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So Gingerbread (2.3) is here and I wanted to be the first nagging user to ask when we are going to see the port for the Aria?
No asking for ETAs...IOW, whenever they damn well please.
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Gingerbread may be out but the source isn't so no gingerbread for you.
Good things come to those who wait just like grandma's inheritance, uh, I mean cookies.
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Good news most def.
I think Gingerbread has limitations as far as the proc goes. I think it requires a minimum of 1ghz. I could be wrong tho.
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jbizz said:
I think Gingerbread has limitations as far as the proc goes. I think it requires a minimum of 1ghz. I could be wrong tho.
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This was a rumor a few months ago that was pretty much shot down. If you need proof, look at the G2. There's no way they would release it with an 800mhz processor if Gingerbread required 1ghz.
Yeah, you can't limit an OS because of processor clock cycle. Clock cycles in these days isn't as important as it used to be. We are in the new age of multi-core and instruction sets for optimization. Hell, look at the G1, it's running Froyo - now that's impressive!
Don't know if you guys saw this or not( http://www.xda-developers.com/android/breaking-news-gingerbread-2-3-running-on-droid-eris/ ), but punk.kaos got Gingerbread kinda working on the Eris. In terms of power the Eris is sort of a bottom feeder so if it can run on the Eris it definitely can run on the Aria. But we will have to be patient, unless someone knows how to port the source to the Aria. I am loving 6.1 right now, so I can wait for Gingerbread at the moment.
A guy got a hacked port to boot on his HTC Wildfire which is slower than the aria. No this does not mean a port will come to the aria yet.
ls377 said:
This was a rumor a few months ago that was pretty much shot down. If you need proof, look at the G2. There's no way they would release it with an 800mhz processor if Gingerbread required 1ghz.
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It was also assumed by many that Android 3.0 would be Gingerbread. Instead, Gingerbread is 2.3.
With 3.0, there are rumors of higher end graphics and processor requirements.
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Yeah, you can't limit an OS because of processor clock cycle. Clock cycles in these days isn't as important as it used to be. We are in the new age of multi-core and instruction sets for optimization. Hell, look at the G1, it's running Froyo - now that's impressive!
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True. It looks like Liberty/Slide/Legend will be included when CM goes to Android 2.3.
I am not sure about 3.0 though, if it's going to be targeted exclusively at larger, more powerful, higher resolution devices. Time will tell how successfully that stuff will be supported on MDPI devices it's not intended for with 1 1/2 gen processors, even with decent GPUs.
Gingerbread's already ported to Wildfire, which only has around 528 mhz. So we might get it. if someone works on it.
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Gingerbread's already ported to Wildfire, which only has around 528 mhz. So we might get it. if someone works on it.
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Trust me, it will be worked on once we get a source drop for an actual device (N1, NS)
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Trust me, it will be worked on once we get a source drop for an actual device (N1, NS)
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you haven't disappointed us thus far attn1!
keep up the good work
Hey attn1, a dev at Google tweeted on LG's page that a 1ghz processor wasnt required for gingerbread, just thought I should let you know xD
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Plasmamuffins said:
Hey attn1, a dev at Google tweeted on LG's page that a 1ghz processor wasnt required for gingerbread, just thought I should let you know xD
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That's good news! No one knew until now!
Currently the Gingerbread ports are messy patches to the emulator system.img which happens to be for qualcomm/snapdragon type chips.
Just be patient and wait for source, anything we get before then will be hella slow and missing functionality.
Seeing as the Gratia launched with Froyo it woudln't suprise me if we get official Gingerbread at some point.
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Currently the Gingerbread ports are messy patches to the emulator system.img which happens to be for qualcomm/snapdragon type chips.
Just be patient and wait for source, anything we get before then will be hella slow and missing functionality.
Seeing as the Gratia launched with Froyo it woudln't suprise me if we get official Gingerbread at some point.
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I know I'm not going to hold my breath for an official release. Based on what I've been reading on several forums, there have been rumblings that the Aria might not see an official 2.2 (Which quite frankly I had already given up hope on).
Who knows though, perhaps AT&T and HTC decided that since it's deployment on 2.2 was so late, that they would wait until 2.3... or 2.4... 5, or 6.
Either way, thanks for everything devs, CM and Liberated are both great Froyo ROMs, and I've used both without a hitch.
I think 2.3 will come to Aria (in CM), but I will wait at least N1 got updated. (Propably N1 won't got official update for marketing issue)
Don't trust rumors about the 1GHz bla bla bla, if Gingerbread is not 3D based and lots of effects and still require 1GHz to run smoothly, I believe it's a buggy OS (based on the NS, it's just like an big update for Froyo).
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I think 2.3 will come to Aria (in CM), but I will wait at least N1 got updated. (Propably N1 won't got official update for marketing issue)
Don't trust rumors about the 1GHz bla bla bla, if Gingerbread is not 3D based and lots of effects and still require 1GHz to run smoothly, I believe it's a buggy OS (based on the NS, it's just like an big update for Froyo).
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Google has already pledged that Nexus One will get Gingerbread, so no issue there.
HTC said back in the beginning of the year that any device launched in 2010 will get upgraded to Froyo, so that includes the AT&T Aria, so we'll definitely get official Froyo for that.
Whether the AT&T Aria will get Gingerbread officially is up in the air, but I'm all but certain that the Gratia will, given that it just launched with 2.2.
The Motorola Droid Bionic has been rumored to run Honeycomb 3.0 and from everything that I can tell the Bionic has the same screen dimensions as the Evo, 4.3inch screen. So is there any possibility that the Evo could get Honeycomb?
Engadget Droid Bionic Hands on:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/motorola-droid-bionic-hands-on/
PPCGeeks:
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2011/01/11/...nning-android-3-0-from-our-tipster-honeycomb/
From what I've seen, Honeycomb requires a dual core processor and is currently being geared mainly towards tablets. Since we have yet to see a Gingerbread update, I would venture to say by the time Honeycomb hits, Sprint will already have an EVO successor.
Honeycomb does not require a dual core. The bionic does not run honeycomb, it runs froyo. There's very little hope of honeycomb officially landing on the EVO. Expect to flash a custom rom if you want it.
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Honeycomb does not require a dual core. The bionic does not run honeycomb, it runs froyo. There's very little hope of honeycomb officially landing on the EVO. Expect to flash a custom rom if you want it.
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From what I was reading there is a rumor that the Bionic will have 3.0.
Ill take flashing a rom thats how we get everything else thats cool
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Honeycomb does not require a dual core. The bionic does not run honeycomb, it runs froyo. There's very little hope of honeycomb officially landing on the EVO. Expect to flash a custom rom if you want it.
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Well from what I was seeing at CES was the Bionic was running 2.3 Gingerbread. I saw that with my own eyes. "Honeycomb" does not have a minimum requirement according to everyone here, but they are also saying it's designed for "tablets" they are not mentioning phones.
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Well from what I was seeing at CES was the Bionic was running 2.3 Gingerbread. I saw that with my own eyes. "Honeycomb" does not have a minimum requirement according to everyone here, but they are also saying it's designed for "tablets" they are not mentioning phones.
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You saw wrong. It ships with 2.2.
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You saw wrong. It ships with 2.2.
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+1....it has 2.2
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Well from what I was seeing at CES was the Bionic was running 2.3 Gingerbread. I saw that with my own eyes. "Honeycomb" does not have a minimum requirement according to everyone here, but they are also saying it's designed for "tablets" they are not mentioning phones.
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I've heard that honeycomb was designed for tablets but will also be put on phones
Guys...come on, we should all know by now that Google is sneaky and we won't know anything until its actually on hardware in public hands, and after that we are at the mercy of Sprint(for anything official). Sure we will get it, but most likely only from our great devs here. For now I am more than happy with froyo(warm RLS5) and will be upgrading as soon as sprint has a dual core handset, but defiantly keeping my Evo to play with!
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Well what about ice cream 2.4 on slate for summer
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Well what about ice cream 2.4 on slate for summer
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If you are talking about the SE phone that had it on there then... "On the software front, that random sighting of an Arc with Android 2.4 has been put down as a simple "misconfiguration" by Sony Ericsson" - source. Though I would take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah i'm seeing that on numerous sites. I guess it's even more funny the device I got my hands on at CES was using 2.3. I checked the software version within the settings. So don't be rude, because you obviously didn't attend CES.
http://www.examiner.com/smartphones-in-charlotte/motorola-droid-bionic-4g-impresses-at-2011-ces
He was at CES as well, and said it was running 2.3. So i'm not the only one.
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You saw wrong. It ships with 2.2.
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http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
try and get as many people as you can too do the same. It will make a difference.
I'd wait until ICS is released. As things stand today, Atrix has the latest Android version available.
Yes that is correct how ever the atrix 2 is not a good sign for us. And it is a good idea too voice our oppinion before they stop supporting our phone if we do after really wouldnt have the same effect in my oppinion
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Yes that is correct how ever the atrix 2 is not a good sign for us. And it is a good idea too voice our oppinion before they stop supporting our phone if we do after really wouldnt have the same effect in my oppinion
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Yeah but the atrix 2 is a stepdown compared to atrix 1!
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I'd wait until ICS is released. As things stand today, Atrix has the latest Android version available.
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It's running 2.3.7? Thats news to me, also have people not seen the leaked videos? It appears to have all on screen buttons. Like honeycomb. Not sure it would work on the atrix. The screen is already small enough
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The Atrix is really close to being officially supported by CM. Once ICS is released and the CM team makes their latest version (will be CM9) it will have ICS and will work with with the Atrix.
re: official CYyanogen support, do you know this officially or are you speculating?
not being rude, genuinely want to know
I have no doubt that the Atrix "could" handle ICS.
The Nexus S is rumored to get ICS, and that phone has half the muscle of the Atrix...
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.... i don't see what the idea of potentially spamming their facebook page will do (Didn't actually go to their facebook page... just read that's where your link was going to redirect). The phone is only 7 months old.... i'm fairly certain they're WELL AWARE that we want ICS. I mean wtf... look how much flak they got from every moron in the world when the Atrix was still running Froyo.
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.... i don't see what the idea of potentially spamming their facebook page will do (Didn't actually go to their facebook page... just read that's where your link was going to redirect). The phone is only 7 months old.... i'm fairly certain they're WELL AWARE that we want ICS. I mean wtf... look how much flak they got from every moron in the world when the Atrix was still running Froyo.
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They got tons of flak for promising gingerbread for the Motorola Milestone (gsm version of OG Droid) and then saying nevermind. Mind you, this was merely 1 year after the milestone came out as well. Gingerbread for the Atrix was inevitable. Not giving the Atrix gingerbread would be a PR disaster. What people fail to realise about a CM port of ICS to the Atrix is that if Moto decides to EOL the Atrix after only a year with no ICS upgrade, you lose out on updated drivers, kernel, and baseband. Sure we'd have ICS, but it won't run as well as a phone that natively has ICS.
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They got tons of flak for promising gingerbread for the Motorola Milestone (gsm version of OG Droid) and then saying nevermind. Mind you, this was merely 1 year after the milestone came out as well. Gingerbread for the Atrix was inevitable. Not giving the Atrix gingerbread would be a PR disaster. What people fail to realise about a CM port of ICS to the Atrix is that if Moto decides to EOL the Atrix after only a year with no ICS upgrade, you lose out on updated drivers, kernel, and baseband. Sure we'd have ICS, but it won't run as well as a phone that natively has ICS.
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You mean Froyo for the Milestone. They had to release it since they advertised flash on the box.
However the Froyo update basically killed the Milestone. Even Motorola put out a disclaimer that basically said the upgrade may cause performance issues.
The memory on the Milestone was perfect for eclair, but Froyo gave it a brain freeze...
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I have no doubt that the Atrix "could" handle ICS.
The Nexus S is rumored to get ICS, and that phone has half the muscle of the Atrix...
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Half the muscle? The humming bird chipset is far superior than the tegra. Just not clocked as fast. And the exynos chipset blows the tegra 2 out of the water.
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Half the muscle? The humming bird chipset is far superior than the tegra. Just not clocked as fast. And the exynos chipset blows the tegra 2 out of the water.
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Still the Atrix has the extra core which is supposed to be optimized in ICS, plus double the ram over the Nexus S...
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I was not implying spamm there pages i meant voice our oppinion let moto know theres alot of people who like this device and we want them to continue its support. And if they do that would really be. In there favor id most likely choise moto for my next device
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You mean Froyo for the Milestone. They had to release it since they advertised flash on the box.
However the Froyo update basically killed the Milestone. Even Motorola put out a disclaimer that basically said the upgrade may cause performance issues.
The memory on the Milestone was perfect for eclair, but Froyo gave it a brain freeze...
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Not so much
Froyo runs great on my Milestone, I heard GB makes it very sluggish
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Not so much
Froyo runs great on my Milestone, I heard GB makes it very sluggish
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Froyo was the reason why I sold my Milestone. Eclair was smoothly, and for whatever reason I could never flash back to Eclair. Every time I tried going back, I got forced closed errors everywhere.
If the Milestone had 512mb of ram, I probably would still be using it since I really liked the build quality of that phone...
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I guess Milestones handled the OS differently than other
Guys. The atrix is getting ICS.
Chill
god if ics is any better than the ics launcher in the market ill bee in heaven
cause this launcher is sweet
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http://briefmobile.com/cyanogenmod-9-construction-under-way
Can't wait to see how well the atrix handles it!
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I can't wait!
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BUT is it for the Atrix? I havnt seen a offical Cynogen Mod for the ATrix yet
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BUT is it for the Atrix? I havnt seen a offical Cynogen Mod for the ATrix yet
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The Atrix is officially supported, in nightly builds. Stable build hasn't been accomplished yet.
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The Atrix is officially supported, in nightly builds. Stable build hasn't been accomplished yet.
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OSNPA, how is the boiled denim business treating you? also I wanna ride in your car and listen to Raise Your Weapon, I know it's really old but I still HAVE to hear it everyday lol.
Sorry to change the subject, well, really I'm not there are like 10 of these threads.
http://source.android.com/source/building-devices.html
Starting with IceCreamSandwich, the Android Open-Source Project can't be used from pure source code only, and requires additional hardware-related proprietary libraries to run, specifically for hardware graphics acceleration.
Official binaries for Nexus S, Nexus S 4G, Galaxy Nexus, and PandaBoard can be downloaded from Google's Nexus driver page, which add access to additional hardware capabilities with non-Open-Source code.
There are no official binaries for Nexus One, ADP2 or ADP1.
So, unless there's an official ICS release for the Atrix, it looks like we may be missing out on the default hardware acceleration. Thank god my upgrade comes up in Feb so I can get off this device and onto a Nexus device.
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OSNPA, how is the boiled denim business treating you? also I wanna ride in your car and listen to Raise Your Weapon, I know it's really old but I still HAVE to hear it everyday lol.
Sorry to change the subject, well, really I'm not there are like 10 of these threads.
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haha...the car hasn't made much progress, we spent a lot of time getting our house on the market and are looking to buy, so all of my free time has been for 'family and home stuff' Someday...
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http://source.android.com/source/building-devices.html
Starting with IceCreamSandwich, the Android Open-Source Project can't be used from pure source code only, and requires additional hardware-related proprietary libraries to run, specifically for hardware graphics acceleration.
Official binaries for Nexus S, Nexus S 4G, Galaxy Nexus, and PandaBoard can be downloaded from Google's Nexus driver page, which add access to additional hardware capabilities with non-Open-Source code.
There are no official binaries for Nexus One, ADP2 or ADP1.
So, unless there's an official ICS release for the Atrix, it looks like we may be missing out on the default hardware acceleration. Thank god my upgrade comes up in Feb so I can get off this device and onto a Nexus device.
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That sucks. Definitely going for the Galaxy Nexus when I can as well.
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That sucks. Definitely going for the Galaxy Nexus when I can as well.
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thats just another way of saying they dont support gfx drivers in the stock AOSP for other devices - nvidia still provides those for the tegra2, so it should sitll be possible to get hw acceleration on the atrix
its a shame that so many are forced to ditch perfectly capable hardware, simply because of software limitations. that is my initial reaction to the news in this thread.
Additionally, considering the new system for hardware acceleration, how could google release binaries for anything except their AOSP devices? Binaries for Tegra, or any other chipset manufacturer, will have to be made in conjunction with the manufacturer.
Not exactly good news for the Tegra; a very capable, very abandoned, hardware platform. Really didn't want to declare this device dead before its time as I've followed the Tegra since its earliest concepts. If the tegra doesn't get ICS i don't see how it the Kal El will even make a splash.
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its a shame that so many are forced to ditch perfectly capable hardware, simply because of software limitations. that is my initial reaction to the news in this thread.
Additionally, considering the new system for hardware acceleration, how could google release binaries for anything except their AOSP devices? Binaries for Tegra, or any other chipset manufacturer, will have to be made in conjunction with the manufacturer.
Not exactly good news for the Tegra; a very capable, very abandoned, hardware platform. Really didn't want to declare this device dead before its time as I've followed the Tegra since its earliest concepts. If the tegra doesn't get ICS i don't see how it the Kal El will even make a splash.
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Motorola announced ICS is coming to the Xoom which is a tegra device
Tegra will get ICS from the LG 2X and we'll probably get a port from there. That's the least of the worries.
Many additional drivers will also be needed such as GPS, FP, possibly Bluetooth and wifi...etc
Plus, no official release will, if true, means many bugs and hiccups. That's what I've been saying all along here in the ICS jerking threads.
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Motorola announced ICS is coming to the Xoom which is a tegra device
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Xoom uses a different Tegra 2 SoC than the Atrix. Our best chances come from G2X, Photon, and Droid 2X. Xoom uses Tegra 250 T20 whereas smartphones use Tegra 250 AP20H. Even then, it's going to be a hack-up job since they aren't the same devices. It will definitely not run as well as if we had an official ICS release.
EDIT: The reason why is that the driver + proprietary libraries needed for hardware acceleration are built for a specific kernel. We don't share kernels with those devices regardless of how similar the devices are. They'd have to compare the 2 different kernels (a 2.3.4 vs a 4.0.1 mind you) and try and merge in the differences necessary to get hardware acceleration working. All in all, it will be the Atrix running on a hacked up gingerbread kernel and drivers trying to run ICS.
Actually, they should be able to hack together and compile a ICS kernel with a mix of GB and ICS drivers. I've done it before for GB on the HTC aria.
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Actually, they should be able to hack together and compile a ICS kernel with a mix of GB and ICS drivers. I've done it before for GB on the HTC aria.
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I did say that. But the problem is that it just that, a hacked together kernel and gpu driver. radio, wifi, bluetooth, etc. will still be on GB drivers. It would never run as well as if we had native ICS drivers and kernel.
How bout we just wait and find out?
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How bout we just wait and find out?
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exactly, that's what we need.
optimism. it might look foolish to some but I really wish no one tries to undermine the atrix 4g community or any other phone community from trying to get ics.
i understand the truth due to the reasoning and it might look like a long shot but it doesn't hurt to stay optimistic.
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exactly, that's what we need.
optimism. it might look foolish to some but I really wish no one tries to undermine the atrix 4g community or any other phone community from trying to get ics.
i understand the truth due to the reasoning and it might look like a long shot but it doesn't hurt to stay optimistic.
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I could care less at this point. I'm getting a SGN the second my upgrade comes up in February. CM9 would only be at nightlies/alphas at that point and there's no chance that the Atrix would have ICS by february to help CM9 for the Atrix along.
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I could care less at this point. I'm getting a SGN the second my upgrade comes up in February. CM9 would only be at nightlies/alphas at that point and there's no chance that the Atrix would have ICS by february to help CM9 for the Atrix along.
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You must know all this since you know the future huh?
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there will be a Miui android 4.0 rom for android tablets?
A few people i know are getting tired of the same ui from Tw, sense, and even vanilla honeycomb, and i personally agree with them, that it would be nice for a ui change
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there will be a Miui android 4.0 rom for android tablets?
A few people i know are getting tired of the same ui from Tw, sense, and even vanilla honeycomb, and i personally agree with them, that it would be nice for a ui change
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I'll work on it. I just finally got the epic 4gs miui.us into an official state, so I'll work on this too. Once there's a tablet that has miui.us ics I'll get it on ours. If a tegra 2 tablet gets it, it'll be a piece of cake.
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I'll work on it. I just finally got the epic 4gs miui.us into an official state, so I'll work on this too. Once there's a tablet that has miui.us ics I'll get it on ours. If a tegra 2 tablet gets it, it'll be a piece of cake.
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Since 4.0 is the "universal android" there should be no need to wait for a tablet port, it should be possible just like porting older miui versions, with the cm9 kernel, libs, etc, although picking a native miui 4.0 device with the most hardware in common would be most beneficial.
Miui in galaxy tab would be really cool.
I havent flashed any roms on my tab yet, but this could be the one rom that makes me want to do it.
It should be somewhat easier now with miui being open source.
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It should be somewhat easier now with miui being open source.
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Its not really open source yet. There's nothing we didn't have before. They just decompiled a few apks which people can do easily. For now, idk what tegra files do what since I'm used to powervr so I may need to wait for a Xoom or tegra device to get miuiics first.