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i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
For what this device has and what it can do the battery life is pretty good, if you just use it for a few random pics, bit of browsing, bit of music and a few calls you should get a days use, if you sit there for ages messing with it its gonna drain.
Im pleased with it myself, apart from the bugs, but waiting......
It's killing you literally? Step away man!
I find the battery life on-par with other smart phones I've owned. I use a desktop cradle (well should soon be using a desktop cradle) and an active holder in the car, so I find the battery keeps up OK with a typical day's use for me. The biggest battery killer is when the screen is on full brightness so I find essential to have the phone on power when I'm using the satnav.
I had really high hopes for this thread when I read the title. Needless to say, I'm pretty disappointed.
Where's the death I was promised?
Die and prove it.
mox123 said:
i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
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To be fair most smartphones drain their batteries pretty damned quickly. Disconnect your data connection when you're not using it and bluetooth too. OK so you won't get weather updates but you'll save battery life. Just charge it nightly and buy a car charger if you really drain that sucker!
Wow, I think battery life is good considering the screen, better than I expected.
Currently, with screen set to 70% brightness, push email on 0800-1800 with hourly retrieval outside those hours, hourly weather/Twitter update, automatic Quick-GPS almanac data update, I last all day (~0700 to 2300), and still with about 20-30% headroom with the following use:
Push email as per above settings
50 minutes GPS tracking
50 minutes bluetooth on (heart rate monitor)
1-2 hours listening to music
Around 1-2 hours high-drain use (screen on, using cellular data/WiFi/GPS - for example browsing/app use/gaming/watching video)
30-40 SMS
15 minutes calls
One simple little trick that I learnt some time ago to preserve battery life is ..........turn down the brightness of the screen display. The brighter it is the more juice gets used.
Get the screen to turn itself off after, say, 30 secs of use. That also helps.
The rest, such as killing off data connections when not in use, etc, you already know.
It never ceases to surprise me at the number of negative comments re battery life. The impression I am left with is that if the battery does not last at least 2 months between charges, even though it is being hammered to within an inch of it's life, then that makes the battery performance rubbish. Anyone ever heard of a battery charger?
It's a really easy to use piece of kit that comes with your device that can be plugged in at night when you are asleep, leaving your device fresh for the morning.
Amazing.
WB
What the heck do you expect from such a phone? The energy management is kinda good and it's the display that kills battery life. You have to get use to it. At least my Touch HD seems to last much longer, but I would never change back.
If you watch a video your battery capacity drops quickly. I estimated 4,3-4,5h of HW-acc WVGA video and 3,5h with a non-HW-acc VGA video. Not that much but it really looks fantastic.
My Solution for this problem is: second battery, extended battery and/or load the battery whereever u can. My normal usage drains 30% of the battery a day, so I get 3 days of normal usage (I'm not an excessive handy user). The standby duration is with 300h not that good, but yeah that means still 12,5 days of standby if I calculated correctly.
The point is, that the phone is that good that I'm attracted to play with it and then the battery life tends to last just a day or less.
I bought a second battery (~22€) just for longer rides. I think it's ok.
mox123 said:
i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
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EEK!, don't come on this forum and complain about the HD2! not allowed. this is now the official HD2 Appreciation society, don't ya know.
I recommend instead you buy some lube oil, massage it into the device, light some candles, play a bit of Barry White, and all will be well.
Then come on this site and reassure all the sensitive souls here that it is indeed the Holy Grail of mobiles and admit you are a Troll for finding a fault with it, and daring to ask about why it does not preform as it says on the tin.
And final advice...In the words of legendary Basil Fawlty... Don't mention the War !..or in this case, the Keyboard!!, I mentioned it once...and thought I got away with it..but no.
hawrai68 said:
EEK!, don't come on this forum and complain about the HD2! not allowed. this is now the official HD2 Appreciation society, don't ya know.
I recommend instead you buy some lube oil, massage it into the device, light some candles, play a bit of Barry White, and all will be well.
Then come on this site and reassure all the sensitive souls here that it is indeed the Holy Grail of mobiles and admit you are a Troll for finding a fault with it, and daring to ask about why it does not preform as it says on the tin.
And final advice...In the words of legendary Basil Fawlty... Don't mention the War !..or in this case, the Keyboard!!, I mentioned it once...and thought I got away with it..but no.
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Nice one.
NetDwarf said:
What the heck do you expect from such a phone? The energy management is kinda good and it's the display that kills battery life. You have to get use to it. At least my Touch HD seems to last much longer, but I would never change back.
If you watch a video your battery capacity drops quickly. I estimated 4,3-4,5h of HW-acc WVGA video and 3,5h with a non-HW-acc VGA video. Not that much but it really looks fantastic.
My Solution for this problem is: second battery, extended battery and/or load the battery whereever u can. My normal usage drains 30% of the battery a day, so I get 3 days of normal usage (I'm not an excessive handy user). The standby duration is with 300h not that good, but yeah that means still 12,5 days of standby if I calculated correctly.
The point is, that the phone is that good that I'm attracted to play with it and then the battery life tends to last just a day or less.
I bought a second battery (~22€) just for longer rides. I think it's ok.
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Exactly !!
1000 Mhz this bugger does.
And really its more then just a phone. with the battery cunsumption like wise.
But they told me one thing,,. something that Noone does
When you get the HD2. Its battery got 20% juice init.
Thats not for fun of the company (prolly sanyo) was laizy and dint bother to fill em 100%.
You have to charge the battery 6 to 12 hours and to peeking at your new jewel.
And i know Noone ever does that. But it ensures batterylife and eficiency
Here is the article >>
Initialize a new battery. New batteries should be fully charged before their first use to obtain maximum capacity.
Nickel-based batteries should be charged for 16 hours initially and run through 2-4 full charge/full discharge cycles, while lithium ion batteries should be charged for about 5-6 hours.
Ignore the phone telling you that the battery is full--this is normal but is not accurate if the battery is not initialized.
#DO NOT fully discharge a lithium-ion battery!
Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries' life is shortened every time you fully discharge them.
Instead, charge them when the battery meter shows one bar left.
Lithium-ion batteries, like most rechargeable batteries have a set amount of chargers in them.[1]
2Keep the battery cool.
Your battery will last longest if used near room temperature, and nothing wears on a battery like extended exposure to high temperatures. While you can’t control the weather, you can avoid leaving your phone in a hot car or in direct sunlight, and you don’t have to carry your phone in your pocket, where your body heat will raise its temperature.
In addition, check the battery while it’s charging. If it seems excessively hot, your charger may be malfunctioning.
3Charge your battery correctly, in accordance with its type. Most newer cell phones have lithium-ion batteries, while older ones generally have nickel-based batteries. Read the label on the back of the battery or in the technical specifications in the manual to determine which yours is.
Nickel-based batteries (either NiCd or NiMH) DO NOT generally suffer from a misunderstood phenomenon known as the "memory effect." As described in Wikipedia and many expert sources,[2] the term "memory effect" has been widely mythologized to describe any and all deterioration of NiCd (and other battery chemistries), in many cases misleading consumers into further shortening the lives of the batteries through over-discharging to "recondition" them.[3]
[This section formerly read: If you charge the battery partially enough times, eventually the battery "forgets" that it can charge fully. A nickel-based battery suffering from memory effect can be reconditioned, which requires the battery to be completely discharged, then completely recharged (sometimes several times). The appropriate length of time between reconditionings varies. A good rule to follow for nickel-battery cell-phones is to discharge them completely once every two to three weeks, and only when you have a charger available. [4] ]
Lithium ion batteries can be preserved by careful charging and avoiding storing them at full charge.[5] They do not require "reconditioning."
Regardless of the battery type, use only a charger rated for your battery, and discontinue use of a charger that causes the battery to heat up excessively.
Enonoid said:
Exactly !!
1000 Mhz this bugger does.
And really its more then just a phone. with the battery cunsumption like wise.
But they told me one thing,,. something that Noone does
When you get the HD2. Its battery got 20% juice init.
Thats not for fun of the company (prolly sanyo) was laizy and dint bother to fill em 100%.
You have to charge the battery 6 to 12 hours and to peeking at your new jewel.
And i know Noone ever does that. But it ensures batterylife and eficiency
Here is the article >>
Initialize a new battery. New batteries should be fully charged before their first use to obtain maximum capacity.
Nickel-based batteries should be charged for 16 hours initially and run through 2-4 full charge/full discharge cycles, while lithium ion batteries should be charged for about 5-6 hours.
Ignore the phone telling you that the battery is full--this is normal but is not accurate if the battery is not initialized.
#DO NOT fully discharge a lithium-ion battery!
Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries' life is shortened every time you fully discharge them.
Instead, charge them when the battery meter shows one bar left.
Lithium-ion batteries, like most rechargeable batteries have a set amount of chargers in them.[1]
2Keep the battery cool.
Your battery will last longest if used near room temperature, and nothing wears on a battery like extended exposure to high temperatures. While you can’t control the weather, you can avoid leaving your phone in a hot car or in direct sunlight, and you don’t have to carry your phone in your pocket, where your body heat will raise its temperature.
In addition, check the battery while it’s charging. If it seems excessively hot, your charger may be malfunctioning.
3Charge your battery correctly, in accordance with its type. Most newer cell phones have lithium-ion batteries, while older ones generally have nickel-based batteries. Read the label on the back of the battery or in the technical specifications in the manual to determine which yours is.
Nickel-based batteries (either NiCd or NiMH) DO NOT generally suffer from a misunderstood phenomenon known as the "memory effect." As described in Wikipedia and many expert sources,[2] the term "memory effect" has been widely mythologized to describe any and all deterioration of NiCd (and other battery chemistries), in many cases misleading consumers into further shortening the lives of the batteries through over-discharging to "recondition" them.[3]
[This section formerly read: If you charge the battery partially enough times, eventually the battery "forgets" that it can charge fully. A nickel-based battery suffering from memory effect can be reconditioned, which requires the battery to be completely discharged, then completely recharged (sometimes several times). The appropriate length of time between reconditionings varies. A good rule to follow for nickel-battery cell-phones is to discharge them completely once every two to three weeks, and only when you have a charger available. [4] ]
Lithium ion batteries can be preserved by careful charging and avoiding storing them at full charge.[5] They do not require "reconditioning."
Regardless of the battery type, use only a charger rated for your battery, and discontinue use of a charger that causes the battery to heat up excessively.
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It's a shame most powerful mobiles heat up like nobody's business whilst on full chat these days.....there's no chance of keeping the batteries cool! Still, it's an expendable item and at least you can buy a replacement.....none of this iPhone 'sealed' tin rubbish.
while i find the battery life reasonable with the features this phone has (read screen size, processor speed), it will be nice to get the CPU throttling app another thread is discussing. don't need that 1000MHz running everytime i pick the phone.
On the same notes, how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?
here4info said:
how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?
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Stick the phone under a bright light such as a desk lamp and cover the light sensor with a piece of paper.
here4info said:
while i find the battery life reasonable with the features this phone has (read screen size, processor speed), it will be nice to get the CPU throttling app another thread is discussing. don't need that 1000MHz running everytime i pick the phone.
On the same notes, how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?
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It certainly isn't running when I boot my phone up....hardly gives an impression of speed.
mox123 said:
i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
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are you the first wm phone user? Do you have good experience with phones that has so much specs? Do you use wifi and browse with phone very heavily? If you do, it is really normal that the battery will drain. My Touch HD does the same, it can last a day or 2 or drain like water not more than half a day, it depends on your usage. Try to get a second battery, or even the third one like I do, what is a big deal? It is completely normal.
I don't have a lot complaints on this phone as it meets most of my requirements.about the battery, I seriously don't think it is that bad. for example if you have a car with 1500 horse power and expect it to have or rather 30-40 mpg, don't think it is possible. try to use your local gas station (in this case your friendly charger) more often.move on with your life please.
c4Lvin said:
I don't have a lot complaints on this phone as it meets most of my requirements.about the battery, I seriously don't think it is that bad. for example if you have a car with 1500 horse power and expect it to have or rather 30-40 mpg, don't think it is possible. try to use your local gas station (in this case your friendly charger) more often.move on with your life please.
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That might be a little difficult because this battery problem is killing him, LITERALLY
I thought I'd write this thread simply to see if it can work for others.
I have read throughout this site that it's good to allow your battery to become completely drained, and then recharge via the power adaptor. Some people even suggest to do it 2-3 times.
Yesterday, for the second time since I bought the phone several weeks ago, I decided to allow the battery to become completely drained. I then charged it using ONLY the power adaptor.
Results?
Before, when in standby mode, no radio, wifi off, screen off, I would lose about 1% battery power per hour through the night while sleeping.
This morning I was shocked. My battery was fully recharged just before midnight, and when I woke up at about 9am this morning, I had lost only 2%. Yes, it said 98% charge left.
WOOHOO!
Anyway, I guess it really does help to allow the battery to drain and fully recharge a few times in the beginning.
Peter
I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
I recycle my battery about once a month and it really helps.
joshzzz2001 said:
I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
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You are right that it's perfectly acceptable to continually charge the HD2. You can't hurt the battery. I'm just saying that I tried this suggestion (from many other threads) and it seemed to improve my battery situation. It may not work for everyone, but at least it's something.
Peter
lude219 said:
I recycle my battery about once a month and it really helps.
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I may try it once a month, too.
Peter
Peter,
This is the way to treat batteries if you want to get the best performance out of them. There are numerous posts on this issue on here but it does not matter how many times it is mentioned, people still don't read.
What you get is a load of comments about how poor the battery life is without them going through the conditioning process that will get the best out of their battery, irrespective of what type of battery it is.
It is always advised that you go through several cycles of full charge and full discharge, preferably when the battery is new, to get best results, and to do this on a regular basis throughout the life of the battery.
Undertake a good deed for the day; spread the word!
WB
wacky.banana said:
Peter,
This is the way to treat batteries if you want to get the best performance out of them. There are numerous posts on this issue on here but it does not matter how many times it is mentioned, people still don't read.
What you get is a load of comments about how poor the battery life is without them going through the conditioning process that will get the best out of their battery, irrespective of what type of battery it is.
It is always advised that you go through several cycles of full charge and full discharge, preferably when the battery is new, to get best results, and to do this on a regular basis throughout the life of the battery.
Undertake a good deed for the day; spread the word!
WB
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You're right. I've read so many different opinions on this matter, including a lot of research on the Internet. There really does not seem to be any consensus on the matter.
One thing's for sure, I will continue to cycle through full charge and full discharge on a regular basis, perhaps once a month. In the meantime, I'll just top it off every day.
Thanks.
PeterHTC said:
You're right. I've read so many different opinions on this matter, including a lot of research on the Internet. There really does not seem to be any consensus on the matter.
One thing's for sure, I will continue to cycle through full charge and full discharge on a regular basis, perhaps once a month. In the meantime, I'll just top it off every day.
Thanks.
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There is a more fundamental point to all this.
Its not the charging and discharging that makes the difference.
Its the working of the battery under load that allows the barry to achieve maximum capacity.
And constantly discharging/draining the battery will have a negative effect over time, shortening life span and usability.
Just charge and use as much as you can.
joshzzz2001 said:
I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
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Strange that all previous phones I had I charged the same way - drain then charge for 12hrs first three times, and then drain / charge as I go - and battery always lasted satisfactorily to me ... I know it is a li-ion battery but for me it works every time and I am sticking to it until they invent better longer lasting batteries
What happens when you Recycle them tho Do you not have to buy another one as I see there not cheap.
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What happens when you Recycle them tho Do you not have to buy another one as I see there not cheap.
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I think he/she means re-cycle as in a charge/discharge cycle
I recently bought a HD2 and was reading very differing advice concerning teaching maximum battery capacity.
-do not let the battery go fully dry, it might harm it (source: wikipedia)
-cycle the battery, drain and fully charge a few times.
-charge as often and much as you can, the battery has no no memory, top it off as you like.
So,,,
I take it now, that the battery likes being used hard, especially when new.
Drain to 7% or so, recharge, drain till 7% or so, a few times.
So do not try to find energy saving mods in the beginning, but work it hard.
I noticed I get a huge battery drain increase when I set the screen backlight to 100 instead of 40. and what a nice display it is
So I figure thats nice way to get to know the HD2, to use it hard and bright, until the battery is 'conditioned' and I know what programs I love the extra brightness in.
I have not been able to drain the battery in a day of expected use yet, always had 23% left or so, which is almost a 4th..
Oh and sorry for off topic, but are any of you guys interested in the ebook reading capabilities on the device at all?
I use a free ebook reader called 'freda' on 'night mode' with black background and red letters, and due to the screen size it is so easy to use the HD2 as an ebook.
I snug into bed and read like 50 pages of an ebook and maybe drift off and the device will auto goto sleep too, if I go first.
It's great.
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
With axura my battery lasts 16 hours with possibly 600+ texts and youtube alot music about 1 hour a few phone calls alot of web.
I only need it to last 12 hours because I charge overnight so I'm good.
I reconditioned too btw
Does reconditioning actually improve battery life or does it simply make the battery indicator more accurate?
It makes it more accurate. Which in terms helps battery because it reads it perfect so ull last longer
Axura is widely considered to have the best battery life. After flashing a new rom you should let your phone charge to 100% and then wipe battery stats in CWM recovery. It can take several days for reading to be taken from the battery so your battery life will usually improve over time.
Hey, I just wanted to thank you all for your input. I decided to go with the latest version of Axura, and so far I've been loving it. I'm not even a day in and I've noticed a difference.
Thanks once again.
+1 On Axura best battery life........
soltheman said:
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
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first thing to do is
Charge Until 100%
choose rom
Run The Phone All Day, Let It Die
Charge Until 100%
Reboot Into Recovery
Select Reinstall Packages (Do it again if needed)
Select Advanced
Select Wipe Battery Stats
Laazyboy said:
Does reconditioning actually improve battery life or does it simply make the battery indicator more accurate?
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Neither. "Conditioning" skews the discharge curve from which the battery indicator indexes it percentages. As a result, the battery appears to discharge at slower rate ("better battery life") over the first two-thirds or so of the discharge cycle and then craters like a lead balloon at the end of the discharge cycle. (You really need to have a battery indicator that shows discharge in 1% increments, such as "blue segmented battery mod" to see this.)
To understand this requires a light understanding of the so-called "battery stat tables." There is an entry in the battery stat tables for each percentage of remaining battery charge, in increments of 1%. So, the table contains entries 100%, 99%,... down to 1%. Associated with each percent of remaining charge entry in the table is a battery terminal voltage and a timestamp. Unfortunately, the smart phone cannot measure actual remaining battery charge. All the system knows is a series of battery terminal voltage measurement taken at even periodic intervals. The algorithm builds the battery stat table to relate each measured voltage to a corresponding “percentage of remaining charge” entry in the table. In normal operation, the system accumulates these measurements over several charge/discharge cycles and analyzes the rates of changes of voltages to refine the discharge curve. After several charge/discharge cycles the percentages, which are displayed on the screen as a battery indicator, become more refined and accurate.
At some point someone apparently thought that it would be a good idea to attempt to manipulate the process of building the battery stat tables. This resulted in the so-called "conditioning procedure." The conditioning procedure consists of fully charging the battery, then deleting the battery stats, and then draining the battery quickly and completely using heavy loads, perhaps in 1 to 2 hours.
What this accomplishes is that the battery stat mechanism builds a new, steep discharge curve based upon the rapid discharge operation. This crude, initial discharge curve has "learned" that the battery should discharge quickly, because it did so during its "training” discharge. More specifically, each "percentage discharge" entry for the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the discharge curve (corresponding to the first 50-75 table entries) will be associated with an abnormally lower voltage (due to the faster rate of decrease in voltage during the "training" discharge cycle) than would be the case if the table had been built normally, over time.
Now, let us think about what happens during the subsequent discharge cycle. We charge the battery to full. Now we begin to use the phone normally, discharging the unit over a period of 12-18 hours, for example. Now the phone experiences a slower rate of change of battery voltage over time, because the load is much lower than that of the forced "training" discharge. Now the algorithm measures a voltage and then attempts to map that voltage to a corresponding percentage discharge table entry. The result is that the battery indicator on the phone shows a very low rate of discharge over many hours. This leads people to erroneously conclude that the "battery conditioning" procedure results in improved battery life. However, this is merely an illusion. The battery indicator is, at this point, simply displaying an incorrect number for the remaining battery life. As a consequence, the battery indicator must "catch up with reality" later in the discharge cycle. This is manifested toward the end of the discharge cycle as the battery indicator drops precipitously from perhaps 35% to zero in a very small amount of time. In any case, fortunately, the weirdness done by "battery conditioning" goes away within a few days as the battery stat algorithm tunes the discharge curve each discharge cycle to bring it ever further in line with the actual average usage of the phone owner. It is a myth that the battery stats become inaccurate over time. To the contrary, the algorithm continuously tunes the tables based upon usage patterns so that the battery indicator becomes more and more accurate.
I do not know where this practice originated, but I do have a cynical hypothesis. The ROM cookers typically mix-and-match code elements from different software releases and otherwise change up the timing, sequencing, etc. of various processes. Doing so may have battery life consequences, because the resulting mish-mash of components may hinder or prevent sleep mode operation, cause processes to run for more time than they should, etc. You can see how "battery conditioning" could mask an acute battery performance problem during the first few hours after a person has flashed a ROM and is watching performance characteristics especially closely. ‘Nuf said on this subject.
Sample battery discharge chart and accompanying notes attached below.
soltheman said:
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
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Tutorial for tuning system to increase battery life here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823025&page=4
xriderx66 said:
With axura my battery lasts 16 hours with possibly 600+ texts and youtube alot music about 1 hour a few phone calls alot of web.
I only need it to last 12 hours because I charge overnight so I'm good.
I reconditioned too btw
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600 texts in 16 hours is nearly 38 texts an hour, 4,200 texts a week, 18,000 texts every month. WTFBBQ?
So i recently flashed CleanDFT ROM, first couple of days the meter read out 1 day and 18 hours which im very surprised then it went down to 1 day and 4 hours, now this morning i unplugged and it tells me i got 19 hours left from full charge, should i go by this? or is there something wrong?
hello can you help me wid flashing...i came from android...no idea of how to do it...
cyril008 said:
hello can you help me wid flashing...i came from android...no idea of how to do it...
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Redirecting you to the right place.
If you have just flashed a new rom, in general, you need to go through a couple of battery cycles before the battery read can be accurate. I remember when flashing my ATT FUze I had to wait 2-3 complete charging cycles ie. discharging battery to 10% and charging back to full before I could get accurate reading. If you are experiencing worse battery time than before flashing after 2-3 cycles you might need to reflash the rom; you should see better battery time with custom roms, so I have heard.
I also wouldn't go by the battery saver timing, I would go by wpbench or real time use to get an accurate reading on battery time. I have a 1800 mah battery in my focus and it reads 24 hours on battery life
As far as i know, doesnt all the ROMs have basically the same battery life?
Ill be going out of town sometime this week and ill be out most of the day, i need a rom thatll at least last a whole 12 to 14 hours at the most or whole day at best of just occasional twittering and occasional checks on facebook and probably capture some pictures and a video and maybe an hour at most on music? im sure this phone can handle it but idk what you guys suggest
I have the same issue with ATT samsung focus with Roger latest updates, the battery meter is just not accurate, sometimes full and just reboot upon eject from the micro usb. The battery was fine until recently. Found a few other with the same issue online, no solution available yet.
*pulling out battery doesn't work*
The solution is exactly the same as it is on a laptop.
Lithium ion batteries, and, actually, come to think of it, pretty all rechargeable batteries lose capacity over time. The phone, to begin with, doesn't have a good idea of how much capacity is left, and it has to estimate based on previous performance. This is partially a result of battery manufacturers going as cheap as possible with the circuitry in lithium ion batteries.
The phone needs to figure out how old your battery is. This data is definitely lost with a new rom. Leave it to charge overnight, then unplug it and let the battery run all the way to dead. Charge it again, and your battery percentages should be correct. It may take more than one cycle, but the meter should settle into a correct estimate eventually.
Incorrect battery stats are a possible reason for fluctuations in battery life and reseting them as described in the previous post can help.
Another thing which you can do is use an app like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328730 to check the reported mV rating of your battery at full charge. That can serve as an indicator of the battery life you can expect with your current battery stats.
Hello,
I read in the internet that is not recomended charge 100% the phone's battery. It's about the battery life. I want to know if it is really true....
Sorry my bad english :cyclops:
Maybe if you want to keep the phone for 5 years you'll notice a difference in battery life by keeping it charged between 20-80% but rarely does anyone do this.
True? Yes, it is. In the same way that it's true that a (properly done) overclock on a CPU will shorten it's lifespam. Yes the overclock will shorten the CPU's lifespam, from 20 years to maybe 15.
Your battery will degrade regardless but by the time it becomes an issue, you'll probably have moved on to a new phone anyway.
peachpuff said:
Maybe if you want to keep the phone for 5 years you'll notice a difference in battery life by keeping it charged between 20-80% but rarely does anyone do this.
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But charging the battery in only 80% means that I will have less SOT before charge again
Tony_Starkus said:
But charging the battery in only 80% means that I will have less SOT before charge again
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The theory behind this apparently is that how battery likes to be in certain battery levels based on the voltage.
Based on what I understand, the phone/battery likes it better if battery is not less than 20 and not more than 80.
This means that if you charge between 20 - 80, you can have a lot more charge cycles as compared to 0 - 100. This could also mean that the battery can last longer in terms of longevity.
But as mentioned, not many people does that unless they are looking to keep their phone for more than 3 years.
These are based on my limited understanding and my own experiences.
You can google battery university if you need more info.
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But charging the battery in only 80% means that I will have less SOT before charge again
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albel said:
The theory behind this apparently is that how battery likes to be in certain battery levels based on the voltage.
Based on what I understand, the phone/battery likes it better if battery is not less than 20 and not more than 80.
This means that if you charge between 20 - 80, you can have a lot more charge cycles as compared to 0 - 100. This could also mean that the battery can last longer in terms of longevity.
But as mentioned, not many people does that unless they are looking to keep their phone for more than 3 years.
These are based on my limited understanding and my own experiences.
You can google battery university if you need more info.
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Most of the information here is correct I have an am always doing battery tests research and such
80% and 20% are the magic number for maximum overall life of a battery...
Also no on mentions heat and cold also degrades the cells inside
I also recomend if you make it through the day shutting off fast charge......
If you think about it it is simmilar to any other battery,
Take a car for example I know i know lead battery vs lith ion but slow charging is the best method for any types of battery life in the long run.... it does not excite any of the ions as much as fast charging......
Fast charging on auto batteries is what we call a surface charge it quickly excites the electrons for a quick zap of juice but then over all that spreads out among all of the rest of the electrons quickly draining and shortning over life....
Slow charge generates less heat as well as does what we call a deep charge....Which is better of coarse I have had automotive batteries say like in my eclipse its 9 years old and it was a 800 amp battery and even after 9 years now
It retains over 650 amps on battery tests because i slow charge it once a month for a couple days be it need it or not..
Also if you guys are over worried and snap dragon try part cyborg rom the engineering kernel used by samdung only allow for a 80% charge.....I get more screen on time than stock on less charge because it is optimized so well....any where from 6 to 8.5+ hours and that is more than enough more my needs....
Also wireless chargers generate heat which degrade life on batts cells.....
I can get way more into detail on any of these if any one wishes
TheMadScientist said:
Most of the information here is correct I have an am always doing battery tests research and such
80% and 20% are the magic number for maximum overall life of a battery...
Also no on mentions heat and cold also degrades the cells inside
I also recomend if you make it through the day shutting off fast charge......
If you think about it it is simmilar to any other battery,
Take a car for example I know i know lead battery vs lith ion but slow charging is the best method for any types of battery life in the long run.... it does not excite any of the ions as much as fast charging......
Fast charging on auto batteries is what we call a surface charge it quickly excites the electrons for a quick zap of juice but then over all that spreads out among all of the rest of the electrons quickly draining and shortning over life....
Slow charge generates less heat as well as does what we call a deep charge....Which is better of coarse I have had automotive batteries say like in my eclipse its 9 years old and it was a 800 amp battery and even after 9 years now
It retains over 650 amps on battery tests because i slow charge it once a month for a couple days be it need it or not..
Also if you guys are over worried and snap dragon try part cyborg rom the engineering kernel used by samdung only allow for a 80% charge.....I get more screen on time than stock on less charge because it is optimized so well....any where from 6 to 8.5+ hours and that is more than enough more my needs....
Also wireless chargers generate heat which degrade life on batts cells.....
I can get way more into detail on any of these if any one wishes
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Have just started reading about s8 stuff and have not rooted yet. Does the kernel allow you to set maximum charge? I remember back on sgs1 specific kernels allowed this but haven't seen it much since then
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Have just started reading about s8 stuff and have not rooted yet. Does the kernel allow you to set maximum charge? I remember back on sgs1 specific kernels allowed this but haven't seen it much since then
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no samsung preset it at 80% and since the bootloaders locked no way to modify it
Ahh I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like since I'm on oreo now I'm stuck without root so I won't be playing with any of that stuff. Have a good one!