Okay when i originally debranded my phone i flashed it about 6 times, now i told a mate, to which he replied "be careful because phones can only handle so much before the phone will break". Now obviously there must be some sort of limit, but what sorta number am i looking at?
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lol, "6", I've done that in a day, a few times, not sure, never even entered my mind in fact that there might be a limit.
theoretically, there is a limit on how often a memory module can be flashed. but it's somewhere around a few thousand times, if not more.... definately nowhere near 6
I've done more than 6 times in a day when we got 1st root & it was kinda difficult to root
beno1 said:
theoretically, there is a limit on how often a memory module can be flashed. but it's somewhere around a few thousand times, if not more.... definately nowhere near 6
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let him try, then he will say oh the flashing limit is a gazillion times
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Is too much flashing bad for our phones? I've seen people asking sellers how many times they've flashed their phones with custom ROMs and this worries me . I do do a task 29 before every flash btw... Just wondering of any side effects of over-flashing.
you can do around 100,000 to 1,000,000 read/write operations to each cell in flash memory before it starts to enter danger territory.
So no, its very unlikely to cause any issues unless you change rom every day for 30 years.
(in theory, anyway, anyone stress tested the flashing process?)
This is news to me!
I didn't know flashing could damage a phone!
But surly you'd have to flash 100's/1000's of times before that!?
only an idiot wouldn't read up on each rom and flash after flash after flash afte... (you get my point lol)
lonelykatana said:
only an idiot wouldn't read up on each rom and flash after flash after flash afte... (you get my point lol)
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you, sir, are clearly NOT a Beta Tester
uh oh!
Dear readers,
This is really a valid topic - flashing is a bad bad thing.
Especially out side of schools.....get u in all sorts of trouble.
- I flash every few days - end up spending my friday nights doing it sometimes - thats gotta be bad news!!
Yeah, it's not so much how often you do it.
The fact is, each time you flash, you risk bricking your phone.
The Law of Averages will run into Murphy's Law at some point and you're gonna be screwed ;-)
I've flashed my Excalibur about 20 times, my Wing about 30, my Kaiser 12 and my Rhodium 3 times (HardSPL, Radios don't count!). I haven't bricked a phone since 2007, but sooner or later this will catch up to me too :-D
I'm flashing many years many times a day and never bricked a phone.
5 to 10 times a day believe it or not.
Knock on wood.
Snarksneeze said:
Yeah, it's not so much how often you do it.
The fact is, each time you flash, you risk bricking your phone.
The Law of Averages will run into Murphy's Law at some point and you're gonna be screwed ;-)
I've flashed my Excalibur about 20 times, my Wing about 30, my Kaiser 12 and my Rhodium 3 times (HardSPL, Radios don't count!). I haven't bricked a phone since 2007, but sooner or later this will catch up to me too :-D
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General everyday read/writes to the filesystem represent a LOT more wear than 10, 100 or 1000 ROM flashes during the phone's life.
Well, every Data the phone saves on its internal memory and every Data thats viewed by you (includes booting) will read/write the internal memory.
Flash Memory has a limited lifetime due its material wearout.
If you will ever get to this point within warrenty it maybe covered .
Only think you can do against it is to take out battery and never ever touch your phone.
I remember maybe a couple of years ago in the Touch Pro forums, there were a few cases of people "killing" there Touch Pros by overflashing. This worried me for a while, but since I only ever reflash probably about once a week and buy/sell every 6-12 months, I don't think it will ever cause me a problem.
I haven't seen a recurrance of this problem since my Touch Pro days, so maybe something was different about that particular device. But now I feel like I've tempted fate, I'm not gonna say any more!
SAME
Laurentius26 said:
I'm flashing many years many times a day and never bricked a phone.
5 to 10 times a day believe it or not.
Knock on wood.
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I have flashed many times a day including beta testing for many roms/phones currently my HTC G1 is acting really wierd lately ever since I flashed that EXTREMLY SUPER FAST ROM and its been acting as if it were bricked at times, it wont even boot up it gives me that black screen (when you have a brick) so im going to an OEM rom and stop flashing for that phone now just to be safe
But I think I have flashed THOUSANDS of times my 2 EXCALIBURS, WING, TILT, TILT2, G1, Mytouch, and my cool new HD2 and not a SINGLE BRICKED
Im soo proud of myself haha lol
Laurentius26 said:
I'm flashing many years many times a day and never bricked a phone.
5 to 10 times a day believe it or not.
Knock on wood.
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lol i flash as much myself
Hey folks... Ever since I got my HD2 a couple months ago, I've been trying to troubleshoot why my data speeds never exceed 800kb/s, despite the "h" always showing at the top of the screen.
I only used WinMO 6.5 for about a week before moving over to SD Android. While using SD Android, I tried many different ROM/radio combos, as well as modified build.prop files. No matter what I did, my speeds were always topped out at 700-800kb/s.
I contacted T-Mobile (U.S.), and explained my data performance. They said service in my area was fine, and there was no problem on their end. They even had me check to ensure I had a newer SIM card.
I'm now running Windows Phone 7, and actually saw a decrease in speeds down to 500kb/s.
Is there any way that HSPL/SPL are impacting this performance?
Its both puzzling and frustrating when other TMOUS users are getting 2-plus mb/s data speeds.
nova hands said:
Is there any way that HSPL/SPL are impacting this performance?
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Short answer - no. It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. It literally starts your OS and nothing more.
johncmolyneux said:
Short answer - no. It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. It literally starts your OS and nothing more.
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Oh well. Thought I'd ask.
I've tried everything else...
Its almost like the HSDPA never got switched on here...
nova hands said:
Oh well. Thought I'd ask.
I've tried everything else...
Its almost like the HSDPA never got switched on here...
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Unfortunately, you're very unlikely to get a data provider that actually says "Yeah, our network's just a bit crap." Besides, there's all sorts of unknowns that can affect your signal strength, all of which are external to the phone.
I generally have a poor signal at home. I'm lucky if it ever says 3G, never mind HSPA. I just have wifi on all the time instead.
hey just wondering, is there a limit on how man times u can flash ur nand on hd2. cause i have already flashed mine like 20 times, but just wondering to be on the safe side.
20 times, as most on here will probably tell you is amateur season..lol.
Seriously tho'......I don't wanna even think about how many times i've flashed...lol....scary.
Ok, i will think.....probably 1-3 times a day for nand since the very first day nand was out and probably total flashes ever since i ownded my hd2 = 700-1000 times...lol
hd2 is stronggggggg as long as u look after it.
matt
ps: OMG...i've just realised a maths equation: amount of flashes = me= no life!! lol
matthew33 said:
20 times, as most on here will probably tell you is amateur season..lol.
Seriously tho'......I don't wanna even think about how many times i've flashed...lol....scary.
Ok, i will think.....probably 1-3 times a day for nand since the very first day nand was out and probably total flashes ever since i ownded my hd2 = 700-1000 times...lol
hd2 is stronggggggg as long as u look after it.
matt
ps: OMG...i've just realised a maths equation: amount of flashes = me= no life!! lol
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HAHA......well i just got my hd2 like a month ago and didnt know anything about it, until i found this angelic website on google.
Considering moderm flash memories, the number would be in tens of thousands before the internal flash/nand gives away.
Hello, I'm new to the whole Android thing, but I managed to recently root my Shift, and I can attest to the addictive properties of trying out ROMS/Kernels and all that good stuff. But I was worried about the idea of all this flashing I'm doing, as in the month or so I've been rooted I've flashed about four ROMS, messed up a few times, done a good 5 or 6 Nandroid restores/backups. I was just curios to know if this is excessive, or if this could damage my phone in any way. Thanks for any help guys!
P.S., I apologize if this is either in the wrong thread, or has already been answered >_< I'm still a young'un
As far as I know by flashing a lot you can damage the relationship with your wife or g/f due to spending a lot of time doing it.. besides that I believe that the only way you can damage your phone is due to a bad flash or flashing something that wasn't exactly supported by the Shift.
I recall this discussion back when I had a TouchPro2, I don't know if it applies to the Shift as well but I assume it does. From my understanding it was determined by people far more informed than me that flashing would eventually wear out the NAND memory...but it would take more flashes than even the most fiendish flashaholic could complete in the phones lifetime to do. This is what I know from discussions of a past phone, I'm not claiming anything about the lifetime of the phone and take no responsibility if you flash 5000 ROMS tonight and your NAND burns out. lol
I think the only way you can actually brick your phone from flashing is if you flash a bad ratio from like a gsm carrier to a cdma phone. Might be wrong. Cause even if you flash a bad rom as long as you have a working recovery you can always just reflash a new rom or ruu
I think his underlying question may have to do with the fact that every NAND flash memory module has a limited number of writes in its lifetime before it can't write another bit and tell whether or not the module is in the 0 or 1 state.
This is also why data2ext/apps2ext etc anything that constantly writes information to your SD card will also degrade the lifetime of the SD card.
Basically yes, in principle the number of times you write new data to the phone's built-in memory, you shave off another write from its life. But I don't think this is significant at all. Just as a reference, I'm sure there are people with the original G1 who have flashed a countless number of times over several years and still have it working.
^^This.
If it gives you peace of mind, think about how many times a ROM chef's phone gets flashed in its lifetime and usually if the phone dies it's on account of flashing something experimental that bricks the phone (wrong radio, etc.) I've never heard of someones NAND actually burning out. I flashed my TouchPro and TouchPro2 quite literally hundreds of times if that makes you feel better.
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As far as I know by flashing a lot you can damage the relationship with your wife or g/f due to spending a lot of time doing it.. besides that I believe that the only way you can damage your phone is due to a bad flash or flashing something that wasn't exactly supported by the Shift.
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THIS. Main danger.
^ Shift Faced
jesusice said:
THIS. Main danger.
^ Shift Faced
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Agreed!
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Thanks for all the answers, you guys are great I really appreciate your help. You're replies have put my mind at ease seeing as my level of flashing honestly doesn't seem that excessive compared to that of a developer's.
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On my HeroC I changed roms two to three times a week. When CM6 came out, it was everyday (with full wipe) thanks to the nightlies. Then aosp started releasing his stuff in IRC yada yada.
My heroc made it well over a year of that torture. My wife did as well, barely.
so i finally decided it was time to root my s7 but I noticed that after finishing the installation process that 1. my phone isnt saving my wifi password so i have to type in my password everytime i get home or disconnect. 2. apps take way too long to install from the playstore . 3. phone lags too much when doing anything on it, launch any app, freezes for 3-4 secs, pressing power or home key to unlock it,2-6 secs to actually unlock takes 3 secs.
i love rooting my phones but for the first time i gotta say that i regret doing it i am not getting any benefits out of this. but i know you guys might have a solution for this so please let me know and if i have to install something put the links or give me the name so that i can look it up. thanks
lagunas11 said:
so i finally decided it was time to root my s7 but I noticed that after finishing the installation process that 1. my phone isnt saving my wifi password so i have to type in my password everytime i get home or disconnect. 2. apps take way too long to install from the playstore . 3. phone lags too much when doing anything on it, launch any app, freezes for 3-4 secs, pressing power or home key to unlock it,2-6 secs to actually unlock takes 3 secs.
i love rooting my phones but for the first time i gotta say that i regret doing it i am not getting any benefits out of this. but i know you guys might have a solution for this so please let me know and if i have to install something put the links or give me the name so that i can look it up. thanks
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So you're a senior member but your lazy ass never noticed the post about fixes months ago on here?
nitroevo said:
So you're a senior member but your lazy ass never noticed the post about fixes months ago on here?
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i havent been on xda for quite a while, havent been here since the s7 came out and saw all kinds of posts here absolutely but dont know which one applies to mine, dont want to odin something i shouldnt and not fix MY issue, as far as help goes, if you arent here to help then go away.
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i havent been on xda for quite a while, havent been here since the s7 came out and saw all kinds of posts here absolutely but dont know which one applies to mine, dont want to odin something i shouldnt and not fix MY issue, as far as help goes, if you arent here to help then go away.
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YOUR issue is the same thread I'm talking about. Look for s7 edge bug fixes root etc. You're welcome. Use the search next time.
Hmm. Not sure why you're experiencing lag. It should be super smooth and super fast! Try flashing CyanogenMod. First, remember to unlock your bootloader though.
Seriously. It sounds like you should have gotten a different phone because if that's what you wanted you chose the wrong one.
Locked bootloader, engineering kernel messes with too much on the phone and it's your only option if you wanted root.
Really now... this has been discussed only about 226,855,195 times within the QC S7 and S7 Edge forums. We all know that root sucks and for some it's better than nothing. Nobody is doing anything because so far nothing can be done that is to include whining about it to Samsung or T-Mobile.
Any other questions?
Yes we get pissy over this because it's literally ALL over the forum. I can't go a single day without reading posts like this and it's like rubbing salt in a wound that won't heal because it keeps happening over and over again. This forum is at least 80% of what you're asking about. Nitroevo is justified in his response to you because we find it hard to believe that it would have taken you less time to post a new thread than it would have been to read a little. Sorry to be blunt about it but it just comes across as being a bit lazy and while some of us have busted our butts to simplify everything for NEW members... along comes someone that has been around for a few years should be capable of doing that for some reason takes it all for granted. So yeah... we get raw about it. Like I said, sorry for the bluntness.
P.S.
And if root means that much to you... seriously, get a different (non-Samsung) phone.
If you still REALLY want Samsung (for whatever reason) then get the Exynos version. That one is capable of a unlocked bootloader which means a heck of a lot more.
(I spent way too much time on this. Way more than I wanted a should have.)