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Is too much flashing bad for our phones? I've seen people asking sellers how many times they've flashed their phones with custom ROMs and this worries me . I do do a task 29 before every flash btw... Just wondering of any side effects of over-flashing.
you can do around 100,000 to 1,000,000 read/write operations to each cell in flash memory before it starts to enter danger territory.
So no, its very unlikely to cause any issues unless you change rom every day for 30 years.
(in theory, anyway, anyone stress tested the flashing process?)
This is news to me!
I didn't know flashing could damage a phone!
But surly you'd have to flash 100's/1000's of times before that!?
only an idiot wouldn't read up on each rom and flash after flash after flash afte... (you get my point lol)
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only an idiot wouldn't read up on each rom and flash after flash after flash afte... (you get my point lol)
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you, sir, are clearly NOT a Beta Tester
uh oh!
Dear readers,
This is really a valid topic - flashing is a bad bad thing.
Especially out side of schools.....get u in all sorts of trouble.
- I flash every few days - end up spending my friday nights doing it sometimes - thats gotta be bad news!!
Yeah, it's not so much how often you do it.
The fact is, each time you flash, you risk bricking your phone.
The Law of Averages will run into Murphy's Law at some point and you're gonna be screwed ;-)
I've flashed my Excalibur about 20 times, my Wing about 30, my Kaiser 12 and my Rhodium 3 times (HardSPL, Radios don't count!). I haven't bricked a phone since 2007, but sooner or later this will catch up to me too :-D
I'm flashing many years many times a day and never bricked a phone.
5 to 10 times a day believe it or not.
Knock on wood.
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Yeah, it's not so much how often you do it.
The fact is, each time you flash, you risk bricking your phone.
The Law of Averages will run into Murphy's Law at some point and you're gonna be screwed ;-)
I've flashed my Excalibur about 20 times, my Wing about 30, my Kaiser 12 and my Rhodium 3 times (HardSPL, Radios don't count!). I haven't bricked a phone since 2007, but sooner or later this will catch up to me too :-D
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General everyday read/writes to the filesystem represent a LOT more wear than 10, 100 or 1000 ROM flashes during the phone's life.
Well, every Data the phone saves on its internal memory and every Data thats viewed by you (includes booting) will read/write the internal memory.
Flash Memory has a limited lifetime due its material wearout.
If you will ever get to this point within warrenty it maybe covered .
Only think you can do against it is to take out battery and never ever touch your phone.
I remember maybe a couple of years ago in the Touch Pro forums, there were a few cases of people "killing" there Touch Pros by overflashing. This worried me for a while, but since I only ever reflash probably about once a week and buy/sell every 6-12 months, I don't think it will ever cause me a problem.
I haven't seen a recurrance of this problem since my Touch Pro days, so maybe something was different about that particular device. But now I feel like I've tempted fate, I'm not gonna say any more!
SAME
Laurentius26 said:
I'm flashing many years many times a day and never bricked a phone.
5 to 10 times a day believe it or not.
Knock on wood.
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I have flashed many times a day including beta testing for many roms/phones currently my HTC G1 is acting really wierd lately ever since I flashed that EXTREMLY SUPER FAST ROM and its been acting as if it were bricked at times, it wont even boot up it gives me that black screen (when you have a brick) so im going to an OEM rom and stop flashing for that phone now just to be safe
But I think I have flashed THOUSANDS of times my 2 EXCALIBURS, WING, TILT, TILT2, G1, Mytouch, and my cool new HD2 and not a SINGLE BRICKED
Im soo proud of myself haha lol
Laurentius26 said:
I'm flashing many years many times a day and never bricked a phone.
5 to 10 times a day believe it or not.
Knock on wood.
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lol i flash as much myself
Okay when i originally debranded my phone i flashed it about 6 times, now i told a mate, to which he replied "be careful because phones can only handle so much before the phone will break". Now obviously there must be some sort of limit, but what sorta number am i looking at?
Thanks
Vengeance
lol, "6", I've done that in a day, a few times, not sure, never even entered my mind in fact that there might be a limit.
theoretically, there is a limit on how often a memory module can be flashed. but it's somewhere around a few thousand times, if not more.... definately nowhere near 6
I've done more than 6 times in a day when we got 1st root & it was kinda difficult to root
beno1 said:
theoretically, there is a limit on how often a memory module can be flashed. but it's somewhere around a few thousand times, if not more.... definately nowhere near 6
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let him try, then he will say oh the flashing limit is a gazillion times
Hello all....
I have been using WP7 on my HD2 for a week or so.
I love the smooth interface and speed (nice work DFT)
The battery drain was really really annoying. Could barely get half a day on minimal use.
As a last resort, I flashed the WP7 rom again. This time, when I restarted and before first boot, I did a hard reset (press and hold volume up and down on the MAGLDR boot 1234 GO GO GO screen). It asks to press volume down twice to hard reset.
Would you believe it??? I have been using WP7 for half a day now. Internet, e-mail on etc and I'm still (on what looks like) approximately 60%.
Battery drain is much, much better.
I think the hard reset after flashing probably reset ALL of the counters etc.
For those with problems, try it, you might be surprised, but YMMV....
Good luck and Viva DFT!!!!!!!
All you actually did was read the instructions on how to flash your rom. Well done!
So would I lose all my apps and access to the market place if I hard reset my device? Cause I definitely don't want to go through the chevron process again. Thanks
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All you actually did was read the instructions on how to flash your rom. Well done!
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Thanks for the sarcastic retort!!!! LOL...
Maybe, but users are still reporting high battery drain. The instructions are not THAT clear on this particular point. i.e.: Hard Reset BEFORE First boot
I have tried hard reset after booting into WP7 and battery drain was same as before. (high)
Im no noob. I had to search high and low for even a slight mention of that particular point.
As I said... Take It or Leave It!!!!
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Thanks for the sarcastic retort!!!! LOL...
Maybe, but users are still reporting high battery drain. The instructions are not THAT clear on this particular point. i.e.: Hard Reset BEFORE First boot
I have tried hard reset after booting into WP7 and battery drain was same as before. (high)
Im no noob. I had to search high and low for even a slight mention of that particular point.
As I said... Take It or Leave It!!!!
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You've only been using your phone for half a day when you've come up with the conclusion that you've solved everyone's battery problem. That's not much testing.
Oh and I do think its very noobish to have installed this rom in the first place without reading the instructions that appear right in front of you whill running the program. It appears you just clicked next next next.
Start testing with different radio roms and come back in a week with some proper results.
Hey! Just flash 2.14 or 2.10 radio and stop posting all this crap.
High drainage was found on 2.15 radio ver.
To skunz35: Yes you would lose all your settings and data. Part of the WP7 territory
Well, thanks for all the '****ty' comments....
I can understand why a lot of people don't bother posting.
Radio... blah, blah, blah!!! Done.. Yawn.
Test for more than half a day.... Really?????
I'm just posting my findings to help a few people out there. I've actually been testing this for a month now, as I got hold of a 'pre-beta' copy. I'm in I.T. and have a few 'contacts' everywhere.
These comments are not helpful or constructive. I consider the two people who have 'blasted' my observations 'NOOBS' in every sense of the word.
These forums are supposed to be for help and opinions. This sort of 'nay-saying' is what most forums nowadays are awash with.
Count down! You think you are the 1st one who found this problem? You think this dublicated thread is very helpful? I had battery problem too, I was on 2.15 radio, now reflashed to lower version and now it's solved. Many people are confirmed that. All tests was on stand by mode but not in games or whatever what are you doing there! And don't "blah... blah..." on me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10724683
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I've actually been testing this for a month now
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geddeeee said:
Would you believe it??? I have been using WP7 for half a day now. Internet, e-mail on etc and I'm still (on what looks like) approximately 60%.
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You've been testing it for a month (so you say) and you've just learned how to read the installation guide today. That installation appears every time you flash the rom onto your phone. How in gods name have you not be able to see that for a whole month!!!
Not only that you then say you've been using WP7 for half a day with no battery problems. Half a day
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I'm in I.T. and have a few 'contacts' everywhere.
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God help us all if you work in I.T.!!
geddeeee said:
I got hold of a 'pre-beta' copy
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Neolo said:
Count down! You think you are the 1st one who found this problem? You think this dublicated thread is very helpful? I had battery problem too, I was on 2.15 radio, now reflashed to lower version and now it's solved. Many people are confirmed that. All tests was on stand by mode but not in games or whatever what are you doing there! And don't "blah... blah..." on me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10724683
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I'd agree with trying different radios. Its most likely due to one or more of the following.
1: Different radio's
2: Different SD cards
3: Magldr 1.12
4: A bug in the WP7 rom
Neolo said:
Hey! Just flash 2.14 or 2.10 radio and stop posting all this crap.
High drainage was found on 2.15 radio ver.
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I can say that this is the case. Its been 5 hours and Im still about 70%. An hour of music, A couple of calls, lots of texting, installed 3 games over wifi. Facebook (from people hub), 2 emails sync'ed At all times. Radio 2.14.
I took my phone from the charger around 7.30 this morning, its now about 18.30 so tahts 11 hours. According to the task bar its at about 90 percent, so yeah, drain seems better than 6.5 roms. Admidetly, I hardly did anything with it. Received and read some emails via gmail push, and sent a few facebook and text messages.
Neolo said:
Count down! You think you are the 1st one who found this problem? You think this dublicated thread is very helpful? I had battery problem too, I was on 2.15 radio, now reflashed to lower version and now it's solved. Many people are confirmed that. All tests was on stand by mode but not in games or whatever what are you doing there! And don't "blah... blah..." on me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10724683
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Again... Blah, blah, blah!! Don't think you want to take me on, mate!!
As you all know everything, i was going to tell you how to 'circumvent' the upcoming MS update. I think i'll let you all trawl through the forums looking for the answer.
Don't tell me 'not available yet'. It is if you know who to talk to and where to look.
I'll watch from the sidelines. Should be fun.....
nilsk123 said:
I took my phone from the charger around 7.30 this morning, its now about 18.30 so tahts 11 hours. According to the task bar its at about 90 percent, so yeah, drain seems better than 6.5 roms. Admidetly, I hardly did anything with it. Received and read some emails via gmail push, and sent a few facebook and text messages.
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Ehh, buddy, what radio are you using?
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Again... Blah, blah, blah!! Don't think you want to take me on, mate!!
As you all know everything, i was going to tell you how to 'circumvent' the upcoming MS update. I think i'll let you all trawl through the forums looking for the answer.
Don't tell me 'not available yet'. It is if you know who to talk to and where to look.
I'll watch from the sidelines. Should be fun.....
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Say hello to Steve Ballmer from us pathetic loosers. He is the one who gave you the update for sure.
chumaj001 said:
Say hello to Steve Ballmer from us pathetic loosers. He is the one who gave you the update for sure.
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Ha ha ha.... Steve is OK, just misunderstood!!!!
2 words.... Beta testing!!! Available sooooon......
geddeeee said:
2 words.... Beta testing!!!
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Something you could do with learning how to do. You clearly don't know a thing about testing.
I'm still laughing at your "Half a day", testing.
mickfarr said:
Something you could do with learning how to do. You clearly don't know a thing about testing.
I'm still laughing at your "Half a day", testing.
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Man.... you really don't know when to quit, do you?
You obviously didn't read my original post completely. Tested for half a day using hard reset before WP7 first boot. Hundreds of other people have had the same problem. Posted, because already (half a day, admittedly) the battery drain was a huge improvement over the previous month's testing with different radios, batteries, BIOS configs etc. The pre-beta was a ***** to install. It didn't have the lovely DFT packaged installer. Very 'hands on'.
I also never claimed to solve all battery problems or to be the font of all WP7 knowledge! Just an observation, and hopefully a help to other users who may be having difficulties
This from the guy who thought he only had 200 MB on his SD card after flashing WP7.
You've told me to read.... I say the same to you. What part of 'hidden partition' (JBOD RAID if you're interested) don't you understand?
C**t !!!!
for f**k sake
Take your crap elsewhere guys!
I don't give a rats ass who's testing or who does not agree with it!
Do NOT pile up the forum with b.s. postings!
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Ha ha ha.... Steve is OK, just misunderstood!!!!
2 words.... Beta testing!!! Available sooooon......
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So you are betatesting WP7 update from Microsoft on hacked HD2 with heavy battery drain. I see... thats how its done.
EDIT: Sorry for the spam, but these posts are driving me crazy.
Hello, I'm new to the whole Android thing, but I managed to recently root my Shift, and I can attest to the addictive properties of trying out ROMS/Kernels and all that good stuff. But I was worried about the idea of all this flashing I'm doing, as in the month or so I've been rooted I've flashed about four ROMS, messed up a few times, done a good 5 or 6 Nandroid restores/backups. I was just curios to know if this is excessive, or if this could damage my phone in any way. Thanks for any help guys!
P.S., I apologize if this is either in the wrong thread, or has already been answered >_< I'm still a young'un
As far as I know by flashing a lot you can damage the relationship with your wife or g/f due to spending a lot of time doing it.. besides that I believe that the only way you can damage your phone is due to a bad flash or flashing something that wasn't exactly supported by the Shift.
I recall this discussion back when I had a TouchPro2, I don't know if it applies to the Shift as well but I assume it does. From my understanding it was determined by people far more informed than me that flashing would eventually wear out the NAND memory...but it would take more flashes than even the most fiendish flashaholic could complete in the phones lifetime to do. This is what I know from discussions of a past phone, I'm not claiming anything about the lifetime of the phone and take no responsibility if you flash 5000 ROMS tonight and your NAND burns out. lol
I think the only way you can actually brick your phone from flashing is if you flash a bad ratio from like a gsm carrier to a cdma phone. Might be wrong. Cause even if you flash a bad rom as long as you have a working recovery you can always just reflash a new rom or ruu
I think his underlying question may have to do with the fact that every NAND flash memory module has a limited number of writes in its lifetime before it can't write another bit and tell whether or not the module is in the 0 or 1 state.
This is also why data2ext/apps2ext etc anything that constantly writes information to your SD card will also degrade the lifetime of the SD card.
Basically yes, in principle the number of times you write new data to the phone's built-in memory, you shave off another write from its life. But I don't think this is significant at all. Just as a reference, I'm sure there are people with the original G1 who have flashed a countless number of times over several years and still have it working.
^^This.
If it gives you peace of mind, think about how many times a ROM chef's phone gets flashed in its lifetime and usually if the phone dies it's on account of flashing something experimental that bricks the phone (wrong radio, etc.) I've never heard of someones NAND actually burning out. I flashed my TouchPro and TouchPro2 quite literally hundreds of times if that makes you feel better.
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As far as I know by flashing a lot you can damage the relationship with your wife or g/f due to spending a lot of time doing it.. besides that I believe that the only way you can damage your phone is due to a bad flash or flashing something that wasn't exactly supported by the Shift.
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THIS. Main danger.
^ Shift Faced
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THIS. Main danger.
^ Shift Faced
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Agreed!
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Thanks for all the answers, you guys are great I really appreciate your help. You're replies have put my mind at ease seeing as my level of flashing honestly doesn't seem that excessive compared to that of a developer's.
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On my HeroC I changed roms two to three times a week. When CM6 came out, it was everyday (with full wipe) thanks to the nightlies. Then aosp started releasing his stuff in IRC yada yada.
My heroc made it well over a year of that torture. My wife did as well, barely.
I believe it's time to move on and get a new device already. My HD2 had a long and fulfilling carrier (4 years). it was flashed about a million times, with all kind's of OS's.The hardware buttons are not working so good anymore, and the screen started to fade. It is working perfectly normal, the SlimRom is on it and i think it'll probably be the last one that i flashed.
Now I have my eyes on Xiaomi Mi2s. What do you guys think of it?
Buy a new hd2
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Pixa1 said:
I believe it's time to move on and get a new device already. My HD2 had a long and fulfilling carrier (4 years). it was flashed about a million times, with all kind's of OS's.The hardware buttons are not working so good anymore, and the screen started to fade. It is working perfectly normal, the SlimRom is on it and i think it'll probably be the last one that i flashed.
Now I have my eyes on Xiaomi Mi2s. What do you guys think of it?
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Just when Gilbert and I got Sense 5 BOOTED on HD2 and also post link for download
HD2 alive
aazzam16661 said:
Just when Gilbert and I got Sense 5 BOOTED on HD2 and also post link for download
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HD2 Always alive.
Pixa1 said:
I believe it's time to move on and get a new device already. My HD2 had a long and fulfilling carrier (4 years). it was flashed about a million times, with all kind's of OS's.The hardware buttons are not working so good anymore, and the screen started to fade. It is working perfectly normal, the SlimRom is on it and i think it'll probably be the last one that i flashed.
Now I have my eyes on Xiaomi Mi2s. What do you guys think of it?
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i ‘m a chinese，in China ，Xiaomi MI2s is 1999 RMB，
Advantage：Strong configuration
Shortcomings：severe fever
I recommend you to buy MEIZU MX2 or HTC
i think it's the best phone ever but the chronic problem of screen display is annoying, i will wait for htc hd3
I have got an HD2 and a OneX, and in my opinion, even if the OneX is much more powerful and is much newer, i do prefer HD2: I simply adore it, i've tried many roms, many android versions and every time a new version of android is released, it ends out that HD2 can run it... i really hope mine will never break, otherwise i will cry a lot
moreover, I would like to thank all of the developers that never let that phone die
just like twoxx said, i too suggest you to buy a new hd2, it's probably the only device in the world that can run so many different OS...
lost the plot
broke the hd2 that I still have, and probably will never let go...
A new age A new time
this is very bad , buy a new HD2
Pixa1 said:
I believe it's time to move on and get a new device already. My HD2 had a long and fulfilling carrier (4 years). it was flashed about a million times, with all kind's of OS's.The hardware buttons are not working so good anymore, and the screen started to fade. It is working perfectly normal, the SlimRom is on it and i think it'll probably be the last one that i flashed.
Now I have my eyes on Xiaomi Mi2s. What do you guys think of it?
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now u think u quit hd2 but I have a question about straight 24 hrs I am trying to convert my hd2 (t mobile LEO) to android, I manage to come to mgldr 1.13 installed and trying to put CWM on it, but easy android or some others having problem with my vista on usb initialization I go back to T mobile stock rom and tying to find out how I am going to pass this, any suggestions?
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now u think u quit hd2 but I have a question about straight 24 hrs I am trying to convert my hd2 (t mobile LEO) to android, I manage to come to mgldr 1.13 installed and trying to put CWM on it, but easy android or some others having problem with my vista on usb initialization I go back to T mobile stock rom and tying to find out how I am going to pass this, any suggestions?
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try to install android without easy android ot other similar tool