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[Q] [Q in need of A] Will installing NAND Android still allow me to run [SD] Android?

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I am wondering that question as well..., how do you access the data/files on ya SD inside Android/NAND Android?

Well there's always file managing apps like Astro, but I'm not sure if it works that way, so, if someone could put kill our question!

Android is Linux based so there should be a similiar command to ls -a where you can see the files and be able to run SD Roms? Or I'm kinda hoping there is..., in SU maybe???

Thanks for the feedback bro, appreciate them.
We just need a response from actual experience; surely trying to run Android off SD wouldn't harm the device in any way.

I don't think we can boot an android build from an android build seeing as how clrcad and haret was build for winmo. >.> but looking at the magdlr notes, if i'm wrong, it has an option to boot android from SD or to boot from NAND, so guess that means you can have an android build in SD and NAND.

NEVER MIND... it failed the second time.

Yes but the build has to be built like a nand build. So you can't just boot the ones you have now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10202441&postcount=146

buzz killington said:
Yes but the build has to be built like a nand build. So you can't just boot the ones you have now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10202441&postcount=146
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I just tried..., I done what I would normally do for an SD Build and used the NAND boot menu to try to run the SD Build. Even though there is an option which says you can run from AD SD..., it doesn't happen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10202441&postcount=146 <-- This makes sense ( no pun intended )

I understand that a Nand build on SD card will work the same as Nand build on phone, that makes perfect sense.
Question is, is the SD card memory used for application files or will it use up all the memory on my phone like Nand on phone does? Is it possible to use a data.img. Of course, the perfect solution would be to add the option in Magldr (Nand) to boot into recovery so the SD card could be partitioned for files and ext3 for extra application system files like we can with a normal Android phone. Then the need to add another Android rom onto the SD card just for extra storage would not be needed for us European users.
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Death of SD/RAM Builds?

Hey everyone, I am glad NAND is finally released (for those that have been waiting for it), but I'm wondering if theres anyone (yes I know the pros of having NAND Android) that prefers being able to dual boot? I'm starting to feel that work will halt on the SD/RAM builds. Any reassurance? Thanks guys.

I'd like to keep SD builds as well.
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Naw I think a lot of us non-TMOUS HD2 owners will still use SD builds. Reason being, we just don't have a lot of storage space, which many of us need. Unless Devs perform the ext4 partition thingie onto or sd card, for us to expand storage, storage will still be small for non-TMOUS HD2 NAND users i guess.

Yes, RAM builds are the biggest source of competition for NAND - however, I haven't filled up my storage yet with my apps and still have about 90/100MB left of phone storage.
What about installing apps to SD card???
Signal strength is much better on NAND though for me.

Can you report how many %of the.time without signal with sd and %with nand? I believe you but I didnt test nand roughly because of the memory limitation. But I guess thats gone now

I hope the response will be "No". I use the PSX Emulator (FPSece) on WinMo so I prefer switch on Andoid or on WinMo.

Nand is obviously the next stage of evolution in rom development towards running Android natively on our hd2's.
sd card builds have the great advantage of being swapped easily, especially with multiple sd cards (I have two, one stable daily use which is fully configured and one experimental)
Moreover the risk of bricking your previous device is rather low from sd..
I am not very clear about the difficulty of transferring a build from an sd build to nand and vice versa, but if there could be a migration tutorial, as a sticky we could have both, latest builds in nand and the choice of running them from sd..
Is this technically possible? Which factors could inhibit easy migration?
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I thought originally MAGLDR was supposed to be able to multiboot Android and WinMo (probably a non-sense version of each due to space)?

I hope MADLR can do the following soon:
- Load SD\RAM\NAND Android from custom folders on the fly
- Allow backup\restore of the data store
- Load WMP 6.5 and maybe even 7
I think this will keep the flexibility of multiple build loads alive which will benefit the user and the devs. I know some of this should be coming but it would be nice to get all of our belated Christmas wishes.

not sure but,,
im not sure but the aMAGLDR menu does also have the option to boot from SD-card, i havent tried it yet though..
also one thing i still want is the ability to boot my ubuntu-sd-card build, now i cant use haret.exe im not sure how to go about the dual booting thing ??
much stuff to try out
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ok, just put the contents of an old sd card build directly onto the root of an sd card (ie, without the 'android' folder) booted phone holing power key until magldr menu shows, then select boot AD from SD and it boots just like the old sd card with haret method, -
so far i see it finds zimage and initrd.gz, then i get the boot screen, .... looks like dual booting is still an option even if it may need a bit of tweaking.. i guess its just the startup.txt that needs to be read for it to boot properly ,
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I think in the original NAND release thread, Cotulla explains that a SD build (haret.exe) and a NAND build are very different, to use the SD boot option in MAGLDR, you need to put the content of a NAND build on the SD card, somehow...
edit: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10202441#post10202441

I would like it if they could implement a better DFT installer, which had options such as
• Install to NAND
• Install to SD
• Customise partitions
• Multiboot
Instead of just being able to install to NAND. This way, we can have a single installer / release for both methods (and this would make it easier for chefs )

HectiQ said:
Can you report how many %of the.time without signal with sd and %with nand? I believe you but I didnt test nand roughly because of the memory limitation. But I guess thats gone now
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I think it's impossible to say for how long - but on Darkstone 1.5 RAM, and MDJ's HD4.6 I would find the signal to have disappeared at least once a day up to three times - requiring a reboot of the phone - airplane mode did not seem to work.
After reboot signal would return to full strength in the same exact spot.
Problem is the signal would be lost in a pocket or on my desk and you simply would not notice it until you went to use the device - in fact the first time I realised it was happening was because I was getting far fewer emails/smses and calls and the phone was utterly quiet - very peculiar for the holiday season and party planning.

I haven't as yet downloaded a NAND build although i may well do that this evening, however having downloading many different builds for Android over the last few months i can safely say Dark Stone's SUPERAM blows everything out of the water in terms of speed it really is very fast which IMO is very important.

[Q] Do I have to use the SD method if I want to keep Winmo?

I am about to install Android on my HTC HD2, and the advise I was given was that I must use the SD method. I just want to be sure.
I need a system where when I start the Phone Winmo starts up, and then I run another program to run Android, and then I can go back and forth (via reboot or some other way).
Thanks for your advise and information!
Chaz

So far as I know, you'll have to go with the SD variant if you want to keep WinMo. That way, WinMo is only a re-boot away. It's the method I prefer as I'm not so taken with either Android or WinPhone to go for the full NAND flash.

yeah, you would need to use the SD card method, i would recomend using RAM builds because they are very fast!

Yes, you must avoid the NAND versions, cause these will erase your Windows Mobile ROM and replace it by a Android ROM.
Thus, you have to choose a build inside the "HD2 Android SD Development" thread.
But here inside it is not always simple. Cause for some SD builds you will need to flash MAGLDR to be able to boot these builds, while for others the old method of executing CLRCAD and HARET is much simpler.

I am in... after long search.

Hey guys I am in!!. After a long search I managed to get an hd2 ... and I am getting used to it. The first thing I do is I put magldr 1.13, cement 3.xxx, then put latest miui rom ( man I have never seen such an eyecady android ever).
Since I am a newbee to hd2, pls help me with some doubts
1) can I instal wp7 and any android to nand at the same time? Or I have to keep Andy in SD inorder 2 dual boot?
2) can I use supercharger script. Also pls help me to add tweeks to hd2( like scripts, mods, etc) .pls post some links 2 those.
3) where are the latest radios? I managed 2 find only one.
4) does chrot work on hd2, I have read about it in LG optimus2x forum. And I am interested in installing backtrack in hd2.
5) magldr always boot into the os directly, and hence I can't go to cwm from any app, nor can't flash zips using rom manager. For that I always have 2 go2 adrecovery from magldr menu, which takes me into cwm. And I am not sure if cwm is in nand or SD. Pls clear it to me.
6) what is about partitioning? Various roms require various sizes, and it confuses me. I can't install nexus HD rom( android 4. Ported 2 hd2). It installs and don't boot at all. Where I can instal miui which I am using now.
7) which one is better magldr or clk? What are the differences?
Pls help me...
Thankz in advance .
send from my hd2 @ miui 1.12.2

showlyshah said:
Hey guys I am in!!. After a long search I managed to get an hd2 ... and I am getting used to it. The first thing I do is I put magldr 1.13, cement 3.xxx, then put latest miui rom ( man I have never seen such an eyecady android ever).
Since I am a newbee to hd2, pls help me with some doubts
1) can I instal wp7 and any android to nand at the same time? Or I have to keep Andy in SD inorder 2 dual boot?
2) can I use supercharger script. Also pls help me to add tweeks to hd2( like scripts, mods, etc) .pls post some links 2 those.
3) where are the latest radios? I managed 2 find only one.
4) does chrot work on hd2, I have read about it in LG optimus2x forum. And I am interested in installing backtrack in hd2.
5) magldr always boot into the os directly, and hence I can't go to cwm from any app, nor can't flash zips using rom manager. For that I always have 2 go2 adrecovery from magldr menu, which takes me into cwm. And I am not sure if cwm is in nand or SD. Pls clear it to me.
6) what is about partitioning? Various roms require various sizes, and it confuses me. I can't install nexus HD rom( android 4. Ported 2 hd2). It installs and don't boot at all. Where I can instal miui which I am using now.
7) which one is better magldr or clk? What are the differences?
Pls help me...
Thankz in advance .
send from my hd2 @ miui 1.12.2
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let me get a crack at this lol.
1. i believe only one os can be on nand only, ive seen people boot nand wp7 and android sd
2. i use the supercharger script which is great and use option 9, its in the android hacking forum.
3. the only radio you should probably be concerned and using (since there tested for compatibality lol ) is the 2.x.50.x radio ( preferably 2.15.50 for android)
4.never heard of chrot lol. sorry
5. rom manager now supports the hd2 and recovery is in nand.
6. some roms require different system partions to run correctly so there is ample wiggle room for the os to run smooth and butter.
7. there both great bootloaders, i wont state whats better, but i use magdlr since its the first one i used, and i really liked it and have gotten accustomed to it.
hope i answered your questions man and good luck!

i'm gonna try to answer too!
showlyshah said:
Hey guys I am in!!. After a long search I managed to get an hd2 ... and I am getting used to it. The first thing I do is I put magldr 1.13, cement 3.xxx, then put latest miui rom ( man I have never seen such an eyecady android ever).
Since I am a newbee to hd2, pls help me with some doubts
1) can I instal wp7 and any android to nand at the same time? Or I have to keep Andy in SD inorder 2 dual boot?
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with stock EVERYTHING, only WM6.5 can be in the NAND. MAGLDR supports only ONE OS in NAND at a time (either Android or WP7). so the other OS can be on sd card only. and the only OSes one can boot from sd card are Android and Ubuntu.
the above paragraph should help you determine all the possible combinations.
2) can I use supercharger script. Also pls help me to add tweeks to hd2( like scripts, mods, etc) .pls post some links 2 those.
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honestly, most of the custom ROMs here are already tweaked enough to my liking. for some tweaks, you can use apps like "spare parts+" and "rom toolkit" etc. the rest is all customizations:
1. skins - if using a cyanogenmod Android, then theme switcher is built in. if using an HTC Sense Android, then theme switcher is already built in. most "simpler" ROMs may require a lot of work on your part to tweak the look n feel.
2. wallpapers - easy! changing wallpapers is built into all Android ROMs
3. ringtones & alerts - easy! changing these is built into all Android ROMs
4. apps - go to the market place (on Android or WP7) and download whatever you want!
and so on...
3) where are the latest radios? I managed 2 find only one.
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see my signature where i've written my radio version. click it to go to the master list of HD2 radio ROMs. i guess sticking to the 2.15 version is recommended by most people.
4) does chrot work on hd2, I have read about it in LG optimus2x forum. And I am interested in installing backtrack in hd2.
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are you talking about the "chroot" command in linux? i just tried to run it in my Android's terminal emulator and it works. if you are talking about a way to grant root access to applications that request it on Android, then yes again. most custom Android ROMs here are already "rooted".
5) magldr always boot into the os directly, and hence I can't go to cwm from any app, nor can't flash zips using rom manager. For that I always have 2 go2 adrecovery from magldr menu, which takes me into cwm. And I am not sure if cwm is in nand or SD. Pls clear it to me.
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isn't it nice that MAGLDR boots into your default ROM automatically? to access the MAGLDR menu, reboot the device, and hold down the power/endcall button until the MAGLDR menu comes up.
CWM is in the NAND (these days), but CAN be on the sd card if you want. it takes less than 5MB of your NAND. this will be more clear if you pay attention to the contents of "flash.cfg" when you are performing the MAGLDR partitioning using "DAF.exe" on your desktop.
6) what is about partitioning? Various roms require various sizes, and it confuses me. I can't install nexus HD rom( android 4. Ported 2 hd2). It installs and don't boot at all. Where I can instal miui which I am using now.
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there are two kinds of partitioning we discuss on xda:
1. NAND partitioning - done with MAGLDR. a few MB for the recovery (CWM), followed by a big chunk of memory for the ROM itself, followed by a few MB for the cache, followed by a big chunk of memory for user data. most of the ROMs these days are "heavy", so they expect a partition size that can store the full ROM after unzipping, so the chunk remaining for the cache partition and the user data partition is sometimes barely enough. as a result, some Android ROMs now require an sd card partitioning (see next point) so that they can store part of the ROM in the NAND and the rest of it on the "sd-ext" partition (usually an ext3 or ext4 partition, among others).
2. SD Card partitioning - done via a desktop tool (like "minitool") or via CWM's menu options. the desktop tool will obviously give you a lot more flexibility when performing the partitioning but some ROMs seem to work best if your card is partitioned via CWM's menus. keep in mind that CWM will remove your existing FAT32 partition (so backup the data on the FAT32 partition!!!), then it will create all the partitions (including the FAT32 one) from scratch. typical partitioning is FAT32+1GB ext3 or FAT32+1GB ext4 or FAT32+1GB ext3+128MB linux swap, and so on...
7) which one is better magldr or clk? What are the differences?
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neither...you can search for a detailed comparison between the two. to summarize:
MAGLDR pros: supports WP7, dual booting (between NAND and sd card), detailed NAND partitioning, tetris!
MAGLDR cons: doesn't support PPP (a way to access your mobile network's data connection). only RMNET is supported (RMNET is another way to access the data connection, but slower than PPP). doesn't allow charging the device if completely powered OFF...need the WP7 or Android OS to boot up before it can charge the battery. finally, has an "ugly" screen that appears between the splashscreens on boot up.
CLK pros: supports PPP, allows charging the device when OFF, and doesn't interrupt the splashscreens on boot up.
CLK cons: works only to boot an Android ROM, cannot use CLK to boot WP7 or to dual boot. CLK is not 100% supported on some ROMs. most ROMs these days are "dual" but the experience may be less/more stable on the CLK version of the same ROM.
i believe neither MAGLDR nor CLK can pick the WIFI and Bluetooth MAC addresses from the NV-RAM of the device. the only mechanism i know to achieve this is to boot an sd card Android from within WM6.5...or to use an sd card Android whose kernel supports custom specification of MAC addresses from a config file on the sd card.
most Android kernels these days "generate" a unique WIFI MAC address and Bluetooth MAC address so that no two HD2s running these ROMs will have the same MAC address.
i'm not sure how the WP7 ROMs solve this problem...maybe Android is the only OS for the HD2 that has to "generate" MAC addresses.
Pls help me...
Thankz in advance .
send from my hd2 @ miui 1.12.2
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fantastic! haha. well done. indepth as well sir

Yap, i got the points. But dudes i am a previous owner of wildfire. So i know some of the things already. Such as sd partitioning. Tweeking using scripts etc. But i am new to nand partitioning. Is it like the one we do for wildfire ( allocating extra unused memory from rom partition to user partition so that user need not to move that much apps to sd. And ofcourse it will give u upto 150mb extra memory for user data).
I am not asking about root. Itz chroot. Its the linux command from terminal to mound other linux os like backtrack etc. If it qorks, where can i find such an os?
Also about tweeks. It not the app or wallpaper stuff. Itz advanced user tweeks like installing bravia engine, beatz audio,kernal, rom, ram tweekz etc..
Also i want to know if i can get a custom cwm recovery which is highwr than 3.xxx, man wildfire is now reaching cwm 5+. Then why r we still in 3. Also my cwm dont wipes my battery log. What my be the prblm? I have cwm 3.xx( the latest offered by rommanager.
send from my hd2 @ miui 1.12.2

[Q] Tango SD-Rom for testing

Hi,
I am using my HD2 with dorimanx´s android Rom and I am happy with my running system but I really want to test Tango (or Mango) booting from SD.
Is there any one you can recomment me ....
usually I read about it and test ..... but I just want to give it a try.... and dont want to touch my running system ...so far.
Thanks for your help.

WP7 cant boot from SD.... must be flashed to NAND...

dxdy said:
WP7 cant boot from SD.... must be flashed to NAND...
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dxdy said it. Any Windows Phone build must be installed and run from the NAND memory. So you could backup your Android system (with NANDroid), backup SD-card, and install WP the way you'd normally do it. You'd always have your Android build backed up and packed away. It's easy to restore it, if you don't like WP.
Other than that, the only way to dualboot the two systems is with SD Android and some special SD-partitions, as far as my knowledge goes to.