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where's my 16gb?!

Ordered my vibrant from androidandme. Upon viewing the internal storage (thru settings and appmonster), I only have a little less than two gigs. Did i get duped?

christpuncher said:
Ordered my vibrant from androidandme. Upon viewing the internal storage (thru settings and appmonster), I only have a little less than two gigs. Did i get duped?
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That's probably just your micro SD card.

Nope. It's there. App storage is 2gb (which by the way is an insane amount.) The 16gb is internal storage for other stuff like media and files that your apps create and use.
Go to the program on your phone called files and hit 'Home'. That's your 16gb and the folder in there called 'sd' is your external SD card.

2gig for app(which is plenty),12gig for internal, and 8gig for sd
Coming from mytouch 3g and g1 I have no complaints
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Well that's a semi bummer. I was hoping to have a little more than ~2gb to fun around with. Thanks guys. Also anyone know how to get rid of the avatar and sims 3 icons?

christpuncher said:
Ordered my vibrant from androidandme. Upon viewing the internal storage (thru settings and appmonster), I only have a little less than two gigs. Did i get duped?
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How much did you pay for your device? Did you order from cellstores.com?

Androidandme.com. I got it for 170 with next day shipping

what do you need more than 2gb for?
I am only semi-angry about the Epic only getting 1GB. The DROID and many other phones have only 256MB or so, and most of those users get long more or less fine, and froyo makes it a non-issue.

who would want more than 2gb? seriously! I had a 512mb partition on my G1 and the same on my N1. holding over 150 apps and didnt even come CLOSE to filling that up, and thats only 25% of what the vibrant has. sheesh.

Once Froyo is out you'll be able to use the full 16GB for app storage.

Kind-of. Not all apps can be moved to SD with Froyo's Apps2SD implementation, some ("protected" ones) still have to stay in the normal App storage.

The phone shouldn't be marketed as such if you don't have access to even half of the advertised storage. its pretty misleading.

well when in the heck is froyo coming out? I ordered a 32gb card for mine which will all be here tuesday. and i will throw this g1 as far as i can!!!!!

christpuncher said:
The phone shouldn't be marketed as such if you don't have access to even half of the advertised storage. its pretty misleading.
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You're kidding, right? It has a formatted capacity of 12.7gb of internal storage. That's the same as having a permanently installed 16gb microSDHC card, with a 2gb partition for apps.
I guess some people just aren't happy unless they can load all 100,000 apps on the Market into their phone.

christpuncher said:
Well that's a semi bummer. I was hoping to have a little more than ~2gb to fun around with. Thanks guys. Also anyone know how to get rid of the avatar and sims 3 icons?
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MicroSD is 2gb and replaceable by any MicroSD you buy in the store.
Internal is 16gb split up like this:
Apps - 2gb
Storage - 14gb
The 14gb internal storage is mounted on:
/sdcard
Your SD card is mounted on:
/sdcard/sd

Satertek said:
Once Froyo is out you'll be able to use the full 16GB for app storage.
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That's going to be crrraazzyyyyy....16GB is a lot of space for apps....but hey why not...I sure would like to control my partitions.

raduque said:
You're kidding, right? It has a formatted capacity of 12.7gb of internal storage. That's the same as having a permanently installed 16gb microSDHC card, with a 2gb partition for apps.
I guess some people just aren't happy unless they can load all 100,000 apps on the Market into their phone.
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....or that they are just not educated on how things work.

kusotare said:
who would want more than 2gb? seriously! I had a 512mb partition on my G1 and the same on my N1. holding over 150 apps and didnt even come CLOSE to filling that up, and thats only 25% of what the vibrant has. sheesh.
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yeah but remember games now can take up to or more than 100 megs

boodies said:
yeah but remember games now can take up to or more than 100 megs
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You have a point. One some are blind to see thinking 2GB is enough....
Can't wait til Froyo!

iunlock said:
You have a point. One some are blind to see thinking 2GB is enough....
Can't wait til Froyo!
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You guys dont seem to get it! The actual App is not 100megs, the apps are like 1-5 megs...the extra 100megs that needs to be downloaded to play said app is stored wherever you decide, whether thats on the internal memory or on an sd card. It is not taken into account in the 2gb storage for app space.
So in that case 2gb is plenty enough for whats out there right now...trust us!

Internal memory...

Why does it only show me 1.23GB available fresh out of the box?
I understand the OS itself takes up room, but I know it can't take up 2.5ishGB of it.
Do we really only have 1.5GB internal memory like the Desire Z despite the 4GB claimed on the T-Mobile and HTC websites?

Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.

ericc191 said:
Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.
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As nice as that would be, they wouldn't do that and it'd be extra trouble on HTC's part to accomplish...nothing. Even if Gingerbread was a ridiculously major update, it wouldn't account for another 2.5gb of space...
I think the truth is, we got 1.5gb instead of the claimed 4gb.

Also, I have the full system dump on my PC, and it's only weighing in at 1.7GB (This includes the ~1.3GB userdata partition).
If anyone would like to see a screenshot, give me a shout and I'll upload one.

I was thinking that they may have partitioned off a FAT32 section which you could mount to. Vibrant and the Gentouch have done that. Though from a post on tmobiles board, it didn't look like the missing amount was mounted. Total for the partitions was 2169356.
Hmmm..
What do you see when you plug in your USB, just the SDCard, or do you get a notice about an internal memory as well?
-oldsk00lz

Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command
cat /proc/partitions
and post the result here

jashsu said:
Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command
cat /proc/partitions
and post the result here
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major minor #blocks name
179 0 2203648 mmcb1k0
lord there's so many for me to type it'd be ridic, how do I take a screen shot with the phone so I can upload it? Basically though I go from 0 to 33 in that minor category.
I wonder why I have so many partitions (I'm assuming that's what these all are)

Not cool if it doesn't have the claimed 4GB.

If it doesn't have the claimed 4GB, then maybe someone can start a class action lawsuit?

I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.

Jorsher said:
I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.
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They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.

keyl10 said:
They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.
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Yeah, I understand it would come and I'd expect it to, just saying that personally I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Honestly I don't see why they'd make it inaccessible, at least not 2.5gb of it. I'm thinking it's only 1.5gb to match the Desire Z hardware, since everything else is the same as far as hardware.

I could be wrong (I don't have a G2). On my vibrant the available space is saying 12.75GB under "Phone storage" but only 1.47 under "Application storage".
I suspect that there's a set application storage area in android up to maybe 1.5GB and then the rest is for the OS and other data (music, movies, files, etc). The Vibrant's storage is 16GB which translates to around 15.xx. Then Android is taking up 1 or so and pre-installed apps only a tiny fraction (50MB or less)...that's why I'm showing 12.75. It's the remainder of the 15-Android (1 or so GB maybe less)+App Space (1.5GB)

Yeah, maybe it's just hidden space that can be unlocked by a custom rom. If the Desire Z only has 1.5GB total, I just have a hard time seeing why they'd hide 2.5GB on the G2.

^ has anyone called HTC and asked why they might only be seeing such low memory when it was supposed to have 4gb? maybe they can give us an answer?

i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02

crr127 said:
i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02
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errr - as "uncool" as advertising 4GB and not delivering it??
seriously, i suspect it's there, just locked or hidden for whatever purposes

i'm sure it is there also. it is a brand new phone, i'm sure it is hiding or waiting to be used for something
apps2sd? using it somehow?

I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2.

Drakon911 said:
I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2.
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There are most definitely not 2.5gb of bloat apps.
If there was, it'd be impossible for the considerably-more-bloated Desire Z to cope with only 1.5gb of memory.

[Q] How can i get more than 1GB internal storage mytouch 4g

I got my mytouch 4g and notice there was only about 1GB available. I want to get closer to the 4GB that they say it has. Anyone get more than 1GB on theirs? I rooted but i looked in applications not sure what to uninstall to get the most space available. from what it looks like around 20mb is largest file I see.

It has the same lock down crap as the G2 that is using it.

march7th said:
It has the same lock down crap as the G2 that is using it.
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Yep, have to wait until the hidden partition hack is resolved and full root is achieved
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App

I find this incredibly shady of tmo to advertise 4GB. If they said 2GB, it would be understandable that some part of that is occupied by the OS and apps. But c'mon, 1/4 of the total? WTF...

HamNCheese said:
I find this incredibly shady of tmo to advertise 4GB. If they said 2GB, it would be understandable that some part of that is occupied by the OS and apps. But c'mon, 1/4 of the total? WTF...
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You guys have to wait for tmo/htc to release a patch or fix for the bug(?). But they may be referring to the total space on the device(inc data/sys/cache) partition combined.

i still think it was false advertisement on their part.. if they would have said 4gb* available were *= 4gb (inc data/sys/cache) then i think a lot of ppl would have been ok with it.
but i just cant return my g2!

-FuRBz- said:
i still think it was false advertisement on their part.. if they would have said 4gb* available were *= 4gb (inc data/sys/cache) then i think a lot of ppl would have been ok with it.
but i just cant return my g2!
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I can understand your frustration (kinda) but wtf would you want 4gb of internal storage for anyway? It's not like you can save music or pictures to it. Even without save to sd you'd be hard pressed to fill up the gig they gave us. Is this just about the principle??
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-FuRBz- said:
i still think it was false advertisement on their part.. if they would have said 4gb* available were *= 4gb (inc data/sys/cache) then i think a lot of ppl would have been ok with it.
but i just cant return my g2!
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to say false advertising is a little out there dont you think? i mean unless this is the first electric device with storage you have ever had :/ anything with storage always includes the stock hardware (look at your ipod for example). if you really wanna get technical you could also complain that it isnt 4gbs in the first place because of how they round disk space
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I can understand your frustration (kinda) but wtf would you want 4gb of internal storage for anyway? It's not like you can save music or pictures to it. Even without save to sd you'd be hard pressed to fill up the gig they gave us. Is this just about the principle?
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great point

its about the principle.. yea i wasn't expecting the whole 4gigs to be available but when you only get 1.2 its pretty upsetting

-FuRBz- said:
its about the principle.. yea i wasn't expecting the whole 4gigs to be available but when you only get 1.2 its pretty upsetting
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true but by the time you would fill that we should have root cracked by then so youll be able to save the apps to sd either way... i just cant find it to be that much to complain about

Listen, people are complaining because 4GB is a lot of space really. They don't need it, but just to see it would make them happy. That's all...
myTouch4G (Glacier)

not having the full 4gb doesnt bother me that much. Just paying for something and expecting to get everything that is advertised leaves me feeling a little shorted out. but that comes with almost everything now a days.

Can Nexus S use 16 GB for apps?

Since it's internal memory, can/will all 16 GB be used for apps?

Nope, it's partitioned. Something like 2gb is partitioned for apps, and the rest shows up just like an sd card would.

uansari1 said:
Nope, it's partitioned. Something like 2gb is partitioned for apps, and the rest shows up just like an sd card would.
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Interesting. But at least then, is it an actual 2GB? Because that's still a hell of a lot more than the ~200 MB I have currently.

uansari1 said:
Nope, it's partitioned. Something like 2gb is partitioned for apps, and the rest shows up just like an sd card would.
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Ah, interesting. I just asked a question in another thread wondering if we could EXT partition the built in memory, but if they section out space that is awesome, especially if it's 2GB as my current EXT is 1GB and it's not even near full.

lol..I think we're the same group asking the same questions.
Doesnt seem anyone is certain. Problem again is forward thinking. 2gig Enough now ? Sure...but what if I want to cache a crap ton of maps ? What if all this 3d/opengl nonsense actually does help game devs what then...games will get larger and larger. Will it be enough for 6 months or a year from now ?

This is exactly how rumors start. When has google or samsung said that the Nexus S will only have 2gb for apps?

sstang2006 said:
This is exactly how rumors start. When has google or samsung said that the Nexus S will only have 2gb for apps?
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While it is true no one stated this officially.... the captivate does this exact thing. 16gb built in with 2gb squared off for app storage.

xManMythLegend said:
lol..I think we're the same group asking the same questions.
Doesnt seem anyone is certain. Problem again is forward thinking. 2gig Enough now ? Sure...but what if I want to cache a crap ton of maps ? What if all this 3d/opengl nonsense actually does help game devs what then...games will get larger and larger. Will it be enough for 6 months or a year from now ?
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Lol, anyone remembers this game in progress?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRDmY0H72r8
It's supposed to have 1 GB of game data.

lostinbeta said:
While it is true no one stated this officially.... the captivate does this exact thing. 16gb built in with 2gb squared off for app storage.
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I can't remember where I read that the iNand is partitioned. I can't find the source now... I thought it was the Techcrunch review of the Engadget preview, but no dice. If I'm wrong, then I'm guessing it's on large partition with a .secure folder like Froyo.

Look at this picture from Engadget. I am guessing from this, it is just 1 GB for the apps.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644045
Edit: To be precise, it is the picture 44 of 53.

subramanianv said:
Look at this picture from Engadget. I am guessing from this, it is just 1 GB for the apps.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644045
Edit: To be precise, it is the picture 44 of 53.
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16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?

Mokurex said:
16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?
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If you're using the phone as a media player, 16gb is definitely not enough for songs and videos and ebooks. What about photos? Not to mention map cache files for any navigation app you are using.
That's why some of us need removable storage...

what I really don't get is that flash memory is pretty damn cheap...why don't they go for broke with the storage?

Mokurex said:
16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?
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Who cares? 1 GB is still 5 times more than what I have now.
By the time that becomes a limiting factor for me, it'll be time to upgrade again
Is this how all Galaxy S phones currently work? 1 GB of app space? Does anyone have one handy?

Paul22000 said:
Who cares? 1 GB is still 5 times more than what I have now.
By the time that becomes a limiting factor for me, it'll be time to upgrade again
Is this how all Galaxy S phones currently work? 1 GB of app space? Does anyone have one handy?
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I had a captivate (but got rid of it to get a nexus one) and you do get 2gb of app storage. I had about 200 or so apps installed with about a gb left.
With the n1 with dark's a2sd, I had to cut back on a lot of apps, about 130 now, and about 30mb left on the phone. Without darktremor's a2sd, i would probably only get 50 or so [small] apps

Mokurex said:
16GB and they only let us use 1GB to store apps? What do they expect us to do with the other 15?
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Don't worry, xda will have a partition hack in about 2 days after release

1GB for apps/cache is a lot.
I currently have ~700MB partitioned off for apps2sdext. With the cache moved to this partition along with apps and app-data, I'm 68% full. This is with 213 apps.
Remember that games usually use the sdcard for their files.
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Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
tmpfs 208156 12 208144 0% /dev
tmpfs 208156 0 208156 0% /mnt/asec
/dev/block/mtdblock3 148480 114004 34476 77% /system
/dev/block/mtdblock5 200960 138912 62048 69% /data
/dev/block/mtdblock4 97280 3168 94112 3% /cache
/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 702873 450251 215122 68% /sd-ext

Paul22000 said:
Interesting. But at least then, is it an actual 2GB? Because that's still a hell of a lot more than the ~200 MB I have currently.
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It should have a huge amount of app storage, because apps can be installed on the data partition and the SD card/storage partition. It's probably about 200MB for the system partition, the rest can be used for app storage. On the Galaxy S phones and Galaxy Tab running 2.2, which have SD slots, you can install apps either on the data partition or the internal storage, not the SD card.

subramanianv said:
Look at this picture from Engadget. I am guessing from this, it is just 1 GB for the apps.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644045
Edit: To be precise, it is the picture 44 of 53.
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Yep, 1gig for internal storage (for app installs/etc..), and 14gigs for internal "external" storage.
Odd because other Galaxy S phones (Captivate/Vibrant), has 2 gigs for Internal Storage and 14 gigs of internal "external" storage.

G2 Internal memory

So we all know tmobile was lying about the 4gb internal memory available (should have been @ least 8 in the first place anyways) and instead we see around 1.5 or so. I'm just wandering if the dev/hackers are looking into a way to counter this and unlock the extra internal memory were supposed to have from stock.

There is no way to unlock the extra memory, it's set like that in the factory. See the Wiki for a detailed explanation.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z

if they can find a way to repartition the 1.5GB into 4GB, which i think is impossible. The wiki explains a lot.

d12unk13astard said:
So we all know tmobile was lying about the 4gb internal memory available (should have been @ least 8 in the first place anyways) and instead we see around 1.5 or so. I'm just wandering if the dev/hackers are looking into a way to counter this and unlock the extra internal memory were supposed to have from stock.
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They did not lie there is that much its just being used for differnt functions dont get your panties in a twist kiddo

ionic7 said:
They did not lie there is that much its just being used for differnt functions dont get your panties in a twist kiddo
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No, it actually *IS* a lie.
The physical part is capable of being 4GB, but half of it was sacrificed **permanently** in order to boost performance and integrity.
There is more than 1.5 available though, its actually about 2.1 total available, 1.5 of which is in the USERDATA partition, the rest is in the SYSTEM and other partitions.

Full explanation located in Wiki
If anyone wants the details on the magically "missing" 2Gb of memory, there is a good explanation in the Wiki.
The consensus is that the hardware has 4Gb but it is permanently partitioned to serve as a 2Gb device with good redundancy and speed.
Explanation: The "missing" 2Gb

Wow, this whole missing memory theme won't ever die, I wish it would already.