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I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?

macaraballojr said:
I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?
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I DONT THINK SO BUT ILL SEARCH AROUND I THINK ITS STILL A 2/2.5G PHONE

no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g

thnx a lot guys i just found out also that it does not...
do you know of n e htc devices that will support it?

tilt/kaiser supports it but i heard that there is a video driver conflict though even so its a good phone

I only supports up to EDGE.

Rudegar said:
no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g
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eature Summary (T-Mobile Wing™)
Bluetooth®: 2.0*
Auto pairing
Browser:
WAP 2.0
WAP 1.x
HTTP 1.1
SSL 3.0
EDGE: Class B
GPRS: Class R99
Synchronization: ActiveSync
USB Support
USB mass storage: not enabled by default
Wi-Fi
Messaging
RIGHT OFF TMO SITE
(IGNORE THE CAPS).

Can't wait ... I will most likely get the Kaiser. My buddy just bought one and I unlocked it for him. Sweet phone. Much much smoother

the tilt or any phone that doesnt have 1700mhz 3g wont work on t mobile. just so you know the mhz spectrum t mo is using for their 3g is exclusive to them, they paid alot of money for that privilege. so if youre getting a 3g phone to use with the upcoming tmo 3g you better make sure its compatible other wise youll be stuck on edge.

so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g

chris82o said:
so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g
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Nope, it's like asking if there's anything that can be done so that you can fly your car. Technically, with enough money, knowledge and skills YEA, lots of stuff... but realistically, no. Unfortunately, it's a hardware that's just not there.

What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?

taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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Yes.... you need a different radio to pick up the 3G sig

taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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An unlock Herald is like a car that has been converted to run on E85. Just because it can run regular petrol/gas or E85 doesn't mean it can fly. (Sorry, I'm in a metaphorical mood...)
But it just won't work.

at the moment there arent alot of phones that can run on tmo's 3g, and as far as i know theres no smart phone or ppc (official ones) that are capable using tmos 3g. but dont worry im sure theyre gonna surprise us with something. i personally am gonna try to wait until the android platform comes out before i jump on another $300+ phone.

HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?

neoobs said:
HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?
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hmm... that'd be interesting... the Tmobile Diamond...

Thats A Phone Im Willing To Get

I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL

neoobs said:
I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL
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lol yea but i think the 1700 band was just released from the fcc
tmobile has it working in ny but not in a few places also that the 3g network isnt supposed to fully functional untill 2009 so we still have some time to go, so that means when the 3g phones come out ill get the full rebate for it
yay
but how did thiis thread become so out of topic
lol

Arc not 3G compatible in US?

Hello,
Maybe you guys can help me clarify something for me. I want to buy this phone and get the unlocked version. Only problem is no matter which seller I'm looking at on Ebay they're all saying "3G Not compatible in the U.S" which means I'll be running at 2G and I actually considered this ok because i really want to this phone. But I want to know why it won't work? If it's a GSM phone and it would work with AT&T & T-Mobile my local carriers why wouldn't it give me 3G speeds?
I really want this phone because I wanted something different, something you won't see out here much. Plus I wanted to get back to Sony phones after playing with other manufactors. Can anyone help clear this is up for me?

Nishua said:
But I want to know why it won't work? If it's a GSM phone and it would work with AT&T & T-Mobile my local carriers why wouldn't it give me 3G speeds?
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For the same reason that a T-Mobile US GSM handset won't give you 3G on AT&T - it's the wrong frequency.
Most of the world uses the 2100MHz band for UMTS/HSDPA but AT&T are awkward and use 1900MHz and 850MHz and T-Mobile are even more awkward and use the extremely unusual 1700MHz band.

Nishua said:
Hello,
Maybe you guys can help me clarify something for me. I want to buy this phone and get the unlocked version. Only problem is no matter which seller I'm looking at on Ebay they're all saying "3G Not compatible in the U.S" which means I'll be running at 2G and I actually considered this ok because i really want to this phone. But I want to know why it won't work? If it's a GSM phone and it would work with AT&T & T-Mobile my local carriers why wouldn't it give me 3G speeds?
I really want this phone because I wanted something different, something you won't see out here much. Plus I wanted to get back to Sony phones after playing with other manufactors. Can anyone help clear this is up for me?
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LT15i = T-Mobile 3G bands
LT15a = AT&T 3G bands

augie7107 said:
LT15i = T-Mobile 3G bands
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No, the LT15i doesn't support the AWS (1700MHz) band so it won't support T-Mobile US's 3G service.

Step666 said:
No, the LT15i doesn't support the AWS (1700MHz) band so it won't support T-Mobile US's 3G service.
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T-Mobile also uses 2100

Hmm I thought that tmobile U. S used the same 3G bands as europe. So in theory it should work right?
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augie7107 said:
T-Mobile also uses 2100
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No they don't.
T-Mobile's 3G uses a ~1700MHz frequency to upload and a ~2100MHz frequency to download, this is the '1700MHz band', also referred to as 'AWS' or 'UMTS band IV'.
Compare this to the '2100MHz band' ( or 'UMTS band I') which uses a frequency of ~1900MHz to upload and a frequency of ~2100MHz to download. The two are not cross-compatible.
The LT15i supports the 2100MHz band but not the 1700MHz band, so no 3G on T-Mobile.
If you don't believe me, feel free to read this thread on T-Mobile US's own site.
People with handsets that only support the 2100MHz band don't get 3G service.
Hero Yu said:
Hmm I thought that tmobile U. S used the same 3G bands as europe.
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They don't.

[No they don't.
T-Mobile's 3G uses a ~1700MHz frequency to upload and a ~2100MHz frequency to download, this is the '1700MHz band', also referred to as 'AWS' or 'UMTS band IV'.]
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
You obviously know more about this than I do.
I do believe your first two statements are contradictory.
You state "no they don't" and then go on to say "they use a 2100 to download"
All other SE "I" version phones work with T-Mobile 3G, correct?

augie7107 said:
[No they don't.
T-Mobile's 3G uses a ~1700MHz frequency to upload and a ~2100MHz frequency to download, this is the '1700MHz band', also referred to as 'AWS' or 'UMTS band IV'.]
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
You obviously know more about this than I do.
I do believe your first two statements are contradictory.
You state "no they don't" and then go on to say "they use a 2100 to download"
All other SE "I" version phones work with T-Mobile 3G, correct?
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They never make anything the same. They may work or they may not. You should pay attention to every details of any product you are buying, no general rules existing with any product specially gadgets which they get a new technology everyday.

augie7107 said:
I do believe your first two statements are contradictory.
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I can see why you might think that but it's not contradictory because band and frequency are not the same.
If we look at the specs for the Arc, it says says '3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100' (that's the LT15i, the line below is the frequencies supported by the LT15a).
Those numbers refer to UMTS bands I and VIII as listed here.
As you can see from the page on Wikipedia, every band operates on two different frequencies, one for uploading and one for downloading. This is to avoid interference.
So even though the download frequencies of the 1700 band and the 2100 band are the same, the two bands are not compatible as the upload frequencies are different (sorry for all the underlining, it just makes it easier to explain...).
It would be a lot simpler if each band's upload and download frequencies were distinct, it would be far less confusing but I guess there's some sort of reason why things are the way they are...
augie7107 said:
All other SE "I" version phones work with T-Mobile 3G, correct?
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I don't think so, not unless they say they support the 1700/AWS band.
Basically, unless a phone's specs say it supports 1700MHz for 3G (or mentions AWS support, which means the same thing), it should be assumed that it won't give you 3G on T-Mobile US.
Though this all starts to become even more confusing when local roaming agreements are factored in but I don't really know anything about that to be honest.

Nishua said:
Hello,
Maybe you guys can help me clarify something for me. I want to buy this phone and get the unlocked version. Only problem is no matter which seller I'm looking at on Ebay they're all saying "3G Not compatible in the U.S" which means I'll be running at 2G and I actually considered this ok because i really want to this phone. But I want to know why it won't work? If it's a GSM phone and it would work with AT&T & T-Mobile my local carriers why wouldn't it give me 3G speeds?
I really want this phone because I wanted something different, something you won't see out here much. Plus I wanted to get back to Sony phones after playing with other manufactors. Can anyone help clear this is up for me?
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In short:
LT15i: 2G will work just fine on both AT&T and T-Mobile. 3G will NOT work on either network.
LT15a: 2G will work just fine on both AT&T and T-Mobile. 3G will ONLY work with AT&T.

so my concerns is..if i am using T Mobile right now...it means I am doomed right? Even the new T mobile 4G(whatever they wanna call it) wont get me the right internet speed to blast the phone?

felixlaw11114 said:
so my concerns is..if i am using T Mobile right now...it means I am doomed right? Even the new T mobile 4G(whatever they wanna call it) wont get me the right internet speed to blast the phone?
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att bought tmobile couple of weeks back , so ask if they are sharing the 3G frequencies now

alsaqr said:
att bought tmobile couple of weeks back , so ask if they are sharing the 3G frequencies now
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I am not sure that went completely though. It is still hanging with no solution...

Nimche said:
I am not sure that went completely though. It is still hanging with no solution...
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if i assume they are not sharing frequency..the only way for me to enjoy 3G/4G internet is to use AT&T?

felixlaw11114 said:
so my concerns is..if i am using T Mobile right now...it means I am doomed right? Even the new T mobile 4G(whatever they wanna call it) wont get me the right internet speed to blast the phone?
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'4G' has nothing to do with any of this - that's just speed, it doesn't change which band T-Mobile use.
alsaqr said:
att bought tmobile couple of weeks back , so ask if they are sharing the 3G frequencies now
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They're not.
The merger hasn't even been approved yet, let alone any sort of migration of customers.
If the merger is approved, you're talking anywhere from 1 year to 3 before you see any real-world differences like the ones you're suggesting.

...um...I am doom-ed then..
I read their press and their said the deal wont close until the end of the year

Assuming the regulators allow it to go ahead at all.
There are, rightly so, concerns about a single national GSM-based network and the knock-on effect that would have on competition.

seems like I got a smart phone that not gonna be that smart

augie7107 said:
T-Mobile also uses 2100
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tmo uses 1700 downlink and 2100 uplink. phone must support both freqs to get 3G. LT15i does not support 1700, hence 3G will not work.

[Q] 4g speed on at&t phone.

Hello everyone
i just bought a brand new samsung infuse locked to at&t. I got it unlocked to use it with tmobile.i am currently using mytouch4g. i am able to use infuse after unlocking with tmobile but can not get 4g data speed on infuse.it only gives me EDGE speed
is there any setting out here that i can use that will give me 4g speed on samsung infuse using tmobile sim just like i get with mytouch4g. and i want to use it with tmobile USA.
please help
thanks in advance

No reply to help me. Please guys id anyone have any answer this .
I would really appricate this.
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EDGE is 4G on AT&T. just kidding
I would check what you have it set to under phone options, dail *#*#4636#*#*, and check what band you have selected, as well as correct APN settings.

ATT's 4G bands are not the same at T-Mobile's 4G bands. Wont work no way no how.

@ chris it says gsm/wcdma auto(prl)
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AT&T is using 1900 MHz (850 MHz in some markets) for 3G. T-Mobile will use 1700 MHz for download and 2100 MHz for upload or pretend I didn't say anything and keep trying something that isn't doable. that's your call

like jay says it doesn't have the correct network band antennas,
just sell it, new smartphones are coming out weekly.
and 4G is gimmicky, best of luck,

Thank you so much guys for trying to help. Do you guys think if root my phone and install custom rom. Is there any chance of getting 4g speed then?
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ipaq dude said:
Thank you so much guys for trying to help. Do you guys think if root my phone and install custom rom. Is there any chance of getting 4g speed then?
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it's a hardware limitation

check the APNs. I got an Atrix and my downloads on HSPA+ were between 2 and 3. Then I changed the APNs, they had 4 options. THen I got 5-7 downloads. Thats the closest to 4G you'll get on ATT

DiamondJay20 said:
check the APNs. I got an Atrix and my downloads on HSPA+ were between 2 and 3. Then I changed the APNs, they had 4 options. THen I got 5-7 downloads. Thats the closest to 4G you'll get on ATT
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Are you sure it's not just the amount of traffic in your area?
Here in NYC, i've hit anywhere from 1.5Mbps down all the way up to 6+Mbps down

wow thanks for the info.are you on tmobile also ?
if yes do you mind sharing your apn settings.
i get good 4g speed with mytouch 4g which is tmobile branded device.
Thanks again for your inputs to help me out.
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Are you sure it's not just the amount of traffic in your area?
Here in NYC, i've hit anywhere from 1.5Mbps down all the way up to 6+Mbps down
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ipaq dude said:
wow thanks for the info.are you on tmobile also ?
if yes do you mind sharing your apn settings.
i get good 4g speed with mytouch 4g which is tmobile branded device.
Thanks again for your inputs to help me out.
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ATT
Never tweaked and still on the cingular wap setting
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ipaq dude said:
wow thanks for the info.are you on tmobile also ?
if yes do you mind sharing your apn settings.
i get good 4g speed with mytouch 4g which is tmobile branded device.
Thanks again for your inputs to help me out.
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I hate to burst your bubble but there is no way you are going to get the AT&T device to work on T-Mobile's 3G, nevermind "4G"/HSPA. Sorry.

right... It has to do with the phone and the hardware... aka - the stuff they build the phone with. Its like if you try to use a phone to receive xm radio frequencies... it's not going to work... If you have a phone with the ATT bands they will NEVER work the same on Tmobile. But you can get Edge on any GSM network. Hope this helps. Search for att cellular bands on Google and compare them with Tmobile cellular bands.

Sorry to say it but the guys are correct! ALL of the AT&T 4G phone are quad band GSM phones! They work on the 850/1900 frequencies for all data and communication purposes in the USA! T-Mobile uses 1700! So basically you should have done a little more homework before you ran out and spent all that money!
If you are lucky you can still sell it and maybe get your money back!
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yes i know.what waste i hope i will be able to sell it.thank you guys anyways.
souperman7340 said:
Sorry to say it but the guys are correct! ALL of the AT&T 4G phone are quad band GSM phones! They work on the 850/1900 frequencies for all data and communication purposes in the USA! T-Mobile uses 1700! So basically you should have done a little more homework before you ran out and spent all that money!
If you are lucky you can still sell it and maybe get your money back!
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Wont work at all. Different bands. That is the one crappy part. TMO uses there oddball 1900 MHZ or something like that.

mediq91 said:
Wont work at all. Different bands. That is the one crappy part. TMO uses there oddball 1900 MHZ or something like that.
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They use 1700 and 2100 (both are required by the phone).

are you tmobile customers ready for some badass phones?!!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/...dts-seven-year-umts-roaming-agreement-gets-d/
What that basically does is TMO and ATT will SHARE the spectrum, meaning their phones have to have the same bands, and you guys know that ATT gets most of the cool phones and TMO usually gets nothing but Galaxy S series as its top of the line phone.
That's really good news, i actually like it.
discuss?

Is there a list of what towers TMO received.

Does this mean i can use an unlocked international phone with 2100 mhz HSPA+ on t-mobile and still get 3G?

Tmobile gonna have iphone now? Hells yeah

Sweet news. T-mobile just surprised me with a comeback!

Wait, how does this mean we get their phones too? Is it just because we're gonna share the same network?
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Nabeel10 said:
Wait, how does this mean we get their phones too? Is it just because we're gonna share the same network?
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This is only good if answer to my question above is yes. I mean can we use unlocked world phones? I can get a used galaxy s2 international version and use on t mobile. That will be awesome!

Nabeel10 said:
Wait, how does this mean we get their phones too? Is it just because we're gonna share the same network?
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It'll be sharing the same spectrum, meaning their phones will be compatible with TMO's network.
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This is only good if answer to my question above is yes. I mean can we use unlocked world phones? I can get a used galaxy s2 international version and use on t mobile. That will be awesome!
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I honestly can't answer that, but just opinion wise, i think thats a no. International phones have different bands than that of ATT or TMO, but if ATT gets a phone that we don't (iphone) we SHOULD be able to use it.

They aren't sharing spectrum, they have a roaming deal. Which is totally different.

T-Mobile has had some nice phone though, didn't we have the first dual core? The Sensation, Amaze, G2X, and SGS2 are all top of the line.
Just curious though, wouldn't this mean that At&t's already terrible data speeds will become worse, since more people will be using the same spectrum?

My unlocked 3gs is still just hitting edge..guess im not in the area affected by this.
*puts iphone back in dusty corner*
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jamesd86 said:
My unlocked 3gs is still just hitting edge..guess im not in the area affected by this.
*puts iphone back in dusty corner*
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Pretty sure it hasn't happened yet.
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Most of the current international phones are compatible with ATTs 2100 mhz HSPA+ network. Not LTE though. But i think what this new arrangement is to use ATT towers only for roaming where tmobile towers are not available. All t mobile phones do support the 2100 band, so that makes sense. But Att phones cannot work on tmobile 3G/HSPA+ 850 mhz band.

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Most of the current international phones are compatible with ATTs 2100 mhz HSPA+ network. Not LTE though. But i think what this new arrangement is to use ATT towers only for roaming where tmobile towers are not available. All t mobile phones do support the 2100 band, so that makes sense. But Att phones cannot work on tmobile 3G/HSPA+ 850 mhz band.
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Yep. I wouldn't go buying an AT&T device just yet. They're not merging their networks. They're just letting TMo customers use their network in some areas. This isn't a full frequency overlap of the companies' networks as the OP is implying.

Guys get a Windows Phone 7 phone!
So smoooth and sliickk!!! Lol
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VeryCoolAlan said:
Guys get a Windows Phone 7 phone!
So smoooth and sliickk!!! Lol
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Lol. By the way, did you guys know that a Windows phone can have it's messaging app destroyed via a text message? Check out this video...

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Lol. By the way, did you guys know that a Windows phone can have it's messaging app destroyed via a text message? Check out this video...
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...hey alan can i have your number? >.>

Wow Alan, figured that's why you've been so quiet lately +.+
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Sharing Spectrum
heygrl said:
They aren't sharing spectrum, they have a roaming deal. Which is totally different.
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I think they are going to be sharing "some" spectrum. It has already started:
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/3887/64/

zoid_99 said:
I think they are going to be sharing "some" spectrum. It has already started:
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/3887/64/
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That's their own spectrum and has nothing to do with AT&T.

[HELP] [URGENT] Looking for a Network work with 2100UMTS

Hi fellows xda, i'm an international student here in the States and I just came 3 days ago. Now after purchasing a T-mobile SIM Card I realize that, T-mobile 3G network does NOT work with my device, which is an iPhone 3Gs unlocked. I do not know its origin because a friend give it away to me, but I can use it normally in Asia so I assume that it uses 900/2100 UMTS band for 3G/HSDPA.
After a while of searching now I know that none of T-mobile nor AT&T support this baseband, so my question is, are there any other U.S service provider that support this band so I can get 3G/HSDPA working on my phone ? I desperately need this feature because I need to skype with my family back home. So please, any suggestion would be helpful. I don't want my phone will be a brick here because it doesn't have internet on it.
Thank so much guys for any help or suggestion. I'm waiting for all your replies.

I think the 3gs has 1900.
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yeah i think so but T-mobile band is 1700.
if you mean I can have EDGE, yes i do. but it just not enough.
thank for your reply.

hey said:
yeah i think so but T-mobile band is 1700.
if you mean I can have EDGE, yes i do. but it just not enough.
thank for your reply.
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T-mobile uses both 1700mHz/2100mHz bands. 1700 for the downlink. 2100 for the uplink. It won't work only on 2100.
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yes i do know that basically my phone will not have any 3G on T-mobile.
so is there any other network provider that will work with my phone ?

hey said:
yes i do know that basically my phone will not have any 3G on T-mobile.
so is there any other network provider that will work with my phone ?
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AT&T
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MrObvious said:
AT&T
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humm...
i don't know if my phone was AT&T either... so i will give it a try.
but i think the most possible that it will not work... because AT&T is 1900 i think...

hey said:
humm...
i don't know if my phone was AT&T either... so i will give it a try.
but i think the most possible that it will not work... because AT&T is 1900 i think...
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I thought the 3Gs had 1900 in the antenna.

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I thought the 3Gs had 1900 in the antenna.
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i don't really know. maybe. i just know for sure that it has 2100 because my country's where i use it with 3g is 2100.
i'll give it a shot this weekend anyway. thanks for the tip.
EDIT: yes, i've search. it does operate on 1900. so i'll be changing to at&t next month then. because i've already payed for the 1-month prepaid t-mobile plan though.
thank you so much
EDIT: but it seems at&t plans are a little bit expensive for a student like me. and i do see complains about the service. so if possible. are there any other network that work with 850/1900/2100 3G baseband ? just curious. so i will be like having a choice. if not, it is att for sure.

hey said:
i don't really know. maybe. i just know for sure that it has 2100 because my country's where i use it with 3g is 2100.
i'll give it a shot this weekend anyway. thanks for the tip.
EDIT: yes, i've search. it does operate on 1900. so i'll be changing to at&t next month then. because i've already payed for the 1-month prepaid t-mobile plan though.
thank you so much
EDIT: but it seems at&t plans are a little bit expensive for a student like me. and i do see complains about the service. so if possible. are there any other network that work with 850/1900/2100 3G baseband ? just curious. so i will be like having a choice. if not, it is att for sure.
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Just get a Straight Talk AT&T SIM. It's 15 bucks for the SIM and 45 for the unlimited calls/sms and "unlimited" data.

MrObvious said:
Just get a Straight Talk AT&T SIM. It's 15 bucks for the SIM and 45 for the unlimited calls/sms and "unlimited" data.
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yeah it is a little too much. like double what i have to pay for my T-mobile. just 30 bucks for the whole package including the SIM already, 100min talk, unlimited sms and data. so it just as good. because i don't call that much though. just data. thanks for the detail anyway. appreciate it. so i'll be heading over att next month.