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hd2 battery is killing me literally!!

i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,

For what this device has and what it can do the battery life is pretty good, if you just use it for a few random pics, bit of browsing, bit of music and a few calls you should get a days use, if you sit there for ages messing with it its gonna drain.
Im pleased with it myself, apart from the bugs, but waiting......

It's killing you literally? Step away man!

I find the battery life on-par with other smart phones I've owned. I use a desktop cradle (well should soon be using a desktop cradle) and an active holder in the car, so I find the battery keeps up OK with a typical day's use for me. The biggest battery killer is when the screen is on full brightness so I find essential to have the phone on power when I'm using the satnav.

I had really high hopes for this thread when I read the title. Needless to say, I'm pretty disappointed.
Where's the death I was promised?

Die and prove it.

mox123 said:
i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
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To be fair most smartphones drain their batteries pretty damned quickly. Disconnect your data connection when you're not using it and bluetooth too. OK so you won't get weather updates but you'll save battery life. Just charge it nightly and buy a car charger if you really drain that sucker!

Wow, I think battery life is good considering the screen, better than I expected.
Currently, with screen set to 70% brightness, push email on 0800-1800 with hourly retrieval outside those hours, hourly weather/Twitter update, automatic Quick-GPS almanac data update, I last all day (~0700 to 2300), and still with about 20-30% headroom with the following use:
Push email as per above settings
50 minutes GPS tracking
50 minutes bluetooth on (heart rate monitor)
1-2 hours listening to music
Around 1-2 hours high-drain use (screen on, using cellular data/WiFi/GPS - for example browsing/app use/gaming/watching video)
30-40 SMS
15 minutes calls

One simple little trick that I learnt some time ago to preserve battery life is ..........turn down the brightness of the screen display. The brighter it is the more juice gets used.
Get the screen to turn itself off after, say, 30 secs of use. That also helps.
The rest, such as killing off data connections when not in use, etc, you already know.
It never ceases to surprise me at the number of negative comments re battery life. The impression I am left with is that if the battery does not last at least 2 months between charges, even though it is being hammered to within an inch of it's life, then that makes the battery performance rubbish. Anyone ever heard of a battery charger?
It's a really easy to use piece of kit that comes with your device that can be plugged in at night when you are asleep, leaving your device fresh for the morning.
Amazing.
WB

What the heck do you expect from such a phone? The energy management is kinda good and it's the display that kills battery life. You have to get use to it. At least my Touch HD seems to last much longer, but I would never change back.
If you watch a video your battery capacity drops quickly. I estimated 4,3-4,5h of HW-acc WVGA video and 3,5h with a non-HW-acc VGA video. Not that much but it really looks fantastic.
My Solution for this problem is: second battery, extended battery and/or load the battery whereever u can. My normal usage drains 30% of the battery a day, so I get 3 days of normal usage (I'm not an excessive handy user). The standby duration is with 300h not that good, but yeah that means still 12,5 days of standby if I calculated correctly.
The point is, that the phone is that good that I'm attracted to play with it and then the battery life tends to last just a day or less.
I bought a second battery (~22€) just for longer rides. I think it's ok.

mox123 said:
i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
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EEK!, don't come on this forum and complain about the HD2! not allowed. this is now the official HD2 Appreciation society, don't ya know.
I recommend instead you buy some lube oil, massage it into the device, light some candles, play a bit of Barry White, and all will be well.
Then come on this site and reassure all the sensitive souls here that it is indeed the Holy Grail of mobiles and admit you are a Troll for finding a fault with it, and daring to ask about why it does not preform as it says on the tin.
And final advice...In the words of legendary Basil Fawlty... Don't mention the War !..or in this case, the Keyboard!!, I mentioned it once...and thought I got away with it..but no.

hawrai68 said:
EEK!, don't come on this forum and complain about the HD2! not allowed. this is now the official HD2 Appreciation society, don't ya know.
I recommend instead you buy some lube oil, massage it into the device, light some candles, play a bit of Barry White, and all will be well.
Then come on this site and reassure all the sensitive souls here that it is indeed the Holy Grail of mobiles and admit you are a Troll for finding a fault with it, and daring to ask about why it does not preform as it says on the tin.
And final advice...In the words of legendary Basil Fawlty... Don't mention the War !..or in this case, the Keyboard!!, I mentioned it once...and thought I got away with it..but no.
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Nice one.

NetDwarf said:
What the heck do you expect from such a phone? The energy management is kinda good and it's the display that kills battery life. You have to get use to it. At least my Touch HD seems to last much longer, but I would never change back.
If you watch a video your battery capacity drops quickly. I estimated 4,3-4,5h of HW-acc WVGA video and 3,5h with a non-HW-acc VGA video. Not that much but it really looks fantastic.
My Solution for this problem is: second battery, extended battery and/or load the battery whereever u can. My normal usage drains 30% of the battery a day, so I get 3 days of normal usage (I'm not an excessive handy user). The standby duration is with 300h not that good, but yeah that means still 12,5 days of standby if I calculated correctly.
The point is, that the phone is that good that I'm attracted to play with it and then the battery life tends to last just a day or less.
I bought a second battery (~22€) just for longer rides. I think it's ok.
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Exactly !!
1000 Mhz this bugger does.
And really its more then just a phone. with the battery cunsumption like wise.
But they told me one thing,,. something that Noone does
When you get the HD2. Its battery got 20% juice init.
Thats not for fun of the company (prolly sanyo) was laizy and dint bother to fill em 100%.
You have to charge the battery 6 to 12 hours and to peeking at your new jewel.
And i know Noone ever does that. But it ensures batterylife and eficiency
Here is the article >>
Initialize a new battery. New batteries should be fully charged before their first use to obtain maximum capacity.
Nickel-based batteries should be charged for 16 hours initially and run through 2-4 full charge/full discharge cycles, while lithium ion batteries should be charged for about 5-6 hours.
Ignore the phone telling you that the battery is full--this is normal but is not accurate if the battery is not initialized.
#DO NOT fully discharge a lithium-ion battery!
Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries' life is shortened every time you fully discharge them.
Instead, charge them when the battery meter shows one bar left.
Lithium-ion batteries, like most rechargeable batteries have a set amount of chargers in them.[1]
2Keep the battery cool.
Your battery will last longest if used near room temperature, and nothing wears on a battery like extended exposure to high temperatures. While you can’t control the weather, you can avoid leaving your phone in a hot car or in direct sunlight, and you don’t have to carry your phone in your pocket, where your body heat will raise its temperature.
In addition, check the battery while it’s charging. If it seems excessively hot, your charger may be malfunctioning.
3Charge your battery correctly, in accordance with its type. Most newer cell phones have lithium-ion batteries, while older ones generally have nickel-based batteries. Read the label on the back of the battery or in the technical specifications in the manual to determine which yours is.
Nickel-based batteries (either NiCd or NiMH) DO NOT generally suffer from a misunderstood phenomenon known as the "memory effect." As described in Wikipedia and many expert sources,[2] the term "memory effect" has been widely mythologized to describe any and all deterioration of NiCd (and other battery chemistries), in many cases misleading consumers into further shortening the lives of the batteries through over-discharging to "recondition" them.[3]
[This section formerly read: If you charge the battery partially enough times, eventually the battery "forgets" that it can charge fully. A nickel-based battery suffering from memory effect can be reconditioned, which requires the battery to be completely discharged, then completely recharged (sometimes several times). The appropriate length of time between reconditionings varies. A good rule to follow for nickel-battery cell-phones is to discharge them completely once every two to three weeks, and only when you have a charger available. [4] ]
Lithium ion batteries can be preserved by careful charging and avoiding storing them at full charge.[5] They do not require "reconditioning."
Regardless of the battery type, use only a charger rated for your battery, and discontinue use of a charger that causes the battery to heat up excessively.

Enonoid said:
Exactly !!
1000 Mhz this bugger does.
And really its more then just a phone. with the battery cunsumption like wise.
But they told me one thing,,. something that Noone does
When you get the HD2. Its battery got 20% juice init.
Thats not for fun of the company (prolly sanyo) was laizy and dint bother to fill em 100%.
You have to charge the battery 6 to 12 hours and to peeking at your new jewel.
And i know Noone ever does that. But it ensures batterylife and eficiency
Here is the article >>
Initialize a new battery. New batteries should be fully charged before their first use to obtain maximum capacity.
Nickel-based batteries should be charged for 16 hours initially and run through 2-4 full charge/full discharge cycles, while lithium ion batteries should be charged for about 5-6 hours.
Ignore the phone telling you that the battery is full--this is normal but is not accurate if the battery is not initialized.
#DO NOT fully discharge a lithium-ion battery!
Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries' life is shortened every time you fully discharge them.
Instead, charge them when the battery meter shows one bar left.
Lithium-ion batteries, like most rechargeable batteries have a set amount of chargers in them.[1]
2Keep the battery cool.
Your battery will last longest if used near room temperature, and nothing wears on a battery like extended exposure to high temperatures. While you can’t control the weather, you can avoid leaving your phone in a hot car or in direct sunlight, and you don’t have to carry your phone in your pocket, where your body heat will raise its temperature.
In addition, check the battery while it’s charging. If it seems excessively hot, your charger may be malfunctioning.
3Charge your battery correctly, in accordance with its type. Most newer cell phones have lithium-ion batteries, while older ones generally have nickel-based batteries. Read the label on the back of the battery or in the technical specifications in the manual to determine which yours is.
Nickel-based batteries (either NiCd or NiMH) DO NOT generally suffer from a misunderstood phenomenon known as the "memory effect." As described in Wikipedia and many expert sources,[2] the term "memory effect" has been widely mythologized to describe any and all deterioration of NiCd (and other battery chemistries), in many cases misleading consumers into further shortening the lives of the batteries through over-discharging to "recondition" them.[3]
[This section formerly read: If you charge the battery partially enough times, eventually the battery "forgets" that it can charge fully. A nickel-based battery suffering from memory effect can be reconditioned, which requires the battery to be completely discharged, then completely recharged (sometimes several times). The appropriate length of time between reconditionings varies. A good rule to follow for nickel-battery cell-phones is to discharge them completely once every two to three weeks, and only when you have a charger available. [4] ]
Lithium ion batteries can be preserved by careful charging and avoiding storing them at full charge.[5] They do not require "reconditioning."
Regardless of the battery type, use only a charger rated for your battery, and discontinue use of a charger that causes the battery to heat up excessively.
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It's a shame most powerful mobiles heat up like nobody's business whilst on full chat these days.....there's no chance of keeping the batteries cool! Still, it's an expendable item and at least you can buy a replacement.....none of this iPhone 'sealed' tin rubbish.

while i find the battery life reasonable with the features this phone has (read screen size, processor speed), it will be nice to get the CPU throttling app another thread is discussing. don't need that 1000MHz running everytime i pick the phone.
On the same notes, how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?

here4info said:
how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?
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Stick the phone under a bright light such as a desk lamp and cover the light sensor with a piece of paper.

here4info said:
while i find the battery life reasonable with the features this phone has (read screen size, processor speed), it will be nice to get the CPU throttling app another thread is discussing. don't need that 1000MHz running everytime i pick the phone.
On the same notes, how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?
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It certainly isn't running when I boot my phone up....hardly gives an impression of speed.

mox123 said:
i spoke to htc about the abysmal battery life, they say that there could be extended batteries in the near future, with a new back cover (with the back sticking out)
i dont mind charging it every day but
everytime i do something basic, for couple of minutes, it goes down by 1 percent, everything is turned off, gsm 2g mode, etc.
anyway the guy at htc said its due to the massive screen, this is what drains majority of the juice,
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are you the first wm phone user? Do you have good experience with phones that has so much specs? Do you use wifi and browse with phone very heavily? If you do, it is really normal that the battery will drain. My Touch HD does the same, it can last a day or 2 or drain like water not more than half a day, it depends on your usage. Try to get a second battery, or even the third one like I do, what is a big deal? It is completely normal.

I don't have a lot complaints on this phone as it meets most of my requirements.about the battery, I seriously don't think it is that bad. for example if you have a car with 1500 horse power and expect it to have or rather 30-40 mpg, don't think it is possible. try to use your local gas station (in this case your friendly charger) more often.move on with your life please.

c4Lvin said:
I don't have a lot complaints on this phone as it meets most of my requirements.about the battery, I seriously don't think it is that bad. for example if you have a car with 1500 horse power and expect it to have or rather 30-40 mpg, don't think it is possible. try to use your local gas station (in this case your friendly charger) more often.move on with your life please.
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That might be a little difficult because this battery problem is killing him, LITERALLY

Battery Charging Tips (Golden 100%)

Just want to share my experience of 'best' charging method that can maximize the battery life of my Nexus one.
Firstly, let me introduce my equip:
- Machine: Nexus one
- Rom: FRF91 Stock, Deodexed, rooted, busybox... (Geo411m)
- Kernel: intersectRaven's 2.6.35_AVS-925mV_CFS_20100802_1056.zip
- Control: SetCPU, Interactive: 245-960Mhz when on, and 245-245 when screen off
The key method of obtaining max. battery life is the 'GOLDEN' time from 100% drop down to 99%. Once the battery shows dropping from 100 to 99%, the dropping speed is quite stably fast onwards
So, how to retain 100% longer before dropping to 99%? Below are the steps that really work for me:
1) Charge the phone to green light, some where between 90% and 100% (say: 95%)
2) Disconnect USB charging cable
3) Turn off the phone
4) Connect USB charging cable and charge the phone, it should show orange light
5) Set a timer, remember to *ONLY charge the phone for around 20-25mins*
6) The concept is NOT to charge the phone until you get green light. In order words, you need to charge the phone from 95% for 20-25mins where the light is kept ORANGE with the phone turned off!!!
7) After 20-25mins, disconnect USB cable and power on your nexus phone
8) You are done and the battery should last longer before dropping to 99%
9) Time in step (5) depends, you need to trial-&-error
For my experience, I normally charge the phone before I sleep and disconnect the charger. In the morning when I get up, it usually shows around 95% of battery. Then, I power off the phone and charge it. And then I take breakfast, bla bla bla ~ and after around 20mins, disconnect the charger and go to work. The battery can retain 100% for around 30mins of continuous web browsing, facebooking... and when I reach my office, sometimes, the battery still shows 100% !!!
So, above is my experience of how to maximize the 100% retaining time.
Please feel free to try and share with us whether it really works for you

Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often.
I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car.
All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?

^ Well looking at your usage, and the plenty charging points, of course you dont care. However, some ppl browse a lot, play games, so every last inch of battery life means something.

I just keep spare batteries in my pockets =D

I will try your golden tips.. then I will write my thoughts.
I thank you for sharing.

Screwing up the battery meter does not get you more battery life, period, and I suspect your shenanigans here is doing that. The battery has a set capacity, it's not going to charge more than that.
The Nexus One and a lot of other modern phones with modern batteries DO NOT trickle charge, they charge to 100% and STOP charging. When the phone drops to a certain limit, it charges more. Repeat as long as it's on the charger. This is why you might see it "drop a few percent" when you pull the charger.

Yea this sounds like a huge placebo effect.

Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.

heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor

Yeah, that's what I mean.
victorhooi said:
heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
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Goonish said:
Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
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How do you figure out your mAh level? Spare parts only shows me mV.
Thanks
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

This is placebo. In the OP you even say after it finally drops to 99% it drops fast after that. It's because the phone wasn't at 100% all that time. It was giving you a false reading from messing with the charging pattern.
The best way I've found to charge the phone is to delete the battery stats, turn the phone off, and charge it until it's green. I get a great day of battery life with the phone that way.

Ryjabo said:
Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often. I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car. All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
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Totally agree...I just charge when & where necessary and never worry about it! Don't have the time and it seems to last long enough for me to work & play

I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.

ram130 said:
I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
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I'm fairly sure that the Milliampere-hour (mAh) is the capacity of the battery (the amount of energy it will store). How can you get "over 1500mAh" on a 1400 mAh battery? None of you are making any sense what so ever. You can't get more energy out of a battery by charging it a specific way. If I gave you a bucket that held 10lbs of sand and you filled it with 8lbs of sand and waited a few minutes then started filling the rest slowly, it wont hold more sand. This is nothing more than a placebo effect. The only way to get more time from a battery is to reduce the amount of consumption. The only way to do that is to use your phone less or make your hardware use the battery less such as undervolting your CPU. I tried for the longest time to explain to people that underclocking your CPU does absolutely nothing. If you're still running at the same voltage you're still consuming the same amount of power.

Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?

xPatriicK said:
Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
Source: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/

dumbestcrayon said:
Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..

xPatriicK said:
I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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Yeah, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497

I have been using ultimate juice defender and battery life has doubled with usual usage. Maybe this can be considered as an alternative to longer battery life
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[Q] Suddenly Poor Battery

My dad's Droid 2's battery life just took a nose dive about a week ago. He is running the rooted stock 2.2 rom, few widgets on the home screen, no task killing, and he hasn't gotten any apps in the last month (I don't think he knows how). Did his battery just die (unusable, not no capactity) or is there anything I can try?

What I would do, is tell him to get the battery to where the phone wont turn on anymore, its COMPLETELY DEAD. Plug it into the wall until its 100 percent, then drain it down to about 10 percent, then plug it into the wall again. After another complete charge, it should be good again. Its called reconditioning the battery. I do it about once a month.

boogerburns said:
What I would do, is tell him to get the battery to where the phone wont turn on anymore, its COMPLETELY DEAD. Plug it into the wall until its 100 percent, then drain it down to about 10 percent, then plug it into the wall again. After another complete charge, it should be good again. Its called reconditioning the battery. I do it about once a month.
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I've heard a lot that Lithium-Ion batteries shouldn't be conditioned too often, because they only have so many charge cycles. I'm not expert though. (Don't let this keep you from trying what boogerburns suggested. I could work for you. I'm just stating that Lith-Ion batteries don't like to be drained a lot)
Anyways, the battery could have gotten a bad cell. You can check the battery condition by opening the dialer, and hitting *#*#4636#*#*
This will bring up a menu, and you can choose battery info (or something along those lines) If battery condition is anything but "good" then he'll probably need a bad battery.

boogerburns said:
What I would do, is tell him to get the battery to where the phone wont turn on anymore, its COMPLETELY DEAD. Plug it into the wall until its 100 percent, then drain it down to about 10 percent, then plug it into the wall again. After another complete charge, it should be good again. Its called reconditioning the battery. I do it about once a month.
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Well, now it's at a point where the battery is dead in only a few hours, so he's "conditioning" his battery once every few hours.
orkillakilla said:
I've heard a lot that Lithium-Ion batteries shouldn't be conditioned too often, because they only have so many charge cycles. I'm not expert though. (Don't let this keep you from trying what boogerburns suggested. I could work for you. I'm just stating that Lith-Ion batteries don't like to be drained a lot)
Anyways, the battery could have gotten a bad cell. You can check the battery condition by opening the dialer, and hitting *#*#4636#*#*
This will bring up a menu, and you can choose battery info (or something along those lines) If battery condition is anything but "good" then he'll probably need a bad battery.
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I did check on the battery condition somewhere, and it was "good". However, I was wondering if there's a way to check uptime/awake time on the D2. My Inc had bad battery once, and I knew it was a lemon since the uptime was far more than awake time. I'm afraid that a rogue update is sucking my dad's battery.
How can I check my uptime and awake time?

pianoplayer said:
Well, now it's at a point where the battery is dead in only a few hours, so he's "conditioning" his battery once every few hours.
I did check on the battery condition somewhere, and it was "good". However, I was wondering if there's a way to check uptime/awake time on the D2. My Inc had bad battery once, and I knew it was a lemon since the uptime was far more than awake time. I'm afraid that a rogue update is sucking my dad's battery.
How can I check my uptime and awake time?
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Use the code I posted earlier, and this time select battery history. Select "partial wake" and see if anything is keeping your phone awake. Also look at network usage and see if anything is using that too much.
Alternately, you can download an app called Spareparts from the market (free) and you can get this information more quickly.

Fixed the battery :D

So up until today I've been having fairly lousy battery life (understandably) its dual core and h+..its expected..
But I read a thread earlier today (I forgot who, sorry) suggested that you go into the Latitude application and disable it and log out - ever since I did that this morning my battery has been absolutely amazing with the same usage.
It was 16 hours since unplugged from it's AC charger still at 40% which I think is amazing..just wanted to share that with you guys and suggest that you try it!
*Clarification: I normally get 12 hours and it's dead, today with the same usage I got 16 hours and 54 minutes with 40% left
Sorry for the bad grammar I wrote this in a rush

I got similar results from letting it die and get a full charge. From 10 hours to a day easy.. This thing is seriously on steroids.
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So up until today I've been having fairly lousy battery life (understandably) its dual core and h+..its expected..
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Its not really expected, espescially from those two things you mentioned
(btw I am at 50% .. 22h 43m 35s since unplugged)

ChongoDroid said:
I got similar results from letting it die and get a full charge. From 10 hours to a day easy..
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Lithium Ion batteries are different to their predecessors in that they have no "memory effect". Other, older battery chemistry types had to be fully discharged before charging again for them to be effective and hold a charge. Lithium Ion batteries will not benefit from discharge, and are in fact ruined if you let them completely discharge. If it's a protected battery type it should shut off before it is fully discharged, thus not ruining it, but there is still no benefit. They are also very sensitive to temperature, and heat will kill them too. They will degrade at a much faster rate with heat. These are the two main reasons we have to replace cell phone batteries so frequently.

One annoyance about this phone is that it won't charge from usb worth a damn.
My previous phones I would let "slow charge" off a old powered hub overnight. With the Atrix you pretty much have to use the wall charger which charges much faster.
I swear I got better life out of my old phone when I charged it this way vs the fast charger.

Mine charges fine with USB from my laptop. I get easy 12-14 hours with 30-40% left depending on usage.

CaelanT said:
Lithium Ion batteries are different to their predecessors in that they have no "memory effect". Other, older battery chemistry types had to be fully discharged before charging again for them to be effective and hold a charge. Lithium Ion batteries will not benefit from discharge, and are in fact ruined if you let them completely discharge. If it's a protected battery type it should shut off before it is fully discharged, thus not ruining it, but there is still no benefit. They are also very sensitive to temperature, and heat will kill them too. They will degrade at a much faster rate with heat. These are the two main reasons we have to replace cell phone batteries so frequently.
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Ok seriously just google how android handles the battery stats and look for learn mode.
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ChongoDroid said:
Ok seriously just google how android handles the battery stats and look for learn mode.
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Don't get your point!
Lithium Ion batteries do not change their chemical make up for Android, Linux, or any other operating system for that matter.
Android "battery stats" have absolutely nothing to do with how a lithium ion battery operates, and is designed to operate. I would love for you to enlighten me on how Android changes this, as your post seems to imply Android can manipulate the chemical makeup and basic design intent of lithium ion batteries!
Protected lithium ion batteries have "protection" circuits in them much like a mini computer which can be programmed to shut them off prior to full discharge, over charge, too much heat, etc. Android can utilize this "mini computer" to prevent problems with the batteries themselves, but not eliminate those problems!
Now, if you really want to argue this, stop quoting Google, (which you actually didn't, you just said Google it!) and we will dig into the full design intent, chemical balance and makeup, and actual results of tests which come directly from the engineers who gave us lithium ion batteries. You can produce your test data to substantiate what you are saying, and I will do the same! If you aren't willing, or can't as I surmise the case will be, stop Googling, and stop jumping up and down because someone has commented something contrary to what you believe or have said. I simply pointed out FACTS relative to lithium ion batteries so people wouldn't be confused thinking the best thing to do is let the battery drain out and then charge it, because if the battery doesn't have a protection circuit, it will die!
<edit> BTW...........If you seriously want to argue this, don't comment back with something childish like a WiKi link............lets get down to the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of this subject!

btw I am at 40% .. 26h 06m 02s since unplugged

1day 10 hours 33 minues 39 seconds since unplugged,
30% left
just plugged in

I'm currently at around 46 hours with like 25% left lol. I guess that's pretty good!
Obviously I'm not having too many problems battery wise, but I was wondering, how do I disable this latitude application? When I click on it in my app drawer, it just takes me to maps... However, I installed GingerBlur, and the latitude app isn't even in my drawer anymore? Is it just an add-on of sorts to the Maps app? If so, if I've never actually signed in or anything does that mean I don't need to worry about disabling?

If you can deal with the lagged connection after unlocking and periodic checks for stuff like email rather than near instant, then JuiceDefender really does seem to go a long way in terms of battery saving.

CaelanT said:
Don't get your point!
Lithium Ion batteries do not change their chemical make up for Android, Linux, or any other operating system for that matter.
Android "battery stats" have absolutely nothing to do with how a lithium ion battery operates, and is designed to operate. I would love for you to enlighten me on how Android changes this, as your post seems to imply Android can manipulate the chemical makeup and basic design intent of lithium ion batteries!
Protected lithium ion batteries have "protection" circuits in them much like a mini computer which can be programmed to shut them off prior to full discharge, over charge, too much heat, etc. Android can utilize this "mini computer" to prevent problems with the batteries themselves, but not eliminate those problems!
Now, if you really want to argue this, stop quoting Google, (which you actually didn't, you just said Google it!) and we will dig into the full design intent, chemical balance and makeup, and actual results of tests which come directly from the engineers who gave us lithium ion batteries. You can produce your test data to substantiate what you are saying, and I will do the same! If you aren't willing, or can't as I surmise the case will be, stop Googling, and stop jumping up and down because someone has commented something contrary to what you believe or have said. I simply pointed out FACTS relative to lithium ion batteries so people wouldn't be confused thinking the best thing to do is let the battery drain out and then charge it, because if the battery doesn't have a protection circuit, it will die!
<edit> BTW...........If you seriously want to argue this, don't comment back with something childish like a WiKi link............lets get down to the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of this subject!
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Caelan I'm not trying to be a **** or argue about liion batteries, I know that draining it affects battery health. What I'm saying is that I read back in my n1 days that theirs a way to enter "learn mode" from plugging in your phone while the shutdown process (chimes, and the "shutting down phone") note this was all from xda and all for the n1 so I have no idea if its as simple on the atrix. I was going to attempt this but I fell asleep and it completely discharged and on the next charge it has calibrated itself and I'm experiencing much better results.
I know its not placebo because nothing has changed usage wise. Same apps same deal.
I only told you to google it because thats what I did and I can't remember what article. Cheers
** on a side note I did this on my xoom because I was having problems with bad battery after using oc kernels and continual bad battery after flashing back. And I can report 3 days uptime so far so theirs something to this.
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And yes I agree that if you are simply a power user and you have a lot of weak internet connections and run your screen on full brightness you will experience very little affect from calibration but if your a moderate user that is having problems getting your phone to sleep properly and still getting 10 hours then something is wrong.
No android does not chemically change batteries but it does control how much juice is used for certain activities. I noticed that my battery would drain rapidly from 100 to 60 with little usage and having my screen off didn't seem to slow it down. From 60% it would be better but at the 20% it would take a long time to drain. After I calibrated my battery it drained only with usage and would practically stop if the screen was turned off. Hopefully that can help someone... I know how annoying an unconditioned battery can be.
Ps what caelan is saying is true so if you do calibrate don't do it often because this leads to shorter battery life in the long run.
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I run gingerblur 3.5 on my atrix and it more than doubles my battery life over stock. Just plugged mine in and was 1 day and 23 hours since last plugged in. I don't do a lot of stuff with it besides text and try not to have a TON of apps running.

ChongoDroid said:
Caelan I'm not trying to be a **** or argue about liion batteries, I know that draining it affects battery health. What I'm saying is that I read back in my n1 days that theirs a way to enter "learn mode" from plugging in your phone while the shutdown process (chimes, and the "shutting down phone") note this was all from xda and all for the n1 so I have no idea if its as simple on the atrix. I was going to attempt this but I fell asleep and it completely discharged and on the next charge it has calibrated itself and I'm experiencing much better results.
I know its not placebo because nothing has changed usage wise. Same apps same deal.
I only told you to google it because thats what I did and I can't remember what article. Cheers
** on a side note I did this on my xoom because I was having problems with bad battery after using oc kernels and continual bad battery after flashing back. And I can report 3 days uptime so far so theirs something to this.
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Can we go for a few beers? I think we would have some f**ked up conversations followed by more beer drinking! LOL
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roharia said:
So up until today I've been having fairly lousy battery life (understandably) its dual core and h+..its expected..
But I read a thread earlier today (I forgot who, sorry) suggested that you go into the Latitude application and disable it and log out - ever since I did that this morning my battery has been absolutely amazing with the same usage.
It was 16 hours since unplugged from it's AC charger still at 40% which I think is amazing..just wanted to share that with you guys and suggest that you try it!
*Clarification: I normally get 12 hours and it's dead, today with the same usage I got 16 hours and 54 minutes with 40% left
Sorry for the bad grammar I wrote this in a rush
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Right now I am at 1 day and 10 hrs @ 40%.
Download Elixir and load up a 7x1 widget on your home screen. add in Wifi and GPS switches. These will save your battery life the most.

do any of the users that get well above 16 hours of battery life want to elaborate on what applications may be running, widgets, etc? I have my brightness set to 11%, have 5 homescreen pages, mostly widgets that refresh hourly or longer, and hardly ever have wifi on.

basically you had your gps reporting your location all day long. No wonder you got a lousy battery life. You should have seen the gps icon on and the app being listed on the battery manager.

Just wait till exchange corporate sync goes nuts and drains your battery in 3 hours flat.
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Fix For Battery Jumping Around

1) Charge ur phone while off untill u reach 100%
2)Remove the battery but dont unplug the phone from wallcharger
3)Reinsert the battery, you will see 0%
4) Let the battery charge, when reach 100% power on the phone without unplugging wallcharger.
Now should be all good

you are kidding right ?

This is the one of the worst advices I've heard..... Overcharging the battery is dangerous.
It will actually degrade the batteries performance

I don't know what to say. Does this work?
Also by battery jumping do you mean those crazy drops between reboots or just drops due to lack of deep sleep?

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you are kidding right ?
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fburgos said:
This is the one of the worst advices I've heard..... Overcharging the battery is dangerous.
It will actually degrade the batteries performance
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U know how the LIB works? How Android manage the battery?
Try yourself and see! This is not overcharging

sasank360 said:
I don't know what to say. Does this work?
Also by battery jumping do you mean those crazy drops between reboots or just drops due to lack of deep sleep?
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Btw the drop between reboots

Battery bin tracks the battery usage giving an estimate of the charge been used, battery .bin gets wiped every time it get to 100%, and the tracking of battery's current starts
As I remember lithium batteries charge in two cycles
1- constant current
2- constant voltage near the full capacity.
But then if you trick the phone to read battery as 0% then you are sending more current to an already full battery overcharging.
The jumping of battery percentage is because a bug in the battery "gauge"
But as always if in wrong, my apologies and I'll be more than happy to read your source.

Biggest issue is that the battery has a very poor C-rating, and has huge voltage drops under heavy load. The reboot battery problem comes from this; when you reboot your phone, or other times as well, the heavy usage spike drops the battery voltage down. Android system them detects this low voltage and just assumed the battery is almost empty. Normally there is some averaging going on to remove these spikes, and even then the battery % only goes down, so when the voltage recovers it just shows the same % for longer. Problem when rebooting is that it only sees this low, under load voltage and acts accordingly.
If the voltage isn't low enough so the phone shuts down, you might get 30minutes of screen time while the battery is showing 1%.
My problem is that the last 14% of my battery lasts under a minute before the phone shuts down. So I just treat 15% as actually meaning 1%.
Also, you can't dangerously over charge the battery, it has protection circuitry built in, and the li-ion charger part will detect the real voltage. This "supercharging" does however cost some long term lifetime from it, so it shouldn't be done too often.

Please excuse me, this is long.
Hello guys. I need some advice. I use I9195.
From the past 2 weeks i am facing serious battery drops
while phone is in standby.
I must mention that in the last 2 months my phone accidentally dropped onto marble floor 4-5 times.
Each time i checked to see if everything was working and everything did. But from the last time i dropped i began to notice this battery drain.
I made sure all hardware is working.
No problem with display even after all those drops.
(only minor scratches)
Earpiece, 2 cameras, speaker, mic, wifi, bluetooth all work fine. Network quality is great. This is the behavior with any rom, any modem and any usage.
When in standby, battery drains upto 2-3% every hour.
No background apps/services , wakelocks or anything that keeps device awake. And yet the drop is steep and is solely due to "cell standy".
I have no screenshots but here is a scenario :::
From 98% to 33% in ,
16hrs usage, 1hr33min awake and 1hr16min screen on.
Wifi enable half the time and 3g data was disabled.
EDIT :: New battery did not solve this drain.

Hey guys. Please suggest what should i be doing.
Read post above. Can new battery help ?
Thanks. [emoji29]

Same problem here i also need help.
From GT-I9192.
My phone dropped 5-6 times and .org works fine now.

NihAl HarvarD said:
Same problem here i also need help.
From GT-I9192.
My phone dropped 5-6 times and .org works fine now.
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what do you mean by "" .org works fine now ""

Typo