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Just in case anyone was wondering, Honeycomb = phones too

About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience

I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing

commodoor said:
I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing
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Yeah, a lot of people were thinking it was, which is understandable considering Google had never confirmed it either way until now.

Paul22000 said:
About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience
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Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...

ap3604 said:
Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...
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He actually goes into it in the interview about "reducing Android's hardware requirements" and that most likely yes, phones and tablets won't need physical or capacitive buttons. But he says they are leaving it open to the manufacturer; if someone wants or needs those buttons, then they can do it. (I suspect Honeycomb phones won't have the traditional 4 hardware buttons.)
Anyway, it's a great interview and highly recommend it; I'm still listening to it on and off.

Just finished that interview. It really puts a lot of things into perspective and gets me excited for the future of Android.
300,000 new activations per day now too. And as was confirmed before, these aren't new rom installs or upgrades, they are new devices.

Ok so
-honeycomb is for phones too
-honeycomb can support hardware buttons
-honeycomb has no minimum hardware requirements
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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elmerendeiro said:
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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Gingerbread is not wasted effort, much of work done there will carry over to Honeycomb. The keyboard for instance, and the kernel changes such as the new garbage collector.
If they wanted to get tablets out the door it makes sense to focus on that initially. They say the new interface scales down to phones too, but I'm sure it will take some extra time.

my dream/wish is something very to what motorola has done with astrix.. but better
Honeycomb phone.... looks like and works like a phone...
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A dock.. looks like a tablet.. but is essentially just a screen with a battery like compartment in the back.
Put the the phone in the compartment..the interface changes to tablet GUI
It will be an irresistible combo!

How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.

More video evidence (from last month) that Honeycomb will work on phones:
youtube.com/watch?v=koIzhLaRJJo
At 4:27...
Interviewer: Is Honeycomb just a version of Android that happens to work well on tablets or is it a tablet version of Android?
Andy Rubin: It's both.
Later at 6:10 Andy Rubin elaborates further by mentioning a Honeycomb "Fragments API" which allows developers to define a smartphone and tablet UI for their applications.

Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview..
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He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.

Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.
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You should probably watch the video then. One quote is just to make his point. You can't pick it apart just on that fact, it is a basic way to communicate, pick a part of something to start the conversation.
Watch the video, I won't spell it out for you. But Honeycomb is for everything.

pfmiller said:
He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.
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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that.
I'm not accusing anybody or trolling for that matter, just voicing my opinion in an open forum. Chill guys =)

My apologies if I sounded too harsh. You really should watch the video though, it answers all your questions and is really quite interesting.

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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that
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Why do you think the link to the video is there?

I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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who cares what it's actually going to be called though? I suspect that yes, the phone version will get a different delineation than just 3.0 Honeycomb. Probably 3.2 Ice Cream. I guess we'll see it first at the Google I/O event (May 10-11, 2011) and then show up early Fall on the next Nexus model?
The point from the interview though is that even if they call it Ice Cream for phones, it will look and act very similar to what they showed for tablets at CES (no hardware buttons, improved multi-tasking, scrollable widgets, etc). He also mentions that absolutely yes, Android is 100% still open and HTC or whoever can continue to skin.

3.0 honeycomb?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4NqT6u_ODk
Any chance we will see this on our devices not in the near future but in the furure?

3.0 is intended for tablet use...there may be a port...but no intention for handset use.

General??????

mastibeta said:
3.0 is intended for tablet use...there may be a port...but no intention for handset use.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/android-3-0-honeycomb-emulator-has-traces-of-smartphone-support
supposed to have smart phone support

by the time 3.0 hits (if ever) the fascinate you and i both will be on a diff phone
just happy to have 2.2

Are you a developer? Are you releasing something? Are you requesting a feature for development?
No, no, and no. Go back to general. Your post is not only inflammatory by virtue of the fact that you're asking about something that's two releases away (and technically not even out yet!) but also in the wrong section.
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Honeycomb probably won't make it to devices, since it's intended for tablets.
Ice Cream is the version of Android we would want. It comes after Honeycomb (obviously..) and is the honeycomb UI intended for smart phones.

If anything, next up would be any version updates (2.2.1+) to Froyo. After that, it would probably be an excrutiatingly slow wait for 2.3.x (Gingerbread). The fact that modders keep pressing forward with ROMs & kernels does help considerably though.

Android continuously feels like the girl that is just out of my league, the next version is always everything that I wanted but it feels like ill never get it. Oh well, maybe next phone.

wisconsinated said:
Android continuously feels like the girl that is just out of my league, the next version is always everything that I wanted but it feels like ill never get it. Oh well, maybe next phone.
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I got that girl...now we live together, puppy...no ring yet. dreams can come true!
Mmmmm...Froyo!

Slow down chief. We just got Froyo We should be complaining about not having Gingerbread before we start discussing Honeycomb or Ice Cream... Also sentences with the words "near future" and "our devices" don't make sense.

Wow, I'm continually amazed at the lack of some to be content or understand the climate of the forums here.
There are threads saying stop posting where's the froyo... This doesn't mean post where's the honeycomb yo?
Please stop the madness...

As everyone has said, this question is ridiculously premature to say the least.
But that said, to those saying "Honeycomb isn't for phones!": That's simply not true. Google execs have said Honeycomb will run on phones in the past, and they talked about how apps will run on both Honeycomb phones and tablets during today's event.
http://pocketnow.com/android/matias-duarte-gives-glimpse-of-android-honeycomb-on-phones
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20030465-265.html

Seriously, this thread did nothing to aid in development. This belongs in general.
It just makes it harder for members to sort through to actual roms and development.
Whether or not honeycomb will come to this phone is up to the developers who will have to port it for this phone. If they are willing, you will have it. But requesting this will get you nothing.

bycoo222 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/android-3-0-honeycomb-emulator-has-traces-of-smartphone-support
supposed to have smart phone support
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That's just an emulator. I would still think it's Tablet only. http://www.examiner.com/gadgets-in-san-jose/google-android-3-0-will-be-available-only-for-tablets
An emulator would have all possible options.

2.3 on Archos Gen8

Possible or not possible ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931857

Maybe with UrukDroid
I think it would be better to ask UrukDroid's developers if they could implement Gingerbread... Do we have all the drivers for the Gen8's hardware?

Moved to general as not android development

Gah, I want Gingerbread so bad I'm almost tempted to try and run that but I know it probably won't work at all, I haven't seen much talk about the Gen8's with Cyanogen.

PotentChili said:
Gah, I want Gingerbread so bad I'm almost tempted to try and run that but I know it probably won't work at all, I haven't seen much talk about the Gen8's with Cyanogen.[/QUOTE
Any reason why? I didn't think it offered anything particularly groundbreaking. Certainly a lot less than 2.1 > 2.2 was
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I agree...why do you want it so bad? Personally, I'm fine with Froyo, but would love a Honeycomb upgrade (if it would even run on these things).

ExploreMN said:
I agree...why do you want it so bad? Personally, I'm fine with Froyo, but would love a Honeycomb upgrade (if it would even run on these things).
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The thing I like the most with 2.3 is that it in the future will get sony playstation game application. But since it havn't hit the market jet, I am very pleased with 2.2. And by the time sony releases it, we will probably have 2.3 in some way.

thefunkygibbon said:
Any reason why? I didn't think it offered anything particularly groundbreaking. Certainly a lot less than 2.1 > 2.2 was
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Honestly I'm just the type of person that likes to always have the latest software. Any bug fix and any new feature is better having than not having, even if I won't use it. Just personal choice. Also as mentioned earlier too the Playstation thing would rock ;P

PotentChili said:
Honestly I'm just the type of person that likes to always have the latest software. Any bug fix and any new feature is better having than not having, even if I won't use it. Just personal choice. Also as mentioned earlier too the Playstation thing would rock ;P
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I doubt a port from the playstation phone to other Android phones would work due to the amount of physical buttons available on the PSPhone.
However, always happy to be proven wrong (especially in this case )
EDIT: I would like to see 2.3 on the Archos, just installed in on my phone, and it is pretty nice. As others have said there are not many new bits available, mostly cosmetic, but always nice to be up-to-date.
As others have said too, I would prefer Honeycomb instead, as that is designed for tablets, or at least with tablets in mind.

thefunkaygibbon said:
I doubt a port from the playstation phone to other Android phones would work due to the amount of physical buttons available on the PSPhone.
However, always happy to be proven wrong (especially in this case )
EDIT: I would like to see 2.3 on the Archos, just installed in on my phone, and it is pretty nice. As others have said there are not many new bits available, mostly cosmetic, but always nice to be up-to-date.
As others have said too, I would prefer Honeycomb instead, as that is designed for tablets, or at least with tablets in mind.
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The WiiMote classic controller has just as many buttons as the Playstation, just saying
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672884

You know we will get it. I have faith in Archos.
Look how many updates they have pushed out since initial release. (just too many to list out)
As long as they continue to sell Gen8, we will get our updates. Be it Gingerbread or HoneyComb.
Honeycomb seems to be most interesting on Gen8 as it goes with Soft Button, same implement as Archos did to Gen8. I was so happy to hear Andy from Google announce that they are finished with buttons as he previewed the Xoom (unannounced then)
Unless.... they start selling Gen9. (which is very unlikely due to such a high success of Gen8)
So we will have a year of updates coming to Gen8

Platform
The most important problem is the platform I think, bus there aren'r a lot of changes from API 8 to 9

[Q] Honeycomb rom port for Vibrant?

I was wondering if their was any way someone could start on a port of this? I asked the person working it and he said:
feel free to get people started in Samsung Vibrant forum
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Now if someone can do this; I may not be a dev but I will help in anyway I can be it posting about it in my blog/on youtube/twitter or just beta testing
Also since we got the official Xoom system dump
Plz let me know...I am willing to do all I can to help.

I would really like this. I hope people are willing to do it.
I sent this from my Vibrant!

The amount of work it would take would be redoodoodiculous.
Considering the amount the images will have to be resized to work and all the drivers and blah blah blah. Honeycomb will probably never come to smartphones other than from google, but we need to get gingerbread fully working first.
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Would be nice, but I will be content with just a working gingerbread ROM.

dpaul007 said:
Would be nice, but I will be content with just a working gingerbread ROM.
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i second that!

dpaul007 said:
Would be nice, but I will be content with just a working gingerbread ROM.
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I would be, but I have been waiting forever for Honeycomb and I will never ever be able to afford Xoom.

dxtrlabs said:
i second that!
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Yeah even though i think honeycomb on smartphones would be pretty nice, we need to get gingerbread out to all phones first.

if official gingerbread comes to our phones. I'm going to stop flashing.
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why would you want honeycomb on a cellphone? Honeycomb is geared towards 7" plus displays like netbooks, tablets, and in the very near future 7 inch doubledin car stereo systems, yup you heard me right 7 inch touchscreen stereo systems with honeycomb will be coming out soon, my guess 2012 or 2013, currently trying to hack a chinese stereo system with windows ce on it, it has a 800 mhz processor and a separtate 500 mhz gpu processor, trying to hack into it now. I know the hardware can support honeycomb.

celltimemb said:
why would you want honeycomb on a cellphone? Honeycomb is geared towards 7" plus displays like netbooks, tablets, and in the very near future 7 inch doubledin car stereo systems, yup you heard me right 7 inch touchscreen stereo systems with honeycomb will be coming out soon, my guess 2012 or 2013, currently trying to hack a chinese stereo system with windows ce on it, it has a 800 mhz processor and a separtate 500 mhz gpu processor, trying to hack into it now. I know the hardware can support honeycomb.
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Yea, I know usually for 7" but I actually feel that the Vibrant's screen is big enough for Honeycomb...I mean its not that that much smaller the the Galaxy Tab 7".
And as for the hardware, I have seen the devs here do some very amazing things.

vamp6x6x6x said:
Yea, I know usually for 7" but I actually feel that the Vibrant's screen is big enough for Honeycomb...I mean its not that that much smaller the the Galaxy Tab 7".
And as for the hardware, I have seen the devs here do some very amazing things.
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IMHO 4" is still much smaller than 7".... I dont think it's a good idea to put honeycomb on cell phone since even Google itself is doing a split version for next cellphone update...

ubcjack said:
IMHO 4" is still much smaller than 7".... I dont think it's a good idea to put honeycomb on cell phone since even Google itself is doing a split version for next cellphone update...
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I understand what you are saying, and I understand that it would be a pain to resize images and whatnot for the Vibrant...But I really think honeycomb for the phone is a good idea...or even a honeycomb lite if need be.

vamp6x6x6x said:
I understand what you are saying, and I understand that it would be a pain to resize images and whatnot for the Vibrant...But I really think honeycomb for the phone is a good idea...or even a honeycomb lite if need be.
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What about honeycomb specifically do you want, other than the name?

beren28 said:
What about honeycomb specifically do you want, other than the name?
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Mainly the lock screen, 3D acceleration(bc that 3d type youtube looked awesome), the whole drag and drop widgets to the different homescreen other then that I am good...but then again I think I just named off most of honeycomb features lol.

ubcjack said:
IMHO 4" is still much smaller than 7"....
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Thats wat she said
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sgtmedeiros said:
The amount of work it would take would be redoodoodiculous.
Considering the amount the images will have to be resized to work and all the drivers and blah blah blah. Honeycomb will probably never come to smartphones other than from google, but we need to get gingerbread fully working first.
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Actually, from what I've heard/read, Honeycomb has built in compatibility for smaller screens like phones.

You guys don't get it, when we have honeycomb on our phones it will turrn the 4" to 7" screen.
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vamp6x6x6x said:
I would be, but I have been waiting forever for Honeycomb and I will never ever be able to afford Xoom.
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Get a Nook Color. CM7 nightlies are available now and the HC isn't bad (not great either, but they're working on it).
I'd be happy with GB on the Vibrant. I have it on my work phone (G2).

to those saying honeycomb will NOT come to smartphones...you guys are idiots. honeycomb does and will support phones,its just android needed an OS update to properly support the tablet market to fix scaling and hardware issues/support + new features.

HotShotAzn said:
Get a Nook Color. CM7 nightlies are available now and the HC isn't bad (not great either, but they're working on it).
I'd be happy with GB on the Vibrant. I have it on my work phone (G2).
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I don't have money for a Xoom even let alone money for a Nook

you scream i scream we all scream for....

ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going

Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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All for one and one OS for all is what I say!
Majin101 said:
Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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You should be excited! From 3.1 to 3.2 is not too much of a huge changelog. Main updates included the zoom feature, and the SD card read but not write. Now, from 3.2 to the alleged 4.0 ICS... that's another story! That's a HUGE update in terms of software development. So much will be added and improved... it's the real update to look forward to, especially since ICS will unite the phone and tablet into one super high quality OS that both will share and work together with. That makes compatibility issues much less complicated. All for one and one OS for all!
I for one, am super excited for ice cream!

i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.

patass said:
i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)

I gave up on expecting an update for the xoom
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Android's strength was that of fragmentation - different phones coming in different sizes with different hardware.
However this is also Android's weakness as developers have to test on a larger number of devices (and we all know it's financially impossible to own all devices).
With ICS this should level the playing field with Apple - we should then see some new apps coming in for the tabs (and phones!).

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i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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ZanshinG1 said:
The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)
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I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...

Gorship said:
ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going
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Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?

Lothaen said:
I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...
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That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.

burden010 said:
That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.
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Yes it would indeed!
phone <-> tablet is a pain
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Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?
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We hope so - it was demo'd on a Xoom for I/O so I imagine it will - they'll probably be a 'Nexus' type device or other GED out for it - but Xoom will probably get it second (US Xoom).

Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.

Just-in-time said:
Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.
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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...

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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...
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That would be a bad idea because it would extremely limited where games can save data, and encryption would be more difficult. Plus old games would have to be updated
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the interesting thing is; they are compiting with the apple (according to me apple is compiting with them but still, as compainies it is the goal), and i believe this is why apple and android have the same date of releasing the ew sowtfare; the 4th quarter of 2011..
however apple has introduced the software, the new videos and betas are everywhere but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet.. this is risky because since we have no referance point to set our dreams we can dream whatever we want and this leads us to dissappointment in the end because there is no way to guess what they are doing..
so, i guess i am ready for a dissappointment and being suprised at the same time.. i have high hopes for ICS but i am trying to accept my device with honeycomb already and telling myself i did not buy it for ICS..
really, i have been asking to myself; "what kind of software are we dreaming of"? there are android devices with 600 mhz qualcomm cpus and quadcore devices are on the way.. how can they share the same software? there is only one example for that in the history; apple again.. apple updated the iphone 3g last time but they did not put multitasking and menu background due to the performance limitations..
and the other question is; "what kind of changes are coming for us"? android users are more professionals generally, but still i want some UI improvements.. i do not like my app icons are forced to be close only in the middle of the screen.. i want a menu which gives me the impression of wideness, so i will not feel i am drowning in the screen..

>but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet..
I skimmed through the 51-min I/O presentation to glean the major upcoming features of Android. The big thing are cloud features (video & music everywhere) which are rolling out independent of the OS. Even for cloud fans, these aren't a big deal, since similar options are available elsewhere. Mentioned in passing was an app-abstraction layer so apps can run seamlessly on any form factor. A "mini-big" deal, but already assumed since ICS is supposed to unify different screen sizes.
The Open Accessory initiative could be a big deal, but again that's not tied to the OS. I looked up "android open accessory" for 3rd-party announcements, and there were zip. The safe bet is if anything were to happen on this front, it'll be next year. Hopefully, it'll fare better than the GoogleTV effort. Logitech is learning the hard way that not all is golden in Android land.
The pie-in-the-sky stuff shown is the @Home initiative (I'm wondering if they had to pay AT&T to license that moniker, since [email protected] was acquired by Ma Bell a while back). It's the old Internet-appliance spiel rehashed and reclothed to Android skin. Judging from the applause level, most peeps in the audience were about as excited as I was.
So, the conservative projection (always a good idea) is that ICS will be what it was announced to be, one OS for all form factors. As explicitly mentioned, it will have the same hologram motif as the present HC, only that now your smartphone can run it as well. Any additional functionality beyond this will likely be minor, else it would've been mentioned. If you're wondering what's "minor," take as a benchmark that cam headtracking made the fit-to-be-announced cut.
Personally, the magic words I was looking for were "peripheral support," or "device support." MIA. I know, kinda boring. I like boring stuff, like using my scanners and printers and cams.
Anyway, I'm happy that 3.2 is out and about at least. That'll allow the 7" toys to show up this year, which is my preferred size. Looking forward to Sept to see what Win8 will have up its sleeve.

Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..

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Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..
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