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[Q] Real world noticeable benefits of Over clocking G2?

Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks

1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
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thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
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Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.

androidtoy09 said:
Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.
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thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
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Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results

kcm117 said:
Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results
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Good luck and I'm sure you will enjoy your G2.
Oh, and don't forget to show it off to your friends. Let them see how this thing "Fly"

I oc to 1.4+ with setcpu and a few profiles set up i get much better bat life then stock. Im also running a sense rom which feels sluggish until you oc. At 1.4 it runs smooth as can be with live wallpapers plus all the pretty sense animations. The only problem i have is i hate the sense dialer and msg system also i want to change the "personalise" tab....do people really change theyre settings everyday that they need a dedicated button for it? Anyway i digress
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Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!

convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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No, that's not entirely true BUT with SetCPU you can profile it with different mode which can benefit the battery life.

kcm117 said:
Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks
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I don't notice any difference in battery and I have the 1.9ghz kernel. I normally keep it at 1ghz though. I enjoy it overclocked. My games run incredibly smooth, when navigating my phone it literally almost feels like it knows what i'm pressing a split second before i do and benchmarks rape the face off anyone else I know with an android phone. It's just sooo smooth. It really boils down to being the kind of person who likes to hold a powerhouse of a phone in the palm of their hand. (Literally) with even just the 1.4ghz OC you'll never have to ask yourself "can my phone run this without being sluggish?" because the answer is yes, it can probably even run two or three instances of whatever made you question yourself in the first place without being sluggish. Any if you're worried about custom roms from the past, just remember how outdated your old android is compared to this one. No offense because I can relate, I used to have a G1 that is now a hand-me-down to my brother and whenever he asks me to mod something on it, I'm just amazed at how slow it is and really don't know how I tolerated it for the last 2 years. I mean I'd score a 150 quadrant on the G1 (on a good day) but with my full OC on, the G2 scores 3000~3100. That's roughly 20 times faster...
Bottom line is that you won't need to worry about "will this make my device sluggish?" for quite some time.

Hey
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?

kcm117 said:
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?
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just install cm6.1 and setCPU and you will be fine, then you can tweak it up to 1.42 if you like or whatever you want it at

Any heat related issues? Let's say I get into a zone and play some graphics intensive game 6 hours straight on USB power at 1.4Ghz? Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?

convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.

manvstech said:
Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?
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Probably could shorten the life span. I keep phones for a year or two, though, and shortened life span for me isn't an issue. The phone becomes outdated before the CPU gives up.

cparekh said:
It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.
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^This.
I've gone a full 10 hours with my battery still reporting 100%.
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my default sense rom does not feel sluggish at all.
this oc is not really required from my point of view. and it also does not increase battery. the thing what increased is the underclocking when screen is off.
and this you can do even without overclocking. and THEN it brings even more gain.

an example of "real world" for me is how well my g2 plays PSX games on the emulator. I have it overclocked at 1.5 on setcpu and it runs chrono cross pretty much flawlessly with no noticeable slow down.

i use setcpu for underclocking since i don't do enough just yet to overclock, i haven't noticed any battery increase just yet and i've been using it for a few days now. i almost questioned my self if i was losing battery life due to my system mhz always fluctuating? is this a possibility? i just added a profile for screen off 245/245 but i still had to choose on demand? what should i put there. thanks for ur help everyone

I installed the bacon bits 1.4ghz kernel and setup some setcpu profiles.....battery life is much better now.
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screen off profile doesn't work with G2
noone has any proof it does change anything.
with or without widget running

800mhz is enough

Quick, and great battery. Overclocking is pointless unless you play games on your phone, or care about your quadrant score.
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Yup, I agree with you

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I had a Milestone for 1.5 years on stock ROM (that is 550Mhz), pretty much served most of my needs perfectly....you know, the normal stuff you use your phone for.

I rarely notice my phone is underclocked... with smartass governor, it's more responsive than stock clocks with a less responsive governor.
Battery life doesn't seem improved, but I know that my weak signal is causing the problem here.

synaesthetic said:
I rarely notice my phone is underclocked... with smartass governor, it's more responsive than stock clocks with a less responsive governor.
Battery life doesn't seem improved, but I know that my weak signal is causing the problem here.
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I Sunni it's different for me.. When in use it seems to drain about the same but last night I set the phone down around 11 worth 84% battery life and got up at 6 with 78% still and that's setting the governor to smartass

It's bad for me because my phone goes without signal about half the time in my apartment. I'll be moving soon so it's not a huge issue, but it is kind of disconcerting to feel my phone heating up from just sitting around doing nothing.

synaesthetic said:
It's bad for me because my phone goes without signal about half the time in my apartment. I'll be moving soon so it's not a huge issue, but it is kind of disconcerting to feel my phone heating up from just sitting around doing nothing.
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You could try disabling the governor and let one like, setcpu do it? Before I went Incredikernel I set up a profile in setcpu that whenever my screen was off it wouldn't run any faster then 128MHz but when on was set for either on demand or performance. Using two governors at the same time causes lag I've found so you'd have to be running a rom that doesn't already have one (that you can see and change) built in

Yea, this is true. OC'ing I thought it was giving me speed, but I actually took the time to really see the speed on OC'ing and to me it dosent seem to change. Well maybe alittle bit, but still. But yea, so I just hit 1ghz and I just leave it there.
Pete's latest w/Yennob-Base2 kernel at 1ghz and its going good.

kijp15 said:
Yea, this is true. OC'ing I thought it was giving me speed, but I actually took the time to really see the speed on OC'ing and to me it dosent seem to change. Well maybe alittle bit, but still. But yea, so I just hit 1ghz and I just leave it there.
Pete's latest w/Yennob-Base2 kernel at 1ghz and its going good.
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Yeah I honestly can't tell a difference between running at 998 MHz and 1,113 MHz other than a physically hotter phone and faster battery loss lol

IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Yeah I honestly can't tell a difference between running at 998 MHz and 1,113 MHz other than a physically hotter phone and faster battery loss lol
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Ahaha, yea. Everytime I would hit 1.3ghz or 1.4ghz for the fun of it, my phone would get that way too. It would get hot and it feels like it would explode in my face and yea battery life would drop like crazy.

Personally, I find myself running into a wall with RAM more than with processor power. I really hope the next Nexus at least doubles it.

No problems with overclocking: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16791637&postcount=124

Well the SuperOSR is only for nexus s.. If there was one for the ns4g, well then after reading that, I would be OC'ing like a maniac.

zorak950 said:
Personally, I find myself running into a wall with RAM more than with processor power. I really hope the next Nexus at least doubles it.
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This. I'm really feeling the loss of RAM coming from a mytouch 4G. That extra 256MB really made a difference. Using juwe's RAM optimization script seems to help, though.

Ehm, how can Ram be a problem?
Android is managing it itself and can't run out of it, usually.
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rentaric said:
Ehm, how can Ram be a problem?
Android is managing it itself and can't run out of it, usually.
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Things get killed that you don't want getting killed, and when it starts to run low things slow down considerably. It's not that something won't run, but it may run badly, or cause other apps to close that you were multitasking on, which is inconvenient.

I average 16 hours with normal for me use, which is a lot of texting, Facebook, internet browsing, listening to music.
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Skimp Killah said:
I average 16 hours with normal for me use, which is a lot of texting, Facebook, internet browsing, listening to music.
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How so? I normally get around 9-10 hours max with moderate use, also depending on the signal i get half the time.

I use netarchys latest bfs kernel with proton to undervolt all CPU frequencies to -20mv. And I have the CPU limited to 100-800mhz, with the on demand governer. With those 2 thing I get 15-16 hours everyday. I also usually let my batter get down to atleast 5% before charging.
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Skimp Killah said:
Quick, and great battery. Overclocking is pointless unless you play games on your phone, or care about your quadrant score.
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it's true
i always Under clock the phone with SetCPU to save battery life

Overclocking and battery

I'm wondering what is the battery life difference between 1000MHz (as max) and overclocked 1400MHz?
In most [low-end] phones little OC consumes a lot of power, but I don't see this issue in SGS.
Are you using your phone overclocked? How long last your battery?

opt1user said:
I'm wondering what is the battery life difference between 1000MHz (as max) and overclocked 1400MHz?
In most [low-end] phones little OC consumes a lot of power, but I don't see this issue in SGS.
Are you using your phone overclocked? How long last your battery?
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I dont know why would you do that... I use SGS in max 800mhz(underclocked) and its perfectly fast... But regarding your question, prolly would be about a day and a half of battery with those settings on OC.

I think its perfectly fast as it is but to your question ... i think it really depends on how you use it i dont belive it will last more than a day of it is used as intended ...

Gonzas10 said:
I dont know why would you do that... I use SGS in max 800mhz(underclocked) and its perfectly fast... But regarding your question, prolly would be about a day and a half of battery with those settings on OC.
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I tried underclocking my SGS (aokp build 28) to 800mhz, and it crawled, never got to the first unicorn in past the boot animation. seriously.

I over locked up to 1200, no over volt. Don't feel any impact on batterry since phone is only less 1 percent of time in that CPU state.Rest of time it is idling.
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im running SGS with 1000MHz and i don't need more power on my phone :S

Not much diff actually
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there can be a difference in battery life, but there does not necessarily have to be one I assume... after all, it is only the maximum available for the processor, most of te time it will not run at that speed... I for one do not overclock my phone (actually, I have underclocked it to 800mhz) since I have no need for these speeds (just using my phone for messaging and some browsing)...
please correct me if I am wrong since I do not know much about how the SGS processor exactly works

i cant see how it shouldnt impact battery.

samsung vibrant oc

i want to know if its safe to overclock my samsung vibrant to 1200 mhz. will doing that shorten the life of my phone in any way.

tinye99 said:
i want to know if its safe to overclock my samsung vibrant to 1200 mhz. will doing that shorten the life of my phone in any way.
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It will definitely shorten the life of the battery. As for the phone itself I can't really say. I used to use my vibrant @ 1200mhz daily while running bionix 1.3.1. I never really noticed any wear and tear from the overclocking. If your phone runs warm while overclocking you should really consider running the stock voltages. Your phone may overheat and fry your cpu gpu with the high temperatures. So be careful when overclocking.

Meh i dont completely agree...
It will only shorter the life of your battery because the processor will draw about 20% more power which is very small compared to the like 20x more power the lcd takes up.. i dont think youll feel the difference.
The heating up i disagree with too since ive seen processors reach boiling point of water and continue to work.. thats not to say they all will but ive oced my phone to 1.6ghz to benchmark for several minutes and it never got above 41*... the battery heats up alot more when its charging than the processor does most of the time so i wouldnt worry tooo much about that.
Now as to whether the phones llife will lower... yes probably.. youre putting more stress on the processor than if you dont oc.. honestly tho, processors dont die very often so i oc all day as my daily runner, usually to 1.4ghz if my kernel will do it..
Up to you and honestly all of this is my opinion based on my available info etc.. hope this helps
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I have mine Oc to 1.5 and no issues. 1.5 is the Max I would go.
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Everything I have read says 1200 is completely safe. I run mine at 1460 with no issues. It obviously draws more battery but using Voltage control app you can adjust the level of battery.
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You would be fine with 1.2Ghz, but look into a kernel that supports some slick CPU scalers (smartass is a good, easy choice). You can set that (1.2Ghz) as a max clock and you can let the scaler determine how it gets there (if need be). Running only 2 clocks (OC and deep sleep) seems a bit overkill to me, but to each their own.

Like everyone else said, you ought to be perfectly fine with that value.
The highest I would go is 1500 though

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You would be fine with 1.2Ghz, but look into a kernel that supports some slick CPU scalers (smartass is a good, easy choice). You can set that (1.2Ghz) as a max clock and you can let the scaler determine how it gets there (if need be). Running only 2 clocks (OC and deep sleep) seems a bit overkill to me, but to each their own.
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Lol, running an overclock on a phone seems a bit overkill to me...
Think about this.. How much copper is strapped up to your phones cpu?
Would you overclock your desktop on a stock cooler?
I feel sorry for the saps who buy phones second hand(especially after reading this thread). (hey wait a minute, that's me too.. Lol)
I never overclock anything.
Ever.
(learned my lesson with an amd Duron 733 back in the day)
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Is Super Performance Phone Really Important ?

As we can see in many forums, people like to overclock their phone to increase It's performance although overclock can increase battery live and may broke their phone. I think the increased performance can only be felt through benchmark software. The effect on the apps is almost negligible specially on high end phone (like our Note). Why do you overclock your phone and use overclock on daily usage (I understand if the reason of overclocking phone is for satisfaction) ?

Never saw the slightest reason to overclock my phone.

Emulators and because I cannot resist getting extra performance. My captivate was a beast OCed.
Some people don't get it others do...like everything in life. Some don't get how we can live with a phone this big but we do...
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On GB (LC2) I overclocked to 1.6gHz and it made everything run smoother (screen transitions, opening and closing apps etc.
On ICS I haven't felt the need to OC. It runs super smooth and fast as it is.
But maybe I'll get bored some time in the future and do it just for something to do...

I'm on stock GB LC1 CF rooted and I OC to 1.55.
Differences when I open apps. They open faster. And not that huge battery life drain because cpu stays at 1.55 a little time and for me the faster app opening matters
*only 2% at 1.55 (not even 1h from 40) - with CpuSpy
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Its not bout whether its "important" or not... Its more like, If you can...then why not!? I did overclock my sgnote till 1.6ghz at 1.7 it would reboot.

Its like gettin more for less
Just as Overclock with your desktop, some take a step further by changing heatsink, better ventilation, water cooling, etc.

Exactly, its just free power and if you are not dumb, you are not going to kill anything. This is not the dark ages of overclocking and those fears people seem to still carry from those times.
Take for example on GB running 1.6Ghz Nenamark2 scores me about 34fps or so..Damn close to my record with the Captivate which is 33.5! Then I ran 400Mhz on the GPU and boom..53fps...that is some kick ass gains there. While I will probably run 300Mhz mostly, if I find a game that needs the extra performance, I know I have it there so why not use it.

This is not the dark ages of overclocking and those fears people seem to still carry from those times.
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Very true.
On my desktop I have an Intel i5 2500k (original 3300 MHz) OC to 4500 for daily use and when needed 5 GHz.
From 1 year and a half the CPU runs like this and never had any stability issue. And my PC kinda stays on A LOT.
So yes, we don't live in the dark ages of overclocking. Why people STILL HAVE FEAR OF OC!?
These days OC is very easy. Most of the times you can't broke a device / component from OC, because the "drivers" of some microcontrollers from your motherboard won't let you (a lot of protection these days )

Indeed. Plus if you are too afraid then dont push higher voltage, just OC with stock voltage as much as your CPU can do.