What is safer for flashing roms Odin or Clockwork?
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I feel way more comfortable with odin, but thats just me. Had a brick with clockwork, never any trouble with odin. Just ALWAYS use the pda button only.
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I like Odin, just don't like having to take my body glove case off each time! If only Odin worked with battery in.
vlucchetti said:
I like Odin, just don't like having to take my body glove case off each time! If only Odin worked with battery in.
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It does, taking the battery out is just recommended since people will often mess it up their first time. A lot of themes, also, let you reboot straight into download mode as well.
Personally, I feel safer using CWM. CWM might be able to trash all the stuff, but it shouldn't be able to prevent you from being able to get into download mode, leaving Odin as a tool of last resort.
KitsuneKnight said:
It does, taking the battery out is just recommended since people will often mess it up their first time. A lot of themes, also, let you reboot straight into download mode as well.
Personally, I feel safer using CWM. CWM might be able to trash all the stuff, but it shouldn't be able to prevent you from being able to get into download mode, leaving Odin as a tool of last resort.
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this is the smartest way to do it. power gets cut to the computer while using odin it is likely to brick your device. when I use old in I cross my fingers some idiot don't run into a power pole, mouse chew a wire, roommate turn on a vacuum and trip a breaker.
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KitsuneKnight said:
It does, taking the battery out is just recommended since people will often mess it up their first time. A lot of themes, also, let you reboot straight into download mode as well.
Personally, I feel safer using CWM. CWM might be able to trash all the stuff, but it shouldn't be able to prevent you from being able to get into download mode, leaving Odin as a tool of last resort.
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LOL, you must have known I soft bricked my first attempt to root.
I prefer CWM for roms, but WHENEVER I use Odim, it is on a laptop so there is 0 chance of a power loss...
Cwm is safer. ODIN has a higher brick potential, especially if you're sleep deprived or less than sober.
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Daswolven said:
Cwm is safer. ODIN has a higher brick potential, especially if you're sleep deprived or less than sober.
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I would personally say the opposite. You need to follow instructions on Cwn (wipe this, wipe that, install this, install that, etc) which causes problems for people who doesnt follow instructions 100%. Odin is a lot easier as you just click one button. I guess you shouldnt use odin if you are blind (or drunk) since you may press phone, instead of pda.
Kaze105 said:
I would personally say the opposite. You need to follow instructions on Cwn (wipe this, wipe that, install this, install that, etc) which causes problems for people who doesnt follow instructions 100%. Odin is a lot easier as you just click one button. I guess you shouldnt use odin if you are blind (or drunk) since you may press phone, instead of pda.
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I agree, CWM IS safer, but if you mess up in CWM you might be forced to ODIN if you didn't backup.
Kaze105 said:
I would personally say the opposite. You need to follow instructions on Cwn (wipe this, wipe that, install this, install that, etc) which causes problems for people who doesnt follow instructions 100%. Odin is a lot easier as you just click one button. I guess you shouldnt use odin if you are blind (or drunk) since you may press phone, instead of pda.
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how do you go about getting odin?
heimdall is safer than odin and cwm is the safest
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yea im with you on this. .i trusted cmr with my old droid but not with my sammy
ziggy484 said:
I feel way more comfortable with odin, b
ut thats just me. Had a brick with clockwork, never any trouble with odin. Just ALWAYS use the pda button only.
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I usually only use Odin after I have messed something up and need to flash a stock rom to get me going again. But other than flashing a modem I usually only use clockwork to install roms.
Related
I can't seem to find a thread to help me restoring my nexus s back to a factory state.
I did flash via adb, but I am having issues with my phone, so I want to re flash.
Thanks for your help
Matt
Code:
fastboot oem lock
fastboot oem unlock
(then lock again if you want)
That will erase EVERYTHING. Then you can flash clockwork back. Then flash one of the stock ROMs (found here on the forums somewhere or from ROM Manager). Basically back to stock. (With custom bootloader). Which you can also get rid of, I just don't remember how
Why not just flash the newest stock from samfirmwares via Odin? Semms quicker and easier to me, but ... are there any disadvantages?
fallenguru said:
Why not just flash the newest stock from samfirmwares via Odin? Semms quicker and easier to me, but ... are there any disadvantages?
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I've always considered Odin to be a last resort kind of thing. You really shouldn't Odin unless everything else doesn't work and your phone is near screwed. The reason being, should anything go wrong during the Odin flashing, your device runs a very high risk of permanently bricking and the past the point of no return. Its probably the only way of permanently bricking your Nexus.
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Hmm, ok.
I've always used Odin for my Samsung i5700 (Galaxy Spica), mainly because there is nothing else for it. It's always seemed extremely stable and lightweight to me, never mind the factory floor look.
AFAICT Odin can only brick your phone if your computer explodes at exactly the right time (i. e. while it's flashing the bootloader) - no idea if fastboot has additional safeguards or something.
An inexperienced user has a much better chance of screwing up in a multi-step restore, so if the objective is to restore to an out-of-the-box state then I'd still rather use Odin, personally. (For modding parts of firmware and comfort, fastboot beats it hands down.)
I came from the Vibrant, so I see where you're coming from. But like you said, an inexperienced user has a better chance of screwing it up. That's why I recommended the non-odin method to the OP. To each his own I guess. Both methods will take you to the same end result, one which is slightly less of a hassle. I just cringe everytime I use Odin in fear of windows crashing or Odin crashing since previous versions were known to be relatively unstable. Or some other mishap like kicking the USB cable while flashing.
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I just used odin and ROM from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947950
Restore 2.3.1 through CWM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884093
download the nandroid backup in that thread and restore using cwm. then do a factory reset and lock bootloader with "fastboot oem lock". that's what i did.
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I came from the Vibrant, so I see where you're coming from. But like you said, an inexperienced user has a better chance of screwing it up. That's why I recommended the non-odin method to the OP. To each his own I guess. Both methods will take you to the same end result, one which is slightly less of a hassle. I just cringe everytime I use Odin in fear of windows crashing or Odin crashing since previous versions were known to be relatively unstable. Or some other mishap like kicking the USB cable while flashing.
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while i can agree that odin is not very... user friendly in the sense of many errors. it is very slim chance of it causing a brick. and why not just use heimdall? its the open source solution to odin
Check the Q&A section. Yet another nexus S perma-bricked using Odin. In this case he used the wrong files (i9023 instead of i9020) to flash. Anything could happen. If you could avoid it, you really should because Odin messes with very sensitive files.
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peeturr said:
I've always considered Odin to be a last resort kind of thing. You really shouldn't Odin unless everything else doesn't work and your phone is near screwed. The reason being, should anything go wrong during the Odin flashing, your device runs a very high risk of permanently bricking and the past the point of no return. Its probably the only way of permanently bricking your Nexus.
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What permabrick using odin, never happen.
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U can't permbrick your phone with odin
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U can't permbrick your phone with odin
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Try loading i9023 Odin files onto your i9020.
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peeturr said:
Try loading i9023 Odin files onto your i9020.
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dont do that that'll mess up with the phone's functionality because it'll start acting like a 9023 when its a 9020.
Maybe the procedure here may help you.
http://theunlockr.com/2011/01/20/how-to-unroot-the-nexus-s/
Actually, I'm quite sure you can brick phones with Odin, if you try. Flashing the wrong firmware (or any other random bucket of bits) certainly works, as you can see. But I'm curious, how would fastboot have prevented this?
Sorry to the OP, I neither wanted to derail your thread nor start a holy war, just offer another option.
well it goes without saying to not use another phones firmware... but using the correct firmware on the correct phone odin has a small chance at bricking.. and thats only when your flashing boot.img and sbl.bin. he shouldnt be using the pit as odin pulls it from the phone. and there is almost no reason to repartition the device.
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Maybe the procedure here may help you.
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Thanks, really helpfull!
I have a problem;Do I have a I9020 or I9023?
When I look in settings-about phone it is Baseband version I9023XXKB1, but if I look in the fastboot mode I find Baseband version I9020XXKB1.
Witch one is correct?
Please help,
Thank you
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Try loading i9023 Odin files onto your i9020.
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shame on someone using a rom not even made for there phone but still i dont see how that will perm brick your phone when you can still access download mode
i've been lookign and looking, and just can't find a solution to fixing my problem, not knowing any better I attempted to partition the phone through clockwork and now it no longer fully turns on (goes black after the S screen) and I've tried installing the stock Rom with Odin but it just simply does the same thing, is there a way I can delete the partition I created? i'm pretty sure that's the problem, but i'm not sure how to detect the phone's internal memory without having the phone on and mounting it...
Are you using the 512pit file and selecting repartition in Odin. Also which Odin flashable are you using. Go to Eugene's site, google ebproductions and find Froyo that doesn't brick.
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explodingboy70 said:
Are you using the 512pit file and selecting repartition in Odin. Also which Odin flashable are you using. Go to Eugene's site, google ebproductions and find Froyo that doesn't brick.
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this is what I was using . . .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047087
i'll try Froyo that doesn't brick, guess i'll let you know how it goes
Yeah, eugenes froyo that doesn't Brick + the normal jfd will get you back.
Basically, you are bricking your phone to fix it
s15274n said:
Yeah, eugenes froyo that doesn't Brick + the normal jfd will get you back.
Basically, you are bricking your phone to fix it
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so are you saying to get eugene's froyo on, then do the install for the normal (i.e. the link i provided), and it should work?... hopefully...
if it doesn't (working on it now), is there a way to mount the internal memory onto my PC without the phone working, kind of like download mode? so that I could just simply delete the partition
Exactly, lovely guide you linked to by the way, Haha
Youtube it if you want to see the process
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Exactly, lovely guide you linked to by the way, Haha
Youtube it if you want to see the process
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oh, it's your guide lol... just a quick question, do i have to do the whole dba reboot part for the froyo that doesn't brick? cuz i'm having trouble getting that to work, or can i just revert back to the original stock now?
yay, it worked... didn't have to do the whole adb thing
So the title says it all...which do you use and why?
myself, I use heimdall...for many reasons. One being I own no windows computers, another being I prefer open source software. A third being it has always either perfect and is easy to use.
The reason I ask is because odin **seems** more cumbersome from what I have read...the pda button over phone button thing is silly and still needs explaining time and time again, as well as still causes noobs issues...also I have read a couple times its less reliable.
Anyways, share your thoughts!
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for me it really depends on what im flashing...if im doing just the modem.bin or just recovery, or anything like that, i use heimdall
if i need to completely default my phone for an upgrade or cause i jacked something up, then its odin time!!!
BakedTator said:
for me it really depends on what im flashing...if im doing just the modem.bin or just recovery, or anything like that, i use heimdall
if i need to completely default my phone for an upgrade or cause i jacked something up, then its odin time!!!
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+1. Exactly the same for me. And to the OP, it seems for most things, Heimdall IS WAY MORE RELIABLE, and I have not once seen anyone complain that it is not, like I HAVE SEEN people complain about with Odin. I think Odin is sort of sloppy. But. my vote is Heimdall.
BakedTator said:
for me it really depends on what im flashing...if im doing just the modem.bin or just recovery, or anything like that, i use heimdall
if i need to completely default my phone for an upgrade or cause i jacked something up, then its odin time!!!
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The times I have had to heimdall has been fine. Used atlas pit file and extract the Odin tar file and do each piece in its respective slot... Are you saying for the convenience you use odin?
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Agreed, for me heimdall is good for more intricate tinkering but odin's perfect for a complete reinstall. Also its not that hard to know how to press only two buttons in odin, I'm an android/rooting/flashing noob and even I got it the first time. People just need to thoroughly read and understand instructions before doing anything like that with their phone.
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Heimdall if you need to flash one or two things. Odin if you need to flash a full Odin tar with repartitioning since heimdall kinda sucks at repartitioning.
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heimdall blows odin away
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They are both great and have much more flexibility than some realize. I have spent a lot of time with both bricking and unbricking my phone on purpose to really understand these programs. The main advantage once all is said and done is that heimdall will recover a phone that odin can't. and all this talk about PDA only is great advice if you don't know what you are doing, but it is not true. Also this idea about using some other button than PDA will permanently brick your phone, NOT TRUE, it will make you odin again with repartition checked and the pit file in place to wipe everything. And in the rare instance it doesn't use heimdall. the two main things to understand is IF IT GOES INTO DL MODE it can be fixed, and there are tricks to force it there if it wont, no not a jig, that is absolute last resort. Second is from everything I have learned and received feedback on neither odin or heimdall will work reliably if at all on win XP, but work with Vista and 7. We should all know by now what works or not with Linux and MAC.
Since I use Linux there is only one choice - Heimdall.
Odin Odin Odin odin
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glsteve said:
Odin Odin Odin odin
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What a persuasive argument you give
syborg said:
Since I use Linux there is only one choice - Heimdall.
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Yeah, I only have one MAc computer that i guess I could use odin on (can i?), but i normally flash everything from my main linux box, other than that i have a netbook with linux and a server running freeBSD...
I've always used Odin and have never had any problems so I choose Odin
Every time I was reboot the phone goes to this menu, Odin doesn't recognize it, windows doesn't see any device attached, and no options(or combo of) have worked.
Any ideas appreciated!
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i almost bricked my phone several times but i never seen that...
dcboi said:
Every time I was reboot the phone goes to this menu, Odin doesn't recognize it, windows doesn't see any device attached, and no options(or combo of) have worked.
Any ideas appreciated!
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If you have a tmobile vibrant, you need to flash the original JDF firmware ... if you gonna flash the KB5 firmware after make sure "re-partition "is not checked off in odin ...You are getting that error cause you are missing some data files that are only in the original firmware...
ive gotten that screen when i flashed without disabling vodoo. i always use the "froyo that does not brick" flash through odin.
as they say!
power off phone
pull out battery
GRAB THIS STUFF : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047087
turn on odin
attach phone to pc with usb cable
now while holding down both volume buttons put battery back in.
now you should be in download mode and go back to stock with odin from here!
make sure u put the proper .pit and .pda file in there proper places on odin and ur set to go.
Enjoy and also make sure u have the proper samsung drivers
U can buy or make a jig I made one easy and cheap gets in download mode everytime
Oh man, everytime I odin, that screens comes by, flash froyo that doesn't brick by eugene with re-partion check, then flash a stock odin rom with unticked repartition. And there you go, a clean phone. I had to odin last night.
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Chwek13 said:
U can buy or make a jig I made one easy and cheap gets in download mode everytime
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Jig doesn't put the phone into download mode, neither does key combo+ usb+ battery insert. I think I'm screwed, unless there's a way to access a zip file from the external sdcard.
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dcboi said:
Jig doesn't put the phone into download mode, neither does key combo+ usb+ battery insert. I think I'm screwed, unless there's a way to access a zip file from the external sdcard.
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Hey, I'm helping another XDA member with the same exact problem and it took me a long time, but made good progress. He's running froyo now, but can't install apps. So I'll definitely be able to help you with this.
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Hey, I'm helping another XDA member with the same exact problem and it took me a long time, but made good progress. He's running froyo now, but can't install apps. So I'll definitely be able to help you with this.
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That would be great! I've run out of Google searches, blogs to read, and patience. I'm afraid of trying anything cause it feels like one more mistake could make me an expensive paper weight
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That would be great! I've run out of Google searches, blogs to read, and patience. I'm afraid of trying anything cause it feels like one more mistake could make me an expensive paper weight
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I totally understand. Unplug the battery, take out the sim card, and sd card....leave it alone. PM me so we can set up a time to work on it and I prefer skype because of screen share, it makes it easier for me to show someone what to do.
Okay guys, So lets say you flashed a custom rom on your epic. The rom was crap and you didnt like it. So you boot into CWM or w.e your Custom Recovery is and you restore your backup. After the backup is restore you end up with the Samsung Boot Logo STUCK.! This can be caused by incompatibility within the roms. Nandroid restore dosent always work when reverting back to stock from a custom rom, Unless your nandroid back up is from another custom rom. So this is a tip or flashing you phone back to Stock EB13. Its even better if you have a stock nandroid backup because restoring the backup whilst having this stock rom installed will work.! Go to this site http://www.samsdroid.com/2011/11/samsung-sph-d700-epic-4g-stock-rom.html and download the stock rom of your choice. Place the rom on your SD card. NOTE: Use sdcard in another phone since yours is bricked, or if you have a Micro Sd Reader use that. Boot up into Recovery and flash the rom. Congrats you are now back to stock and can do a Nandroid Restore. No ODIN, NO HARD WORK.! Happy Flashing
LINK FOR SW UPGRADE if the above method dosent work for you: http://ifile.it/8alqt5h/Epic4G_FroyoUpgrade_EB13_Tool.exe
Did you check the links before you posted this? They're all dead.
And they're all links to leaked firmware, not stable ones officially released by Samsung(With the exception of EB13).
The links aren't dead when I check them. If the links didn't help you out. Then google "Sph d700 SW upgrade tool" Its a utility that automatically flashes phone back to stock EB13. Just put the phone into download mode, by holding. "1" button on keyboard and hold power and plug in the pc. Follow the on screen instructions. If you can't find it PM me and ill upload it to 4shared for you to download.
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I am by no means an expert but... If you are coming from an MTD ROM, you have to use the victory.pit file to repartition the NAND back to BML. To my knowledge, there is no way to do this from CWM (is the recovery partition rewritten when repartitioning?). If that executable linked at the end of the post can reproduce the partitioning that Odin does, then yes, but you still must have the windows drivers, a good USB cable and be plugged into a good USB port. At that point, why not use Odin.
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You are indeed correct. The SW upgrade is the linked .exe for inexperienced user. Not everyone knows how to use Odin. Yes it may be simple to us but a pain to others. Im pretty sure if people are flashing roms, the samsung drivers should already be installed on there computer. The sw upgrade comes with the DOWNLOAD MODE Driver, So that when you plug the phone into the computer whilst in download the drivers are automatically installed. Within a couple of clicks you are back to stock EB13. From there you can re-root using the one click and do Nandroid Restore.
There is already a guide for this
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There are but there all explained in different ways. This is the easy way to explain the method above. Just download and follow the instructions. Alot of people are using odin. And alot of people are struggling when using it because of the lack of knowledge. So Im just putting this method back out there to remind users that this is also possible if you do not understand odin.
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There are but there all explained in different ways. This is the easy way to explain the method above. Just download and follow the instructions. Alot of people are using odin. And alot of people are struggling when using it because of the lack of knowledge. So Im just putting this method back out there to remind users that this is also possible if you do not understand odin.
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I agree with this but 90% of people here are on MTD and will brick by doing this. Also, when recovery works you can just flash another ROM. Still a good guide.
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Thanks, And i actually flash other ROMs if i end up with a brick. But the first time i flashed CM9 i missed a step and bricked, and it wouldnt let me flash another rom without the samsung screen hanging. So i used this utility to get back to stock, root, and restore backup. Great tool for people who still enjoy great ol' BML. Thanks for the compliment. By the way love your theming dude.
AnDrOpErZ said:
LINK FOR SW UPGRADE if the above method dosent work for you: http://ifile.it/8alqt5h/Epic4G_FroyoUpgrade_EB13_Tool.exe
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http://www.mediafire.com/file/bpgsh6udv1gd8nj/Epic4G_FroyoUpgrade_EB13_Tool.exe
Please give me credit to!
disturb3d1 said:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bpgsh6udv1gd8nj/Epic4G_FroyoUpgrade_EB13_Tool.exe
Please give me credit to!
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OP is no longer maintaining this thread and has left the forum.
Mr Glass- may we have a lock, please?
(Hmmm- "glasslock"? Maybe your alter ego?)
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