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Simultaneous Voice and Data Connection???

Hey guys, I am not sure if I am missing something in the settings or what, but for some reason, when i am talking on the phone I cannot connect to the internet. My HSDPA connection turns off. Once I hang up, it reconnects. I thought the X1 was capable of doing simultaneous voice and data connects. What causes this? And is there a way to enable both voice and data connects at the same time? Thanks!

boy I explain this a lot
simultaneous voice and data have been available since the first gprs phone
it was the reason gprs was invented rather then dialup data over gsm
but if the operators hardware in the centrals don't support it no phone or setting
can change that
i'be been doing in on my old himalaya gprs phone for ages
and now on my x1 never had any problems

Well, I can do it on my old 3G phone, but not on my X1a. AT&T has allowed this for years, I know that. I just want to know if there is a way I might have accidentally turned it off or something.

Mine won't do it either. My Xperia kicks on the Wifi and continues PUSH email delivery through when ever I have the phone in use. BUT, my blackberry and iPhone would both not allow voice and data at once. It may have to do with T-mobile's settings where I am though.

I have the same issue with T-MO network.

you mean like talking on the phone and continuing surfing the net?

leobox1 said:
you mean like talking on the phone and continuing surfing the net?
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Exactly. My internet gets "put on hold" for the duration of the phone call.

I face this when i have a GPRS/EDGE coverage, but when connected to 3G/3.5G/H it's ok, i can make both without problems

anaadoul said:
I face this when i have a GPRS/EDGE coverage, but when connected to 3G/3.5G/H it's ok, i can make both without problems
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I would like to expand this...
anaadoul is correct. In fact, regular GPRS cannot send data simultaneously as the voice call.
EDGE can SOMETIMES do so if the carrier's tower/cell supports this, but not all do, so while EDGE provides faster data connection, you may or may NOT get simultaneous data and voice. This is my experience at least. I think EDGE is always supposed to support simultaneous voice/data but my experience shows otherwise.
This is one of the primary reasons I am using a 3G network and 3G phone now. 3.5G/H while providing faster data, have no difference in regards to simultaneous voice data, but do use more power/battery so if I know I'm going to be out a long, long time, I turn H/3.5G off.
For me, it is VERY important I can use data and voice at the same time. I have my phone checking mail every 10 minutes, and it takes about 10-30 seconds to successfully check mail, so that means every 10 minutes, if an incoming call arrives, it'll go straight to voicemail and I miss it. That is not acceptable.
Plus, if I receive a business call, I can check mail, open up websites, etc. WHILE i am on the call. You have no idea how useful that is.

johnchan78 said:
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anaadoul is correct. In fact, regular GPRS cannot send data simultaneously as the voice call.
EDGE can SOMETIMES do so if the carrier's tower/cell supports this, but not all do, so while EDGE provides faster data connection, you may or may NOT get simultaneous data and voice. This is my experience at least. I think EDGE is always supposed to support simultaneous voice/data but my experience shows otherwise.
This is one of the primary reasons I am using a 3G network and 3G phone now. 3.5G/H while providing faster data, have no difference in regards to simultaneous voice data, but do use more power/battery so if I know I'm going to be out a long, long time, I turn H/3.5G off.
For me, it is VERY important I can use data and voice at the same time. I have my phone checking mail every 10 minutes, and it takes about 10-30 seconds to successfully check mail, so that means every 10 minutes, if an incoming call arrives, it'll go straight to voicemail and I miss it. That is not acceptable.
Plus, if I receive a business call, I can check mail, open up websites, etc. WHILE i am on the call. You have no idea how useful that is.
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allow me to agree/disagree with you on some points.
imo, Edge doesn't support simultaneous call/data, except some devices that have some dual GSM radio as both operate on the same radio device level.
afaik the technology of 3G+ is different, the voice itself is not being transmitted as GSM signal, it's converted into a something similar to VOIP (that what makes Video Call Happens), a phone call uses one channel for audio transmit, the good thing is that the archetecture of 3G+ is designed to have multiple simultaneous connections to the tower cell, this will allow more transfer bandwidth, while this makes you able to browse and talk at the same time, it also puts more load on the cell (the cell can accept a certain fixed number of connections depending on the location and population of the area) resulting on people getting Network Busy Error!
so the result is a data connection is dropped if the cell is full in order to take a phone call.
what makes 3G+ really fast is that it can open milti channels with the cell, allowing more allocated bandwidth (we all know it reaches up to 7.2mbps).
3G+ consumes LESS power imo than GPRS/EDGE (Data connection only, voice calls consumes more on 3G+) as 3G+ will close all active connections when there is no application transferring (see the H icon disappearing when no application is downloading anything and 3G/3.5G icon is there, once an internet request is made it will go back to H).
so the result i think as follows
GPRS/EDGE : Low battery consumption for voice calls, High for Data & No simultaneous Call & Data.
3G/3.5G/HSDPA : Higher battery consumption for voice calls, Low for Data & Supports simultaneous Call & Data.
btw, i am connected to my Company's exchange server using Microsoft Direct Push. when the connection is G or E, i loose my battery more quicker than 3G/3.5G/H
even i have noticed that 3G+ consumes way less power that WiFi (now my email is synced over the air even in the office so my battery won't die quickly. don't worry i have a huge data plan )
please correct me if i'm wrong, all my information above is based on personal experiance
cheers

Well, I don't know if this will work for everyone but I fixed my issue. I just called my voicemail and put it on speakerphone in order to keep the voice connection open. Then I tried surfing with Opera a few times. The first few times it wouldn't connect, but then suddenly my phone beeped twice and I got the connection window saying my 3G was connecting. At first I thought I had just forced it but in retrospect, I think I just had a bad signal and had just connected to my 3G network. Thanks for all the info guys!

k20z3_si said:
suddenly my phone beeped twice and I got the connection window saying my 3G was connecting.
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Call dropped maybe?!
try this,
Start -> Settings -> Phone -> Band
1.Set network type to WCDMA
2.Set GSM/UMTS band to UMTS
these forces your device into a 3G+ network
3.open commManager from start menu
4.turn dataconnection ON
5.Make a call
6.try browsing
7.Post Here
cheers

anaadoul said:
allow me to agree/disagree with you on some points.
imo, Edge doesn't support simultaneous call/data, except some devices that have some dual GSM radio as both operate on the same radio device level.
afaik the technology of 3G+ is different, the voice itself is not being transmitted as GSM signal, it's converted into a something similar to VOIP (that what makes Video Call Happens), a phone call uses one channel for audio transmit, the good thing is that the archetecture of 3G+ is designed to have multiple simultaneous connections to the tower cell, this will allow more transfer bandwidth, while this makes you able to browse and talk at the same time, it also puts more load on the cell (the cell can accept a certain fixed number of connections depending on the location and population of the area) resulting on people getting Network Busy Error!
so the result is a data connection is dropped if the cell is full in order to take a phone call.
what makes 3G+ really fast is that it can open milti channels with the cell, allowing more allocated bandwidth (we all know it reaches up to 7.2mbps).
3G+ consumes LESS power imo than GPRS/EDGE (Data connection only, voice calls consumes more on 3G+) as 3G+ will close all active connections when there is no application transferring (see the H icon disappearing when no application is downloading anything and 3G/3.5G icon is there, once an internet request is made it will go back to H).
so the result i think as follows
GPRS/EDGE : Low battery consumption for voice calls, High for Data & No simultaneous Call & Data.
3G/3.5G/HSDPA : Higher battery consumption for voice calls, Low for Data & Supports simultaneous Call & Data.
btw, i am connected to my Company's exchange server using Microsoft Direct Push. when the connection is G or E, i loose my battery more quicker than 3G/3.5G/H
even i have noticed that 3G+ consumes way less power that WiFi (now my email is synced over the air even in the office so my battery won't die quickly. don't worry i have a huge data plan )
please correct me if i'm wrong, all my information above is based on personal experiance
cheers
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I agree... 3G and 3G+ seem to consume LESS battery than WIFI!
As for Edge, my experience is that I never could get simultaneous voice/data, but you're right, both the cell AND the phone need to support this function. I dont think our Xperia's hardware actually supports this at all. When I switched to using the Xperia I had purposely changed to a 3G network to take advantage of the 3G/3G+ capabilities it has.

i am quite sure that GPRS does not support simultaneous... everytime i call, a "cancel" icon appeared

I called AT&T to see if they support simultaneous Data and Voice and they said they do, but your phone has to as well. The X1 supports it also, so I just think I wasn't asble to do so because I was only in GPRS, not 3G.

leobox1 said:
i am quite sure that GPRS does not support simultaneous... everytime i call, a "cancel" icon appeared
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It doesn't. We already stated that above. anaadoul and me already stated that above.

4G and WiFi Not Compatible?

I had been having problems getting 4G at home and just noticed that if I turn off WiFi, 4G pops right up and as soon as I re-enable WiFi (which connects to my home network) 4G disconnects. Has anyone seen this behavior? When you think about it, it makes perfect sense, and since both are enabled to connect when the other one isn't, the flip-flop is automatic. But it surprised me.

its probably because sprints 4G is based on WIFI. or it just cuts off 4G cus you dont need it anymore

I believe it works the same way as WiFi and EVDO works on older phones. When you turn on WiFi it will use that as your data connection instead of EVDO regardless if it is a crappy WiFi connection.
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Sent via the Sprint HTC EVO

Yeah, it's actually pretty cool, but if you don't know about it, it gets frustrating. I called Sprint customer service and he had me go through the battery out/in routine and go outside and try, etc. So maybe they don't know about it either!
But it makes sense for Sprint, since their data plan is unlimited and they want to avoid network overloading (are you listening AT&T? LOL). The only thing you miss on WiFi are location-based sevices that rely on GPS (navigation, some weather products, etc.).

dkdontforget said:
its probably because sprints 4G is based on WIFI. or it just cuts off 4G cus you dont need it anymore
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WiFi and 802.16e aren't all that similar. LOTS of differences between the protocols.
Maybe there's some isolation problems on your device as Sprint is using their 2.5 GHz spectrum holdings for their 4G network.

4g network and 3g network both will shut off when enabling wifi. Why have 2 forms of data going at the same time? Its not gunna use both to double your speeds.
You wont lose any GPS features. Turn on wifi and load up Google Maps, it will find your location exact.
When making calls and sending text it uses 1x so you will still receive everything except for MMS. Maybe they fixed it to where you can receive them even when on wifi with the Evo, not 100% sure.

4g and WiFi are both data only connections. You don't need two data connections simultaneously so it is smart enough to auto disable one to save battery. It would also cause routing problems.

Every phone does this LOL When you switch on Wifi they turn off 2g,3g,4g etc because you can't use 2 data connections at the same time.
I'm curious why you would want 4g and wifi on at the same time?

I thought this was pretty common knowledge (on any Android phone)... And I also thought it was done for battery conservation reasons as much as anything else. WiFi's a simpler point to point connection and from what I understand it sucks less power than 3G or 4G which is constantly checking for additional cell towers in case you've moved, etc.
If you're at home or at work w/a stable WiFi connection you should be able to preserve more battery power by using it, within the settings you can even set it so the phone doesn't revert to 3G when it goes to sleep (the default setting IIRC), otherwise it does this and only jumps back to WiFi when you wake it ('till you're out of range anyway).

I agree with all the comments. And if the Sprint Customer Service guys had said, "Hey, you idiot...it's supposed to do that," then I wouldn't have posted. But the fact that he was as stumped as I was prompted me to post (we all know that Sprint gets all it's info from reading these forums...LOL).

3G mode not working sometimes

Have had this phone a coupla months, happy with it except the stupid GPS problem and some other connection problem.
When using wifi connection at home, if i stop browsing and close the screen for a few minutes and go back to surf internet, the wifi will stop working, turning wifi off and on again will make it work. Not too difficult but sometimes this feels sucks.
second problem is, occationally i will lose the "3G" or "H" sign on the top and cannot connect to internet using 3G data connection. i have no idea why this is happening. sometimes when i am out on street, try to check some information online, 3g is my only option and it really bothers me when it stops working. i'm using orange. all setting are as original.
Anyone knows how to solve these 2 problems?

the phone either works on
850/1900/2100
or
900/1900/2100
so depending on the model that you purchased
and where you live
also the cell phone provider that you are using
you might not get the full band usage of your phone
for example using the above models on a phone service that only uses
1700/1900/2100
then you are cripled
some telcos only use 1 band or 2 bands at most
1700 or 2100 for example

ehe12 said:
Have had this phone a coupla months, happy with it except the stupid GPS problem and some other connection problem.
When using wifi connection at home, if i stop browsing and close the screen for a few minutes and go back to surf internet, the wifi will stop working, turning wifi off and on again will make it work. Not too difficult but sometimes this feels sucks.
second problem is, occationally i will lose the "3G" or "H" sign on the top and cannot connect to internet using 3G data connection. i have no idea why this is happening. sometimes when i am out on street, try to check some information online, 3g is my only option and it really bothers me when it stops working. i'm using orange. all setting are as original.
Anyone knows how to solve these 2 problems?
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3g nodes and 2g bts wont give you the same area coverage, yes you will lose the H and drop down to 3g if your -db rating (signal is low) is at the highest limit for the cell and it deems you either need handing off to another site or you were one of the last ones to be allocated a slot and get kicked.
its how the cookie crumbles, no where will give you 100% coverage and if u are close to a small site thats overloaded with traffic you will always get crappy uplink and downlink...
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I dont know where you are or what provider you use, but I have the same problem with my I900M on bell. it is apparently a widely known issue with Bell, and they associated my phone with the ongoing ticket incase it gets resolved they'll contact me.
Also, when I lose the 3g, ts a good chance my phone is going to lock up and need a battery pull to boot back up.
So Basically if I leave the house or wifi spot, I try not to show people my internet on my phone so it doesnt look like I'm carrying a brick in my pocket everywhere.

anarchyuk said:
3g nodes and 2g bts wont give you the same area coverage, yes you will lose the H and drop down to 3g if your -db rating (signal is low) is at the highest limit for the cell and it deems you either need handing off to another site or you were one of the last ones to be allocated a slot and get kicked.
its how the cookie crumbles, no where will give you 100% coverage and if u are close to a small site thats overloaded with traffic you will always get crappy uplink and downlink...
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so that's something to do with the carrier? Thanks for the explanation!

[Q] Dropping data connection

anyone experiencing data drops particularly when the phone is in weak 4G coverage? It acts like it cant switch between 4G and 3G. sometimes it might take 5 min or more before it will reconnect to data. the phone works fine when it is in a strong signal area. So far I have just experienced this behavior in low signal coverage.

Yesss! Experienced that yesterday. But came back on in 5 min. Usually fixed when u go to settings and switch from the lte to GSM and back to lte but haven't had trouble with it today
Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk 2

check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1893010
has links to other threads as well
Yours is the first case I've seen where data drops altogether, most have just been going back to 3G too often.

jntdroid said:
check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1893010
has links to other threads as well
Yours is the first case I've seen where data drops altogether, most have just been going back to 3G too often.
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I am having the no data issue as well! I leave my house (on wifi and supposedly 3G or 4G) and I want to start listening to music immediately in my car but I have no data connection once wifi is off. It can take over a minute or more to get a data connection! I was wondering if this had to do with LTE protocol negotiation, as this is my first 4G phone. However it seems way too slow and its very aggravating. When it does get data back, it is usually 4G not 3G. Toggling data mode on and off doesn't fix it. I have not yet tried toggling between CDMA and GSM.

emkman said:
I am having the no data issue as well! I leave my house (on wifi and supposedly 3G or 4G) and I want to start listening to music immediately in my car but I have no data connection once wifi is off. It can take over a minute or more to get a data connection! I was wondering if this had to do with LTE protocol negotiation, as this is my first 4G phone. However it seems way too slow and its very aggravating. When it does get data back, it is usually 4G not 3G. Toggling data mode on and off doesn't fix it. I have not yet tried toggling between CDMA and GSM.
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does it only happen when you're leaving wifi and going to cell data?

My experience with data connection was spotty for the first couple days. Going from WiFi into 4G then 3G on the way to work required a reboot to pick up the 3G after I arrived.
I think I may have found my issue.
Settings -> More... -> Mobile Networks -> Network Mode
Was originally set to "Global". I've found that "LTE/CDMA" works better for me.
hope this helps some.

4.4.4 Tethering Stops During Phone Calls

I haven't seen any reports of bluetooth or wifi tethering not working while in a phone call but that is what is happening to my nexus 4. I'm using Purity rom with a hybrid radio and have LTE enabled. Whenever I make a phone call, the data connection type letter on the signal bars in the notification drop down disappears. It's like the data connection completely stops.
If I am not tethering and make a phone call, the data connection type letter stays active and I can use the connection with various apps. It only seems to cut out when I am tethering with either bluetooth or wifi. Is this a normal problem? I was thinking I might have to apply the tmobile tethering fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...s-4-lte-lte-tethering-hotspot-t2416822/page41
to fix it but wasn't sure it was still really necessary in 4.4.4 or that this problem was even related. I thought that fix was for if you kept being redirected to the upgrade page of tmobile. My plan is truly unlimited 4g (not the 2gb of high speed data then throttling down to 2g speeds) and tethering is included. I'm not being redirected anywhere. The data connection just stops. I was thinking this was a problem with 4.4.4 since it has never happened to me on other versions.

I'm pretty sure that the way Mobile data works makes it impossible to both call and receive data at the same time.

Mine does the same thing on my sprint galaxy note 4. I am rooted using the native tether (unpaid). As soon as I receive a call, tether looses connection and stops.
I'm coming from a sprint galaxy note 2 with the same setup. I've never had this problem in the past. I was able to tether and use other apps during calls. The only difference, from what I can tell, is that my note 2 said "4g",and my note 4 says "LTE". Help please....
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