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Sp, whats the verdict on how to charge the battery?

Some say let it drain all the way, then fully charge...some say don't let it drop below 50%...i tried searching, but couldn't get solid info....so what really is the best way to charge a battery in order to get maximum battery life? thanks

Lithium ion batteries shouldn't be fully discharged on a regular basis; they prefer partial charges. It's useful to fully discharge occasionally however so that the phone knows the full range of the battery's charge states or the battery meter will be inaccurate.
It might be better to discharge to some particular level than another, but that's impractical. Best practice as far as I'm aware is to charge whenever possible. At least we have user-replaceable batteries if they do start to get weak!

Yes, 20%-40% drain is ideal balance of long-term battery life and not changing too often. Of course, the lower end of this would mean about an hour of use if you have the display on the whole time. So, best thing for the long-term life and ability to use your phone cord free is to own 2 batteries and change when possible.
I don't even bother to "calibrate" (run the battery down 100%) because I switch it often enough and I don't need to know if I have 40% left instead of 55%. If I have high use or only one battery on me then sometimes I'll let nature run it's course, but I never go out of my way for it.

Well in all honesty, I have to say that I've been doing the complete drain and full recharge for about 5 - 6 cylces since I got the phone about a week ago. Furthermore, I have set my autokiller to aggressive and I've seen a big improvement in the battery life. i.e. from 23 hours to about 1d and 20 hours.

problem with ASUS p320 autoshutdown when battery is 70'

hi there!i am new to XDA. can anyone of you guys help me out with my battery problems.
I have a asus P320 windows phone . it shuts down itself when the power is still 70% . is there anyway to change the registry settings to prevent the auto shutdown due to low battery. i would'nt have bothered with this shutdown if the battery was old but i bought a brand new battery , and no matter what the ROM is it still switches off . I would really appreciate if someone could help me on this.
is there any way to change any of the registry values to disable the lowbattery warning and the autoshutdown.

The battery is not truly measured by "capacity". The capacity is derived from measurable data, mainly the voltage. The voltage for new batteries is very little depending on the load which is applied to battery. Over time (and charge cycles) however the chemistry in the battery is aging so that the load on the battery lets the voltage drop when load is applied. Load is anything like the CPU demand, lights on and so on.
So for your case it is highly probable that idle the battery shows 70% but when load is applied, the voltage drops below the shut off point and the device is off. There is no option to adjust this - it is hard-coded in the battery driver.
Have a look at my battery measurement thread linked from my signature to get some background and find a method to track this.
To give you a rough hint: fully charged, the device should be able to stay on with LCD light (fully lit) on for several hours. With what you report it should go off within less than 2 hours from my estimate.

tobbbie said:
The battery is not truly measured by "capacity". The capacity is derived from measurable data, mainly the voltage. The voltage for new batteries is very little depending on the load which is applied to battery. Over time (and charge cycles) however the chemistry in the battery is aging so that the load on the battery lets the voltage drop when load is applied. Load is anything like the CPU demand, lights on and so on.
So for your case it is highly probable that idle the battery shows 70% but when load is applied, the voltage drops below the shut off point and the device is off. There is no option to adjust this - it is hard-coded in the battery driver.
Have a look at my battery measurement thread linked from my signature to get some background and find a method to track this.
To give you a rough hint: fully charged, the device should be able to stay on with LCD light (fully lit) on for several hours. With what you report it should go off within less than 2 hours from my estimate.
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Thank you for the quick reply. well, the battery does'nt last much time though . i tried to discharge the old battery (which i still have) to 0% and when i charge it for some time and switchoff the charger it shows some % of batter left and after sometime it shutsdown showing lowbattery warning.
I can understand this happening @ 5% or even 15%but @ 60%- 70% on a brand new battery is a bit much.
if only i could just prevent the autoshutdown, in the mean time i have to check on your battery measurement thread/

From my battery thread I have linked some info on battery chemistry. Bottom line is that LiIon batteries are aging from the day they are produced and the dependency on charge cycles or discharge depth is minimal (different to older type NiMH batteries). So even if you buy a "new" battery in the shop it may be 5 years old from its production date already.
My experience with after-market batteries (so non-original) is very bad. You almost never get good quality and usually old original batteries perform better. I have lots of batteries checked on the Typhoon/Hurricane/Tornado and several on Vox/Excalibur. Especially the true original branded like Sanyo, Celxpert or Samsung have sometimes exceptional performance. I have some of these that already have 5 years (of little to modest use) and still have their nominal capacity. Recently I bought an original packed battery for the Qtek 8310 (Celxpert) which should be 5 years old - and this one has its original capacity! On the other hand I have also bought cheap Chinese that have only 30% of the labeled capacity.

[Q] Battery Meter on Mango Inaccurate?

So i recently flashed CleanDFT ROM, first couple of days the meter read out 1 day and 18 hours which im very surprised then it went down to 1 day and 4 hours, now this morning i unplugged and it tells me i got 19 hours left from full charge, should i go by this? or is there something wrong?

hello can you help me wid flashing...i came from android...no idea of how to do it...

cyril008 said:
hello can you help me wid flashing...i came from android...no idea of how to do it...
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Redirecting you to the right place.

If you have just flashed a new rom, in general, you need to go through a couple of battery cycles before the battery read can be accurate. I remember when flashing my ATT FUze I had to wait 2-3 complete charging cycles ie. discharging battery to 10% and charging back to full before I could get accurate reading. If you are experiencing worse battery time than before flashing after 2-3 cycles you might need to reflash the rom; you should see better battery time with custom roms, so I have heard.
I also wouldn't go by the battery saver timing, I would go by wpbench or real time use to get an accurate reading on battery time. I have a 1800 mah battery in my focus and it reads 24 hours on battery life

As far as i know, doesnt all the ROMs have basically the same battery life?
Ill be going out of town sometime this week and ill be out most of the day, i need a rom thatll at least last a whole 12 to 14 hours at the most or whole day at best of just occasional twittering and occasional checks on facebook and probably capture some pictures and a video and maybe an hour at most on music? im sure this phone can handle it but idk what you guys suggest

I have the same issue with ATT samsung focus with Roger latest updates, the battery meter is just not accurate, sometimes full and just reboot upon eject from the micro usb. The battery was fine until recently. Found a few other with the same issue online, no solution available yet.
*pulling out battery doesn't work*

The solution is exactly the same as it is on a laptop.
Lithium ion batteries, and, actually, come to think of it, pretty all rechargeable batteries lose capacity over time. The phone, to begin with, doesn't have a good idea of how much capacity is left, and it has to estimate based on previous performance. This is partially a result of battery manufacturers going as cheap as possible with the circuitry in lithium ion batteries.
The phone needs to figure out how old your battery is. This data is definitely lost with a new rom. Leave it to charge overnight, then unplug it and let the battery run all the way to dead. Charge it again, and your battery percentages should be correct. It may take more than one cycle, but the meter should settle into a correct estimate eventually.

Incorrect battery stats are a possible reason for fluctuations in battery life and reseting them as described in the previous post can help.
Another thing which you can do is use an app like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328730 to check the reported mV rating of your battery at full charge. That can serve as an indicator of the battery life you can expect with your current battery stats.

WTF my battery is insane... any ideas?

Ok so I can't figure this out. My battery is kind of "retarded" for lack of a better word.
I can charge it up to 100%, reset battery stats (even if I don't the same will happen)... then let it drain. It will drain insanely fast... I mean from 100 to dead in maybe an hour sometimes...
Then I go ahead and plug it into the charger... for just 15 seconds... when I take it off the charger and turn it back on it'll have another 50% battery life, sometimes more sometimes less....
It's almost as if the battery isn't reading correctly and then the phone can't detect how much battery is left so won't let me turn it on unless I plug it in really quick...
Tried another battery and that one does the same thing.... What in gods name could be going on...
and yes.. I searched... before I hear the hit the search 2000x times.

Here is the instructions from the ExROM thread, they worked perfect for me:
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--> For battery life: I think that you have to calibrate your battery.
- Run the device down until it turns itself off.
- Turn it back on and wait for it to turn itself off again.
- Remove the battery for 10 seconds.
- Replace the battery, but leave the device off.
- Charge the device until full and then for another hour.
- Enter recovery and go to advanced -> wipe battery status. Apply it.
- Run the device’s battery down until it turns itself off.
- Turn the device on and charge for at least 8 hours.
- Unplug the device, turn off, then charge for another hour.
- Unplug the device, turn on, wait 2 minutes.
- Turn off again and charge for another hour.
- Restart and use as normal.

I shall try those but who knows...
I've literally been turning the phone on, it dies the minute it hits the lock screen. Plug it in now for just 3 seconds until it says VIBRANT, it will load up shut down.. have down this about 30 times...
I'm lost on how the phone has enough juice to boot and shi*.... it's driving me nuts doing this over and over and over.. oh wait just turned on again and it's at 5%. This is stupid....
lol i will post back after I try these instructions I guess....

You MUST calibrate your battery every time you see a weird behaviour or install a new kernel. You wrote that you tried another battery, so we can exclude a premature death of the battery.

are you able to get into RECOVERY mode and stay there without it rebooting? Or even Download mode?

yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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I made a nice detailed post about this a while back, it took a google employee for people here to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
(Keep in mind, this applies to NiCad... but the effects are the same)
Bad news bro, your battery is bad. If you full discharge/recharge all the time, it will just hasten its death. Deep cycle charging when the battery is that far gone doesn't really have the same effect.
Try coaxing it back to life by recharging it to 100% then hitting the charger again at 75% a few times. This will increase the capacitance of the battery if there is hope of life. If it doesn't improve, its life is almost over.

younix258 said:
yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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Correct. According to her Calibrating does pretty much nothing except make you THINK your battery is better/worse/same.
Haxel said:
I made a nice detailed post about this a while back, it took a google employee for people here to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
(Keep in mind, this applies to NiCad... but the effects are the same)
Bad news bro, your battery is bad. If you full discharge/recharge all the time, it will just hasten its death. Deep cycle charging when the battery is that far gone doesn't really have the same effect.
Try coaxing it back to life by recharging it to 100% then hitting the charger again at 75% a few times. This will increase the capacitance of the battery if there is hope of life. If it doesn't improve, its life is almost over.
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thanks for the interesting read, i love reading things that the mind thinks as something for a weird reason.. Placebo effect etc.
Putting your battery down to an absolute 0% will do nothing but hurt your battery. This would have worked if we were still in the 80s and 90s, but these are Li-on batteries, they work differently and it actually hurts them.

Ok so I have RESTORED the battery...
Here is what was going on after further looking. I downloaded a battery stat/drain program to see what exactly was going on...
Under a load the battery mV will change drastically, then once it settles down the mV will actually rise making the % rise...
So I completely killed the battery, I mean dead.. Restarted the phone, plug it in for just a second.. I took it to the point that I killed the SOB battery.
I then charged it up, and while charging I would use the battery drain program. the mV would change drastically and I did this every 10%.
So far so good, the phone has been on for 4 hours now and i've only drained 8%... I will see how it continues.
I've also been resetting my battery stats not because I believe it relates the phone to the actual battery % but the % would fluctuate on the phone, and I thought the phone was saying "batterys dead don't turn on" kind of thing...

Ok. Again.
Here is a more in-detail article with a quick google.
http://www.atomicmods.com/Categories/QandA-Batteries.aspx
How long will these batteries last?
Lithium-based batteries have a lifetime of 2-3 years. The clock starts ticking as soon as the battery comes off the manufacturing line. The capacity loss manifests itself in increased internal resistance caused by oxidation. Eventually, the cell resistance will reach a point where the pack can no longer deliver the stored energy; although the battery may still contain ample charge. Increasing internal resistance is common to cobalt-based lithium-ion. The speed by which lithium-ion ages is governed by storage temperature and state-of-charge. Figure 1 illustrates the capacity loss as a function of these two parameters.
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Although, there has been arguments for years about Li-ion "memory". Li-ions are not afflicted with the "memory" issues of other chemical types. What they are afflicted with is the inability to hold a consistent current under stress/load with age/oxidation (aging effect of the Li-ion batteries). This is where your battery sits. On the precipice of death. You may get another year or two out of it (if you're lucky.. really more like a few months) with a few correct charging cycles, but that is it.
Bringing a Li-ion to near 0 and back does not help the battery, it is 100% a placebo effect with short term gains at best. A common cause of your particular problem...
Lithium-ion batteries are often exposed to unfavorable temperatures, and these include leaving a cell phone in the hot sun or operating a laptop on the power grid. Elevated temperature and allowing the battery to sit at the maximum charge voltage for expended periods of time explains the shorter than expected battery life. Elevated temperature and excessive overcharge also stresses lead and nickel-based batteries. All batteries must have the ability to relax after charged, even when kept on float or trickle charge.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries
I'm giving random googling as I know it's difficult to believe a random person on the internet. No two type of manufactured batteries are created/engineered the same, but I'm basing my statements of chemical composition and the basic fundamentals of the Li-ion battery tech.

younix258 said:
yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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+1
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Most of these battery calibration techniques sound like a practical joke.
the only way you'll truly get a perfect idea of what your battery life is going to be is to drop the phone in the toilet.
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Battery life

First charge brightness set at 50%
What is everyone else getting

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First charge brightness set at 50%
What is everyone else getting
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That looks pretty damn good.
I was just about to post a thread. Something is draining my battery life and causing Android System to be the highest battery usage. Check out below.

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That looks pretty damn good.
I was just about to post a thread. Something is draining my battery life and causing Android System to be the highest battery usage. Check out below.
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Can you repost your pictures? They don't seem to be working.

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What is your brightness set at

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What is your brightness set at
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Auto brightness.

Not to jack your thread.
But I used my iphone at work to watch videos, ect while there is downtime. I usually watch while it's also on the charger
For the Note series, does anyone know if that "kills" my battery for long term?
I know you can replace battery, but just wondering for future use.
Thanks.

Issue with battery drain due to android system is real
All three people I know that just got the Note 4 were experiencing the same issue I had with excess battery drain with the always generic "android system" taking more battery than anything else including the screen.
I downloaded an app called "System Tuner" and looked the CPU% for Android system and it was a constant 3-4% when the phone was otherwise idle.
I found a post at http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/80459 where they were experiencing the same issue (lose around 12% battery an hour with android system taking a huge chunk of battery). The person from that post was able to address the issue by turning location off, rebooting, turning location on, and rebooting again. After I did this I saw Android system idle at ~0.6% - 1.1% instead. So far I'm getting much better battery life but I'll need to give it some time to know for sure.
Hope this helps!

mine took about 2 full days for everything to finish syncing, downloading, indexing, etc. I had books, news articles, pinned music from google play, etc.
Once that happened, everything is now "normalized" and I'm getting better battery life than I was with the note 3.

Juk3s said:
Not to jack your thread.
But I used my iphone at work to watch videos, ect while there is downtime. I usually watch while it's also on the charger
For the Note series, does anyone know if that "kills" my battery for long term?
I know you can replace battery, but just wondering for future use.
Thanks.
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Short answer: Maybe, it depends on how you are doing it. Using it while it is charging is not necessarily bad but watching videos and keeping it plugged in while the cell voltage is pegged at 100% will likely deteriorate your battery faster.
Long answer + tips:
Lithium ion batteries are great - they are light, can be made very thin and have excellent energy density but they are also very finiky.
Things to avoid doing with a lithium ion battery
-Charging to 100%, leaving it plugged in overnight is a poor practice(high cell voltages reduce the service life*, stopping the charge at 90%[4.10v] can double the service life, stopping the charge at 80%[4.00v] can quadruple the service life.*)
- Discharging the battery to below ~20% (Li-Ion batteries are somewhat sensitive to deep discharges)
-Charging/exposing Li-Ion to elevated temps or below freezing.
*service life is defined by when a battery can only retain 70% of its rated capacity. Most consumer batteries used in mobile devices have a service life of 500 charge discharge cycles.
It is not uncommon for batteries to lose 30% capacity in 1.5 years or less. Changing your charging and handling habits can double or quadruple a batteries life span.

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That looks pretty damn good.
I was just about to post a thread. Something is draining my battery life and causing Android System to be the highest battery usage. Check out below.
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LOL your picture took up have my damn screen on my 1080p laptop with 15.7 in screen. It was crystal clear too.

On my 2nd charge, auto brightness. Pretty freakin' amazing battery life....
15.5 hours off the charger with 8+ screen on time!

I got awful battery life on the first charge cycle. It drained 50% overnight. 2nd charge has lasted amazingly long and I still have 64% after 12hrs of average use.

First charge. Battery life has been phenomenal. Brightness on auto.

Did u use any power saving features to achieve that time?
Did u use any power saving features to achieve that time?

Definitely improve battery with recent update and I'm a power user

After the latest update

I dont know why but my phone goes from 100-90 in less than a hr with minimal use while the screen is set at auto, also in the leaving it unplugged in the night the battery also drains like 5 points.

I've been at full brightness and using the hell out of it non stop so far, and I'm at 35% with screen on time at 3hrs 40 min.
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