Samsung truly is the leader in technology, especially screen technology
Introducing the:
"The First Full-Color Display with Quantum Dots"
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Researchers at Samsung Electronics have made the first full-color display that uses quantum dots. Quantum-dot displays promise to be brighter, cheaper, and more energy-efficient than those found in today's cell phones and MP3 players.
Samsung's four-inch diagonal display is controlled using an active matrix, which means each of its color quantum-dot pixels is turned on and off with a thin-film transistor. The researchers have made the prototype on glass as well as on flexible plastic, as reported in Nature Photonics this week. "We have converted a scientific challenge into a real technological achievement," says Jong Min Kim, a fellow at the Samsung Advanced Institute of Technology.
Quantum dots are semiconductor nanocrystals that glow when exposed to current or light. They emit different colors depending on their size and the material they're made from. Their bright, pure colors and low power consumption make them very appealing for displays. Most computer monitors and TVs use power-hungry liquid-crystal displays (LCDs). Organic light-emitting diode (OLED) displays are more brilliant and energy-efficient, but are confined to small gadgets because they are too expensive for TV screens, and their organic materials have limited lifetimes.
Quantum-dot displays would consume less than a fifth of the power of LCDs, says Samsung researcher Tae-Ho Kim. They promise to be brighter and longer-lasting than OLEDs. What's more, they could be manufactured for less than half of what it costs to make LCD or OLED screens.
This potential has caught the attention of big display manufacturers other than Samsung. LG Display is partnering with MIT spinoff QD Vision to develop quantum-dot displays.
To make their prototype, the Samsung researchers start by coating a solution of quantum dots on a silicon plate and evaporating the solvent. Then they gently press a rubber stamp with a ridged surface into the quantum-dot layer, peel it off, and then press it on the desired glass or plastic substrate. This transfers stripes of quantum dots onto the substrate.
In a color display, each pixel contains red, green, and blue subpixels. These colors are combined in varying intensities to produce millions of colors. By using their stamping technique over and over, the researchers can create a repeated pattern of red, green, and blue stripes.
They transfer the stripes directly onto an array of thin-film transistors. The transistors are made of amorphous hafnium-indium-zinc oxide, which provide higher, more stable current than conventional amorphous-silicon transistors. The resulting display has subpixels that are about 50 micrometers wide and 100 micrometers long, small enough for use in cell-phone screens.
"This is a powerful demonstration," says Seth Coe-Sullivan, cofounder and chief technology officer of QD Vision. "The individual technology elements aren't necessarily new. Samsung definitely did a lot of good engineering to put all the pieces together in an impressive way."
He cautions, though, that there are many more research and engineering issues to be solved, and that quantum-dot displays are still at least three years away from commercialization. The best quantum-dot devices are still not as power-efficient as OLEDs. They also need to last longer—right now, they start losing their brightness after about 10,000 hours. Finally, researchers will have to develop ways to manufacture them at low cost and large scale.
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Does this mean the new generation of Galaxy S (next year) will features a quad-core CPU/GPU, samsung's new 4gb powerful and efficient dram, and an ultra-super-mega-quantum display?
The future is looking bright my friends
Well the article you quoted said they are at least 3 years away from commercial viability, so I think the answer to your question is no.
to my best guess... it'll be 2015 ~ 2018 before we see that new technology hit the street level
Sounds (looks) really good on the eyes.
AllGamer said:
to my best guess... it'll be 2015 ~ 2018 before we see that new technology hit the street level
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Agreed ...............
troed said:
Agreed ...............
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Problem?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/nanophotonica-develops-s-qled-oled-to-develop-inferiority-compl/
Ahh, the wonders of OLED -- flexible displays, great viewing angles, and low power consumption. However, the folks at NanoPhotonica have "perfected" a quantum dot display technology called S-QLED that allegedly has superior picture quality, uses 30 percent less power, and costs three-quarters less than its OLED competition. The company is gearing up for mass production and is in talks with several OEMs to start producing S-QLED displays, but unfortunately there's no timetable for when they'll get to market. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to see just how perfect these QLEDs really are.
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it'll be nice if they start mass producing them, until then it's still lab prototypes expensive to produce
AllGamer said:
to my best guess... it'll be 2015 ~ 2018 before we see that new technology hit the street level
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Yup, read the article this is 3 years away, they need to milk what they are marketing now for a;ll it is worth
Nanophotonica is apparently 17 months away from mass production. I for one, am leaping on the IPO train for that one! Hell, maybe it'll buy me a new smart phone like Universal Display did (and then some of course) after making returns for shareholders on their OLED manufacturing processes that were put into the phone that I subsequently purchased with the returns. AKA, the Samsung Galaxy S which used their screen component technology. Nothing beats free, and I always buy unlocked as I hate contracts.
I'd suggest keeping an eye out because something like this is going to give along the lines of a 10-15X gain if they have enough patents on the technology.
Interesting?
Interesting? Maybe even related?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-Samsung-lawsuit-a-battle-over-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-and-the-iPhone-5-both-slated-for-fall-release_id18446
Doesn't make sense legally to sue a company over a product that it hasn't released... how does apple know exactly what samsung will put into their future phones?
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Interesting? Maybe even related?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-Samsung-lawsuit-a-battle-over-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-and-the-iPhone-5-both-slated-for-fall-release_id18446
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the article is OOOOOOOOOOLD and has been mentioned here before.
and to the above poster ^^^ the article says Apple is affraid of the SGS3 that Sam is prepping to fight the imminent iP5, so they are hoping this law suit will make Sam change designs for SGS3 and make it less competitive.
Early 2012
While all eyes are on Android heavyweights, the Samsung Galaxy S2 and Motorola Droid Bionic, to take on Android's biggest smartphone rival the iPhone 5, there may be more stiffer competition for Apple sooner than expected. Samsung Galaxy S3 (confirmed for early 2012)
According to J.K. Shin, president of Samsung's mobile division, the Samsung Galaxy S3 will launch in early 2012. So what can we expect from the Samsung Galaxy S3. CNET states, "nothing less than a quad-core processor, a super-bright AMOLED 3D screen, a 12-megapixel dual camera, some augmented reality shenanigans, and of course NFC. It should certainly have the next version of Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, on board."
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While all eyes are on Android heavyweights, the Samsung Galaxy S2 and Motorola Droid Bionic, to take on Android's biggest smartphone rival the iPhone 5, there may be more stiffer competition for Apple sooner than expected. Samsung Galaxy S3 (confirmed for early 2012)
According to J.K. Shin, president of Samsung's mobile division, the Samsung Galaxy S3 will launch in early 2012. So what can we expect from the Samsung Galaxy S3. CNET states, "nothing less than a quad-core processor, a super-bright AMOLED 3D screen, a 12-megapixel dual camera, some augmented reality shenanigans, and of course NFC. It should certainly have the next version of Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, on board."
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Which means it'll be for sale in May/June just like the SGS1 and SGS2 were. It's next year's phone.
Please to be remembering they started talking about the SGS2 last year, leaked it in the fall, showed it right after the holidays, sent demo units out in the spring, and didn't sell until summer. Same story with the SGS1.
As for QD tech, lets not forget that OLED has taken over a decade to get where it is now, and it's still limited to small form factors, and ain't cheap or easy to produce. QD is 2020 tech.
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read this and this.
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The comments hit the nail on the head from the Arstechnica article. It's not that it isn't 480x800 exactly but it's the way the color pixels are arranged. Effectively you still have 480x800 addressible pixels, but it's the underlying hardware that gets you that. Without actually having one in my hand to compare to the wife's 3GS I can't honestly say if the display is better or worse for the purposes of a phone.
What the article does round-about say is that it's geared for images not exactly text--basically how an AMOLED TV would be arranged. Thankfully I don't think we'll have the same issues like in the old days of text looking like complete crap on a TV (for those that remember plugging in a C64/Apple II into a TV.)
Point is, it doesn't matter how they do it, as long as in the end--to the apps and images seen on it--that it's using 480x800. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Its just a new technology, As long as 800x480 images show up as vibrantly and sharp as they do on the N1 I'm ok with it.
The possibility of driver tweaks to perfect it is icing on the cake.
I have OMNIA II and this Nexus One, both is AMOLED with 480x800 resolution.
I can confirmed is OMNIA II screen is definately better than Nexus One in term of clarity in details.
Just simply compared and you will notice image display in OMNIA II is much more sharpen and clear than Nexus One.
But not deny I believe Nexus One still is 480x800 just slightly low quality compared with AMOLED by Samsung.
But in overall, you still will definately satisfied on it with your Nexus One.
About the color banding issue, I believe Nexus One also same as OMNIA II running maybe 65k color or whatsoever, it is not 16M as you seen same color banding issue in both devices but it is ok as you can simply just reduce the banding in some image by changing the color dept from 16bit to 8bit (you can simply do this with PC IrfanView software). This will give you must better result, althought it is not perfect, always remember they is no perfect thing in this world.
the screen is 480x800
you can see that in the boot loader the size of the font ...........
in the apps and pic
this is just another .......... info
As long as my 960x800 wallpapers still work and look great, it doesn't really matter to me. The text has always been readable for me.
Wasn't everyone super satisfied with N1's display before this article was posted? or suddenly the display quality depreciated now???
Now on gizmodo.
Just comparing my Nexus with the Hero (soon to be on ebay).
And looking at the letter L for example (white on black in htc clock), the hero is indead 'clearer' when looking at the straight edges. It applies on other text with black on white as well.
This is not to confused with screen res. though. Since websites that would be 'fuzzy' and hard to read without zooming in on the Hero are perfectly readable on the Nexus.
Not quite sure if I understand the logic of that...
But the Nexus does have more information on the screen and so we pages are more readable while zoomed out.
Something to do wuth the way contasting edges merge ?
Zuber
xPatriicK said:
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The main picture in the article itself is hugely misguiding... he is comparing a icon created by nexus one screen with the one that was created by an emulator on large screen. if you zoom in you camera to pixel level, on your LCD, you will not see such pure white, grey or black squares.. they will be just like N1... bands of 3 colors, RGB. The only difference is the sequence of these 3 colors in LCD and N1.
Blue LEDs have less life than others and thus, pentile pattern in N1 is designed to reduce the dead pixel scenarios. All AMOLEDs use some pattern that is different from traditional LCD pattern. Therefore, fonts will always look bad on AMOLED until different font rendering techniques are developed. How bad? Well if you have been using Win XP on LCD and never had any problems with it... you will never know the difference. It wasn't until Vista that MS enabled by default the cleartype fonts which had special algorithms for LCDs.
We already have another thread on this matter. It might be better to merge them.
Another point of note.
It's not really noticable (perhaps just slightly) when looking from a normal operating distance, say 30cm from your eyes (no I didn't measure it).
Though you might bring the screen closer for some types of activity.
Zuber
Yes I can notice the lack of completely-straight lines (aka "fuzziness" or "bleeding") if I look closely at certain text like "l" or images with hard lines. It's not that big of a deal to me though because you really have to inspect the screen to see it, and issues that this is part of the risk when buying a phone with a newer screen technology.
I do think it's a little unfair though that the Nexus gets targeted so much when other phones that will sell more (like the Desire) are using the same screen.
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The main picture in the article itself is hugely misguiding... he is comparing a icon created by nexus one screen with the one that was created by an emulator on large screen. if you zoom in you camera to pixel level, on your LCD, you will not see such pure white, grey or black squares.. they will be just like N1... bands of 3 colors, RGB. The only difference is the sequence of these 3 colors in LCD and N1.
Blue LEDs have less life than others and thus, pentile pattern in N1 is designed to reduce the dead pixel scenarios. All AMOLEDs use some pattern that is different from traditional LCD pattern. Therefore, fonts will always look bad on AMOLED until different font rendering techniques are developed. How bad? Well if you have been using Win XP on LCD and never had any problems with it... you will never know the difference. It wasn't until Vista that MS enabled by default the cleartype fonts which had special algorithms for LCDs.
We already have another thread on this matter. It might be better to merge them.
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absolutely agree with you... over time when the text rendering and graphic rendering improves, you'll see that this "so-called issue" will disappear... just like cleartype & LCDs... this will be a problem on "EVERY" AMOLED display at this time... it's just the way this hardware has been designed... and the software is not exactly up-to-date when it comes to rendering... and yeah ppl, don't compare this to standard displays like the Hero or iPhone... text & graphic rendering for these type of screens may look sharper because software has caught up with the hardware... I doubt anyone would ever notice this if this article wasn't posted...
faraz1992 said:
Wasn't everyone super satisfied with N1's display before this article was posted? or suddenly the display quality depreciated now???
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Nope! I have known about the Pentile matrix OLED displays since late '06. I'm very happy that the N1 uses this superior technology.
Superior? I haven't heard much indicating it to be superior, except maybe in longevity. Or is there something else I'm missing?
Vash63 said:
Superior? I haven't heard much indicating it to be superior, except maybe in longevity. Or is there something else I'm missing?
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A lot has been written about the Pentile matrix display technology for the past several years. Samsung loved it so much that they bought the company that pioneered it a few years back.
I'm just getting more and more disappointed with HTC & Sprints recent practices..
Few weeks ago I went on the htc website and looked at the tech specs, and i'm almost certain it said 800x480 resolution as we all know..
The same thing on the sprint page.
Now, ever since the Nova v. Epson debacle they took down every mention of the phones resolution
Leading one to believe that the Epson units don't even have the same resolution.
Is it possible that these have not only a different screen, but even different resolution and no ****ing press release or information?
What the hell is going on here? WHY would they take down that kind of information?
I mean FFS how can you call it tech specs while leaving out key info?
I have a bunch of problems with my nova 003 phone right now, light leakage, screen separation, stuck pixel etc.
Now I have to worry about getting an even worse unit if I replace it!
All this added onto the 30fps cap and the bull**** with disabling the stock android launcher is making me a very unhappy camper..
Proof below:
Evo Tech Specs
Where it says:
Display 4.3-inch WVGA resolution Capacitive Multi-touch Screen
Compare that to the droid incredible tech specs:
Where it says:
Display 3.7-inch AMOLED touch-sensitive screen with 480 X 800 WVGA resolution
Or the HD2:
Display 4.3-inch HD touch-sensitive screen with 480 x 800 WVGA resolution
www.sprint.com (visit shop > phones > evo 4g)
I've gone through every bit of information they have on the website and NO mention of resolution anywhere..
The only other possible reason is that they don't want us to know that it has a lower res. than the iphone. (lol)
Or I'm just a crackhead and didn't realize that they never had the resolution up.
It all sounds too convenient though, why wouldn't they put something like that up?
Before the iphone4, WVGA was considered an excellent resolution.
The strangest part is that similar phones have that info easily accessible from htc.com.
So what is it, HTC too lazy to put up tech specs? Or are they trying to conceal something..
We already know that their are 2 variants of the evo displays, so it's not that far-fetched..
Finally, I know it can be done, but how do we check res on our phones? Can someone with an epson device chime in?
EDIT: PLEASE DON'T POST UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE TO ADD.
What are the differences? Should I replace my evo and risk getting an epson unit?
Don't worry, they are all still 800x480.
Wvga is 480x800 or more. It says wvga on sprint site
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Is your screen so bad that you have to worry about what somone wrote about it? Sheesh, I ripped Avatar from Blueray to 800X480 and it looks awesome on my phone. No one I have showed it to has said..... man you shoulda got AMOLED.
The EVO is awesome.
My screen isn't bad, at all!
The worry is that i'll replace my phone, and my old problems will still persist and i'll also have a worse quality display..
I wasn't sure that WVGA meant 480x800 or greater. I thought it meant that ballpark..
i woudlnt' believe the resolution until someone has done tests. if any one follows tv technology, you'd know how many tvs lied about their own resolution. games as well.
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Is your screen so bad that you have to worry about what somone wrote about it? Sheesh, I ripped Avatar from Blueray to 800X480 and it looks awesome on my phone. No one I have showed it to has said..... man you shoulda got AMOLED.
The EVO is awesome.
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To be completely fair, you would expect that response from someone that has never seen AMOLED or doesn't have one next to a TFT panel. If you've only had ground beef your whole life, steak is going to be so much better once you get a taste.
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To be completely fair, you would expect that response from someone that has never seen AMOLED or doesn't have one next to a TFT panel. If you've only had ground beef your whole life, steak is going to be so much better once you get a taste.
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To be fair - Taste is subjective. It's like saying that SteakHouse 1 is better than Steakhouse 2. Not to everyone even after they have visited both.
I have the HTC incredible as well and I do not like the dots in the text. It's looks grainy. Pictures are very nice but small text is not as defined(anti-aliased) as TFT. Once again subjective to my own eyes.
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To be fair - Taste is subjective. It's like saying that SteakHouse 1 is better than Steakhouse 2. Not to everyone even after they have visited both.
I have the HTC incredible as well and I do not like the dots in the text. It's looks grainy. Pictures are very nice but small text is not as defined(anti-aliased) as TFT. Once again subjective to my own eyes.
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Sure, but they mentioned movies.
It's a conspiracy!! Quick, put on your tinfoil hats!!! WTF is the big deal? Enjoy your phone for what it is... it hasn't changed simply because the specs may or may not have been listed previously.
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I'm just getting more and more disappointed with HTC & Sprints recent practices..
Few weeks ago I went on the htc website and looked at the tech specs, and i'm almost certain it said 800x480 resolution as we all know..
The same thing on the sprint page.
Now, ever since the Nova v. Epson debacle they took down every mention of the phones resolution
Leading one to believe that the Epson units don't even have the same resolution.
Different screen, different resolution and no ****ing press release or information?
What the hell is going on here? WHY would they take down that kind of information?
I mean FFS how can you call it tech specs without giving any information on the resolution?
I have a bunch of problems with my nova 003 phone right now, light leakage, screen separation, stuck pixel etc.
Now I have to worry about getting an even worse unit if I replace it!
All this added onto the 30fps cap and the bull**** with disabling the stock android launcher is making me a very unhappy camper..
Proof below:
Evo Tech Specs
Where it says:
Display 4.3-inch WVGA resolution Capacitive Multi-touch Screen
Compare that to the droid incredible tech specs:
Where it says:
Display 3.7-inch AMOLED touch-sensitive screen with 480 X 800 WVGA resolution
Or the HD2:
Display 4.3-inch HD touch-sensitive screen with 480 x 800 WVGA resolution
www.sprint.com (visit shop > phones > evo 4g)
I've gone through every bit of information they have on the website and NO mention resolution anywhere..
The only other possible reason is that they don't want us to know that it has a lower res. than the iphone.
Or I'm just a crackhead and didn't realize that they never had the resolution up.
It all sounds too convenient though, why wouldn't they put something like that up?
Before the iphone4, WVGA was considered an excellent resolution.
The strangest part is that similar phones have that info easily accessible from htc.com.
So what is it, HTC too lazy to put up tech specs? Or are they trying to conceal something..
We already know that their are 2 variants of the display, so it's not that far-fetched..
If i'm right though.
Honestly.. you simply CAN'T leave that out of the tech specs!
We need to EMAIL them until they understand...
Lying to your customers and deceiving them this way is never gonna end well HTC..
Finally, I know it can be done, but how do we check res on our phones? Can someone with an epson device chime in?
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HTC's page definitely needs an update. Doesn't the Evo also support WiFi N protocol as of the latest updates, and earlier hacks? :]
I think with the discovery of the use of Novatek and Epson screens in the phones, people are looking at HTC as a bottom feeder when it comes to parts.
I'm an A+ tech, had to teardown and put back together many machines, and if you looked at the different part numbers that existed for the same part (i.e. HP laptop LCD may have four different part numbers, the system board may have two, etc.), then you see HTC's use of two different parts for what it is, nothing.
WVGA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_VGA
Read, enjoy, relax
god people get bent outta shape over some stupid ****
lol
QVGA: 320x240
HVGA: 480x320
VGA: 640x480
WVGA: 800x480
That's how they are, the numbers never change.
some ignorance going on this thread. You should be weary of any replacement parts. you are paying for a $500 product; maybe it's biggest selling point being it's screen, and you're saying who cares?
Laptops often replace their screens with cheaper ones. HDTVs, eg. sony have replaced their higher end models with cheaper totally different panels (think $500 generic tv quality) after stellar reviews have been out. This is well documented.
The fact that manufacturers get away with false advertisement so often should be warning to keep on your guard.
If you think this is paranoia, you are not an educated consumer. That's ok, but don't insult those of us who are.
Thanks bob, exactly..
To the rest of you, seriously?
I'm not a damn idiot.
Someone mentioned it on another forum so I looked around and found no mention of the exact res. on either site, and hardly any tech specs at that..
Pretty unusual for one of the highest specced phones on the market, no?
@mrono.. I am well aware of the differences between the various standardized terms for display resolution..
However, the W in WVGA stands for Wide.
Are you telling me that 799x480 isn't wide vga?
I wasn't proposing that the newer ones have VGA res or something outrageous like that, but it's not out of the scope of imagination that there are differences between the epson and novatec screens apart from contrast/brightness..
It is obvious that the two displays are different, and if I got one with an off hue or the worst one because I couldn't put up with the screen separation, i'd be pissed.
So this is me covering my bases..
Which is only natural since recently it seems like they've been getting parts from wherever they can..
I'm not "complaining" about anything I just want to be sure I'm not making a mistake..
Very annoyed at all the assholes saying, just enjoy the phone.
I never mentioned anything about not liking the phone, which is why i'm REPLACING it and not returning it.
I love the phone other than the stuck pixel and screen separation..
I am COMPLETELY ****ING FINE with my current display. Happy?
Bob and Top...
It's not about being ignorant of facts, nor is it about being uneducated as a consumer. It's about taking the device for what it is... a PHONE. Yeah, so you may have shelled out $500 for it, but in the end, it's a phone. It's not a "down to the micron precision instrument". I'm an asshole for saying, "just enjoy the phone"? Get over yourselves. Nevermind, why waste my time with you? You'd probably complain about your Happy Meal toy.
Tell me this jye.
If it's just a phone, then I bet you'd prefer this?
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To most of us, these are not phones with extra gimmicks, but mini-computers with the ability to make calls..
They're expensive gadgets and have no reason not to work as expected.
It's not about being unable to accept a phones flaws, I accepted the G1's many flaws until it broke.
I'm trying to make an INFORMED decision about whether or not to replace my current evo with another possibly worse one within my 30-day window..
My only purpose in creating this thread was to spur conversation about the obviously different versions of evo's out there, and thus make a decision.
If you're going to complain and whine but don't have anything to add then might I politely ask you to "GTFO"?
Hey Top,
I haven't been complaining or whining... it seems that you're the one doing that, assuming there's a conspiracy in your original post. As for adding anything, I've said my piece, and contributed to this thread in my first post that stated that it wasn't necessarily a conspiracy and that, "it hasn't changed simply because the specs may or may not have been listed previously.
So kindly back the 'tude down a couple of notches.
I remember a while back there was an article on Ars Technica (can't link yet, but google "ars Secrets of the Nexus One's screen" and you'll find it) about the Nexus One's AMOLED screen. They talked about how the AMOLED screen technology/layout resulted in text that wasn't as sharp as on the Motorola Droid. I'm curious if this is still a concern with Super AMOLED technology, as with the Epic 4G?
I'm looking to upgrade from my Palm Pre in the next few weeks (hoping the Epic 4G is out by then), but I'm hoping to do some background research before that. I use my phone quite a bit for web browsing now, and would probably increase that usage on a phone with a bigger screen and better browser. I'm also looking forward to being able to use Kindle's software for Android. Bottom line is that I know I'll be reading a LOT of text on my phone. Super AMOLED is supposed to be incredible for pictures and video, but if it's lackluster on text, it's not as useful to me.
If any of you have any thoughts or experiences regarding this issue (if it still is one on Super AMOLED), I'd love to hear it. Thanks!
Yes, it's still an issue.
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
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SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653.
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If that's the reason that it comes out like that, will the text be fixed when Android Gingerbread comes out? I've heard that gingerbread changes the resolution, but I don't know if that's true.
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I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
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Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..
I have a evo and do pretty much nothing but text reading (ebooks and the web). Text is very easy to read and I have not noticed any eye strain yet.
That sucks about super amoled not doing text well.
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Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..
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I tried doing that at a Best Buy yesterday but someone had stolen their demo unit(s). Apparently it's one of the more ghetto Best Buys in Boston. Who knew. I'll be checking it out when I get back home for sure though.
Hmmmm.... I went to the AT&T store last week, to check out the captivate and I didn't notice any problem in reading the text personally. I haven't made the switch to a smartphone yet so maybe my eyes are too inexperienced to notice something like that, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with my future Epic 4G
I have the captivate and yes, text on it is not as crisp as on the droid or droid x. But is it an issue, no. On really light colored backgrounds like white or light grey, if you look hard for it, you can see some fuzziness. But on colorful backgrounds you really cant see it. I can tell you, its a beautiful screen. Overall it looks better than the droid x, which has been described as dull or drab. The colors on the S-AMOLED really pop, and the fact that its an OLED means that black backgrounds are really true black (complete absence of light).
In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.
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In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.
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Why would you say the retena display is better?
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Why would you say the retena display is better?
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The only way the retina display is better is if you're reading text from under 10" away from your face, but then again who the heck reads with a phone up in their face? I read alot of e-books and other sites and I can tell you reading a page from a normal distance there is little to no difference.
As far as video playback and pictures the Samsung blows the retina display out of the water and by leaps and bounds is the #1 screen in the phone market hands down.
i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.
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i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.
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I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.
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I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.
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Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.
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I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device.
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I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.
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Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.
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It is not possible to have permanent screen burn in..as for temporary one...even LCDs state not to keep the same image on for too long to avoid temp burn-ins...
As for updates...we are not sure how much of a bone Samsung will give, but at the moment, event the Sprint Moment has gotten a Foyo 2.2 by the community.
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SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?
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I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.
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I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?
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Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?
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Well that is for the regular AMOLED screen...the Super AMOLED screen would most likely be around like 260% for that..but you gotta realize that your screen will never be FULLY pure white like that...the next revision of Super AMOLED(for 2011 plans to go RGBW to fix that).
Either way you'd never have so much white on the screen for it to waist that much energy...
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I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?
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It does not make it easy but not impossible...if they release a Galaxy S 2 in the future with Gingerbread or any other phone with it and don't do Gingerbread for Galaxy S..with some effort it would be possible to port it...
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The HTC One front looks strikingly similar to the BB10 and the back to the Xperia P?
Frankly, the One X has the superior design.
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lee480 said:
The HTC One front looks strikingly similar to the BB10 and the back to the Xperia P?
Frankly, the One X has the superior design.
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Well, they look similar. But, I won't crucify them. Something will always be similar to other products in past. You can make a invisible, hexagonal, holographic phone!
What I am more worried about is their product placement and marketing strategies. Their marketing and promotion created same type of feeling like it did 1 year back when HOX was launched. I find their strategies bit confusing to be honest.
An example -- they are trying to differentiate in terms of their camera, pixel-size etc., This is a good idea. But how's that going to translate for common folk is something totally different. They are making things more complicated with all ultrapixel, zoe, and many more marketing terms. You can generate sales by confusing customers.
I am bit confused by their marketing strategies. Good product. How it translates to sales is a totally different matter. This was the same scenario in 2012. HOX was a good product, but literally sold nothing.
One thing I can definitely tell you is that Samsung will launch a marketing blitz from middle of March. If HTC wants to avoid a 2012, they should be smart in their approach.
I think the front of both the HTC One and the BB10 look like the Droid X.
I don't fault them though, I loved that phone.
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The HTC One front looks strikingly similar to the BB10 and the back to the Xperia P?
Frankly, the One X has the superior design.
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I can see the difference
In second picture comparison, the Xperia p has rectangle shape with sharp corners.
HTC ONE have rectangle shape with rounded corners.
Definitely its innovation
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And it still looks better than both.
I honestly don't care as long as it looks good in my eyes and it is hackable. Why are you guys even debating this?
Meh, with my joys with my one xl. I think I'll be passing this one up.
Really? So companies can't take inspiration from other devices? Its clear they didn't copy the design 100%, but inspired maybe. People criticize Apple for suing companies that they say they "copied their designs" and here people are criticizing HTC. Its a great looking phone, who cares if they were inspired by others. Everything is essentially based on something that preceded it.
You guys are smoking crack. That's a beautiful phone
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Being aluminium, I wonder what colour will show once it's scratched, on the silver,black and red (is silver the natural aluminium colour?)
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Being aluminium, I wonder what colour will show once it's scratched, on the silver,black and red (is silver the natural aluminium colour?)
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Silver is the natural color for aluminum
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I agree the Blackberry and the HTC look similar and both sport a bezel that looks unnecessarily large to me.
OP must hate GM then lol
But for me I am on my 3rd year of Galaxy phones and I must say HTC has me looking to switch!!
There may be one thing missing though... gorilla glass? I know a lot of people say blaaa but it has saved my arse more than once. It may be there but I have yet to see anything about it.
Loving...
the case/design
camera! finally someone gets Mp aren't everything expect in the SLR world!
speakers... I absolutely HATE having to cup my hand behind my phone just hear a frign youtube video!!!
Curious...
3 years of Galaxy means 3 years of OLED... LCD?? I'll have to see it..
battery/CPU so they increased the CPU but the chip is supposed to consume less but at this time there is no talk/standby yet... makes me wonder if it's true...
dislikes...
HTC is notorious for locking phones up.
Colors again.. or lack of... Why does Nokia get it but no-one else does...
the back... if this thing going to rock back and forth when I lay it down? Also is the middle going to gather the most scratches?
LCD... Again they may be improved a bit, but there is no denying the color depth of OLED.
beat audio logo/logo's period!!! ONE in huge letters on the back... WTF!
HTC is bad at updating phones, but this can sometimes be countered in cyan....
Over all I am loving the looks and the speed. I really think a switch is coming
It's not just me. Just read the sentiments online. A lot have the same impression. Though I would not be surprised if the people here could not see. It's a HTC section of XDA after all.
I don't hate HTC. Is just that the design is too similar.
Admittance is the first step to recovery. Maybe HTC can reflect why it's bleeding market to Sony? For your info, Sony sold more phones than HTC in the previous quarter.
Reddragon, it has gorilla glass 2.
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What we're buying isn't clothes... Innovations have to be under the hood for me! It's still a cell phone... How much innovations do you need or can they make? There's a 13mp camera, a flash, a sim card slot... Screen, volume rocker etc.... If all you're looking for is looks, then you shouldn't buy this phone... It's clearly too expensive for your needs... The S6 processor, 2gb of ram and everything it has to offer don't show in the design.... Personally, I'll buy this device for sure... It's a piece of innovation... Under the hood!
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lee480 said:
It's not just me. Just read the sentiments online. A lot have the same impression. Though I would not be surprised if the people here could not see. It's a HTC section of XDA after all.
I don't hate HTC. Is just that the design is too similar.
Admittance is the first step to recovery. Maybe HTC can reflect why it's bleeding market to Sony? For your info, Sony sold more phones than HTC in the previous quarter.
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Ford sold more cars than Porsche, Lamborghini and Ferrari together... And still, Ford isn't better...
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Being aluminium, I wonder what colour will show once it's scratched, on the silver,black and red (is silver the natural aluminium colour?)
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this colour
Apparently just like the iPhone 5 this phone will scratch like hell. Especially with the chamfered edges and aluminium body. Not keen on this
The Sony comparison is ridiculous.
The rear looks just like the rear to the One X, except with tiny plastic bands that the device HAS to have for the radios. The innovation here is that those bands are tiny and are inset gaplessly, giving the entire phone a seamless, single-piece feel. This hasn't been done before, ever, to my knowledge.
Edit for the above tho, I have to wonder why they didn't go for the micro-arc oxidisation root (like the One S) instead of anodising... Frankly, the shiny edge looks kind of tacky.
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The Sony comparison is ridiculous.
The rear looks just like the rear to the One X, except with tiny plastic bands that the device HAS to have for the radios. The innovation here is that those bands are tiny and are inset gaplessly, giving the entire phone a seamless, single-piece feel. This hasn't been done before, ever, to my knowledge.
Edit for the above tho, I have to wonder why they didn't go for the micro-arc oxidisation root (like the One S) instead of anodising... Frankly, the shiny edge looks kind of tacky.
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I believe that they've learned that the MAO process isn't that durable when used in phones.. yes it's indeed a smart innovation and it makes the One S really sexy, but durability-wise, no.
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This is an article Posted on 23 Apr 2013 at 09:47, by Gareth Halfacree -> HERE
Given the choice would you take the flexible low resolution (shock resistant) screen or the Glass high resolution(more fragile)?
Galaxy Note 3 may launch with flexible display according to OLED Association
Samsung's upcoming Galaxy Note 3 will apparently launch with a flexible display, providing a reduction in thickness as well as significant protection against impacts.
Samsung's top-end smartphones have long used organic light-emitting diode (OLED) displays, which provide a higher level of contrast and lower power draw than traditional liquid-crystal displays. OLED displays work without a backlight, with each pixel emitting its own light.
For some years, the company has been working on flexible and transparent display technologies. It showed off a plastic-based flexible liquid-crystal display as far back as 2005, promising that commercial applications would be seen very shortly. Sadly, the leap never happened: Samsung's products continue to use AMOLED displays protected by toughened glass, which can shatter if hit hard enough or at the right angle.
Rumours that the Galaxy Note 3, the company's upcoming phablet device, would be the first to include a flexible display have been given weight by the OLED Association, which has suggested the device will launch with a 5.9in or larger plastic-based OLED display. Compared to the company's glass-backed technology, as found in the current-generation Galaxy Note 2, the site believes that the plastic version could knock almost 1.5 millimetres off the thickness of the device, as well as reducing its weight.
One of the biggest advantages to the plastic-backed display technology is its flexibility: while the entire smartphone won't bend, the screen will be able to deform to better absorb impacts. This means the device should be able to withstand being dropped from a height that would shatter the glass of the Galaxy Note 2 without difficulty.
The OLED Association does warn that there could be a trade-off in the use of a plastic display, however: resolution. The current trend is towards offering Full HD 1,080x1,920 resolution displays in smartphones and tablets, but the site says it is unlikely that Samsung would be able to mass-produce a plastic-backed display at these resolutions by the time the Galaxy Note 3 launches towards the end of the year. As a result, it's possible that the Galaxy Note 3 will launch with a lower resolution - or be available with a plastic display in some regions and a glass display in others, splitting the market in a similar manner to its Galaxy S4 which ships with a quad-core chip in the UK and with an eight-core Exynos 5 Octa elsewhere.
Samsung, for its part, has refused to comment on the rumours, but with the Galaxy Note 3 expected to launch before the year is out fans of the company's Note range shouldn't have long to wait.
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The First Flexible AMOLED Display to be launched in Q4’2013
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Glass! I don't really mind that bit of inconvenience. I hope they release a non Note line to perform their experimentation on and when they perfect it, they can bring it to the main Note/Galaxy line. I don't mind the glass at all, hope the develop a method to implement 1080p RGB SAMOLED on Note III, that'd kick ass.
I am pretty comfortable with 720p, right now I don't want more resolution but faster performance for games, going to 1080 will kill that and we will have the same or worse than in note 2.
720p for me without pentile it is more than enough. I see 1080p as a marketing tool rather than a useful feature.
This reminds me of old resistive plastic screens when they would get very easily scratched, Thank you very much but no I will never buy a phone with plastic screen I like the smooth touch feeling of the glass and will stick with it.
I dont think is likely since we are going to use a pen. And the pressure at the tip of the pen is very high compared to a finger and most likely to easely scratch a plastic screen over a short time period plus that i cant imagine drawing on a soft screen would be a pleasant experience
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http://oled-a.org/news_details.cfm?ID=783
Confirmed, Note III is going to have flexible OLED display.
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http://oled-a.org/news_details.cfm?ID=783
Confirmed, Note III is going to have flexible OLED display.
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Interesting, I don't know if I should be happy or not.
They won't be able to produce enough flexible OLED for everybody so they will have to split the market.
Does this mean the Flexible OLED version phones will have bigger battery?
Flexible OLEDs will consume less battery, surely? But I won't be terribly happy to go back to those 2100 mA batteries just because it's power efficient to be honest. If the market is split, I would gladly go for non plastic OLED if it has larger battery and large screen.
Will I think no one will notes the changes between the two screens only the power consumed and the power of taking hits on it ... the feel will be the same ad thy both have yhe same finishing ..
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Flexible OLEDs will consume less battery, surely? But I won't be terribly happy to go back to those 2100 mA batteries just because it's power efficient to be honest. If the market is split, I would gladly go for non plastic OLED if it has larger battery and large screen.
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Look at the picture, the battery will be bigger. Since the screen is so much thinner there is more place for the battery AND the screen consumes less battery so the battery life should(in theory) be much better.:laugh:
I don't care all that much about going to 1080p as 720p is already VERY good, I don't care at all about getting some extra bit of battery as the present one is already pretty good and I use extra batteries and NEVER charge the phone anyway, I do care about a lighter and tougher smartphone BUT the main point of these rumors are for me the screen dimensions: I am really, REALLY hoping that it won't be just 5.9" (especially seeing that the Mega is coming out with a 6.3" display which would be an IDEAL size for me).
Although I don't see them doing so, it would be perfect if they offered a 5.8" and a 6.3" Note III as they are doing with the Mega...
Damn you Samsung. I didn't want to upgrade this year. Now it's gonna be a whole lot harder to resist the urge.
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Seriously people don't have anything else to do than just editing their build.prop(s) ,but the top result looks interesting ,more likely to be another fake though.
I'm late to this discussion, but ... I just don't understand what all the excitement is over flexible screens. Aside from being THEORETICALLY harder to break, what's the advantage? Even if the screen is flexible, the rest of the phone ain't! The frame, the case, the circuit board, the battery -- none of those are gonna flex, so what's all the excitement about? It's just another marketing gimmick, if you ask me.
Gimme 1020p and I don't care whether the screen is flexible or not.
mudge
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I'm late to this discussion, but ... I just don't understand what all the excitement is over flexible screens. Aside from being THEORETICALLY harder to break, what's the advantage? Even if the screen is flexible, the rest of the phone ain't! The frame, the case, the circuit board, the battery -- none of those are gonna flex, so what's all the excitement about? It's just another marketing gimmick, if you ask me.
Gimme 1020p and I don't care whether the screen is flexible or not.
mudge
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Well besides the fact that a replacement screen is costly and having a unbreakable screen is very useful, another HUGE advantage of the flexible screen(too bad you didn't read before posting) is the thickness. The flexible screen is 1.5mm thinner than the already thin glass OLED allowing for more room for a bigger battery in a same size phone.
Note 3 will be announced around July/August, and the screen says Q4. Doesn't make any sense.
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Note 3 will be announced around July/August, and the screen says Q4. Doesn't make any sense.
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Actually the announced date have been changed since the OP. It was originally set for September but recent rumors is setting it for mid-summer.
No way midsummer....they have to ride the S4 sales ride out...
I doubt they would let this debut on a flagship, it would spell their doom if this is in any way imperfect.
They would probably introduce this on another phone, and depending on it's reception implement it in their future devices.
Like the Samsung beam, not every needs these features.
It could go the way of 3D on phones