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Hi all mates!
I'd like to open a thread to discuss about this piece of software!
I have to buy one among tomtom3, destinator 3 and Navigator 4 so I think it's good to open this thread to share any comments and infos and any other thoughts concerning theese sat-nav programs!
Cya!!!
Forget Destinator for a start. We have a review of the previous version of Navigon here and TomTom3 here.
I have myself check out different navigation systems and have concluded that Navigon Mobile Navigator 4 is the most sophisticated one. But I must concede, it is expensive, they had delays in bringing the software to market, they have already made an upgrade available (presumably there were issues with the new software), and they have not managed to put the demo on their website for about the last 3 months. In addition, I have not heared about bluetooth receiver compatibility. It seems that not everything is going smoothly. By the way, the company producing this software was just taken over.
There is also a POI handler available (in English) at: http://www.navigating.de
Check out this German site for a review (in German): http://www.pocket.at/navigation/navivergleich.htm
But I still believe it is the most sophisticated navigation system available for PPC, I am just wondering whether something simpler would do for me. :roll:
Forget Destinator for a start.
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Why? I have read some review of destinator and it seems as simpler as Tom Tom!
I have not heared about bluetooth receiver compatibility. It seems that not everything is going smoothly. By the way, the company producing this software was just taken over.
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I planned to buy the Fortuna clip-on gps bluetooth: so do u think with navigon it's not compatible?
Btw, i can purchase the navigon bundle with his bluetooth + Tmc receiver!
Any other thoughts?
Thx u all!
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Why? I have read some review of destinator and it seems as simpler as Tom Tom!
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Destinator has a great deal of issues and it's latest version is no match for any of your other options, Consider CoPilot, TomTom or Navigon as your top three choices. Others worth considering are Deluo Routis, also sold as Socket MyNavigator and Intellinav amongst others.
I have found that navigon doesn't support custom POIs! is that right?
Another thing: a little very pleased feature in destinator is the possibility to read the phone number of certain POI like restaurant, bar, ecc; so the question is: has any of the other competitors the ability to do this?
I believe that with the POI handler Navigon does support custom POIs. Check the link I indicated above, it is in English.
Ok, that's right for the POIs, but for what concern telephone number?
Does anyone knows something?
no one?
I am currently using the Navigon older software 1.5 which also has RDS-TMC together with my MDAII .The TMC function is really useful and works in Germany, Belgium , UK - all these countries I have personally tested and have been rerouted and saved several times. The POI included in Navigon also work well some are already allocated but you can download more also some from POI handler and you this service you have to pay a yearly fee. ( for speed camera etc)
The advantages of Navigon are that you get the whole of Europe and the TMC function and no other extra costs except upgrades. Up to now I am very happy especially now since I also have a official carkit for the MDA II. I laugh at all my friends with thier expensive navi systems in their cars. Navigon , Tom tom etc are really not expensive if you compare them with car built in systems
I looked at Tom Tom but found the maps more clearer ( for myself ) Tom Tom uses teleAlas while the Navigon uses Navitech . The older software Navigon did not show your speed but the new one Navigon 4 does. Tom Tom also does have TMC but this needs to be downloaded via GPRS and adds to the cost.
Today ( WooHoo !!! ) I have recieved my software & hardware upgrade to Navigon|4 and as I am travelling these weeks and I will install it in the next few weeks.
I only opted for the upgrade as I can now use the bluetooth GPS reciever when I go cycling or walking.
Funny, when I was making my choice it was between Alturion & Navigon. I chose Navigon as all the right hardware was ready for The MDA II. I have never regreted buying navi software.
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Thx rafiki, and remember: I'd like to read here ur thoughts about this navi software! Of course, take it easy, do it when u can! I'll appreciate it very much!
Any news about extracting\reading phone numbers and any other type of infos from the electronic maps? :?:
WooHoo !!!! :lol:
A really good piece of software! I installed the navigon 4 yesterday and used all day today. Boy am i happy.
I got:-
Bluetooth ( modular with TMC)
I can see my Speed, atlitude, got a compass , est time of arrival , duration, inclication of road,
3D or bird eye view
perfect sound with my MDA II carkit with mute ( on software)
Adjustable volume
I can type in destinations or touch on the map via touch screen
I van also use voice command for stored destinations
All in all I am very happy!!!!!!
By the way any one know how I can see which version of windows I have on My MDAII ? Pocket PC 2002 or mobile 2003 ? :?:
Thx Rafiki!!!
I think i'm gonna buy this software!
@ Jag!
Forgot to mention I work for an Italian Company! :lol:
Navigon comes in standard in 7 languages.
Here is a hand book you can download from Navigon in 7 languages.
http://www.navigon.de/downloads/consumer_products/Short_Manual_7_languages.pdf
also if you visit the site there is a lot of info in English , including screen shots. You can also order via the site.
good luck
Rafiki
Rafiki wrote:
By the way any one know how I can see which version of windows I have on My MDA II ? Pocket PC 2002 or mobile 2003 ?
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The XDA II/MDA II/QTEK 2020/imate all come with Windows Mobile 2003 - PPC2002 is not available for this platform.
@ BRosenow
Thanks mate! :lol:
Now I know which upgrade I need for my navi to make it Navigon 4.01
Regards
Rafiki
TY Rafiki!
Bye!!
I ordered my upgdrade through the tomtom website on the 17th June and according to the website it's still stuffed in their warehouse.
For me it took about one week.
- Orderd on 01.06.2005
- Packaging Notification on 08.06.2005
- Delivered to me on 10.06.2005
Stefan
German efficiency!! It's famous world over!
I think you're in for a big disapointment...
I tried tomtom5, and went back to 3...
seanrkelly said:
German efficiency!! It's famous world over!
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Maybe, but it was delivered from the netherlands.... ;-)
I´ve had TomTom Version 2 before, and i found the new version really good.....
Stefan
Disapointment?
macsoft, i think you have not tried the TOMTOM 5 correctly. I'm a TOMTOM user as i am a Copilot user. I can say to you that your disapointment coul be by:
1. It´s instable at the moment
2. The Portuguese Maps are not so good as Copilot (TeleAtlas from TomTom versus NAVETEK q3 2004 from Copilot). The version 5 from TOMTOM maps are very accurate in big cities and nearby them in Portugal, but in other regions not so good, instead of CoPilot that almost all the Portuguese roads are there (some of them with no name but they are there to navigate...)
3. It doen´t permit you make a waypoint when you are in an area not coverd by map cartography.
4. It not possible to put a destination by geographical coordenates (latitud and longitud).
The other way, excelent 3d Navigation(by far the BEST) excelent and quickly route calculation,and plenty of otpions. I´ve heard that TOMTOM are going to use NAVETEK maps. If so, as NAVETEK maps are the most complete for Portugal by far at the moment, it will be the best navigation software for pocket PC.
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Having tried TomTom 7, Copilot and the "try before buy" Navigon; I found all to be wanting in some way. I have not tried: Garmin XT is fixed to a SD card - I don't want to swop cards; IGO 8 looks good but seems to require lots of fixes.
Is there a GPS application (not google or similar online app) that just works from the box or cab ?
I like the google app but I don't like the high data rates which could get expensive when I'm roaming.
I just want a GPS app that has its own maps on my SD card (16 gbyte card so loads of space available). Does this really exist ?
When I check the official GPS provider sites (e.g., TomTom and Copilot) then they say their product is not compatible with the HTC HD - I guess that explains all the various hoops people have to jump through to get an app working.
I suspect I have to wait until spring next year for the app companies to provide a working HD compatible version ? Or, does anyone know better ??
Thanks & holiday greetings to all, Dave.
You can't compare Google Maps with a navigation solution like TomTom, IGo or Navigon. Google Maps is just showing the area around your current position, whereas the other programs can navigate you through the country.
As far as I know TomTom works just without any work, all others need to be configurated. How to do that is mentioned in the various threads here, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
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the other programs can navigate you through the country.
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Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)
Well I can use google to navigate as it has a "show directions" option. I know it is not as sophisticated as the other GPS apps.
My problem with google is it needs a data link which gets expensive when I'm out of my home country (hence need often a GPS) because I have to make a gprs link to have google working.
TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
Thanks anyway for answering.
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Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)
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I never heard Google Maps talking to me something like "in 400 metres turn left". Maybe I missed something .
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TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
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Then you will have to try get IGo8 or Navigon working.
Here is a new app - anyone use this successfully on the HD ?
http://directions.ltd.uk/pda-navigation/pocket-navigator-8-europe
Does CoPilot work on the HD?
I've got Version 6 currently on my XDA Orbit & was thinking of upgrading
Garmin Mobile XT works great on my HD
Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.
I also gave Garmin XT a try.
One problem though, up until now, i am feeling that there is Lag or the cpu is not following up too fast to show changes, so if i am making a turn in a roundabout, you can see a strange thing happen on the screen.
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Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.
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Thanks davast. I actually got a copy of CoPilot which was sold to me as CoPilot7 for windows mobile. It turned out to be the specific version for the HTC Diamond.
I think I will wait for the new version and double check this time that the supplier knows what they are doing.
Regards, D.
What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95
I'm going to try a new one when I get a minute, beta atm but works on my hacked Hermes to wm6.1 and is nice
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What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95
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Hi Gulioth, I received version 7 "for the HTC Diamond" which will only load to the internal storage of the Diamond - hence, I returned it as this would not work on the HD.
I don't know the specific current version other than "7". If you have CoPilot Central then you should be able to find it. Unfortunately with the Diamond version there also is no copy of the CoPilot Central.
I have returned the Diamond version and I'm sitting waiting for someone (PLEASE !!) to make a legally correct version work.
If you check here: http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/compatibility.asp you can see that ALK says the HD is not yet compatible.
I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.
Thanks - that's a new one to me - I will investigate "on course navigation"
Ciao, Dave
Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me
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I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.
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Hmmm - this seems to be only USA & Canada according to their site:
Map Coverage USA and Canada.
The latest maps and up-to-date points of interest for United States. Full road coverage with over 10 443 000 kilometers of updated roads, and over 12.3 millions points of interest. Includes maps of Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.
http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/ocn8_intro.aspx
I did not specify in my original question that I'm based in Europe.
I'm looking for a legally correct GPS application that works "out-of-the box" or direct from the cab without having to tweak xml files or anything else and which is recognised by the software provider as compatible and acceptable. TomTom and CoPilot do not yet list the HD as a compatible device. I also don't want a software that is linked to one micro SD card (like Garmin XT).
I believe that CoPilot will be the right choice when it is HD compatible. I like also TomTom but it seems so difficult to make it work - there are many threads here about the tricks needed to make maps work. I do have TomTom running but only with the sample map. Trying to get TomTom home to accept the HD and legally download new Maps does not seem legally correct now - maybe next year ...
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Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me
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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.
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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.
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WOW - this seems to be a first, a GPS app that claims the HTC HD is compatible:
http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723
TomTom has been posted on the forums for years now. This is the latest version (specifically the VGA/WVGA version) that works with the Touch Pro 2. I have custom packaged it so that it will not mess up an existing Bluetooth stack, as well as removing the Today plugin (which I personally think is garbage).
If this package somehow violated the TOS of this site (I can't imagine how, a quick search produces multiple links on these forums), then I apologize. TomTom doesn't seem to make available/support the software for Windows Mobile PDAs on their Website (iPhone is there though, how odd). Their policy has always seemed to be the sale of maps, so I'm releasing these packages with that in mind.
Note: DO NOT ask me for maps. Do not ask any question about where to get them. Purchase v8 maps from TomTom. If you use software, support the developer (so they can keep their job and make better/new software) by actually PAYING for it. I know, its a novel concept.
Change Log
2009.09.24 All versions *.1
Updated Q-Mobile (Code) certificates to last until 2035.01.31.
Yes, I'm an idiot and the Q-Mobile certificates I created originally lasted 30 days. They won't expire again I promise
Updated CAB file installation to allow for Storage Card installation.
[*] TomTom Navigator 7.916.9189.1 QVGA on MegaUpload
[*] TomTom Navigator 7.916.9189.1 VGA/WGVA on MegaUpload
[*] TomTom Navigator 7.916.9189.1 QVGA on RapidShare
[*] TomTom Navigator 7.916.9189.1 VGA/WVGA on RapidShare
Enjoy!
great
great thanks been looking for a version that works on tp2 for ages now does this work with tomtom home?
just curious went to the tomtom site to purchase the maps for this app. options it gives me is for maps for touch pro but not touch pro 2 does it matter would it have mattered if i p icked anyone arnt the maps all the same?
No, the phone you have doesn't matter. You just have to make sure the maps you are using will work with the version of Navigator you are using.
so im guessing based on that version 7.9 the version 8 mapps will work. However on the site i go to maps for HTC touch pro and under US it only gives me brazil or mexico I cant seem to purchase v8 maps for US. It couldnt be that difficult could it? Also i installed the app from the post but at the end it tellsme the voice options are not avail- was that stripped from this version? So if i can get my hands on the maps will the voice options all return? by voice I mean the person giiving the directions you can pick from anyone and all say no avail to me
Thanks for posting that. I'm another who's been looking for a while to get this to work on my TP2. Tomtom say it won't work & is not compatible with the TP2 but I've just downloaded the one free area map they allow and it works well. All my customers over the next few days are within this map area so I'll be testing it heavily. If it passes that test, I'll pay for the European map from TomTom.
Thanks again.
curious do you need a data plan to use the gps function tomtom? I mean if i bought a tomtom i dont need a data plan so it seems it wouldnt need one on the phone either right since the gps is built in and you just need to capture the satellite signal?
thanks a lot!
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curious do you need a data plan to use the gps function tomtom? I mean if i bought a tomtom i dont need a data plan so it seems it wouldnt need one on the phone either right since the gps is built in and you just need to capture the satellite signal?
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For the moment you can receive GPS signals for free
The rapidshare link has exceeded the limit.
OK, I have bought TT7 on microSD - prefviously used on my Kaiser.
I have been trying to install on the TP2, but until now it always gave the 'This product is not compatible with your device' message.
I have copied the contents of the TT7 disc onto my 16gb MicroSD, then installed this cab over the top successfully.
I can now get into the application, but it will not accept the activation code - either that code that came with the TT7 disk, or the code from the maps I previously bought for TT6 (which I migrated to TT7 on the kaiser).
Any ideas? Has anyone successfully used their TP2 with TomTom Home to activate maps etc.?
When I try to link to TomTom Home it says I have an 'invalid version' - so can't transfer my subscriptions. This makes this pretty pointless - as I can't activate a map and can't use TomTom 7 at all.
Has anyone managed to use this successfully?
CoPilot is the way to go for GPS Navigation. I just purchased mine for under $40. I've been using TomTom for a couple years but for those of you interested in going the legit route. Copilot Live 8 should suffice.
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worked like a charm. good job
can someone repost the link or upload the file to 4shared or something?
Aziraphale_l said:
worked like a charm. good job
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How did you activate the maps?
just curious and this is a noob question. why would i need the data plan i presume for the maps or routing? when i open the tom tom it never gives me gps signal however if i connect to wifi within seconds i get gps signal? i cant seem to rout anywhere the maps all show blank until i connect to wifi?
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For the moment you can receive GPS signals for free
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Hey is the VGA version the same as they WVGA version?
TT7
OK, to make looong story, short........that was about 2-3 years ago i owned a Kaiser and then i had a Navigator 6. Therefore i had an account with TT. I tried iPhone, G1, MyTouch, then few days ago i got Rhodium, and now I needed my TT back. I found that link to d/l TT7, installed it, downloaded a free map, worked well. Then i downloaded a TomTomHome from TT website, after installation, it prompted me to get a newer version, so i did. Unfortunately, that new ver kept showing me that my ver of installed software is not a good version, and i couldn't do anything. I wasn't even able to link my Rhodium to my old account . So i have unistalled that new ver of TT Home, got the older version again from their website, when it prompted me again to get newer one, i just pressed "no". Then i bought new maps, downloaded it, created a new "yahoo" email address, created new account with TT, linked me new phone to the site, installed new maps, tested, works perfectly! It seems like big effort, but it was worthed to get new TT7 for only $69, wasn't it?
That way might not work for everyone, i just wanted to share with you guys, how i did it. The only pain in the ......., was that i had to wait close to 1 hour to get those maps d/l, and another 30 or so minutes to get it installed. But, what the hack................
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OK, to make looong story, short........that was about 2-3 years ago i owned a Kaiser and then i had a Navigator 6. Therefore i had an account with TT. I tried iPhone, G1, MyTouch, then few days ago i got Rhodium, and now I needed my TT back. I found that link to d/l TT7, installed it, downloaded a free map, worked well. Then i downloaded a TomTomHome from TT website, after installation, it prompted me to get a newer version, so i did. Unfortunately, that new ver kept showing me that my ver of installed software is not a good version, and i couldn't do anything. I wasn't even able to link my Rhodium to my old account . So i have unistalled that new ver of TT Home, got the older version again from their website, when it prompted me again to get newer one, i just pressed "no". Then i bought new maps, downloaded it, created a new "yahoo" email address, created new account with TT, linked me new phone to the site, installed new maps, tested, works perfectly! It seems like big effort, but it was worthed to get new TT7 for only $69, wasn't it?
That way might not work for everyone, i just wanted to share with you guys, how i did it. The only pain in the ......., was that i had to wait close to 1 hour to get those maps d/l, and another 30 or so minutes to get it installed. But, what the hack................
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Interesting - which version of TomTom Home are you using? Is it version 2? (I don't think version 1 even recognises TT7). You don't know anywhere I can download a previous version do you? Thanks - you've given me some hope!
I'm wondering if GPS applications work on WP7 - such as TomTom, Garmin or iGO8
Cheers
Mark
Whatdoyaknow said:
I'm wondering if GPS applications work on WP7 - such as TomTom, Garmin or iGO8
Cheers
Mark
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no, no and no
GPS does work, navigon works i hear, but none of the above have working programs.....yet, its quite eary still, but i get the impression the above are dragging their feet
As of today the only GPS solution for WP7 is Navigon Select. This is a very fine program with Navteq map data. Unfortunately the available WP7 version only supports european maps. If you happen to live on another continent you are out of luck currently. I guess with Ovi Maps coming soon to WP7 this will be adressed swiftly
Navigon Select is kind of a "limited function" release for T-Mobile customers.
There is a hacked/patched version in the world wide web (which is warez actually) that allows other users to use the solution, too. It is a pity in my opinion that offline navigation is so late on WP7, and the only "legally" available solution is limited to T-Mob customers only.
I am using Navigon since Symbian platform devices a couple of years back, later on Windows Mobile.
When I asked Navigon about a release date for the "full" WP7 version, they answered it would be coming this summer, not earlier.
well thats an improvment on tomtom and the rest of them with there blank - nothing to see here expressions