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Just heard from SPR about upload speed issues

No, this isn't one of those heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another you've been messing around kinda things. This is straight from Sprint to us over at Android Central.
We have heard reports of users experiencing less-than-expected 3G upload speeds with their Samsung Epic 4G. After extensive investigation, Sprint and Samsung have identified an enhancement that may improve upload speeds on the Epic. This fix will be made available in the next maintenance release. It’s important to note that network speeds are impacted by many factors when using commercially-available speed test applications and test results may or may not be true indicator of the actual network performance.
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Figured you guys would be interested. Source Android Central

The pessimists were wrong
Weird wording, though... "may" improve upload speeds? "Hey guys, try this out, see how it works. May fix it, may not, who knows?"

Extend my 30 day trial and I'm willing to wait and try this fix that "may" work. Otherwise, it's too one-sided a gamble.
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I'm confident that the fix will remove the cap. I would assume that the word "may" is used because people live in markets where upload speeds are slow regardless of the cap. So, wile the upload issue would technically fixed, for those people, uploads wouldn't improve regardless. Let's have a little faith, shall we? We've done our part to make noise and get the gadget blogs to take notice... hopefully the fix will do the rest.
In short, I think that too many are reading too far into the meaning of the word "may."
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APOLAUF said:
In short, I think that too many are reading too far into the meaning of the word "may."
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I don't begrudge Sprint that wiggle room, so long as they extend the trial period so the customers can confirm that the fix works. Or perhaps amend the contract to say that we "may" pay the bills.
As it stands, Sprint seems to expect us, the customers, to commit to a contract on the optimistic speculation that the fix will materialize and solve the problem.
The 30-day deadline is Sprint's deadline, not mine. They have the discretion to extend it for this special case in return for asking me as a customer to trust them and wait for the fix.
Just seeking a fair two-way relationship.

The word "may" closes them off from idiots saying "I had 150k uploads before, now I had 145k once out of 25 tries! I want a new phone! I WANT A NEW PHONE!!!!!"
And if you think idiots like that aren't out there, you haven't worked in a cellular store before.

entropism said:
The word "may" closes them off from idiots saying "I had 150k uploads before, now I had 145k once out of 25 tries! I want a new phone! I WANT A NEW PHONE!!!!!"
And if you think idiots like that aren't out there, you haven't worked in a cellular store before.
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Too bad about the idiots (including those who work in cellular stores).
The established fact is that the Epic is broken and customers paid good money for it. The vendor is at fault for this, not "idiot" customers. Since the vendor is now asking customers to grant them extra trust and wait for a fix, the vendor should extend the trial period in return. A mutual fair deal.

boomerbubba said:
Too bad about the idiots (including those who work in cellular stores).
The established fact is that the Epic is broken and customers paid good money for it. The vendor is at fault for this, not "idiot" customers. Since the vendor is now asking customers to grant them extra trust and wait for a fix, the vendor should extend the trial period in return. A mutual fair deal.
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The vendor is not asking you to or making you keep the product if you do not like the cap. The vendor is trying to fix an issue that some have voiced as a concern, it is not a promise it will meet your expectations. Most people would not even notice the cap because upload speeds on 3g typically are not very good regardless, there is no guarantee of upload speeds or a minimum speed you must receive and the service is not sold that way. However if upload speeds are of extreme importance and if this product doesnt work for you then return it. You are owed nothing special because you want to wait to see if this is an acceptable outcome to you. A product is being sold, there is a trial period, make your judgement on the facts available to you now and either keep the product or do not, if you are unsure of this will fix the issue then return it.

mark920 said:
The vendor is not asking you to or making you keep the product if you do not like the cap. The vendor is trying to fix an issue that some have voiced as a concern, it is not a promise it will meet your expectations. Most people would not even notice the cap because upload speeds on 3g typically are not very good regardless, there is no guarantee of upload speeds or a minimum speed you must receive and the service is not sold that way. However if upload speeds are of extreme importance and if this product doesnt work for you then return it. You are owed nothing special because you want to wait to see if this is an acceptable outcome to you. A product is being sold, there is a trial period, make your judgement on the facts available to you now and either keep the product or do not, if you are unsure of this will fix the issue then return it.
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Do you represent Sprint? If anyone at Sprint said that to me I almost certainly would tell them to cancel the contract. But I don't think you do speak for Sprint. I think they do want the two grand, so they are asking for the business.

Look, the simple fact is, we live in a sanitized, litigious, pussified society, and people want to sue over EVERYTHING. By saying the word "may", instead of will, Sprint is practicing a much needed case of Covering Their Ass.
Is the 150k upload speeds a bug that needs fixing? YES. However, by wording it as "will" instead of "may", people who living in an area where say, 100k uploads are the norm and they don't see a DEFINITE upload speed of over 150k (the "will" represents a definite, a constant, a guarantee), they can easily give Sprint **** over their wording, and either demand a new phone for free, demand an ETF free termination, or try to start a lawsuit.
Now, by wording it as "may", they cover their ass in the extreme cases that everyone else with half a brain realizes is just common sense.

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Now, by wording it as "may", they cover their ass in the extreme cases that everyone else with half a brain realizes is just common sense.
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As I said, I don't begrudge Sprint that wiggle room. I'm willing to trust them to give them time to implement the fix if, and only if, they also extend the trial period. If they have faith in their own purported plan for remediation, that should not be a problem. And remember, this is a design defect for which they and their manufacturing partner bear responsibility in the first place. This certainly not the customers' fault (your smug attitude about "idiot" customers notwithstanding).
So overall, I'm willing to cut Sprint a break if they reciprocate.

I'd HARDLY call it a smug attitude, thank you very much. When YOU deal with people who do the following on a daily basis, you'd be jaded too:
1 - Hand you a phone with a HOLE in the screen and demand it was a manufacturing defect that a screwdriver went through it, then try to take a swing at you when you hand them an insurance card.
2 - Hand you a phone with moist sand pouring out of it and try to claim it never got near water
3 - hand you a still damp phone with RICE still inside it, and claim they never got it wet and had no idea how the rice got inside
4 - hand you a phone that literally pours liquid onto your desk, then proceed to tell you that they got into a fight with their girlfriend, who proceeded to throw it on the floor and PEE on it (really wish I wore gloves for that one)
That being said, there are people who will try to cancel over everything, and the wording between "may" or "will" is something that WILL come back to bite Sprint (or any other company) in the ass at one point or another.

entropism said:
I'd HARDLY call it a smug attitude, thank you very much. When YOU deal with people who do the following on a daily basis, you'd be jaded too...
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That being said, there are people who will try to cancel over everything, and the wording between "may" or "will" is something that WILL come back to bite Sprint (or any other company) in the ass at one point or another.
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I have no doubt that such incidents happen. We also could tick off plenty of reasons not to trust carriers, manufacturers and cell phone sales consultants in particular. There is not just idiocy, but also dissembling and downright dishonesty. Samsung, in particular, has a pretty sorry reputation for customer support.
You don't trust customers. Understood. I don't trust cell phone salesmen. And I certainly don't trust corporations like Sprint any further than they are willing to trust me. The fact is that they now have the special case of a defective product with no fix yet, and the bolus of early adopters, including me, is nearing the 30 day deadline. I should think Sprint would be interested in keeping our business to give itself time, instead of saying: "Take it or leave it. You take all the risk of a fix, even though we and Samsung are to blame."
Read my lips. I am not quibbling over "may," but over the one-sided allocation of risk and trust. I have said twice I can understand that Sprint wants wiggle room, but I want reciprocation.

APOLAUF said:
I'm confident that the fix will remove the cap. I would assume that the word "may" is used because people live in markets where upload speeds are slow regardless of the cap. So, wile the upload issue would technically fixed, for those people, uploads wouldn't improve regardless. Let's have a little faith, shall we? We've done our part to make noise and get the gadget blogs to take notice... hopefully the fix will do the rest.
In short, I think that too many are reading too far into the meaning of the word "may."
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Tell that to the people who have the Sprint Samsung Moment. From Nov. 9th 2009 to today they are still fighting the uphill battle trying to get their phones fixed.
community.sprint.com/baw/thread/24237;jsessionid=FFCC2CF5B47FB507F65A95C2A5374757.app1jive1?start=345&tstart=0&reqsorting=dec
I'm sure Sprint and Samsung used the words MAY fix your airplane mode issue or MAY fix your data lockup problems but it's been nearly a year and the problems still exist.
The 24 pages of that thread and 10 months later, I thinking that Sprint/Samsung MAY have screwed Moment users over.
However I will say that Samsung is putting all their eggs in the Galaxy S bucket. If they screw over the owners of all these phones on all the carriers out there, their reputation will be destroyed in the cellular arena. They know it's in their best interest to fix these problems fast (if possible), it would totally suck though if these issues are hardware based.

Just letting you know, a Moment software update especially for the airplane mode bug is coming this week. A little late, but still...

entropism said:
The word "may" closes them off from idiots saying "I had 150k uploads before, now I had 145k once out of 25 tries! I want a new phone! I WANT A NEW PHONE!!!!!"
And if you think idiots like that aren't out there, you haven't worked in a cellular store before.
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Entropism, you are a really helpful poster and I admire you. There are plenty of nice sprint works, soem informed ones, and a lot of condescending dolts. I consider you to be nice and knowledgeable.
But around here, among friends, we have all been around the block and seen things Sprint has fixed and things they have never fixed, and simply relied on textual "fixes" of what to expect.
So when it comes to these stunning low 3G speeds, it is shocking sprint did not see this in there tests, and also given the recently discovered apparent packet filtering on Epic yet not on Evo, it does make people rightfully cautious about being sure of anything Sprint says.
The Epic other serious bug, the GPS, is also very disconcerting. We knwo the way it manifests, might, unlike the 3G issue, have made it harder for Sprint to see. After all it goes away temporarily with resets. so maybe their testers were reseting often. But given the Galaxy S having so many GPS problems testing there should have been more stringent as well. Sprint is still giving people false and misleading advce on users on fixing aGPS, telling them to use wireless network locaiton, which is a misdirection to tower locaiton and has no affect on the real bug.

Just for the record, the actual Sprint representative I last talked to about this issue was much more reasonable and accommodating after reading the Sprint statement on the 3G network issue. He cut me some slack on the trial period while awaiting this fix, and I cut Sprint some slack on keeping the line and the phone while we wait. A win-win deal. We both hope the fix comes through and that it works.

boomerbubba said:
Just for the record, the actual Sprint representative I last talked to about this issue was much more reasonable and accommodating after reading the Sprint statement on the 3G network issue. He cut me some slack on the trial period while awaiting this fix, and I cut Sprint some slack on keeping the line and the phone while we wait. A win-win deal. We both hope the fix comes through and that it works.
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Glad this worked out for you (so far). Let's hope the fix is everything we've been asking for...

boomerbubba said:
Just for the record, the actual Sprint representative I last talked to about this issue was much more reasonable and accommodating after reading the Sprint statement on the 3G network issue. He cut me some slack on the trial period while awaiting this fix, and I cut Sprint some slack on keeping the line and the phone while we wait. A win-win deal. We both hope the fix comes through and that it works.
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You would be stunned how often Sprint employees will go out of their way to keep you as a customer if you just ask someone. I've gotten extra upgrades, I've gotten them to turn the $75 extra line upgrade bonus into a full $150 upgrade, I've gotten actual money off of monthly bills and quite a few other things for minor inconveniences in performance and/or billing. The reason my family is STILL with Sprint (besides being the best bang for your buck everything plan out there) is that we've all had AWFUL experiences with the other companies out there (especially ATT) and Sprint very regularly impresses.
I told a rep at the Sprint store that I want to get an Epic on Oct 1 but was worried about those issues and he offered to extend my 30 days (for switching phones only, not for bailing out of contract) until the time at which they release the next update if I needed it to ensure that my issues were addressed.

aero1 said:
But around here, among friends, we have all been around the block and seen things Sprint has fixed and things they have never fixed, and simply relied on textual "fixes" of what to expect.
So when it comes to these stunning low 3G speeds, it is shocking sprint did not see this in there tests, and also given the recently discovered apparent packet filtering on Epic yet not on Evo, it does make people rightfully cautious about being sure of anything Sprint says.
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Oh trust me, I know. There are aspects of Sprint's procedures and testing that I think are asinine, and I definitely give as much leeway in my store as I can without getting fired. All I was doing was commenting on the legality and reasoning behind the wording, nothing more and nothing less. The simple fact is that yes, Sprint should have had these issues fixed, but I know that they have been aware (even if not admitted publicly) from the start and working on the bugs since before launch.
However, I stand behind my original statement: Customers will do ANYTHING to try to get one over on Sprint, read a forum thread on SERO if you want proof. And a simple wording difference between "may" and "will" can mean a world of difference.

Sprint, Airave, and upgrading a line

I'm trying to buy a phone to replace my wife's POS Samsung Moment. She wants the Evo, so I called Sprint a few weeks ago to order her one. I was prepared to pay full price for the Evo since neither myself nor my wife is due for an upgrade, but the sales rep on the phone took a look at my lines (I have 4 phones plus a "line" for my Airave) and told me that she was going to upgrade me based on the Airave upgrade eligibility. Dumb me, I actually argued with her and told her that it wasn't a phone, and she acknowledged it but said that it would save me money and make me a happy customer. Hey - whatever she can do, that's great, so let's jump on that! Bad news - they were out of stock of the Evo AND the Evo Shift, and I flat refused to get her the Epic (I am not a fan of Sprint's CURRENT Samsung offerings...but would love to look at the Nexus S.)
On a Friday afternoon trip, she decided she'd had enough of her phone locking up, so she wanted to stop by the Sprint store. After waiting in there for about an hour and a half (I expect crap service there, and am never disappointed...) the sales rep brought us out a white Evo (what she really wanted.) However, when we explained what the Sprint sales rep on the phone was going to do, he acknowledged that he HAD done that before, but he'd gotten into trouble for it. He was adamant that he wasn't going to do it for us, and while I was perturbed, I wasn't going to ask him to jeopardize his job. He told me that the reps on the phone shouldn't have offered either.
So who was right? I admit it sounds fishy to try and skirt the prices by "upgrading" an Airave, but if the phone rep wasn't so quick to offer to do it, I'd be calling shenanigans. I don't *want* to pay full price, but if I can save $150, I'd be stupid not to.
We didn't buy it - I'm going to try calling back and getting the Nexus S when it's released and see if I can get the same offer.

I don't think they are supposed to upgrade an Airave line. If they do then that probably would mean you'd have to send in the Airave and be stuck with that number as an additional line.

You can do one of two things.
1. Ask for the manager, listen to what he/she tells you, then ask for like an area or district manager about the data lockup with the Moment. Also remind them that it's also illegal against the FCC for any type of phone in service or not to not be able to dial out to an emergency number such as 911, and when the lockup starts on the Moment, you can't call out at all.
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2. With Sprint, if you've had your phone replaced three times due to a hardware or software issue you've been having then Sprint offers you an early upgrade.
With both of these Sprint will offer you an early upgrade, but most likely it will not be an Evo, or they will offer you a discount on some phones to upgrade to.

vbetts said:
You can do one of two things.
1. Ask for the manager, listen to what he/she tells you, then ask for like an area or district manager about the data lockup with the Moment. Also remind them that it's also illegal against the FCC for any type of phone in service or not to not be able to dial out to an emergency number such as 911, and when the lockup starts on the Moment, you can't call out at all.
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2. With Sprint, if you've had your phone replaced three times due to a hardware or software issue you've been having then Sprint offers you an early upgrade.
With both of these Sprint will offer you an early upgrade, but most likely it will not be an Evo, or they will offer you a discount on some phones to upgrade to.
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You mentioned lockup - I've been lazy and haven't researched her issue, but that's EXACTLY the problem...the phone just freezes. Can you provide any link to information regarding that? It's well out of warranty and this would be the first time we're reporting this, unfortunately.

Sprint had made it very clear to all reps not to use the upgrade on the Airave line. Many people have done it in the past but in no way should they be doing so now, it does put your job on the line believe it or not.
And as far as what the guy above said, it's not that easy.
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DirtyShroomz said:
Sprint had made it very clear to all reps not to use the upgrade on the Airave line. Many people have done it in the past but in no way should they be doing so now, it does put your job on the line believe it or not.
And as far as what the guy above said, it's not that easy.
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I have no reason to believe it doesn't. Perhaps I just talked to someone who didn't care
So why does the airave show the upgrade eligibility? If it can't/isn't supposed to be used, then take that visibility away from the customer. That would simplify things greatly, and no one would be having this discussion in the first place.

Once i got my airvana my account did the same thing. My wife should be available for the 150 but it switched to the airvana now. I dont know whats going to happen when she goes in for the upgrade either.

jickey said:
I have no reason to believe it doesn't. Perhaps I just talked to someone who didn't care
So why does the airave show the upgrade eligibility? If it can't/isn't supposed to be used, then take that visibility away from the customer. That would simplify things greatly, and no one would be having this discussion in the first place.
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Because the system shows it as a line, simple as that. Your car shows it can go 150mph, do you use it?
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fireburster said:
Once i got my airvana my account did the same thing. My wife should be available for the 150 but it switched to the airvana now. I dont know whats going to happen when she goes in for the upgrade either.
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Call in and have it fixed, assuming she didn't lose her upgrade because of the premier program change.
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DirtyShroomz said:
Because the system shows it as a line, simple as that. Your car shows it can go 150mph, do you use it?
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Well, *MY* car doesn't show 150, but if I need to use it, I could
Just playing devil's advocate here - not disagreeing. I understand, just being argumentative with your example...

jickey said:
Well, *MY* car doesn't show 150, but if I need to use it, I could
Just playing devil's advocate here - not disagreeing. I understand, just being argumentative with your example...
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Hah it's cool, it's a forum. Theres no way for Sprint to remove an upgrade from a line and since the airave shows as an additional line it has an upgrade. Bugs that cost more to fix then leave alone and educate reps about I guess.
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DirtyShroomz said:
Hah it's cool, it's a forum. Theres no way for Sprint to remove an upgrade from a line and since the airave shows as an additional line it has an upgrade. Bugs that cost more to fix then leave alone and educate reps about I guess.
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LOL - I'm a SME/Senior Support tech for a large software company - you're preaching to the choir about bugs that cost too much to fix - or development WON'T fix

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LOL - I'm a SME/Senior Support tech for a large software company - you're preaching to the choir about bugs that cost too much to fix - or development WON'T fix
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Lol I had no idea but at least you understand
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Can't you get around this by just going into Bestbuy, RS, or wirefly, then telling them you want to upgrade the 'airave number', it'll show up qualifying as a upgrade, then you buy the phone for the upgrade price (usually the same as a new customer), and walk out, then switch your airave back to that number in a day or two via the sprint site or calling sprint.
Going to try this, since we have 3 lines, all go on a $150 discount (saving them for the EVO 3D) and an airave with a $150 discount, too, which I want to use now on a Nexus S 4G.
Yeah, yeah, this is kind of unfair and cheating the system, but it's Sprint's fault/error/issue, and I'm pissed that I've been getting 0 - 150k from the tower by my house for 5 months now and they don't seem to care. 4G is like 500k tops, unless you're standing across the street from the tower, then it's 2k, which is barely faster than 3G's optimal speed. :|

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Can't you get around this by just going into Bestbuy, RS, or wirefly, then telling them you want to upgrade the 'airave number', it'll show up qualifying as a upgrade, then you buy the phone for the upgrade price (usually the same as a new customer), and walk out, then switch your airave back to that number in a day or two via the sprint site or calling sprint.
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i would like to know if this is something doable by going through 3rd party.

My Sprint "Experience"

Ok, So I am incredibly unsatisfied with Sprint's service as of late. I purchased the Epic 4g Touch and experienced the dreaded "Loss Of Service" bug frequently. I was within my 14 day return limit so I went into the Visalia California Sprint Store to swap out for a different model (namely the Evo 3d which I traded in for the e4gt). I also signed 5 of my friends up with sprint as well and 2 of them got the e4gt and had the same exact issues. They convinced me to try a replacement and assured me that if it still experienced that bug I could return it within 14 days of receiving the replacement phone. The replacement phone was worse than the one I had originally and lost service every hour. I missed several calls from work leaving my employer under the impression I was angry and ignoring her and almost cost me my job. So I went in to the Visalia California store yet again to get a replacement model. I spoke with the same woman that convinced me to get the replacement model (She was also the manager) and she stated that the device was out of its 14 days since the FIRST device and that I couldn't get a different model (see what she did there?). So I went home and called Sprint off of another line and spent 4 hours total on hold. I hung up and called Sprint tech support and after running tests and walking me through updates and such the rep spoke with a manager on his end and concluded that I needed a different model of phone. He stated that he would note that down in the ticket and to go into the Visalia California store and they would give me a different model. So I went in to the store and spoke with the manager yet again. This time after reading the ticket she became rude and uncivil stating that the ticket says "customer needs to try a different model of phone" and that they didn't have to provide it for me and that even if it did, corporate cannot make them give me a different model. The whole time I was civil and polite but my frustration was building. I drove an hour to the Sprint store in Fresno only to find out that Visalia had to handle my case and that they could not even replace it with the same model. So I found a man on craigslist and traded it for a Nexus S 4g. I plan on paying out my contract asap and switching to Verizon. They know how to treat a customer.
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I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure since you live in the state of California you have up to 30-days to return a device and not 14 like other states.

i was told 14.

This thread should be titled “my Samsung experience.”
Welcome to Samsung. You have been initiated.

*nevermind*

read your local laws, scan or photo them, and send them to sprint. I have been a customer since 1999 and they would NEVER pull this poo with me. I threaten them every time I am on the phone, you'll get what you want, ask for the account retention department...

Wait what the hell? Verizon and AT&T both limit your data now? WTF I cant do that God they are sooo lucky I need a phone. So I get a choice between sh*tty customer service and sh*tty cellphone service... I can't live in this world anymore

cobraboy85 said:
This thread should be titled “my Samsung experience.”
Welcome to Samsung. You have been initiated.
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I don't see how it's Samsung's fault when Sprint refused to exchange the device even after his account was noted.

Longcat14 said:
I don't see how it's Samsung's fault when Sprint refused to exchange the device even after his account was noted.
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Because Samsung phones have constant issues....
The Bird is the Word

Babydoll25 said:
Because Samsung phones have constant issues....
The Bird is the Word
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Ah. Loving my Nexus S. I've taken a vow to only use nexus phones from now on.
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Longcat14 said:
I don't see how it's Samsung's fault when Sprint refused to exchange the device even after his account was noted.
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hi... I do not know much about sprint...I have heard of it for the first time... Can you tell me about it...!

Sodiyana said:
hi... I do not know much about sprint...I have heard of it for the first time... Can you tell me about it...!
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Read the first post. All you need to know
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sprint is fine, i work for them, it's just you always get the a**holes at some sprint stores, i would never treat a customer like that, let alone lead them in the wrong direction just for a commissioned pay, that's probably why that manager did that, but anywho, don't be mad at sprint, i'm sure you experience will get better with them, my parents have been with them for 15 years+ and never had an issue, and i've been with them for about 5 or 6 under my parents account, they have good service, just right now it's kinda hard keeping everyone happy while doing a MASSIVE network upgrade, but some people are impatient, but trust me sprint is the way to go
P.S. from reading your post, the initial issue does sound like it was the phone itself, you should have gotten something else, and don't bother with the 3d unless you can return it, i'm using it now, low signal strength, i would recommend the Photon (also own) the signal strength and radios in that phone are the strongest i've ever seen in any phone out there

buy your phone at target next time they have way better deals than sprint company stores and do a 30 day exchange period.. i work at a target mobile, we will treat you right,

sexykika said:
buy your phone at target next time they have way better deals than sprint company stores and do a 30 day exchange period.. i work at a target mobile, we will treat you right,
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I was thinking bestbuy.. there's no deposit on their insurance
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Target offers an insurance similiar to best buys black tie for 7.99 monthly or 179.99 one time payment coverage for two years,
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timinator94 said:
i was told 14.
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Wow, they change their terms.
http://www.sprint.com/landings/returns/
Was 30 in PA. Not sure what it is anymore.
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Target offers an insurance similiar to best buys black tie for 7.99 monthly or 179.99 one time payment coverage for two years,
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Have you ever tried to get a replacement? Try it on something low cost. Google the horror stories.

A2CKilla said:
sprint is fine, i work for them, it's just you always get the a**holes at some sprint stores, i would never treat a customer like that, let alone lead them in the wrong direction just for a commissioned pay, that's probably why that manager did that, but anywho, don't be mad at sprint, i'm sure you experience will get better with them, my parents have been with them for 15 years+ and never had an issue, and i've been with them for about 5 or 6 under my parents account, they have good service, just right now it's kinda hard keeping everyone happy while doing a MASSIVE network upgrade, but some people are impatient, but trust me sprint is the way to go
P.S. from reading your post, the initial issue does sound like it was the phone itself, you should have gotten something else, and don't bother with the 3d unless you can return it, i'm using it now, low signal strength, i would recommend the Photon (also own) the signal strength and radios in that phone are the strongest i've ever seen in any phone out there
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I dont suppose seeing how you work for them you can help me? I traded my phone away to a guy on craigslist(hope he lost my number LOL) but would love my upgrade back..

timinator94 said:
I dont suppose seeing how you work for them you can help me? I traded my phone away to a guy on craigslist(hope he lost my number LOL) but would love my upgrade back..
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i was just saying, so you'll know i can really relate to your problem and i'm not just rambling with non sense, as far as the upgrade....i would have talked the phone with them for a while before giving up so easily
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Wow, they change their terms.
http://www.sprint.com/landings/returns/
Was 30 in PA. Not sure what it is anymore.
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and that's been in effect for a couple months now actually :/ it sucks

I really need to say this because it hasn't been reflected by the forum recently

Sprint support is NOT terrible. I know that as humans, our minds tend to remember negative experiences for much longer than positive ones, and I know that people don't come to XDA to share when things are working, but I just had a wonderful session with a tech. I don't remember his name, but I do remember the amount of dedication he put forward for this problem. After having issues with receiving text messages for whoever knows how long, we speculated since I installed Google Voice and then uninstalled it, then not being able to send texts, I Odin'ed back to good old EC05 while re-partitioning and clearing my EFS. I don't know if it was this that broke things, doubt it, but then I tried to make a voice call for the first time in a few days. It failed with an error number 16 and then some switch number. I tried calling the phone and it told my that the Google Voice subscriber (who is me) was unavailable. After thinking 'WTF HAVE I DONE TO THIS!!!!!' for a few minutes I Google'd error 16. It involves fraud, ESN cloning, and running S-OFF (to root) on HTC EVOs. Normally they all got fixed by calling Sprint. I called and the rep removed GV completely from the account. That didn't work. After an hour of resets, refreshes, and trials, he created an E-ticket for me to get a replacement. During this time I had been Googleing the error 16 more. It said something about a CHLS reset. I'm not a rep but I mentioned that we should try it. He said that it had been done earlier but he was eager to try it again. At this point, if I had been handling the call, I would probably be pissed. The called wants me to try something I did half an hour ago. But nope, this rep was perfectly fine with my suggestion. This time it worked and I had all connections restored. I thanked him graciously and asked if, now that we were done, I could ask about the switch to LTE. He told me that he didn't have official information but he would tell me what he had heard/knew. He said that from what he knows that LTE and WiMax will coexist together, perhaps with dual band devices. We laughed at the battery usage of that but he did tell me that Sprint is looking to compete with Verizon for LTE coverage. That's exciting news for me, whether or not it is accurate. Verizon is getting LTE in Delaware, I know there is some 15 miles away from me, and that would be great.
TL;DR for this post: Sprint support is helpful and we only hear about negative experiences. I'm not saying that all calls end well, but we need to remember that every rep is different. There are people who are just doing their job, and there are people who do their job well. From my experience, the latter is much more common.

No they really do suck! All the way up to Executive services...they have locked down the ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers and they will straight up lie to cover their asses. They don't give a crap about the customer anymore. I have talked to a few that were nice however they were incompetent, so you can't have it both ways.

though the few support situations i've been in involve a sprint store, although they were kinda uninformed and just kept to the script and ended up being non-helpful both times, i won't say it was a good or bad experience. I'm glad to see someone giving them there props when their do to receive them.

kennyglass123 said:
No they really do suck! All the way up to Executive services...they have locked down the ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers and they will straight up lie to cover their asses. They don't give a crap about the customer anymore. I have talked to a few that were nice however they were incompetent, so you can't have it both ways.
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wow Kenny, surely you don't lump all of us techs into that. I believe myself to be very competent, and I am certainly honest and straightforward.
And the "ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers" is pretty ridiculous as it generally sets unreasonable expectations for customers, especially those who then act as if courtesies and favors are expected to be given all the time.
Plus it's just good penny pinching. What do you expect from a company about to spend 10+ billion in the next year and half.
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I had a similiar problem awhile back but mine was with not being able to make calls while out of my home area in certain areas was kinda weird but I had 3g and 4g though. Long story short there was a special network reset on sprints end that fixed it for me and maybe it was a chls. This did also occur to me after efs clear.
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Okay, yeah, the store people suck. I've never had to call more than once for anything though, whether it was a replacement or even sorting out connection issues. All of the stores I've been in were rude. Ones in NY last time I was there blew me off with a 'hey yo sorry bro but we're busy here and you'll have to leave the phone with us for 4 hours but i dont think you want to do that'. The local store laughed at my mothers call dropping and said that if she can make and receive calls they don't need to help. I guess 5 second connections count as calls. Anyway, maybe I've been lucky! I had issues with Sprint TV and got a discount on my bill because it wasn't at all what I wanted.

Every time i had to call tech support i had a extremely nice and helpful person on the other end they even offered to throw me some credit to my account when my first epic had problems right out of the box and another time with my towers in my area were down for 24 hrs they credited 20 to my account the only bad experience i had was when i went inot the sprint store the on-site tech had absolutely no effin clue how to fix gps on my phone i was trying to calibrate it but it wouldnt lock (first epic right out of the box) he just had no clue about anything and when i showed him some stuff on the epic i got "oh i didnt know it did that" or "ill have to remember that for future troubleshooting" seriously they should really check these guys out before they hire them dude didnt know anything about Android and he was the lead android tech lol

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The people on the other end of the phone are people to, occasionally it can be hard to remember that when they know less than you do...after all, they supposedly do this for a living day in and day out.
The last time I called Sprint it was to add a Canadian calling plan and to ask what the roaming data rate was while in Canada. Both of these items required an inordinate number of transfers and when transferred the person on the other end of the line was clearly baffled as to why I would have been transferred to them. Both items seemed to be a rather simple request as far as I was concerned considering they were very happy to charge me for these services. I would have been happy to use the Internet to do this but the option was grayed out when I logged into my account and the data rate was posted in 5 different sections of the web site at 5 different amounts.
My Sprint cellular service is good in STL and the price (including discount) is marvelous but boy-oh-boy I don't know how these guys keep the lights on.

-sigh-...I suppose it is depressing how little my colleagues know.
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Geez, if I had known this would create such a controversy I never would have said anything. I never said that corporate Sprint decisions were good, I never said that I wouldn't like more power to be given to the reps, I only said that we should appreciate those who actually have the capability and training to help out those of us who need it. I know that not everybody is helpful. I also know that if this is how we act on by far one of the nicest XDA sub-forums that exists right now, imagine what these reps must be exposed to every day. If they are less than satisfactory, I wonder how they got that way. It couldn't be years of no appreciation, could it? I never meant to deny the trouble people have had with the support system, but bring some positive to the highly hostile attitude towards Sprint employees. The ones who take the flak aren't the ones who are causing problems. /rant

squshy 7 said:
wow Kenny, surely you don't lump all of us techs into that. I believe myself to be very competent, and I am certainly honest and straightforward.
And the "ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers" is pretty ridiculous as it generally sets unreasonable expectations for customers, especially those who then act as if courtesies and favors are expected to be given all the time.
Plus it's just good penny pinching. What do you expect from a company about to spend 10+ billion in the next year and half.
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No Squishy, definitely present company accepted. And up until a year ago everything was rosy with me an Sprint but something happened in corporate that turned the whole picture sour. Customer service was no longer first. Reps that actually wanted to help said their hands were tied. When I lost a $2000 job that I would have made in 1 days work because of an Airave upgrade Sprint denied it all the way up to Hesse's office. The Airave tech said an update had just went through and caused all calls in my home to go directly to voicemail. After resetting the Airave it was working again. I compained and asked for a simple courtesy to get an early upgrade or just move the date, or just get one more yearly update that they took away, I was told by Executive services that there is no record of an Airave update and my phone lost sync with the tower. After explainging that I had no problem outside of airave range they still stuck to their lie as to prevent a lawsuit on the loss of income. That is a bunch of assh&les to me.

It must be mind numbing to park yourself in that Confederacy of Dunces day in and day out. On the flip side I bet dealing with the public likely makes you want to kill yourself some days.
I'm not even asking that the guy on the end of the phone know anything really....I always assumed, based on how many times I get put on hold, that all a CSR needs is enough time and cerebral ability to type my question into the computer and read me back the answer. It's when this process breaks down that I get pissy.
In all fairness to Sprint it's as bad (or good) as any other consumer tech company I deal with regularly. Obviously not all Sprint CSRs are bad apples but why-oh-why does Sprint's ratio of spoiled fruit seem so high?

RyleyinSTL said:
The people on the other end of the phone are people to, occasionally it can be hard to remember that when they know less than you do...after all, they supposedly do this for a living day in and day out.
The last time I called Sprint it was to add a Canadian calling plan and to ask what the roaming data rate was while in Canada. Both of these items required an inordinate number of transfers and when transferred the person on the other end of the line was clearly baffled as to why I would have been transferred to them. Both items seemed to be a rather simple request as far as I was concerned considering they were very happy to charge me for these services. I would have been happy to use the Internet to do this but the option was grayed out when I logged into my account and the data rate was posted in 5 different sections of the web site at 5 different amounts.
My Sprint cellular service is good in STL and the price (including discount) is marvelous but boy-oh-boy I don't know how these guys keep the lights on.
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Lol att cell does the same thing when you want to add foreign service plans and are baffled to lol. Att internet customer support are a bunch of retards they don't even know what services they sell. You have to call 5x in order to get the service you already knew you were available to get. All the corporations are just ridiculous. Its not just one its ALL OF THEM.........
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My question is, if we know so much more about these devices than the people they are paying to troubleshoot the devices when we have a problem...why the hell aren't WE the one's working at Sprint??
Well, to answer my own question I guess, I see how ruffled feathers get when a noob wanders in asking dumb questions, how many here would volunteer to deal with nothing but noobs all day long?
Well, to answer my second question- I suppose it is easier dealing with noob 'problems' than tracking down a bug in a kernel or a glitch in a ROM UI, but these are fun activities for most self-taught programmers, as opposed to dealing with someone wondering why their phone 'won't work' (however vague that claim is!) probably drives you up a wall..still, if it paid well..where can I sign up? I need a job...lol
My experience with Sprint CustServ so far has been mixed- mostly because if you can't show someone how your phone is misbehaving, and they aren't smart enough to understand what you are describing- troubleshooting is impeded to say the least. On the whole though, the Epic was more trouble than the reps. I'm on my fourth one..

Tomcat5 said:
Geez, if I had known this would create such a controversy I never would have said anything. I never said that corporate Sprint decisions were good, I never said that I wouldn't like more power to be given to the reps, I only said that we should appreciate those who actually have the capability and training to help out those of us who need it. I know that not everybody is helpful. I also know that if this is how we act on by far one of the nicest XDA sub-forums that exists right now, imagine what these reps must be exposed to every day. If they are less than satisfactory, I wonder how they got that way. It couldn't be years of no appreciation, could it? I never meant to deny the trouble people have had with the support system, but bring some positive to the highly hostile attitude towards Sprint employees. The ones who take the flak aren't the ones who are causing problems. /rant
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Honestly, most of us don't care about your pleasant experience at sprint. The fact remains, the service is mediocre at best and the data is slower than my dead grandmother. Post something most can relate to in the future. Mmmk?
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b16flybye said:
Honestly, most of us don't care about your pleasant experience at sprint. The fact remains, the service is mediocre at best and the data is slower than my dead grandmother. Post something most can relate to in the future. Mmmk?
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Cool story bro you should tell it agan...
I can't relate to your "mediocre" experience at Sprint. Next time post something I can relate to yeah?

I have to say I have had nothing but good experiences with Sprint Customer Support. (crosses fingers)
A bill issue was resolved fast and easily, and a couple issues with my phones were resolved in a way I was satisfied with.
Given my interactions with Comcast, Verizon, and several other IT companies, I have to give Sprint props, as they were better then all the others, as least in my experience.
As someone that deals with IT calls from irate customers quite often, I feel that a lot of the interactions issue are as much an issue with the customer, as it is with Sprint.
As always... YMMV

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As always... YMMV
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FTW. Sometimes I get so mad at them that I want to cancel my service immediately. Other times, they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Had to go into the store, waited something like 45 minutes for an associate to help get my kids phone changed over. He was very polite and apologetic... then I've had chats where they promised the unwanted service that kept coming back....took three bill cycles to resolve....
Mostly I've had good experiences with them. But I'm low maintenance....

ive got 2 great corp. stores near me. most of the techs and front end people are rooted. i go in there and we talk about rooting, samsung and bada, apple hatred, all that good stuff. mostly nothing but good experiences here. if any one here is having trouble with sprint, try this number. no hold times, a live english speaking person, and typically, they are somewhat experienced.
877-775-4886
account services aka retentions, but they are still more than willing to help.

I Beat AT&T today!!

AT&T started throttling my data this afternoon. I kindy went up to my local AT&T store and asked to be put on the phone with customer service. Their phone was tied up so I just ended up using my cellphone and leaving it on speaker phone to amuse the customers and make the staff look ****ty. The employees thought i had no chance but little did they know I remember my contracts and agreements class from college. I never signed a contract with AT&T since i bought my own phone in and I never upgraded or even bought a phone through them. I explained to the customer rep that I am following the terms of the original plan that was provided to me. I explained to them that as long as I have not put a signature on any sort of agreement altering my account then you guys can't legally alter it without consent from me. They tried to say they could and I told think twice before you make your company look really uneducated. Then I told the lady I would like to speak to your supervisor. Oh i got transferred 12 times until this cocky idiot came on the phone. This guy tried to be a smart one when i was explaining the law to him. He said, "The company doesn't give a damn about a law." Then i said sir your conversation is being recorded on my phone as well as your company phone." He said "excuse me?" I said "you heard me fool. You are being recorded and i got you on speaker phone with about 35 people listening and taking notes." He thought i was lying so me being in the bad mood i was in i gathered 10 people around my phone and let them say something to him. The little girl sad "bad man!" She was so adorable. This elderly lady cancelled her service and told the man to go burn in hell. The rest just laughed. After I the elderly lady left went to the counter the guy was kissing butt for real. He said he will see what he can do for me. I told him I can just send Jim a text. He said Jim who. I said Jim Hood our state attorney general. He put me on hold and 5 minutes later he came back saying that i was correct and your data will be fully restored in 10 minutes. I told him we can wait together then. 5 minutes later i did a speed test and I got 6.8 mbs down and 1.58 mbs up. After that i told him i am glad that this was resolved but I will save the conversation for just encase this happens again. He said have a nice day and thanks for being an at&t customer. I said whatever and hung up. The customers actually clapped and the staff looked like someone died. I'm on cloud 9 at the moment. I think I should have went to law school instead getting into Networking and Computers.

Niceeeee
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I just print screened this original post because I am dying of laughter.
Without going too far in-depth, you were wrong. According to you, you were under no contractual agreements with AT&T, therefore, neither were they. Ergo they can change the terms of service at any point and you can decide to cease payment at any point. Both parties can do these actions sans penalty because, according to you, there are no contracts in effect.
You did not beat AT&T. They just got tired of you, which is okay.
To all others: Do not do this. AT&T will put you on hold and laugh at you. Chances of this working for anyone else are slim.

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I just print screened this original post because I am dying of laughter.
Without going too far in-depth, you were wrong. According to you, you were under no contractual agreements with AT&T, therefore, neither were they. Ergo they can change the terms of service at any point and you can decide to cease payment at any point. Both parties can do these actions sans penalty because, according to you, there are no contracts in effect.
You did not beat AT&T. They just got tired of you, which is okay.
To all others: Do not do this. AT&T will put you on hold and laugh at you. Chances of this working for anyone else are slim.
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Technically I was. They was not providing the service that I was supposed to get according to their terms. It was funny though. Most people who renew their contract actually agree to the shady terms. I was really mad because I didn't get a warning before I got throttled. And I got throttled at 3.022 gb according to the idiot on the phone. I think the rep using profanity in front of a bunch of customers got my data back on track to be honest. I am glad I used my cellphone to be honest. I was sure going to give CNN my conversation for real. I have to thanks the HTC developers for including the call recorder app in their sense roms. I think it is the RCMix rom.
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Technically I was. They was not providing the service that I was supposed to get according to their terms. It was funny though. Most people who renew their contract actually agree to the shady terms. I was really mad because I didn't get a warning before I got throttled. And I got throttled at 3.022 gb according to the idiot on the phone. I think the rep using profanity in front of a bunch of customers got my data back on track to be honest. I am glad I used my cellphone to be honest. I was sure going to give CNN my conversation for real. I have to thanks the HTC developers for including the call recorder app in their sense roms. I think it is the RCMix rom.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.

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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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Yes I did. I still have the original brochure from 2006. Those are the terms that are agreed upon. I'm sure it can be googled. The terms of the data back then basically said they can cut you off because overwhelming activity. If I was crazy and used 30gb like some customers then I wouldn't even worry about them cutting me off. They didn't follow their terms and the rep cursed during a service call. What more defense could you provide for AT&T? If you want to get down to the core of throttling it is illegal to throttle unless the service is selected for certain speeds such as what the home internet providers do. I think when some attorney general gets free time on their hands they will go after all of these mobile phone providers and penalize them heavily. Sprint, and T-Mobile are the only smart major national providers so far that are making sure that they avoid trouble in the future by being upfront about their data.
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You obviously did not read a line of those terms so, technically, you were not. I am not certain what obligations you think AT&T holds if you did not sign a contract but from my observations, it is much smaller than what you think it really is.
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The thing you don't understand is that it is classified as a product when their is no contract. The terms is what was written in 2006. A product and a service are 2 different things. That's why you see the terms prepaid service and postpaid service. They don't use product a often any more.
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OH MAN, YES! Dude you Rock! I would have loved to see this.
I love seeing AT&T get kicked in the nuts.
This throttle sh!t p!sses me off. I had a very nice rep use a dead IMEI so he could switch my grandfathered unlimited plan, which now gets throttled at 3GB's, becasue ATT refarmed the extra 2Gigs to Simple Mobile,etc.; put me on the LTE plan so I can get 5GBs which is about what I use. I would have bought an LTE device except we probably wont have LTE for another few years! Not to mention the fact Im using a malyasian Galaxy tab plus 7.0 for voice calls and data, because I dont like being force fed the bloated recycled crap options in their stores.
This is so EPIC WIN. I understand networks are changing and much more data is being used these days, but at least let us original unlmited people use a fair amount..
best read all day!
I would happily settle for a sneaky way to unthrottle oursleves, but they are doing it server side, so I dont think we will have much luck.

I will check with my ex but I'm sure that is the reason why. She is an attorney and she normally helps draw up contracts for local entertainers.
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Check out my thread. I love messing with AT&T!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25834280#post25834280

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Yes I did. I still have the original brochure from 2006. Those are the terms that are agreed upon. I'm sure it can be googled. The terms of the data back then basically said they can cut you off because overwhelming activity. If I was crazy and used 30gb like some customers then I wouldn't even worry about them cutting me off. They didn't follow their terms and the rep cursed during a service call. What more defense could you provide for AT&T? If you want to get down to the core of throttling it is illegal to throttle unless the service is selected for certain speeds such as what the home internet providers do. I think when some attorney general gets free time on their hands they will go after all of these mobile phone providers and penalize them heavily. Sprint, and T-Mobile are the only smart major national providers so far that are making sure that they avoid trouble in the future by being upfront about their data.
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The thing you don't understand is that it is classified as a product when their is no contract. The terms is what was written in 2006. A product and a service are 2 different things. That's why you see the terms prepaid service and postpaid service. They don't use product a often any more.
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Send me the contract when you have an opportunity. I am NOT distributing legal advice, however, I am speaking from the perspective of an individual who is one term from graduating from a T14 Law School. I am suggesting so as you are misleading individuals.
A SERVICE cannot be classified as a PRODUCT in any legally binding terms or agreements (it can, but is unenforceable). Regardless, that is moot as you hold no legally binding terms nor agreements with AT&T. You are still ignoring my previous comment that AT&T can shut off your service tomorrow because there are no legally binding agreements between the two parties. AT&T can throttle you anytime they would like and you can stop paying them anytime you would like as neither of you are constrained contractually.

Very nice. My mom has them for DSL and now she got a cell phone through them. I don't understand it but they suck. Good work man.
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gasolara2002 said:
AT&T started throttling my data this afternoon. I kindy went up to my local AT&T store and asked to be put on the phone with customer service. Their phone was tied up so I just ended up using my cellphone and leaving it on speaker phone to amuse the customers and make the staff look ****ty. The employees thought i had no chance but little did they know I remember my contracts and agreements class from college. I never signed a contract with AT&T since i bought my own phone in and I never upgraded or even bought a phone through them. I explained to the customer rep that I am following the terms of the original plan that was provided to me. I explained to them that as long as I have not put a signature on any sort of agreement altering my account then you guys can't legally alter it without consent from me. They tried to say they could and I told think twice before you make your company look really uneducated. Then I told the lady I would like to speak to your supervisor. Oh i got transferred 12 times until this cocky idiot came on the phone. This guy tried to be a smart one when i was explaining the law to him. He said, "The company doesn't give a damn about a law." Then i said sir your conversation is being recorded on my phone as well as your company phone." He said "excuse me?" I said "you heard me fool. You are being recorded and i got you on speaker phone with about 35 people listening and taking notes." He thought i was lying so me being in the bad mood i was in i gathered 10 people around my phone and let them say something to him. The little girl sad "bad man!" She was so adorable. This elderly lady cancelled her service and told the man to go burn in hell. The rest just laughed. After I the elderly lady left went to the counter the guy was kissing butt for real. He said he will see what he can do for me. I told him I can just send Jim a text. He said Jim who. I said Jim Hood our state attorney general. He put me on hold and 5 minutes later he came back saying that i was correct and your data will be fully restored in 10 minutes. I told him we can wait together then. 5 minutes later i did a speed test and I got 6.8 mbs down and 1.58 mbs up. After that i told him i am glad that this was resolved but I will save the conversation for just encase this happens again. He said have a nice day and thanks for being an at&t customer. I said whatever and hung up. The customers actually clapped and the staff looked like someone died. I'm on cloud 9 at the moment. I think I should have went to law school instead getting into Networking and Computers.
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?

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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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Brilliant.
:thumbup:

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Send me the contract when you have an opportunity. I am NOT distributing legal advice, however, I am speaking from the perspective of an individual who is one term from graduating from a T14 Law School. I am suggesting so as you are misleading individuals.
A SERVICE cannot be classified as a PRODUCT in any legally binding terms or agreements (it can, but is unenforceable). Regardless, that is moot as you hold no legally binding terms nor agreements with AT&T. You are still ignoring my previous comment that AT&T can shut off your service tomorrow because there are no legally binding agreements between the two parties. AT&T can throttle you anytime they would like and you can stop paying them anytime you would like as neither of you are constrained contractually.
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I got it. My ex has been an attorney for 4 years so I take what you say with good vision but experience is supreme. I was partially wrong in my argument. According to her the basis of it is consumer protection laws and AT&T's own terms. My plan which is not a contract but it is a post paid plan. Since I have never put a signature to give consent to any changes I am only held accountable for what is on the brochure for 2006. The brochure which you can find online clearly states that the provider can cut my phone off if I abuse the network in anyway. Throttling is not introduced in 2006 buddy. No one can be held accountable for a contract they never seen let alone never signed. AT&T would have to completely shutdown my phone and release me from the usage of their network according to the brochure. It can be found on google if you are looking for it. As far as misleading the community I did explain but I think most of them might understand it now. So I apologize for not clearly explaining why I can't get throttled. If you are upset because you may have gotten messed over by AT&T or you may have a part time job with them then all I can say is get over it. You are the only sore one out of the bunch.
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It's been widely reported that AT&T has a habit of throttling their so-called "unlimited" plans. You waited until it happened to you to go make a scene in an AT&T retail store?
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Yup because I thought something was wrong until I switched to my inspire then I knew I was throttled. Yes I did go to the retail store because there is an order to do things and I have learned that in order to get your voice heard you have to make them hear you. Call me crazy but I have no time to play phone tag with anyone. You can sit back if you want to and let them control you at will but with me they are going to have to stick with what was on the brochure of plans they printed for customers to stare at.
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Brilliant.
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Thank You buddy
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Verizon I love u so much please just buy out at&t for us. And cool story
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ATHORNFAM2 said:
Verizon I love u so much please just buy out at&t for us. And cool story
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I actually wish that could happen. I honestly would be with big red if their network wasn't mainly cdma. The voice coverage is the best in the business.
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gasolara2002 said:
Yup because I thought something was wrong until I switched to my inspire then I knew I was throttled. Yes I did go to the retail store because there is an order to do things and I have learned that in order to get your voice heard you have to make them hear you. Call me crazy but I have no time to play phone tag with anyone. You can sit back if you want to and let them control you at will but with me they are going to have to stick with what was on the brochure of plans they printed for customers to stare at.
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Haha, I don't have AT&T so I wouldn't really know about "letting them control you"