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sdk for non intel mac

i went to finally get the sdk for my imac,then i realized its only available for intel based macs.is there anything i can do

boydroid said:
i went to finally get the sdk for my imac,then i realized its only available for intel based macs.is there anything i can do
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Join up with the year 2000.

That MAC has been good to me so not gonna happen...how about a answer that might actually help
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boydroid said:
That MAC has been good to me so not gonna happen...how about a answer that might actually help
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ok first of all, why are you talking about a media access control? it's not relevant to this discussion about macs. second, you need to get a new mac. the mac minis are great and are only about 600 bucks. you have an incompatible computer. incompatible computer is incompatible.

boydroid said:
That MAC has been good to me so not gonna happen...how about a answer that might actually help
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That is the ONLY answer that's gonna help you.
Unless you manage to get Google to write an SDK for PPC.

If you figger out how to install Linux on your system, it would work that way.

illogic6 said:
If you figger out how to install Linux on your system, it would work that way.
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So, it wouldn't.
The Linux SDK is still x86 only.

Yet again Apple efs its customer base
You could possibly get away with some kind of Virtual Machine, but I have a feeling vbox won't run on your architecture either.
And $600 is WAY to much to pay for a Mini.
Hell buy a $200 netbook and install Ubuntu with a Mac theme - you can't tell a difference other than the awesome that is radiated from a Linux machine VS a mac - unless you are just a linux guy and know how it works...then you could tell a difference....ok so there are some differences...but buy a white HP netbook and slap one of those Apple stickers they give you with an IPod on it...then you cant tell a difference....well you still could but its getting arguable then.
This is why the only apple product I will ever own is my 160gig Ipod classic - and when it dies Ill just build a new EEE PC for my car.

only reason i use a mac is because i need software such as final cut pro and aperture which are not found on windows or linux.

There's no way to use the SDK on a PPC Mac without reengineering the whole thing from scratch. The PPC is a big-endian processor, and x86 is little-endian, so your byte-ordering and structure sizes are different. If you've ever delved into cross-platform compiling (OpenWRT is a good example), you know that's its a major PITA. I've adapted a few small pieces of C code to successfully compile on PPC, and its no joy.
You're going to be SOOL on the virtualization front as well. There was a version of VirtualPC years ago that performed software x86 emulation on the PPC platform, but performance was abysmal even running Win98 on my Dual G5. I doubt that a modern Windows OS would even run at all. None of the current virtualization products will run on the PPC platform, as they all tie in to hardware virtualization support at some level (processor extensions or otherwise).
I truly feel your pain in this situation. I have a Dual G5 Power Mac that's still humming along happy as can be, but I can't run any current software on it. My iBook G4 isn't quite as happy these days, but is still 100% functional. Next to my G5, I have a cheapo Dell that I finally broke down and bought to power-up when I need to run x86 stuff. I recently picked up a used MacBook Pro, and WOW I can't believe what I was missing out on. The performance is night and day better than my G5, and all current software runs on it beautifully. With VMware Fusion installed, it can do anything I need. I hate to say it, but you need to upgrade.

well i got my answer,i guess a new mac purchase is a must...i have never used a windows pc so definately not going that route,question can i buy a pc with linux preinstalled on it...if that was possible i would like to learn to use it

boydroid said:
well i got my answer,i guess a new mac purchase is a must...i have never used a windows pc so definately not going that route,question can i buy a pc with linux preinstalled on it...if that was possible i would like to learn to use it
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There are some sites that sell computers with Linux pre-installed.
Here's one:
http://linuxpreloaded.com/

abcdfv said:
There are some sites that sell computers with Linux pre-installed.
Here's one:
http://linuxpreloaded.com/
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thanks,ill start looking

boydroid said:
thanks,ill start looking
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Probably what you're gonna want to do first is ask yourself:
"What do I use my computer for"
There are some Linux distributions specifically designed to work as media servers, as video/image manipulation stations, and basically just about any specialization you can imagine.
If you're answer is
"I just want to use it"
Chances are Ubuntu or Mint is the way to go.
If your answer is
"MUST HAVE THE FASTEST NO MATTER WHAT"
A Gentoo based distro is the way to go.

Windows 8

Will there be a Windows 8 effort for this tablet since the developer preview is out?

I don't recall seeing an arm version for download... so I doubt it so far
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According to this, it'll support ARM.
http://www.windows8news.com/2011/01/05/windows-8-arm-press-release-microsoft/

agentfazexx said:
According to this, it'll support ARM.
http://www.windows8news.com/2011/01/05/windows-8-arm-press-release-microsoft/
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While it will support ARM, no developer preview of the ARM OS has been released as of yet.

Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.

ctiger said:
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
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The ARM version will not be the exact same version as what will be running on the X86 platform.
If you'd care to educate yourself about the many different ARM procs that it will run on, have a look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon

Short answer, no. Long answer, see above.

kjy2010 said:
The ARM version will not be the exact same version as what will be running on the X86 platform.
If you'd care to educate yourself about the many different ARM procs that it will run on, have a look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
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Good to know. Thanks man.

I'd like to point out if this were done none of the software you have now for windows will not work since mostly have no support for arm processor.
I know I know I have wet dreams myself thinking about walking about playing starcraft 2 and valve games

BrianDigital said:
I'd like to point out if this were done none of the software you have now for windows will not work since mostly have no support for arm processor.
I know I know I have wet dreams myself thinking about walking about playing starcraft 2 and valve games
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Hahahaha so do I. I guess VDI will have to do...

agentfazexx said:
Hahahaha so do I. I guess VDI will have to do...
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Vdi?
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First its said that windows 8 will be able to run on as little as 128mb. And why would you want to replace the Android OS with anything by Microsoft??
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ctiger said:
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
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BrianDigital said:
Vdi?
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Google it. It's a VMware technology.
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First its said that windows 8 will be able to run on as little as 128mb. And why would you want to replace the Android OS with anything by Microsoft??
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Microsoft is a standard.

agentfazexx said:
Microsoft is a standard.
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Microsoft is a big standard in the PC World, in the phone and tablet world, not so much. Android is more of a standard bearer in those two worlds than Windows is; at least for now.

dscribe said:
Microsoft is a big standard in the PC World, in the phone and tablet world, not so much. Android is more of a standard bearer in those two worlds than Windows is; at least for now.
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Well tablets are becoming the new laptops.

agentfazexx said:
Well tablets are becoming the new laptops.
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To some degree you are right. And Microsoft finds itself behind on this platform trying to play catch-up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Microsoft basher like some, but Android has a major head-start in this field so far.

dscribe said:
To some degree you are right. And Microsoft finds itself behind on this platform trying to play catch-up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Microsoft basher like some, but Android has a major head-start in this field so far.
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Yes, Google has somewhat of a head start in the mobile market, however Microsoft has a head start in the OS market. They'll catch up soon enough.

agentfazexx said:
Yes, Google has somewhat of a head start in the mobile market, however Microsoft has a head start in the OS market. They'll catch up soon enough.
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Maybe. They were several years ahead of android in the phone market but they are behind there also. We shall see.

Two years ago, the whole computer world has only one software giant, Microsoft, which is the only OS provider, and they know they are the only one. That's monopoly. Even with the phone OS war between Apple and Google fired up so much, it's just some toys to Microsoft's eye, they acted slowly, not want to dump their WinMo 6.5 directly and work on something new, or improve Winmo quickly enough to catch up in the mobile OS market. But all of a sudden, Apple jumped to tablet world, and started to offer something that's simple enough to use and can take place of PC in some leisure use in many household. And now Microsoft can't sit tight, because this directly threaten the core business of Windows. This brought down the price of PC, especially the laptop price, to compete with the new comer, and who benefits? all the consumers.
But if you use the Android, or iOS tablets, you will find it's limited. I can understand that they are still evolving, but the limitation is clear. Some very simple tasks on PC or laptop, became such a headache, impossible mission on Android. I have some excel docs on Google doc, I downloaded the app Google doc, but can't figure out how to copy the whole line, then paste it, and change several fields, instead, in the app, I'll have to copy single field, or edit one by one. I have a lot fields in the line repeated, format the same... So it will be much easier to just copy paste.
After the time, I definitely find the use of a simple Tab, just to view content, but I still dream of having a powerful enough Tab that actually can take over the laptop, isn't that the ultimate goal of the mobile device? So we can plug in a monitor and a keyboard/mouse set, and it will do what my laptop does? We will still have a long way to go. I also hope Google is going that way, otherwise, this windows 8 will soon take over, because many of us have such a desire, and we will go to windows 8 if it can work like that.

ctiger said:
Two years ago, the whole computer world has only one software giant, Microsoft, which is the only OS provider, and they know they are the only one. That's monopoly. Even with the phone OS war between Apple and Google fired up so much, it's just some toys to Microsoft's eye, they acted slowly, not want to dump their WinMo 6.5 directly and work on something new, or improve Winmo quickly enough to catch up in the mobile OS market. But all of a sudden, Apple jumped to tablet world, and started to offer something that's simple enough to use and can take place of PC in some leisure use in many household. And now Microsoft can't sit tight, because this directly threaten the core business of Windows. This brought down the price of PC, especially the laptop price, to compete with the new comer, and who benefits? all the consumers.
But if you use the Android, or iOS tablets, you will find it's limited. I can understand that they are still evolving, but the limitation is clear. Some very simple tasks on PC or laptop, became such a headache, impossible mission on Android. I have some excel docs on Google doc, I downloaded the app Google doc, but can't figure out how to copy the whole line, then paste it, and change several fields, instead, in the app, I'll have to copy single field, or edit one by one. I have a lot fields in the line repeated, format the same... So it will be much easier to just copy paste.
After the time, I definitely find the use of a simple Tab, just to view content, but I still dream of having a powerful enough Tab that actually can take over the laptop, isn't that the ultimate goal of the mobile device? So we can plug in a monitor and a keyboard/mouse set, and it will do what my laptop does? We will still have a long way to go. I also hope Google is going that way, otherwise, this windows 8 will soon take over, because many of us have such a desire, and we will go to windows 8 if it can work like that.
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Dude the monopoly wars are over too. There is no tech monopoly. Everyone has competition.

[Q] Visual Studios running on a Nokia 920?

Can this be done?
Could you install Windows 8 instead of Windows Phone 8 on a Nokia 920?
No can do on a Nokia 920? Will there be a smartphone that will have the hardware required by Windows 8 to make this possible?
I do understand that using some actual windows applications on a phone will be tedious and sometimes difficult. Its more a "Can and could if I wanted to" kind of thing for me.
BUT
Having Visual Studios, Win SCP and a lot of other software linked to the always on 4g internet...
in my pocket....
always available...
in that ooohhh so sexy red
I can't wait for that phone...
I have been able to do most of what I need to on my Samsung Vibrant. ES File Explorer has an AWESOME ftp option (and LAN!!)
But the screen is WAY to small to have code visible and a keyboard. Remote desktop has its obvious drawbacks, but I've used it.
Any thoughts questions of comments?
Thanks for reading my babble =P
Nick

ahhh, here comes the confusion from Microsoft's naming scheme....

NJDubois said:
Can this be done?
Could you install Windows 8 instead of Windows Phone 8 on a Nokia 920?
No can do on a Nokia 920? Will there be a smartphone that will have the hardware required by Windows 8 to make this possible?
I do understand that using some actual windows applications on a phone will be tedious and sometimes difficult. Its more a "Can and could if I wanted to" kind of thing for me.
Having Visual Studios, Win SCP and a lot of other software linked to the always on 4g internet...
I have been able to do most of what I need to on my Samsung Vibrant. ES File Explorer has an AWESOME ftp option (and LAN!!)
But the screen is WAY to small to have code visible and a keyboard. Remote desktop has its obvious drawbacks, but I've used it.
Nick
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No. There's no desktop on win phone 8. The ARM version won't support VS, even on tablets, though you won't be able to install it. Windows 8 RT(ARM) will only be available preinstalled on tablets.
If you've been satisfied with Android, and use features like a file explorer, keep in mind that many will NOT be available on win pho 8. If your existing phone is too small, consider the Galaxy S 3, Note, or other larger phones that are available on the market.

That's a shame! I had hopes that this would some how be possible.
Not even a modded version?
I have been following phone news like mad for 2 years. Pretty much since I got my vibrant. The S3 is AMAZING, but its android. There are things that I don't like about android, mainly fragmentation and its on going war with Apple.
I have had enough bad experiences with Android, for example :
1/3 into my 2 year contract with tmo and my Vibrant's USB port got water damage and I couldn't ODIN back to stock to install newer versions of Android. Also couldn't get the device fixed. Luckily I was able to do a factory reset every month or so as android just got useless. Frozen up at the unlock screen happens ALL the time, and usually happens with in a minute of reboot and isn't fixed until I do a reset. This didn't happen all the time, but always when I needed the device the most. For example, you have to reboot the device to get the GPS working after turning the option on, and of course BAM, phone keeps locking up. There has been times where I couldn't get to the dial a phone number screen, couldn't get visual voicemail to work and had a very important voice mail to check. took me 30 minutes to hear a 1 minute message! Than the time I was up till 8 am trying to get the phone to work because it was my only alarm clock and I couldn't get to the screen where I changed the time the alarm went off. All these issues are a result of having to root and mod my phone to get a newer maybe more secure version of android. I don't see a windows device having these problems.
Also, I am not a huge fan of Apple, but Apple has set itself up to deliver more complete experience's because of the control they have over there ecosystem. Apple TV's printers networks scanners and all that other stuff will just work with their phone. Well, I've been a user of windows for 15 years. Its what I know. I've been a windows developer for those 15 years. I don't see Google being able to provide that full functionality, I am not a fan of apple at all, and I think that Microsoft can get closer than Google. As it is, there isn't many devices you can plug into a windows system that windows wont be able to just start using. You know, this isn't windows 98 and older video games I'm trying to run.... lol
It really will be a shame if there is no way to get the desktop environment on my smartphone. Even more a shame when I could probably get a device compatible with Ubuntu's mobile stuff, and all the goodies that come with that. Wine, and now even Steam!
I don't know if this news sways my opinion of Windows Phone 8. I still crave the 920. My plan is to go out on Black Friday and get a top of the line device with full insurance for as cheap as possible. My next 2 years are not going to be a repeat of my first 2 years with a smartphone. November is still a few months off, and there is plenty of timed for other devices. Maybe even a decent smartphone with a Qwerty keyboard!!
I realize this post has kinda dragged on... sorry! And thanks for the replies!
[EDIT] The note is a great idea, but absolutely not an option. Douchtooths are the bane of my existence. And if I can't FTP into a server on a windows phone, why is Microsoft even bothering?
Nick

I have to say that it's unfortunate that you haven't had good experiences with android. I would think that the many devs on this site would have cooked up something that would fit your needs better, but if you broke your USB, then I guess you're kind of stuck with what you got. It's definitely true that android is very rough, especially with stock roms.
Win pho is there because it's targeting a different segment now. Win pho used to be something that was there to provide a feature rich experience. After WP7, "metro" looks
and interface idiot proofing has taken higher priority over actual functionality. As it is now WP8 has the least functionality when compared to Android and iOS, though it is supposed to be the easiest to use.
I would personally wait until a while after the lumias come out, and make sure that they do what you want before buying them. There are stories of people who bought WP7 phones thinking that they would have the features of WP 6.5. Those are stories of some very, very dissatisfied customers.
P.S.
No WINE on ARM ever. Remember, Wine Is Not an Emulator.

What about Ubuntu for Android

All the threads I read are for Ubuntu for phone, anyone interested about Ubuntu for android? I'll give a try to Ubuntu for phone, but I'm really happy with what android offers... but now I think Ubuntu for android is really cool... Is like to have best OS for the phone, and at the same time best OS at all times on the phone.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

There is definitely some huge potential with this idea although it is not the first time we have seen this, Motorola attempted something similar but I always felt as though the phones were not ready yet and the desktop environment was not only slow but lacked any compatibility. If Ubuntu runs well on an android phone as a desktop I will gladly buy into it and probably use it to replace my laptop and maybe someday my desktop especially now that Steam is coming to Ubuntu. This is the next logical step in the computing world as our phones become increasingly more powerful and have begun to rival laptops, I just hope Ubuntu is able to execute it well.

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There is definitely some huge potential with this idea although it is not the first time we have seen this, Motorola attempted something similar but I always felt as though the phones were not ready yet and the desktop environment was not only slow but lacked any compatibility. If Ubuntu runs well on an android phone as a desktop I will gladly buy into it and probably use it to replace my laptop and maybe someday my desktop especially now that Steam is coming to Ubuntu. This is the next logical step in the computing world as our phones become increasingly more powerful and have begun to rival laptops, I just hope Ubuntu is able to execute it well.
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Great point and there's so much more to this if we think about it. Enterprise is evolving rather interestingly into mobility served by very centralized environments. BYOD is becoming a very prevalent argument in the professional workplace.
Until recently, management of that extremely mobile environment consisted of attempts at integrating BlackBerry, iOS, and Android into an arena where Microsoft is the 500 pound gorilla. From a business continuity stance, BlackBerry has been the safest and more secure (not capable) solution out there. Who knows how much longer RIM will be around. Microsoft just introduced that gorilla's corn-fed son named Windows 8.
Most businesses will put a W8 transition off for some time due to it's very "touchy" differences. The funny part being that they ask about integrating Android tablets or iPads as a 3 year plan. Once the hype settles, the realization of a full OS with REAL management possibilities on a mobile device will become rather ideal to CIO's and IT Admins looking to move to that step and beyond with the idea of BYOD as a viable/more secure option, now.
Enter Ubuntu. How many businesses are running iOS or Android in their data center? These are catered to the consumer segment where the perpetual "duking out" between Mac and Google has completely squashed BlackBerry to a point that 10th graders probably have no idea what a bunch of "old fogey" college juniors poke fun at while bragging about being a developer because they flashed CM10 via ROM Manager last week.
Ubuntu's focus should be on Windows! The ability to offer a rivaling suite edges both Google and Mac further away from the complete enterprise solution discussion and positions Canonical right next to Microsoft. . . without all the crazy licensing!!!
All in all, the final words in my mind are: Prime Opportunity
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I've seen sites report that its still being developed along side Ubuntu phone, probably an easy way to convert android users over.

Midnitte said:
I've seen sites report that its still being developed along side Ubuntu phone, probably an easy way to convert android users over.
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ugh. . . can't believe I missed the distinction between the two offerings. I was leaning more toward the "Ubuntu for phone" development.
Regardless, I think this is a great step and you're probably right, Midnitte. I'm just waiting for someone to get it running on my old HeroC!!!
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There is definitely some huge potential with this idea although it is not the first time we have seen this, Motorola attempted something similar but I always felt as though the phones were not ready yet and the desktop environment was not only slow but lacked any compatibility. If Ubuntu runs well on an android phone as a desktop I will gladly buy into it and probably use it to replace my laptop and maybe someday my desktop especially now that Steam is coming to Ubuntu. This is the next logical step in the computing world as our phones become increasingly more powerful and have begun to rival laptops, I just hope Ubuntu is able to execute it well.
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Clearly you haven't seen the video of the guy from canonical showing off Ubuntu for android using a 1ghz phone from a year or two ago. It was running perfectly as Ubuntu when docked, and when he undocked, BAM. Android again. I'll see if I can find the vid again
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EDIT: here is the link. Not exactly the one I was looking for, but it works. It is a Motorola atrix 2, which is fairly old, and probably the exact phone you said " wasn't ready"
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY&desktop_uri=/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY

Why can't you use unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to load a linux distro onto your phone.
I did that before on my N9 with the mex distro. You just change the boot menu on the pc that you are going to hook up to so that it looks at the USB first for an OS before the hard disk. If I didn't want to run it I would wait until after the computer started to hook it up. The only thing is you have to remember to wait until after you start the computer if you don't want to run it and I kept habitually not waiting and accidentally starting the distro off of the phone and the other thing is you have to keep track of all the files and folders it installs on your phone so that if you decide to erase it you know what files and folders to erase and don't jack your phone up.
There is also Lili http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ which has "persistence" which means you can install/uninstall apps and add/delete data etc. and I see they have kubuntu on there and even meego 1.2.

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Why can't you use unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to load a linux distro onto your phone.
I did that before on my N9 with the mex distro. You just change the boot menu on the pc that you are going to hook up to so that it looks at the USB first for an OS before the hard disk. If I didn't want to run it I would wait until after the computer started to hook it up. The only thing is you have to remember to wait until after you start the computer if you don't want to run it and I kept habitually not waiting and accidentally starting the distro off of the phone and the other thing is you have to keep track of all the files and folders it installs on your phone so that if you decide to erase it you know what files and folders to erase and don't jack your phone up.
There is also Lili http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ which has "persistence" which means you can install/uninstall apps and add/delete data etc. and I see they have kubuntu on there and even meego 1.2.
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Because phones don't allow booting from media (except for special cases like the nook color, et al).

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Why can't you use unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to load a linux distro onto your phone.
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As long the bios on the target system recognizes the SD card through the usb attached phone in the boot menu..

reply 1^ Wait what? Are we on the same page here? Do you or don't you want to hook your phone up to a PC and make it boot up off of ubuntu that is on your phone? I was just doing that for about a month on my N9. Lili takes it even a step further and lets you install and uninstall apps and data that persist and also gives you virtualbox thrown in.
Reply 2^ What? That was too technical for me
Wait a second, are we talking about the same thing here? I'm talking about putting ubuntu on your phone and then you walk over to a PC and plug your phone in via usb and start the computer and it runs ubuntu from your phone. When you hook it up right after you turn the PC on pick mass storage mode when it pops up on your phone. Worked for me for a long time. I was walking around with mex 64 bit (ubuntu with 7 desktops to choose from) on my N9 and I would accidentally plug it into 32 bit computers at school (forgetting i had ubuntu 64 on my phone) before I turned them on and they would try to boot into mex 64 bit until i realized i was habitually plugging my phone into pc's before turning it on.

I don't understand what you guys are saying, I was just running around 2 months ago with 64bit ubuntu on my Nokia N9 plugging it into computers and making them boot up linux 64 bit from my N9 (provided the computer was a 64 bit and I went into the boot menu and changed it to look at the usb for an OS first).
You seem to not believe it for some reason. I'd make a video and put it up on youtube for you but I only have my N9 for video. I can't video my N9 with my N9.
I'm not that smart and I'm not that linux experienced at all but all you have to do is use unetbootin to install a linux distro (an iso image that you download, go ahead and pick any one you want) on to your phone in mass storage mode. Then just go into the boot menu of the PC you are targetting when you start it up and change the bootup priority to USB first.
Done.

I hear what you're saying; essentially Ubuntu on a stick... that's not what I thought Ubuntu for Android is/was supposed to be, though--from what I understood.
I had thought that Ubuntu for Android was supposed to be similar to the Ubuntu for phones experience, only with Android as the "desktop" experience on the handset. The phone is running Ubuntu 24/7, but when in the dock--think glorified KVM switch--you have full access to Ubuntu--using your phone as the source for the processing power, not just OS and file storage; unplug from the dock, and your handset reverts back to a "normal" Android handset...
...in your "on a stick" method, a PC is doing all the work, and the phone is just storage; the other way is equivocal to plugging a keyboard and monitor directly into the phone, and using it as the computer...
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That's not what I understood it to be. I thought it was just Lili since Lili has persistence plus a virtualbox so you can just load it without rebboting via a virtualbox.
Your phone is no different from a thumb drive in mass storage mode so you can load any linux distro on it and change the target pc boot priority to USB first.

I just checked the specs on the Raspberry Pi operating system. If that little computer can do all sorts of cool things with half the specs of a modern smart phone I'm sure the Ubuntu Devs will make the Ubuntu for Android wicked cool! Can't wait!
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I just checked the specs on the Raspberry Pi operating system. If that little computer can do all sorts of cool things with half the specs of a modern smart phone I'm sure the Ubuntu Devs will make the Ubuntu for Android wicked cool! Can't wait!
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It's not particularly good for running GUI stuff though.
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It's not particularly good for running GUI stuff though.
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Good point! I didn't think about that being an issue but it makes sense.
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It's not particularly good for running GUI stuff though.
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As an RPI owner, I can honestly say it isn't much of a desktop. It's ideal for a home media server, but it needs MUCH more RAM. 512MB still isn't cutting it. Honestly, mine is collecting dust.
Edit: Typo
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If it's usb storage, and its recognised by the pc without drivers then yes you can boot ubuntu from it.
Ubuntu for android is about running android on your device, then plugging your device into a dock that has a screen / keyboard / mouse and using ubuntu. Android would still bye running in the background to receive calls and stuff.
Ubuntu for phones is a phone running ubuntu, you make calls and texts from within ubuntu.
Hope this helps clear it up, please correct me if I'm mistaken :]
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Coming from Android (possibly)

I'm looking at the 950XL as it seems to have all the specs of the Nexus 6P but also includes USB 3.1, which is very important to me (I currently have a Note 3 which needs upgrading).
Project Astoria quite interests me; can you use any Android App with this, or just certain ones?
One thing I like about Android is the ability to flash ROMs; I don't think there's anything like this with Windows is there?
(Slightly dodgy topic to talk about) On Android I can just search for an app adding the word 'apk' on Google and download it for free. Is there anyway to do this on Windows?
I used to run Windows Mobile and before that Windows CE, before switching to Android

I just saw your question. Here is some of what I know. As of right now there is an app called 'bluestack' that allows you to run apks as if on android with google services this is a win 8 app though.
There are plus' and minus' here.
1. The feature that makes what you that interested in are win universal apps. That announced by MS is supposed to be repackaged Android apks and converted to universal apps. They then would use Windows services. (a minus or a plus depending on preferences)
2. Blue stack (and its alternatives)may need to be updated to a win 10 universal app. The biggest upside to the 950/xl are that dual booting maybe possible. And a full emulation is possible almost like having 2 phones in one. I say that because of how windows runs or promises to run. With win10 it should be a hackers/tinkerers/dev dream. Leading to more of the apps you may want to port over.
3. Porting maybe possible with the tools MS provide. You maybe able to repackage apks on your own into win10 universal apps.
4.this is the last thing. You maybe able to enjoy 3rd party win10 apps. There are alternatives to twitter for example on windows but no actual Twitter app which some say are better than Twitter's actual app. Also some reporters have said that microsoft are offer to build apps(official) for companies like Twitter and then hand it over to them and they then take over maintenance. But that hasn't worked so far.
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Many thanks for your reply. I've been reading a lot, trying to get my head around the new Windows Phone experience. It seems vastly different from what I used to have on my HTC HD2, which was my last Windows Phone.
One app I use a lot and I find useful is Truecaller, it tells you who's calling, even if you don't have their number in your phone. I presume this needs some sort of integration with the OS. I wonder if Project Astoria offers this level of integration.

My last windows phone was also the HD2 and I've used android ever since. I recently bought a lumia so I could try windows 10 preview. There are a couple of things I miss:
- the ability to transfer files to/from my NAS through WiFi without having to go through a pc
- swipe keyboard doesn't work in some places, eg works in messaging but not in browser
- android .nomedia facility
- banking - my bank is HSBC and they don't have a windows app
If the 950x windows 10 version fixes the first two of these then that will be my next phone.

My banking app also isnt on WP10.
I also like to use DOSbox to play old games on my phone.
Also Torque for hooking up to cars ECU via a bluetooth OBD2 reader.
No Starbucks app
I also use my LG Gwatch to receive notification on my wrist at work. As Im not allowed to get my phone, this is a very very handy feature for me.
I think I'm too invested in Android right now. I am a real Windows 10 Phone wannabe though. I wish I could afford both the Nexus 6P and Lumia 950XL.

Windows Lumia 950xl check every check in the box for what i want in a smartphone on the hardware side... But my issues is that i know that you can port apps over but how many official apps from ios and android made it to the windows store. Once they have app they will have me as a new consumer

https://youtu.be/P2wKJK5cr3M
https://youtu.be/Eu3EMS4dvv8
Look at these vids, they can give you an idea of what to expect with w10 mobile
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Hey folks,
I figured this thread would be a good place to ask since it already existed. A little background. I'm a heavily entrenched Android user since the Evo 4G days and have service with several telecoms and own several phones as well. I saw the new presentation and I was really impressed, however, I need some help to see if the switch is right for me.
1) I use Google Voice to manage all of my numbers and phones. I heard that Skype doesn't allow number Port In, however, does allow forwarding. Does anyone know if this is true? Why don't they allow number Port In? Is it coming in the future? Any creative solutions around this?
2) I don't own a P.C., so Continuum really intrigues me. I've always owned PlayStation and loved being able to stream my PlayStation to my Sony phones and play remotely. Would I be able to stream XBoxOne to my phone and use Continuum to play on a monitor? What about streaming to a T.V. for Netflix or other apps like that?
3) I'm really interested in turning my home "smart". I know that Android has a big IoT platform and it'll be great with NEST and the other things they have coming down the pipeline. What about Windows? Is there a platform available? What products support it? Can it all be phone controlled and do apps exist for them?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated as I'm sure there are others in my boat who might have similar questions.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/09/18/elephone-vowney-dual-boots-android-and-windows-10-for-299/
Guys i thought this may also be useful to keep in mind. There maybe a US compatible version at some point.
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UserDemos said:
Hey folks,
I figured this thread would be a good place to ask since it already existed. A little background. I'm a heavily entrenched Android user since the Evo 4G days and have service with several telecoms and own several phones as well. I saw the new presentation and I was really impressed, however, I need some help to see if the switch is right for me.
1) I use Google Voice to manage all of my numbers and phones. I heard that Skype doesn't allow number Port In, however, does allow forwarding. Does anyone know if this is true? Why don't they allow number Port In? Is it coming in the future? Any creative solutions around this?
2) I don't own a P.C., so Continuum really intrigues me. I've always owned PlayStation and loved being able to stream my PlayStation to my Sony phones and play remotely. Would I be able to stream XBoxOne to my phone and use Continuum to play on a monitor? What about streaming to a T.V. for Netflix or other apps like that?
3) I'm really interested in turning my home "smart". I know that Android has a big IoT platform and it'll be great with NEST and the other things they have coming down the pipeline. What about Windows? Is there a platform available? What products support it? Can it all be phone controlled and do apps exist for them?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated as I'm sure there are others in my boat who might have similar questions.
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So in theory you can do this with windows phone right now. remember one windows isn't anything new. windows 8.1 is on the xbox one. And you can use the pass through feature on any windows device. On windows 10, its all the same, even on mobile because on phone it is full windows running (just slightly different ui, right now if windows 10 on desktop is told its on an under 6inch screen it locks into mobile or atleast the apps do, per windows weekly). Even though it is mobile you could run full photo shop on the phone with a couple of hacks. The one issue is Windows doesn't run well on Arm processors snapdragon 810 and 808... Look out also for a zenfone 2 running Windows 10 mobile. Also the is some one hacking the zenfone to port windows 10.
My dream is for the test windows 10 mobile rom that was being tested on xiaomi mi4 could get ported.
Also microsoft has debated on creating a rom that's flashable to android devices. That helps them get the 1billion user goal. And also attract devs and hacking enthusiasts.
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So this is full Windows 10? But on ARM?
Could I install and run any programs that I can install on my laptop then?
Does the phone have some kind of x86 to ARM translator?

No, it is not full Win10.
It only runs "universal" apps (the successor of the "metro" apps of windows 8/8.1/10)...

Truecaller is already available on win10 mobile. It shows info about who is calling but also can act as your call and text message spam filter, a feature I don't think they have on Android.
I broke my Icon unfortunately so can't post screenshots.
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I'm in the same boat. The 950 checks all my boxes hardware wise, but I do think it'll be hard to switch.
What I am doing is getting a Lumia 640, pretty cheap from BB: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/at-t-go...lack/9231014.p?id=1219701750248&skuId=9231014
Figure that would be a good device to test everything out on and see if I can make the switch. And I could probably sell it in a few months to close to what I paid for it.

Indeed fantastic price.
If my 950 XL proves (too) good, I might get a cheapo previous model so that my wife also switches.
(and only keep my Z4 Tablet LTE - that is getting Marshmallow soon - to keep contact with Android)
I actually waited to the last minute if a really serious device comes out this year from Android and only three came "close but no cigar" (the others far behind including the Note5, a series I used to be a fan and they stupidly killed by turning to a fashion series like S series):
- LG V10. I don't like the little screen (mostly the awkward positioning and that is not AMOLED but is always on - which kind of defeats the concept) and I don't care about the two selfie cams. Also you make it tough. Why not water resistant (at least) also?
- Z5 Premium. I always liked the Z series, but they failed to really advance it and now you can even call it ugly. 4K for a non-4K ready world is just a nice selling bullet. You put a super-MP camers, with no OIS and a simple single LED flash. Goofy.
- Moto X Force. No biometrics at all? In 2015? (also I kind of fear Moto as a brand for years now)
Anyway... few more days to a month to see if we made the right choice.
Love my Windows 10 1511 update that has extras to support coexistense with Win 10 phone...
MSFT don't screw this.

I started with windows hacking until I bought a HTC evo 4g. I have had 4 nexus devices and currently on the nexus 6. When the 950xl becomes available i am ditching the 6 for windows again after several years of android. Just out grew android. It was fun buy going back to where it all started.

No, only universal apps are able to run on Arm and X86 Plattform. W10 is similar on Arm and X86 but all Apps / Programms has to do the step and create Universal Apps while also Microsoft seems to work on Phones which are based on X86 CPU.
So this is a first step into the future which will provide same stuff on Desktop, Tablet and Phones. While Android has no Desktop OS and Apple has IOS and MAC OS seperated, Microsoft did the next step to Melt all worlds together. Now it is on us to support this way and on them to work continously to improve the process.

olarf said:
No, only universal apps are able to run on Arm and X86 Plattform. W10 is similar on Arm and X86 but all Apps / Programms has to do the step and create Universal Apps while also Microsoft seems to work on Phones which are based on X86 CPU.
So this is a first step into the future which will provide same stuff on Desktop, Tablet and Phones. While Android has no Desktop OS and Apple has IOS and MAC OS seperated, Microsoft did the next step to Melt all worlds together. Now it is on us to support this way and on them to work continously to improve the process.
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I feel windows mobile will make a come back.

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I feel windows mobile will make a come back.
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Totally agree and i don't like the way Samsung is heading, no microsSD, removable battery etc.
MS is no Saint with privacy, but Google is ignoring us users more and more.
A bought a 950xl just a few days ago.
Having a Android device for years, this Lumia is fun, new etc.
Although i must say, the available / working apps is a bit....
Anyone has a working Tapatalk yet?

KeesStolk said:
Totally agree and i don't like the way Samsung is heading, no microsSD, removable battery etc.
MS is no Saint with privacy, but Google is ignoring us users more and more.
A bought a 950xl just a few days ago.
Having a Android device for years, this Lumia is fun, new etc.
Although i must say, the available / working apps is a bit....
Anyone has a working Tapatalk yet?
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Yes, apps, always been lacking there. I have a feeling that's gonna change. Windows phone hacking & development is coming back. I will hold on to my nexus and gonna get the 950xl

KeesStolk said:
Totally agree and i don't like the way Samsung is heading, no microsSD, removable battery etc.
MS is no Saint with privacy, but Google is ignoring us users more and more.
A bought a 950xl just a few days ago.
Having a Android device for years, this Lumia is fun, new etc.
Although i must say, the available / working apps is a bit....
Anyone has a working Tapatalk yet?
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Same for me, I used Sammy phones for some years now and it seems they lost the track more and more. For sure there is a need for more apps but its a bit a Chicken and Egg thing. If you ask Software companies they tell you that there are not enough Windows phones to make it worth to develop a APP and if you ask customers they tell you that there are not enough apps to make it worth buying a Windows Phone... Actually I see Windows Phones appear in more and more companies where they replace IPhones. ALso the Bridge Projects seems to be more promissing then the Astoria one. For us as WP users we must not care about as most good apps exist for IOS and ANdroid at the same time. If the porting from IOS work good, we will get a lot of apps soon. The rest is on Microsoft then, they have to motivate companies to create a lot of universal apps. Actually the 950/950XL seems to be the only phones with some inovation right now. Lets see end of 2016 where we are.
I forget to mention that there exist a Tapatalk app and it works. Not that good but it works and do the job.