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well im sure some of you have read post from this guy. about how he is able to read files from his eight gb sd card in is uni even tho it only says 2 gb on his device. has anyone else gotten one of these supposed magical cards and tried it out? i searched on ebay and it seems to be that only one guy has or sells this specific card . is nuclear advertising for this guy , is he a scammer or is this true and we dont know about it yet. please give input if you have gotten one of these cards and have tested it out.
Even all those 4GB SD-cards are already non-standard and not working in most of the devices. From 4GB upwards they have to be SDHC-cards (SD 2.0) which are not supported by the Universal's reader. Sure, it would be possible to manufacture 8GB SD-cards, but it's very unlikely that they work in a lot of devices since SD was never meant to have more than 2GB.
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-mARKUS
well i just saw today that a treo that was supposedly not able to support sdhc is now able to because of a firmware update. check engadgetmobile.com if that can be done with a treo why not the universal. if its a software problem im sure there are people in here that are able to help
Sorry about my long post but i am trying to give as much information as i can in one post.
I am requesting ROM builders to start firmware upgrades to support these 4GB and 8GB cards. Windows Crossbow doesnt support 4GB or 8GB SD only cards, instead it reads them and reformats them changing the firmware of the card to 2GB!!!!... I havent tried SDHC yet. Here are pictures of my 4GB Extreme III SanDisk SD only card. I couldnt upload it here so i zipped them and uploaded them to rapidshare. Helmi's AKU 3.5 ROM doesnt read a card formatted using Crossbow... i dont know its just too many details. I cant think. But I just want to let you guys know that you are right so far on your research. Keep the good work up!
http://rapidshare.com/files/8938902/sandisk_tech_support.zip
I emailed sandisk tech support these images. It seems they havent replied yet. Keep a track on all my threads as i keep posting about these cards everywhere.
Trust me its just because i have a lot of money that i am able to get my hands on these things. And i just keep posting my observations. I would even get my hands on the 32GB card if I could bribe the CEO of SanDisk.
It got reformatted to 2GB.. I am unable to make it 4GB again.
My 8GB card as you can see in pictures on ebay is a samsung make. Its also SD only. 8GB SDHC cards are available to be bought. They are a bit slower then normal SD cards and are cheaper too.
32GB cards will be coming soon in SD or SDHC i believe. I read it in news. Like its totally upto you to believe me or not, my information is very helpful to me but i still encounter problems and it seems not even sandisk can help me
Anyways so its a farse that Universal's SD card readers dont support SDHC. And you can file a lawsuit on SanDisk or Samsung for that. They just want you to spend more money into buying a SDHC card reader.... Truly its the ROM.
ok now i know u r full of shyt. u keep popsting that u have this card and it works but i have yet to see ne photos. u just like the attention u get from lieing through ur teeth. thats pretty sad
i dont know about the 8bg but my 4gb is working no probs,
doesnt matter if its empty, only used 900mb, or any amount in between empty or full, screen grab using SPB explorer of my current card status:
oh and to stop arguments there is no reason why nuclear couldnt download the demo of spb explorer then do a screen grab of his mem card section of memory just like i have in previous post!
so erm, as they say "get your cards out for the lads"
this is the card i got, dont know all the bull**** about this format that format, its slower etc, but this is quicker at loading tomtom sat nav up etc than my other card 1gb puremedia sd card, like i said 4gb, no problems http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SD_MOBYMEMORY_4096_001
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i dont know about the 8bg but my 4gb is working no probs, doesnt matter if its empty, only used 900mb, or any amount in between empty or full, screen grab using SPB explorer of my current card status
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Daddy k, what's your ROM version info? My 4GB card won't work at all in my Jasjar. I suspect a ROM upgrade will fix this, can you confirm it? Thanks! Cheers,
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this is the card i got, dont know all the bull**** about this format that format, its slower etc, but this is quicker at loading tomtom sat nav up etc than my other card 1gb puremedia sd card, like i said 4gb, no problems http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SD_MOBYMEMORY_4096_001
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Thanks, maybe not all 4GB SD cards work in the Universal. Some cards are only meant for cameras. sigh
gibhenry said:
Daddy k, what's your ROM version info? My 4GB card won't work at all in my Jasjar. I suspect a ROM upgrade will fix this, can you confirm it? Thanks! Cheers,
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its the newest qtek one on here, not a cooked one,
details as shown upon bootup:
R:1. 13.00
G:42 47 p8
D:1.90 96 wwe
hope that can be of some help to anyone
I have been using a MyFlash Turbo SD - 4 GB for quite some time. I use it for converted dvd movies, mp3, photos, programs, GPS maps. It is 90% full.
It works very well for me.
ROM: 1.30.77 WWE
Radio: 1.14.10
8GB SD cards work for some people and doesnt work for other people. The best i know it works in digital cameras.
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/samsung-i730-i830-i830w/80943-8-gb-sd-card.html
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8GB SD cards work.
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/samsung-i730-i830-i830w/80943-8-gb-sd-card.html
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I don't know that I come to the same conclusion after reading the thread in the link. It seems questionable at best since two of the posters specifically said it did not work for them.
SDHC compliant devices work with SDHC cards, SD devices do not.
You may be lucky to get one that you can read from, but an SD device will not write to it without screwing it up.
The Universal is SD not SDHC
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SDHC compliant devices work with SDHC cards, SD devices do not.
You may be lucky to get one that you can read from, but an SD device will not write to it without screwing it up.
The Universal is SD not SDHC
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Yo thats a SD card not a SDHC lol. in the email you said SDHD...now you say SDHC... lol
this is total bull, i have came to two conclusions after reading all these post.
1 -now it seems like the only person that sells this specific card that nuclear has is fastmemoryman and he is advertising for him. IF that is the case then i tell u guys not to deal with this scammer cause i bought from him before and was sent a 2 gb card disguised as a 4.
2- Nuclear does indead have a 8 gb card from samsung and is able to put his dvd in it but because sd 2.0 IS backward compatible as i have read it from several sites you are able to use only 4 gb of the 8. so he is putting his dvd in the card but only one movie,
those are the only two possible conclusion there is . so if its not number 1 then its number 2
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this is total bull, i have came to two conclusions after reading all these post.
1 -now it seems like the only person that sells this specific card that nuclear has is fastmemoryman and he is advertising for him. IF that is the case then i tell u guys not to deal with this scammer cause i bought from him before and was sent a 2 gb card disguised as a 4.
2- Nuclear does indead have a 8 gb card from samsung and is able to put his dvd in it but because sd 2.0 IS backward compatible as i have read it from several sites you are able to use only 4 gb of the 8. so he is putting his dvd in the card but only one movie,
those are the only two possible conclusion there is . so if its not number 1 then its number 2
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Yup i think its #2 .... goddamn crossbow screwed up my 8GB card!... Alan knows it. Dont call me a scammer alright... first i am helping you and then you call me a scammer.
Don't bring me into this, I only know what you keep telling me, and what you post here.
I have no way of verifying what you say, one minute things work, one minute they don't, one minute you are developing a crossbow rom, the next you have one from another device.
It might be the language barrier, but half the time it sounds like you tell different stories from one thread to the next.
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Don't bring me into this, I only know what you keep telling me, and what you post here.
I have no way of verifying what you say, one minute things work, one minute they don't, one minute you are developing a crossbow rom, the next you have one from another device.
It might be the language barrier, but half the time it sounds like you tell different stories from one thread to the next.
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Lets see now... i think its the language barrier. You didnt learn your english good enough eh. Howcome i understand whatever you post but you dont understand anything that i post. So far there is only one person i know that understands everything i post. I dont even think Akula would understand what i posted. lol Alan ... i will clarify it again to you. my 8gb card got busted! it doesnt work anymore. crossbow screwed it up. i made crossbow by getting it off another device rom and modifying it! see can I be more clear than that?
I've seen release dated for this larger 12gb memory card fall back over and over ... and now no retail shops are offering a due date of when this memory is to be released.
Did anyone get their hands on a 12gb card?
Was the 12gb skipped over?
Now I see sandisk announcing the soon to be released 16gb next month (June). Are we going to see the same for the 16gb card?
It was always my understanding that SanDisk had made the 12GB card as a proof of concept that was never intended for retail sale -- just something to demo at trade shows until the 16GB cards were ready.
16gigs ... can't wait
SDHC supports up to 32GB.
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SDHC supports up to 32GB.
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affirmative and the TYTN II can read aaaall 32GB of it! This is why smart people use the phone
OMG, what on earth would we need a 32Gb card for???? Theres only so much porn you can watch before someone on the train notices LOL and chances are the battery will die before you see the end LOL
Sorry couldnt resisit
Regards
Jim
i used to think 16Mb RAM chips for my PC were way too much
Uh..
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC
12 and 16 GB are already available
acneman said:
Uh..
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC
12 and 16 GB are already available
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I don't think they are available yet, when you try to order one, it says "out of stock".
Hopefully we'll see them somewhere in June
the cpu usage will peak to 100% and skip frames left and right with the porn.. so yeah.. that will drain the batteries.. i'll just use my zune =/ hate this damn htc phone. i miss the wizard. it made the tilt inferior in video quality. ugh
Jimllfixit said:
OMG, what on earth would we need a 32Gb card for???? Theres only so much porn you can watch before someone on the train notices LOL and chances are the battery will die before you see the end LOL
Sorry couldnt resisit
Regards
Jim
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Way too funny. You can also hold songs, videos, movies, games, gps maps, programs, not to mention portable pc applications you can use via usb. Of course, you can have loads of porn to (ahem) keep you (and hapy go lucky bystanders, lol) focused until the train arrives. Make sure you have a spare a/c adapter as well. and perhaps the kaiser video driver or update will be a motivating factor to watch/play movies, videos, & games.
12GB????? LOL
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981
richabi said:
affirmative and the TYTN II can read aaaall 32GB of it! This is why smart people use the phone
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According to that mymemory.co.uk link the TyTnII will only address 8Gb. Is that just that they haven't tested it with any bigger cards? HTC quote 8Gb too.
Betty_Swallocks said:
According to that mymemory.co.uk link the TyTnII will only address 8Gb. Is that just that they haven't tested it with any bigger cards? HTC quote 8Gb too.
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well it is 32, it probably old info
what idiot designed SDHC to only go to 32GB!? We ran into the space problem at 2GB and they thought of only extending it to 32!? We are going to be there VERY soon and wont be able to go over! Whats next? SDSHC (SD Super High Capacity)? I bet they will only extend that to 64GB.
Can't wait for 32Gb - will finally be able to keep all my music in there, synched with my iPod which spends most of its time in the car now.
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what idiot designed SDHC to only go to 32GB!? We ran into the space problem at 2GB and they thought of only extending it to 32!? We are going to be there VERY soon and wont be able to go over! Whats next? SDSHC (SD Super High Capacity)? I bet they will only extend that to 64GB.
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"It uses the same form factor as SD, but the SD 2.0 standard in SDHC uses a different memory addressing method (sector addressing vs byte addressing), thus theoretically reaching a maximum capacity of up to 2048 GB [2 terabytes]. However the SD Card association have artificially defined the maximum limit of SDHC capacity to 32 GB. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC
Who is to say that 32 GB can't or won't be surpassed in the SDHC format?
Jimllfixit said:
OMG, what on earth would we need a 32Gb card for???? Theres only so much porn you can watch before someone on the train notices LOL and chances are the battery will die before you see the end LOL
Sorry couldnt resisit
Regards
Jim
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TomTom maps of the whole of Europe
Memory-Map Ordnance Survey maps of the whole of the UK @ 1:25k & 1:50K, plus satellite pics
A couple of gigs of MP3s
And a movie or two.
The Memory-Map maps are about 25GB alone.
Why does it only show me 1.23GB available fresh out of the box?
I understand the OS itself takes up room, but I know it can't take up 2.5ishGB of it.
Do we really only have 1.5GB internal memory like the Desire Z despite the 4GB claimed on the T-Mobile and HTC websites?
Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.
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Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.
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As nice as that would be, they wouldn't do that and it'd be extra trouble on HTC's part to accomplish...nothing. Even if Gingerbread was a ridiculously major update, it wouldn't account for another 2.5gb of space...
I think the truth is, we got 1.5gb instead of the claimed 4gb.
Also, I have the full system dump on my PC, and it's only weighing in at 1.7GB (This includes the ~1.3GB userdata partition).
If anyone would like to see a screenshot, give me a shout and I'll upload one.
I was thinking that they may have partitioned off a FAT32 section which you could mount to. Vibrant and the Gentouch have done that. Though from a post on tmobiles board, it didn't look like the missing amount was mounted. Total for the partitions was 2169356.
Hmmm..
What do you see when you plug in your USB, just the SDCard, or do you get a notice about an internal memory as well?
-oldsk00lz
Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command
cat /proc/partitions
and post the result here
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Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command
cat /proc/partitions
and post the result here
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major minor #blocks name
179 0 2203648 mmcb1k0
lord there's so many for me to type it'd be ridic, how do I take a screen shot with the phone so I can upload it? Basically though I go from 0 to 33 in that minor category.
I wonder why I have so many partitions (I'm assuming that's what these all are)
Not cool if it doesn't have the claimed 4GB.
If it doesn't have the claimed 4GB, then maybe someone can start a class action lawsuit?
I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.
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I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.
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They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.
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They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.
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Yeah, I understand it would come and I'd expect it to, just saying that personally I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Honestly I don't see why they'd make it inaccessible, at least not 2.5gb of it. I'm thinking it's only 1.5gb to match the Desire Z hardware, since everything else is the same as far as hardware.
I could be wrong (I don't have a G2). On my vibrant the available space is saying 12.75GB under "Phone storage" but only 1.47 under "Application storage".
I suspect that there's a set application storage area in android up to maybe 1.5GB and then the rest is for the OS and other data (music, movies, files, etc). The Vibrant's storage is 16GB which translates to around 15.xx. Then Android is taking up 1 or so and pre-installed apps only a tiny fraction (50MB or less)...that's why I'm showing 12.75. It's the remainder of the 15-Android (1 or so GB maybe less)+App Space (1.5GB)
Yeah, maybe it's just hidden space that can be unlocked by a custom rom. If the Desire Z only has 1.5GB total, I just have a hard time seeing why they'd hide 2.5GB on the G2.
^ has anyone called HTC and asked why they might only be seeing such low memory when it was supposed to have 4gb? maybe they can give us an answer?
i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02
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i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02
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errr - as "uncool" as advertising 4GB and not delivering it??
seriously, i suspect it's there, just locked or hidden for whatever purposes
i'm sure it is there also. it is a brand new phone, i'm sure it is hiding or waiting to be used for something
apps2sd? using it somehow?
I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2.
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I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2.
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There are most definitely not 2.5gb of bloat apps.
If there was, it'd be impossible for the considerably-more-bloated Desire Z to cope with only 1.5gb of memory.
So I bought my HTC Shift 4G but i think it's Defective. I've called HTC, Sprint, and Bestbuy. The 3 companies say the Phone Has 2 GB Internal Memory(ROM). However my Phone only shows 432MB :
203 MB Apps
69. MB System
159.6 MB Free space
Could it be Defective or They just don't know what they saying.
Would u guys tell me if ur devices are showing the same ??
I bought this phone cuz the 2GB. I'd hate to return it and get the big EPIC!!
thanks!!
I got 431 for applications(internal storage)
I figure the rest is system reserved by the fellows at HTC. That is where the OS/kernel is located. Probably locked away/system mountable only, to prevent us from obtaining root. ( any of you fellows who know better can feel free to correct me.) Just based on knowledge of linux etc. Not much in depth on the droid
Sent from my Evo Shift 4G using XDA App
I'm pretty sure it does in fact have 2GB of internal memory, however it seems like a big chunk of that is taken up by the operating system and maybe some is reserved for system storage/app caches/etc. Not 100% sure but I think that's why.
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So I bought my HTC Shift 4G but i think it's Defective. I've called HTC, Sprint, and Bestbuy. The 3 companies say the Phone Has 2 GB Internal Memory(ROM). However my Phone only shows 432MB :
203 MB Apps
69. MB System
159.6 MB Free space
Could it be Defective or They just don't know what they saying.
Would u guys tell me if ur devices are showing the same ??
I bought this phone cuz the 2GB. I'd hate to return it and get the big EPIC!!
thanks!!
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They are referring to the 2GB SD card thar comes with the phone.
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They are referring to the 2GB SD card thar comes with the phone.
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yep.
Guess you take it back and get an epic.
That's not actually not true, they claimed that the evo only had 1gb of internal memory but came with a 8gig sd card, disproving your theory right there.
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That's not actually not true, they claimed that the evo only had 1gb of internal memory but came with a 8gig sd card, disproving your theory right there.
Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk
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Disproving what theory?
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yep.
Guess you take it back and get an epic.
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Yeah what he said.
No conspiracy theories, just information...
Check here: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2946
It gives you the specs.
This is what I got from Root Explorer:
/app-cache - 4k used, 8.00MB free
/cache - 31.21MB used, 111.01MB free
/data - 351.02MB used, 80.70MB free
/dev - 12K used, 186.59 MB free
/devlog - 4.04MB used, 15.82MB free
/etc - 288.83MB used, 102.53MB free
/system - 288.83MB used, 102.53MB free
I'm not a dev so can't interpret it correctly but it does seem there's lots of memory here and there that could probably be partitioned to the /data folder for more app storage once perm root is achieved.
EDIT: I've removed lots of stock apps so your numbers will not match mine.
The first Shift that I picked up from Best Buy was indeed defective. Not because it wasn't showing the proper amount of memory, but because it locked up on me 5 times in the first hour that I had it. All I could do to get it to turn off is battery pull, and then when I put the battery back in i had a really tough time getting it to turn back on. They swapped it out for me, and my new one has been flawless.
i'm wondering (don't quote me on this) if the extra internal storage is hidden/locked by HTC so there will be room available when the new sense drops? i've heard it's a lot bigger than the current version with the stand-alone navigation/maps that it's going to bring with it.
Has anyone ripped one apart and checked all of the chips on board?
I would take it back to the store and exchange it.
Phone should have around 256mb for apps (With all the stock apps installed)
So we all know tmobile was lying about the 4gb internal memory available (should have been @ least 8 in the first place anyways) and instead we see around 1.5 or so. I'm just wandering if the dev/hackers are looking into a way to counter this and unlock the extra internal memory were supposed to have from stock.
There is no way to unlock the extra memory, it's set like that in the factory. See the Wiki for a detailed explanation.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z
if they can find a way to repartition the 1.5GB into 4GB, which i think is impossible. The wiki explains a lot.
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So we all know tmobile was lying about the 4gb internal memory available (should have been @ least 8 in the first place anyways) and instead we see around 1.5 or so. I'm just wandering if the dev/hackers are looking into a way to counter this and unlock the extra internal memory were supposed to have from stock.
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They did not lie there is that much its just being used for differnt functions dont get your panties in a twist kiddo
ionic7 said:
They did not lie there is that much its just being used for differnt functions dont get your panties in a twist kiddo
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No, it actually *IS* a lie.
The physical part is capable of being 4GB, but half of it was sacrificed **permanently** in order to boost performance and integrity.
There is more than 1.5 available though, its actually about 2.1 total available, 1.5 of which is in the USERDATA partition, the rest is in the SYSTEM and other partitions.
Full explanation located in Wiki
If anyone wants the details on the magically "missing" 2Gb of memory, there is a good explanation in the Wiki.
The consensus is that the hardware has 4Gb but it is permanently partitioned to serve as a 2Gb device with good redundancy and speed.
Explanation: The "missing" 2Gb
Wow, this whole missing memory theme won't ever die, I wish it would already.