to have them sitting around taking up precious space.
Currently on my Epic i have about 120 apps installed on it, and quite a few of them are larger games and apps! Pretty good if you ask me! You couldn't get that many on there without rooting but the allotted amount is still very decent!
Coming from a Nexus my only question about the epic is where's all the RAM?!
The nexus had 512mb too and I had almost 300mb free on boot. This thing is in the 100s and drops to 50ish after a few apps loaded! What's up with that?
Yea I came from a nexus too, and sorda wonder same thing. But I can say dk17 ran snappier than the nexus... but froyo is now slower and laggier than the nexus...
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Welcome to bloatware. That is why we all want asop. With all the junk sprint loads on the phone even if you do not use it has a damn service running in the backround. Take a look. Download autokiller if you have root and set it to the 150 range and that will keep your ram in that range speeding up the phone.
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no, it's because not all of the 512mb in the epic is system ram
don't know the exact numbers, but there is also shared vram and stuff like that using the 512mb
I am wondering the same.I am always in the 50s
Every time I am on the browser, and switch over to a text
Or even press home, I tap on the browswer and it has to reload all over again.
Lame that it doesn't stay in memory.
My evo did not suffer from this.
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no, it's because not all of the 512mb in the epic is system ram
don't know the exact numbers, but there is also shared vram and stuff like that using the 512mb
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Hmm ya I was wondering that... but even the Nexus had that with the stock rom. I'm not sure if it was kernel optimizations or just the simple fact of the extra process running.
Even if you kill al processes it still doesn't go anywhere near where the nexus with compiled roms.
anyone have any luck porting cyanogen's codebase? I saw a few threads on it but sounded to me like the project was dead
Is there a way to edit the allocation of the 512MB of RAM? There must be a way to give more to the system.
When official froyo is released, I want to start a thread that deals with the Running Services, what they do, and what the ramifications are for each one if its stopped and disabled from running. I have a feeling that a lot of these running services do not need to be running. CM_Service, the voicemail service, is one example.
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Is there a way to edit the allocation of the 512MB of RAM? There must be a way to give more to the system.
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Pretty sure the allocation is handled at the kernel level so stopping services and crap will never achieve the total ram if it isn't compiled properly.
Hey everyone, some people are claiming that the latest update (the one after Lollipop) either fixed or drastically improved the memory management problems. If you recieved the update, can you share your experience with us?
I saw some threads about the RAM issue, but none regarding the update, so I decided to create this one. Looking forward for the answers.
I updated vía OTA file. It does improve memory management in my opinion, but i think it's not fully fixed. It closes apps sometimes. But its way better thsn before the update
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I updated vía OTA file. It does improve memory management in my opinion, but i think it's not fully fixed. It closes apps sometimes. But its way better thsn before the update
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Did you perform a factory reset after the update like some users recommend?
Yes it has been Improved,even after installing a lots of apps including Facebook,messenger,whatsapp,battery doctor,truecaller,gravity screen etc i am getting around 400-350 MB ram free...
Apps installed in Internet or external memory not in ram main point is when you get 350+ram this these are running in background?
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Yes it has been Improved,even after installing a lots of apps including Facebook,messenger,whatsapp,battery doctor,truecaller,gravity screen etc i am getting around 400-350 MB ram free...
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At what point do apps start getting killed? Can you post a screenshot to show us your RAM usage?
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At what point do apps start getting killed? Can you post a screenshot to show us your RAM usage?
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Only one app is there which I have seen automatically killed i.e. Google play music. Even on KitKat only this app was getting killed automatically, on any other app I didn't faced this kind of problem.I am also using KitKat developed by android x86 project on my dell laptop which has 3GB ram, even on that play music gets killed automatically.
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Here's the screenshot
Memory management is much improved, but it still isn't entirely fixed.
I don't understand why people want so much free memory though. Do you guys realize that excessive free memory had a direct correlation to your apps to closing? You want as much memory used as possible while leaving just enough free to load new applications.
mcnutty said:
Memory management is much improved, but it still isn't entirely fixed.
I don't understand why people want so much free memory though.
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Yes, you do. What I don't understand is how Motorola sift through all the bull**** from people who have no idea how memory managent works under linux/android in order to decide whether the thresholds really are too aggressive or not.
mcnutty said:
Memory management is much improved, but it still isn't entirely fixed.
I don't understand why people want so much free memory though. Do you guys realize that excessive free memory had a direct correlation to your apps to closing? You want as much memory used as possible while leaving just enough free to load new applications.
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I don't think people really want tons of free RAM, they were just trying to avoid reaching the threshold (before the update). Apps on the foreground were simply getting killed even though there was a good amount of free RAM left, therefore people were leaving more free RAM available to avoid things like this, even though free RAM is useless.
By the way, thanks everyone for their replies so far
mpeL said:
I don't think people really want tons of free RAM, they were just trying to avoid reaching the threshold (before the update). Apps on the foreground were simply getting killed even though there was a good amount of free RAM left, therefore people were leaving more free RAM available to avoid things like this, even though free RAM is useless.
By the way, thanks everyone for their replies so far
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Free RAM is "headroom", it is not useless. Imagine trying to prepare a multi-course meal on a kitchen worktop with no free space to spread out and work (the worktop is an analogy to RAM) - having room to move is a MUST. That's basic programming knowledge - always dealloc (release RAM) when you're done with it.
gnubash said:
Free RAM is "headroom", it is not useless. Imagine trying to prepare a multi-course meal on a kitchen worktop with no free space to spread out and work (the worktop is an analogy to RAM) - having room to move is a MUST. That's basic programming knowledge - always dealloc (release RAM) when you're done with it.
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And at the application level, Android decides which app you're most done with and kills the process, yeah... But caching when possible obviously improves performance and reduces power usage. People complaining that they only have 300MB of RAM free instead of 400MB should just go and buy a phone that is excessively powerful for their needs, lol.
rufflove said:
And at the application level, Android decides which app you're most done with and kills the process, yeah... But caching when possible obviously improves performance and reduces power usage. People complaining that they only have 300MB of RAM free instead of 400MB should just go and buy a phone that is excessively powerful for their needs, lol.
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I think Google need to investigate RAM compression, such as Apple do in Mac OS X now.
Memory management has definitely improved IMO. Less apps get killed, plus little or no reloading on chrome, so all in all, I'm reasonably satisfied with the update. But I think Motorola can even do better
Btw here's an article on the free RAM is wasted RAM issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20163493&postcount=6695
Pretty insightful, to say the least.
mahendru1992 said:
Memory management has definitely improved IMO. Less apps get killed, plus little or no reloading on chrome, so all in all, I'm reasonably satisfied with the update. But I think Motorola can even do better
Btw here's an article on the free RAM is wasted RAM issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20163493&postcount=6695
Pretty insightful, to say the least.
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That "article" is just another XDA link. With respect, I'd like to see a credible article, not one from XDA itself. The author isn't even capable of basic, coherent grammar; if he can make mistakes at such a primitive level, SO early in the "article", I'll pass, thanks.
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That "article" is just another XDA link. With respect, I'd like to see a credible article, not one from XDA itself. The author isn't even capable of basic, coherent grammar; if he can make mistakes at such a primitive level, SO early in the "article", I'll pass, thanks.
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Judgmental much, and that too based on the level of english. Way to go.
lol, dude this guy is a respectable developer here on XDA. He sure know more than you do.
Oh and how about you answer my question on your troll post first.
mahendru1992 said:
Judgmental much, and that too based on the level of english. Way to go.
lol, dude this guy is a respectable developer here on XDA. He sure know more than you do.
Oh and how about you answer my question on your troll post first.
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"He sure know more than you do"
How can any one person know who "knows more" than another person, least of all a stranger? We all have different and unique levels of knowledge, over hugely vast and varying fields of interest.
I come to XDA to grab things I need, not for intelligent discussion, and you're serving to further affirm that decision is a rational one.
Bah, you're probably 15 years old... why am I trying to reason with you? :laugh:
mahendru1992 said:
Judgmental much, and that too based on the level of english. Way to go.
lol, dude this guy is a respectable developer here on XDA. He sure know more than you do.
Oh and how about you answer my question on your troll post first.
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Jeeeez dude
Simmer down. The escalation in the tone of your opinion is way too steep :silly:
Try to maintain a level of tolerance before blarting out
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was just pointing out that users wanted to have more free RAM because apps were getting killed when RAM was below ~150MB.
Also, please stop this useless argument you guys are having, ofending which other won't help at all.