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[Q] Is Sprint worth keeping?

I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make

Unless Sprint comes out with a bad a$$ phone (and I mean really bad a$$), I'm probably going to jump ship and go to t-mobile or verizon once my contract is up.
Pocket posted, just not sure how...

chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.

AbsolutZeroGI said:
I left T-Mobile to come to Sprint for exactly the opposite reasons you're thinking about going.
Ehem *adjusts pedestal*
T-Mobile does have HSPA+ but it is far slower than Sprint's Wimax. Granted, you don't have Wimax yet, but when you do and you're getting less than half the speed on HSPA+ you'll understand why it was worth the wait.
Secondly, Sprint introduced the Evo in June of last year, not in January like everyone else did. The result? T-Mobile got the Moto Cliq (gag), ATT got... ... ...something and Verizon got another sequel to the Droid series. What did Sprint get 6 months later? The freaking Evo, a phone that's still a top of the line device even now. Can't say that about the CES releases from last year from the other 3.
T-Mobile does NOT get the newest and greatest Android phones. Keep in mind that the Galaxy S series went to every carrier, we got the Epic and T-Mob got the Vibrant. T-Mob got ripped off. The G2 seems like a nice device but I owned one and let me tell you something, the Evo kicks that things ass twice (twice because the G2 has two pieces...meaning 2 asses that must be kicked). The MyTouch 4g seemed nice, but it runs Expresso, not sense, which means it gets less attention than Sense will. They started Android with the G1, but Verizon and Sprint have the best Android phones (and coverage) to date. Since everyone hates Verizon because they're so damned expensive, Sprint is the clear winner when it comes to Android and service.
T-Mobile, ATT and Verizon seem like attractive choices because they're pumping out phones with new technology and things like that, but keep in mind that in the 6 months until Sprint releases their phone of the year, that technology is only going to get better...and that's what we'll be getting.
Patience, I jumped ship (yeah, paid the early termination fee and everything) from T-Mobile for a reason. They suck, their phones are AT BEST the top of the mid-range class and their "4g" is 2nd rate.
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I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out

One thing to keep in mind is that T-Mobile is planning to upgrade 2/3's of their HSPA+ network to 42 Mbps. They are claiming real world download speeds of 25 Mbps. IMO, nothing beats getting a off contract, unlocked Nexus 1/S and paying something like $5-10 for unlimited data. They do however throttle after 5 GB, so something to keep in mind.

metalfan78 said:
I also just jumped ship from t-mobile. They were expensive, coverage wasn't great and the customer service was heading down hill fast. I agree with the above post...they dont get top of the line phones, they get medium phones for teeny boppers. I had the vibrant, the g2 felt flimsy. I was going to get the mytouch 4g but it didn't blue me away either so I paid the etf and got the hell out
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G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.

For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.

new phones are coming ,they have 2
I want to see what the Evo 2 looks like, and not that cheese mini Evo

swaze said:
For me personally there is no better carrier in my area. (Baltimore) and that is the most important factor for me. I have friends on BigRed and TMob and when they come to my house and were hanging out in the basement, they can't ever get a signal while I always have 3-4 bars in my house. Plus wherever I am I have great Wimax coverage when I want to use it....avg 7-8 mbps. And there is no comparison of the price factor so I dont even need to discuss that. Im on a family plan (Wife has a EVO too) and noone else can compare to the value of what im paying, so I could care less about what others are doing. Sprints on top of the game in this area.
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No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.

Award Tour said:
No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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Good for YOU perhaps, not me or my wife.

Award Tour said:
No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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LMAO 500 minutes?!? have two teenage daughters who both text +6000 texts a month plus gab on the phone when not texting. I had Tmobile for the same type plan but without data on two out of three lines I was paying $30 more a month than I am now with sprint. And they said I was on my own when T-mobile pushed a bad update on my cliq that bricked it, even when I had insurance. I was left without a phone, sprint wouldnt do that either.

Sprint is building in a positive direction. T-Mobile isn't too bad but there service is extremely spotty. Verizon & At&t both shot themselves in the heart by locking into iPhone's.
Verizon won't hold the top spot for long with the addition of the iPhone. It really destroys customer service and Apple will limit what other smartphones they can carrier.
T-Mobile actually isn't too bad phone-wise or plan-wise but there service coverage is just tooo spotty. I believe T-Mobile and Sprint will be fighting for the top spot in the industry soon (Or might have a union planned). Reason being, they got the HD2 then Sprint says "Ohh Ohh look at me, checkmate, we've got the Evo!!"
AT&T = lost cause. I hope there cable tv can help them survive. They have too many devices and pretty much nothing that stands out. They were the last to come to the 4G party and won't be up to par anyway.
Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!

Award Tour said:
No comparison? $39.99 500 minutes + $6-7 for Web2go data, Google Voice for texting, and buy a unlocked Nexus S outright. It IS a very specific and limited choice but a great one.
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That's a good bachelor plan.
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chuckhriczko said:
I love Sprint. I always have. For what I use them for, which is primarily internet, they are the fastest. Great prices, great phones (now at least) and the fastest 3g, and though not in my area, now 4g. Plus my laptop now has 4g built in, though I'm sure you need Clear for that and not Sprint. But I digress. I don't like ATT nor do I like Verizon. I used to have T Mobile under my brother's old employee plan and though I didn't have too many problems with them their coverage was still not as good as Sprint's. However, they do have HSPA+ and they always get the newest Android phones. Plus, HSPA+ is in my area. Now, my contract is up in October some time so i'd wait till then most likely but what is everyone's opinion? Since Verizon DSL sucks ass and I work from home I need an internet connection and some 4g WiMax would be real nice when DSL kicks out on me (besides, my 3Mbps connection I pay for only yields 1.73 Mbps at the most so WiMax would be faster anyway). So the question is, especially to those who have WiMax right now and, preferably, those who have tried TMo's HSPA+ network, if WiMax is not in my area by October 2011, do I stay with Sprint and just go month to month or upgrade my phone or whatnot or do I jump ship to Tmo and get instant, multiple mobile megabit (say that three times fast) gratification?
I'm sure most of you will say Sprint and generally I would too. Especially with the unlimited mobile to mobile regardless of carrier and since my girlfriend has Sprint, Sprint is the most attractive option. But is HSPA+ right now, LTE in the future and the prospect of the coolest Android phones (and most importantly, dev phones) first worth it or is Sprint and their blazing (hey, King of Prussia, PA, after the first or second WiMax firmware update, had speeds of 7+Mbps!) fast WiMax network (which will be more mature than the others by the time they are widespread) worth waiting for? Even after Sprint gets WiMax over here, is it worth keeping or should I switch? Such a hard decision that I have 9 months to make
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Here's my comments to this:
HSPA+ on T-mobile? Cool. Except for the fact that my friend has a G2 with it and I can download apps from the market faster on Sprint's 3g than he can on HSPA+
T-mobile gets the best phones? Not really. And there's no indication they will be getting any of the CES talked phones anytime soon.
I think you're considering leaving Sprint at the wrong time.
Things are looking up. They're adding new customers for the first time in years.
They are getting real good phones that are comparable or better than the other carriers. [The Epic and Evo were considered the "best phones in the world" last year, for example]
Sprint is hands down the cheapest.
Their network coverage is second only to Verizon, and allows for free roaming on Verizon as well.
WiMax will come to your area, eventually.
I'm telling you right now though, HSPA+ is slow.
Sprint's 3g is better.
And no, I don't care about some study taken in the perfect settings, I care about reality.
HSPA+ on T-mobile with full bars is slower than Sprint's 3g with half bars.
I did the test myself.

Award Tour said:
G2, MYT4G, Nexus S - all top of the line phones when they were released. Not sure what you are talking about.
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I was referring to the crappy design of the g2(hinge), the nexus is top dog, but its a samsung and no sd card slot (wtf?) and the mt4g is great, but I was thinking about support and tmo's lack of timely upgrades. They are more geared towards the younger crowd and not towards tech heads...just my opinion

TMartin03 said:
Now we have little old Sprint. I've been a customer for over 10 years. There customer service has grown leaps and bounds over the past year or so and they have proved they want to be industry leaders. They were the first to 4G, they were the first in the US to upgrade a device to Froyo, and come February 7th they will be the first CDMA carrier with a WP7 Device (And it'll be an HTC Device too). And even with the tiny $10 addon (that I've had for 6 months anyway), I'm still $20-$30 lower than I would be for the exact same thing at any other carrier.
Long live Sprint!!
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I too have been a long time sprint customer; you hit it spot on with this post.
Sent on the go from my HTC EVO

I just came from tmob as well. I for one was pleased with their coverage and service.... for the most part. I had the N1 and damn near cried when I had to hand it over to the Sprint guy for the buy back.
However, I was getting really tired of dropping calls with my wife. That's a local coverage thing but it didn't seem to matter where she or I was, we would get disconnected a lot. We had also started to go over on our minutes which was getting rather pricey.
The last nail in the coffin was when the wife's BB9700 took a crap on her just 1 month after the warranty expired.... big surprise right?
We looked at the Vibrant. Meh. Still on 2.1 (my wife is not into modding her phone or anything so rooted roms don't count for her).
We looked at the G2. Even the tmob salesman said that the hinge mechanism was a piece of crap and didn't recommend the phone.
We looked at the Mytouch 4G. Meh. Running that horrible espresso overlay and you lose the search button for that "Genius" button that couldn't even tell me where the nearest McDonald's was.
So we went to check out Sprint. I always knew that the EVO was one of the top notch pieces of hardware out there and I'm not about to pay the retarded rates that Verizon charges.
So far, very happy with the phone. It's still not my Sexy Nexy but I've got almost all of the same stuff going on it now.
So far, mostly happy with Sprint. No BS when I call with questions. Absolutely no BS when I took my wife's EVO in because the power button wouldn't click. Still worked, just wouldn't click... They replaced it on the spot.... not the button, the whole damn phone. Coverage in my area is so-so. That's to be expected where I live though.
My biggest beef with Sprint is that I can't use data while I'm using voice. That sucks but it isn't a deal breaker.
So, to the OP, I would take a long hard look at how the two carriers compare around the time that you are looking to switch. Then I would look at the hardware available at the time. Then I would make the choice.

T-Mobile has ****-tastic service in Chicago, they blow monkey balls here. The worst building penetration, good luck getting calls in an Basement Office on T-Mobile, or inside skyscrapers. And just random dropped calls daily. I had T-Mo for 3yrs on a few different phones, and all had the same crap service. I traded in my EVO for the Nexus-S at Christmas, ( I am a cell phone addict always upgrading ) anyways, and a week later came running back to Sprint and my EVO. Nexus-S was a cool phone, just not on T-Mo.
6 months I have been on Sprint has been fantastic. Sprint in Chicago is near perfect, never a dropped call, but like once a month maybe, and I get full bars in the Sears Tower, and in Basements. Plus their monthly plan is right there with T-Mo, very good pricing, much cheaper than ATT and Verizon.
And wait until this Summer, when the best smart phone on the market comes out = EVO 2, you will be pissed your on T-Mo.
Bottom Line; yes stick with Sprint. Sprint is the best deal right now, but to me the EVO line is all they got going, which is all I care about anyways, but not many other cool phones on Sprint, the Epic 4G = epic fail, and some other dog pile phones they try to pawn off. Would be cool to see Sprint get the iPhone just to help them get more sales and a better name.

I have been getting more and more frustrated with sprint and today, actually right now the best buy rep is setting up my account with tmobile. Speak with your wallets folks.
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Here's a quick fact about 4G

AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!

the phone is called 'atrix 4g' and they are toting it as a 4g phone. How unreasonable that we might have expectations of it.. lolz

4G meaning it has the capability to do 4G! Doesn't mean it will have it right off the bat...you know when you buy the phone AT&T tells you that the 4G network isn't up. If you bought it without paying attention on what the guys told you, then it is all your fault for buying it thinking it will have 4G instantly... just give them time, AT&T is always known to have the most efficient network out of all. May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.

Mafisometal said:
..May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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someone is wrong on the internet, i'm calling the 4chan police.

1. Its not.capable of 4g. The htc thunderbolt is the only 4g phone. Do some research
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Will hspa+ even come close to Verizon's lte?
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LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed
HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.
These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time

What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?
It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.

At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
(the link isn't broken, just click on it, and wait about 5 secs.

The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc

also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)

Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.
But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.

Mafisometal said:
AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
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It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.

The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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jange said:
The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
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The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.

For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.

the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...

drock212 said:
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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neotekz said:
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.

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Not to me, an Art rep would know that Art claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time.admitting that nackhaul is far.from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the.justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".
I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.

bsinc1962 said:
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
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Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.
'But I pay for 4g speeds!'​
No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.

Afraid to stay with Sprint and get the EVO 3D.

Wow i really do want this phone badly. But i'm just so afraid of sprints 3g coverage. I can barely watch a you tube video now. Anything that involves data sucks. What good is a phone if the coverage is horrable. Plus now they are really going to get hammered with to many people on the network for them to handle. Anyone else afraid of this?

I feel the same way. I live in phoenix and their 3g here (at least around my job and home) sucks balls. My friends edge tmobile phone gets better speeds.

No cause my sprints coverage has been great
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Sprint in Sacramento is kick-ass. I'm not worried.

drmacinyasha said:
Sprint in Sacramento is kick-ass. I'm not worried.
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+1 for sactown always have full bars

I posted this in another thread but it applies here too. I get crappy 3G in my area and no 4G. They are so focused on bringing 3D phones but we can't even upload/stream regular vids to YouTube with their ****ty network. Why not roll out 4G in more cities and beef it up first? T-mobile is turning up the heat with 40mb in a few cities. This proves that sprint could turn it up as well if they wanted to.
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mob...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)
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I do wish that the new Evo did have the LTE radio, as rumored, but I get 5Mbps in my apartment on 4G, so I'm not going to complain too much. And I have no issues with my 3G in this area, either.

The thing of it is guys, is what are our options? AT&T-Mobile or Verizon. Both with data caps, sub-par customer service(at least from my experience with the GF's iphone) and high rates. There's really no other choice.
That being said, sprint absolutely needs to step up their network. My evo will never connect to 4G. i can be sitting in downtown Dallas, TX, right in the middle of the alleged 4G coverage area and never connect. Its worthless.

I've never had an issue with 3G. Wimax is another thing. It's mostly good but I hardly use it for anything. I'm almost always in Wifi when I want to download a big file anyway. Pretty sure they are going to eventually add LTE support to their towers since Wimax is ok for cheaply blanketing an area in Wifi-like coverage but isn't so great in big buildings and they are dependent on Clearwire's oversubscribed network.
For all the talk of "why are they worrying about 3D phones and stuff like that", they need to stay up on the flashy new handsets because that is what gets them subscribers. This is their chance to really make or break their company with the playing field narrowing soon. AT&T proved with the iPhone that folks will put up with all kinds of crap for a must-have handset so they need to keep putting out exclusives that stand out in the market in order to stay attractive to customers.
Moving to another company would cost me a lot more per month and add a data cap so I am not going anywhere soon. I used to have T-Mobile to fall back on if Sprint ever pissed me off but with them being bought up, it's time to double down on Sprint.

Since when does VZW have a data cap? And I dont mean some data cap that "may" come at some point down the road. At this point the data is still unlimited.

I live in KC, which is basically saying the Sprint HQ (overland park is a division of KC) and the service here could def be better. 3g is no too bad, unless you go to Overland Park. Which is funny, because your IN the campus, and service blows. 4g... you pretty much have to be downtown to really make it "better" than 3g. I too find it odd that t-mo can ramp up 3g speeds to topple our 4g. Co worker has tmo and he dominates me in d/l speed. Somehow for him that equates to his mytouch slide 4g being better than my evo, but then again he does have a wicked self idolize-ing issue.

SilverStone641 said:
The thing of it is guys, is what are our options? AT&T-Mobile or Verizon. Both with data caps, sub-par customer service(at least from my experience with the GF's iphone) and high rates. There's really no other choice.
That being said, sprint absolutely needs to step up their network. My evo will never connect to 4G. i can be sitting in downtown Dallas, TX, right in the middle of the alleged 4G coverage area and never connect. Its worthless.
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what part of downtown? i can sit over by the opera house and get 4g.

Ok guys, relax. It's one of two things if you are getting slow 3g speeds.
First, Sprint is actually growing again. In some areas it's growing so much that the existing network is at capacity. It's being addressed.
Or, it's a bug with some phones on 3.70 or 3.70 based ROMs. It's being addressed in the next update (not sure if it's going to be gingerbread or not)

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Ok guys, relax. It's one of two things if you are getting slow 3g speeds.
First, Sprint is actually growing again. In some areas it's growing so much that the existing network is at capacity. It's being addressed.
Or, it's a bug with some phones on 3.70 or 3.70 based ROMs. It's being addressed in the next update (not sure if it's going to be gingerbread or not)
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Not disagreeing at all with your points, but the max capacity is what the op is saying he's/she's afraid of. I've seen extremely slow coverage expansion of 4g in KC, while other carries have been going hard at it. It's doubtful they are expanding 3g much anymore since 4g is the "new baby." I like Sprint don't get me wrong, but if the op is more concerned with coverage, and the fact that we face $10 a month for 4g coverage, he may very well be better off with another carrier.

You all act like Sprint could revamp their entire network overnight if they wanted. I know for fact they are working on it, and I see signs of improvement all the time. I can get 2Mb downloads now on 3g in several locations in my city where 2-3 months ago I was lucky to get 200k. Maybe they could make people happier faster in the short term by taking shortcuts, but it looks like they're doing it right. So have patience or gtfo.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19

xviiivx said:
You all act like Sprint could revamp their entire network overnight if they wanted. I know for fact they are working on it, and I see signs of improvement all the time. I can get 2Mb downloads now on 3g in several locations in my city where 2-3 months ago I was lucky to get 200k. Maybe they could make people happier faster in the short term by taking shortcuts, but it looks like they're doing it right. So have patience or gtfo.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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Well if it's ok in your city then that should be ok for everyone worldwide then. Try growing up before posting please.

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Since when does VZW have a data cap? And I dont mean some data cap that "may" come at some point down the road. At this point the data is still unlimited.
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lol there unlimited, but we can and have canceled customers for using more then 5 gb a month without a tethering plan unlimited?

aimbdd said:
lol there unlimited, but we can and have canceled customers for using more then 5 gb a month without a tethering plan unlimited?
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Supposedly Sprint also has a "cap." Never seen it myself, but that "rumor" has gone around a bit.

I feel the exact same way. My 3g is terrible, I get anywhere from 200-700 MAX DOWN and about 400 UP. No 4g at all. :/
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Well if it's ok in your city then that should be ok for everyone worldwide then. Try growing up before posting please.
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Try growing up?? WTF??? Did you not click on the link to see that I was trying to provide some hope for people that are not in a good data area?
I did not even say it was ok in my city... I said there are signs of improvement and there are places that are great. I was just trying to help people out who think the network sux everywhere and Sprint is not doing anything about it anywhere... because that is wrong. They are working on it diligently.
Perhaps my "have patience or gtfo" comment was a little rude, but that sums up the situation here. The network sux. It's getting better. If you can't wait for the improvements, complaining on xda is not going to do anything for you.

I hate At&t

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/us-tmobile-att-lawsuits-idUSTRE77G59020110817
I know there's already a thread for this, but this article just seems too important for me.
Is At&t violating our rights? Somebody answer this for me.

don't know, but I just posted a thread about my complaint against AT&T today.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=261
but apparently if the firm wins and we sign up, I think we can get $10,000
http://www.fightthemerger.com/FAQ/

Agreed.
I have heard from friends and customers as well how horrible att&t's reception can be, however i am not sure about customer service.
I have Verizon for a for my cell and Bellsouth for my home, I used to have att&t a long time ago.

I'm happy with at&t. Great customer service and great reception!. But why does everyone want to fight the merge? If anything it will boost t mobile
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I guess that depends on where you live. I was on AT&T less than a month ago and I can't say that I miss it. The service where I spent most of my time in was pretty bad. Calling coverage was somewhat ok around my work, but 3G was downright terrible. I could have a full row of bars on 3G and somehow still not be able to get on the web haha. My house was even worse. I'd usually have 1-2 bars, but it was almost a guaranteed drop call unless I sat right next to the window at the front of my house. Can't really comment on the customer service though, since I never really bothered to call.
Not really looking forward to the merge, but I'll reevaluate my options once my T-Mo contract expires. Maybe the merge will be a good thing. Maybe not. We'll see.

At&t kept the iphone exclusively for its own company for how many years?
Alot of my friends who are on T-mobile did so specifically because T-mobile has a better selection of phone plans for the working class. And I feel like they're not trying to screw me over with excess charges.
Back in the day, if you didn't like At&t, then fine, you still had T-mobile. But now it's not even possible to fight back against the merger.

trell959 said:
I'm happy with at&t. Great customer service and great reception!. But why does everyone want to fight the merge? If anything it will boost t mobile
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I'm against the merger because compared to T-mobile EVERYTHING ABOUT AT&T SUCKS! Their prices, customer service, phone selection...I mean AT&T ONLY RECENTLY got the Nexus S....I've had it on T-Mobile since Dec....
Silly people are silly.

I had T-Mobile for over 8 years and a year ago i switched to AT&T and got my captivate. I can say that I get much better 3g coverage, and much better 3g speeds in general. Yeah customer service isn't exactly the best but they help me with any issues I've had with them so far. But I am in the LA/OC area so I'm sure this is one of their most developed networks. But I remember on T-Mobile I would be stuck on Edge about half the time.

Everyone is different...but in MY AREA...T-Mo beats AT&T BY A MILE especially in coverage AND speed...not to mention I have the option to pay 60$ for 10GBs versus AT&T and their crappy 4GB for 45$....or I could stay with 5GB for 20$
#justsayin
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I ran away to Sprint... >.>;
Real unlimited, and wimax is fast around here.

synaesthetic said:
I ran away to Sprint... >.>;
Real unlimited, and wimax is fast around here.
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I wish I got 4g here. Sprint has been great other then that. Never had an issue that I couldn't get taken care of in a few minutes.

Do you trust Sprint's LTE plans?

Like many other original Evo 4G owners, I'm now looking for the next phone as my contract is about to be over. And luckily enough, we have 2 new devices coming soon - HTC One X (or Evo One) to be revealed on 4th, and Galaxy SIII sometime soon.
Obviously the next phone will be LTE, but I don't know if Sprint can be trusted to give me coverage. Verizon already has LTE pretty much everywhere and its damn fast. Sprint is losing lots of money, who knows if they'll ever catch up. It's also not known if Sprint users will be able to roam on LTE.

im in the same situation and wondering the same thing. i guess we will have to just wait and see?
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I am most likely going to be getting the htc evo one too. never seen such a beautiful phone lol

I trust Sprint's LTE plans.

It is a very aggressive roll out plan. If it does not work the repercussions could be huge.
I know personally I am going to stick with Sprint. If it takes a little while to get LTE in my area I know I still have 3G with a good plan.
I'm debating holding off on a new phone until towards the end of the year so there is time to get the LTE going.

Nope, don't trust them at all. Will believe in their LTE coverage when it's available in my area, already got burned once with Wimax.

According to the release maps, my area isn't slated to get LTE til at least the end of 2013. And that's not even technically my area, just a few cities around here, so I might not even get it at all. I am REALLY considering moving to Verizon next month, even though it will cost me at least 60 bucks more a month. But they do have working 4g everywhere in my area, AND 3g speeds that aren't sprint's dial-up speeds.

Just a little info for you guys about lte. When you look at a verison lte coverage map what your really looking at is the data coverage zone,not actual lte coverage. They have been caught doing this several times. Verison will admit that the map you look at is not actual lte coverage but data. Plus who wants a $130 monthly bill and no real unlimited. If you've never had them do yourself a favor and stay away.
Google it, you'll be surprised how they screw you,tell you about it then keep telling lies.
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Being completely selfish here, but Atlanta has great Wimax coverage, so I'm fine if the LTE takes a long time to roll out. That said, I definitely don't believe Sprint (or any tech/mobile company) when they give dates for service/product improvements. Also, I will never go back to a provider with data caps. I use my phone for almost everything. I watch tons of stuff on Netflix, I wifi tether my laptop when I'm out and about (and my wife's Ipad when she needs a wifi connection), GPS Nav, Pandora/Last.fm music, skype video chat, etc. I would hit that 2GB-4GB cap in a matter of days.

Sleestax said:
Being completely selfish here, but Atlanta has great Wimax coverage, so I'm fine if the LTE takes a long time to roll out. That said, I definitely don't believe Sprint (or any tech/mobile company) when they give dates for service/product improvements. Also, I will never go back to a provider with data caps. I use my phone for almost everything. I watch tons of stuff on Netflix, I wifi tether my laptop when I'm out and about (and my wife's Ipad when she needs a wifi connection), GPS Nav, Pandora/Last.fm music, skype video chat, etc. I would hit that 2GB-4GB cap in a matter of days.
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Yea 4g coverage is amazing here in atlanta but I never use it even tho I'm full bars on 4g. It kills your battery to bad and I'm always on WiFi and 3g isn't that bad
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The fact of the matter is; when sprint's 3G is back up and running as good as it used to, it's plenty fast enough for almost anything you will be doing on your phone, including streaming Netflix, downloads, etc. Network vision is supposed to be a major improvement so I would have to assumed that the upgraded 3G on it's own would be more than capable of satisfying most data needs. I say this because right before the HTC EVO was released I was consistantly getting between 2 - 3mb download speeds on Sprint's 3G with the much lower spec'd HTC Touch Pro, Blackberry curve, and even the Palm Pre. Once the EVO came out it was like somebody turned off the light switch and 3G went to total crap overnight and never come back since. Just my opinion. I'm going to wait it out and see how the Network Vision performs before I bail or go to a different carrier with much more expensive and capped data plans. i'd advise others to do the same.

I do. After the less than stellar WiMax move, and them not exactly being in the best position, I expect a strong push. Remains to be seen, but I'm looking for a solid next step.
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The only thing I trust from Sprint is that my plan will remain 30 dollars cheaper than the other guys. I don't trust any sort of data speed at all from them, haha. If I were rich, I would be on Verizon.

I plan on giving them until May 7th (i can leave ETF free at that point)
If they don't have some decent phone offerings or significant LTE advancement, i'm going to AT&T with my wife. The speeds in Texas are insane and since i've gotten used to using WIFI while on sprint, a 5gb limit on mobile data with ATT should be no problem.

I don't trust them totally. With two different companies that went bust I hope they do something good.

personally i am sceptical, but i think that they should know that a botched LTE rollout would infuriate many customers. A lot of us got screwed with the whole Wimax deal. We got our nice new phones(Evo 4G) and had to pay an extra $10/month for "premium data", not 4G coverage, which never came to most areas. The kicker is if you call sprint and mention anything aboiut their 4G coverage or 3G speeds, they will tell you "go to another carrier". they know damn well they are the only ones offering unlimited and unthrottled data, and they sure do use that to their advantage.
But back to the topic at hand... I think if Sprint wants to stay competative, they MUST stay on track with their 4G rollout.

Well....
Since Baltimore is one of the scheduled first cities, I can't wait! But I will not be surprised if the unlimited plan goes up $10. Despite Verizon and AT&T having LTE first, they still have limitations on usage and data. We shall soon see.

well i hope dis LTE is batter then dis weak 4g

Sprint confirms LTE phones will feature unlimited data.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/03/sprint-lte-unlimited-data-everything-plan/

I wanted to switch to Verizon as they have lte in Bakersfield but my mom pays the bill at the moment so I'm stuck going to att getting the galaxy note. I would switch screw sprint I've been a customer since 2004 and now seeing everyone else with their new phones and 3g that actually hits pass 1meg.... I'm switching
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dbenney said:
personally i am sceptical, but i think that they should know that a botched LTE rollout would infuriate many customers. A lot of us got screwed with the whole Wimax deal. We got our nice new phones(Evo 4G) and had to pay an extra $10/month for "premium data", not 4G coverage, which never came to most areas. The kicker is if you call sprint and mention anything aboiut their 4G coverage or 3G speeds, they will tell you "go to another carrier". they know damn well they are the only ones offering unlimited and unthrottled data, and they sure do use that to their advantage.
But back to the topic at hand... I think if Sprint wants to stay competative, they MUST stay on track with their 4G rollout.
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They never tell me to go to another carrier. And they know their 3g sucks as I called and gave them **** over that. I would rather go to Verizon pay a little extra and actually get to use the lte network than being stuck with the slowest network offering unlimited data, you can't even use the damn data it's so slow
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