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Hi all mates!
I'd like to open a thread to discuss about this piece of software!
I have to buy one among tomtom3, destinator 3 and Navigator 4 so I think it's good to open this thread to share any comments and infos and any other thoughts concerning theese sat-nav programs!
Cya!!!
Forget Destinator for a start. We have a review of the previous version of Navigon here and TomTom3 here.
I have myself check out different navigation systems and have concluded that Navigon Mobile Navigator 4 is the most sophisticated one. But I must concede, it is expensive, they had delays in bringing the software to market, they have already made an upgrade available (presumably there were issues with the new software), and they have not managed to put the demo on their website for about the last 3 months. In addition, I have not heared about bluetooth receiver compatibility. It seems that not everything is going smoothly. By the way, the company producing this software was just taken over.
There is also a POI handler available (in English) at: http://www.navigating.de
Check out this German site for a review (in German): http://www.pocket.at/navigation/navivergleich.htm
But I still believe it is the most sophisticated navigation system available for PPC, I am just wondering whether something simpler would do for me. :roll:
Forget Destinator for a start.
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Why? I have read some review of destinator and it seems as simpler as Tom Tom!
I have not heared about bluetooth receiver compatibility. It seems that not everything is going smoothly. By the way, the company producing this software was just taken over.
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I planned to buy the Fortuna clip-on gps bluetooth: so do u think with navigon it's not compatible?
Btw, i can purchase the navigon bundle with his bluetooth + Tmc receiver!
Any other thoughts?
Thx u all!
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Forget Destinator for a start.
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Why? I have read some review of destinator and it seems as simpler as Tom Tom!
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Destinator has a great deal of issues and it's latest version is no match for any of your other options, Consider CoPilot, TomTom or Navigon as your top three choices. Others worth considering are Deluo Routis, also sold as Socket MyNavigator and Intellinav amongst others.
I have found that navigon doesn't support custom POIs! is that right?
Another thing: a little very pleased feature in destinator is the possibility to read the phone number of certain POI like restaurant, bar, ecc; so the question is: has any of the other competitors the ability to do this?
I believe that with the POI handler Navigon does support custom POIs. Check the link I indicated above, it is in English.
Ok, that's right for the POIs, but for what concern telephone number?
Does anyone knows something?
no one?
I am currently using the Navigon older software 1.5 which also has RDS-TMC together with my MDAII .The TMC function is really useful and works in Germany, Belgium , UK - all these countries I have personally tested and have been rerouted and saved several times. The POI included in Navigon also work well some are already allocated but you can download more also some from POI handler and you this service you have to pay a yearly fee. ( for speed camera etc)
The advantages of Navigon are that you get the whole of Europe and the TMC function and no other extra costs except upgrades. Up to now I am very happy especially now since I also have a official carkit for the MDA II. I laugh at all my friends with thier expensive navi systems in their cars. Navigon , Tom tom etc are really not expensive if you compare them with car built in systems
I looked at Tom Tom but found the maps more clearer ( for myself ) Tom Tom uses teleAlas while the Navigon uses Navitech . The older software Navigon did not show your speed but the new one Navigon 4 does. Tom Tom also does have TMC but this needs to be downloaded via GPRS and adds to the cost.
Today ( WooHoo !!! ) I have recieved my software & hardware upgrade to Navigon|4 and as I am travelling these weeks and I will install it in the next few weeks.
I only opted for the upgrade as I can now use the bluetooth GPS reciever when I go cycling or walking.
Funny, when I was making my choice it was between Alturion & Navigon. I chose Navigon as all the right hardware was ready for The MDA II. I have never regreted buying navi software.
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Thx rafiki, and remember: I'd like to read here ur thoughts about this navi software! Of course, take it easy, do it when u can! I'll appreciate it very much!
Any news about extracting\reading phone numbers and any other type of infos from the electronic maps? :?:
WooHoo !!!! :lol:
A really good piece of software! I installed the navigon 4 yesterday and used all day today. Boy am i happy.
I got:-
Bluetooth ( modular with TMC)
I can see my Speed, atlitude, got a compass , est time of arrival , duration, inclication of road,
3D or bird eye view
perfect sound with my MDA II carkit with mute ( on software)
Adjustable volume
I can type in destinations or touch on the map via touch screen
I van also use voice command for stored destinations
All in all I am very happy!!!!!!
By the way any one know how I can see which version of windows I have on My MDAII ? Pocket PC 2002 or mobile 2003 ? :?:
Thx Rafiki!!!
I think i'm gonna buy this software!
@ Jag!
Forgot to mention I work for an Italian Company! :lol:
Navigon comes in standard in 7 languages.
Here is a hand book you can download from Navigon in 7 languages.
http://www.navigon.de/downloads/consumer_products/Short_Manual_7_languages.pdf
also if you visit the site there is a lot of info in English , including screen shots. You can also order via the site.
good luck
Rafiki
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By the way any one know how I can see which version of windows I have on My MDA II ? Pocket PC 2002 or mobile 2003 ?
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The XDA II/MDA II/QTEK 2020/imate all come with Windows Mobile 2003 - PPC2002 is not available for this platform.
@ BRosenow
Thanks mate! :lol:
Now I know which upgrade I need for my navi to make it Navigon 4.01
Regards
Rafiki
TY Rafiki!
Bye!!
Ok, I am researching a way to bring an English or "Romanji" map with completly working GPS to my Hermes. I have looked hard all over the internet and GPS is kind of a new thing to me. So I have purchased a cool new Holux GPSlim 236 Bluetooth GPS Receiver(SiRF III) so, everyone has installed on their PocketPC MSN Search Live (really cool little google earth program). The problem is, is when you search in Japan, everything is all in Japanese-O characters. Now, there is nothing wrong with Japanese.... if you know Japanese.... but if you are a crazy Canadian who can not find his way and are really friggen busy to learn how to read and write in Hiragana and Katakana right now this is of no use to us. So I went searching. I think I have found the only available PPC map that is in English "Romaji" characters that us crazy "Gaijin" can read. Ok, so, the only available map that is in "Romaji" is located here. Upupdown Company http://uud.info/en/navi/ $100.00 created the only available Japan map in English that I have found BUT it is only a Garmin Mapsource compatible map so you also have to purchase the Garmin Mobile 10 https://my.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=138&pID=420 for $200.00 and it comes with a bluetooth receiver that looks really good, plus it lasts for 20 hour? (I have a hard time beleiving that, but thats what it says!) Anyways, I beleive if you have those two products then you can have a working English gps system on your hermes. Plus you have to download the fit4cat Hermes Tweaker and enable your phone to have gps in the first place.. and voila....
K... this is why I have written this message.. this way is expensive... does anyone know of a cheaper way to do this?? I just do not want to learn Japanese-O right now.....
-TokyoJoe
Garmin Mobile 10 Won't work on the Hermes but...
** MESSAGE FROM GARMIN **
Hi Joe,
Thanks for contacting Garmin.
Garmin Mobile 10 does support MapSource maps.
Unfortunately, Garmin mibile 10 does not support HTC Hermes.
** MESSAGE FROM GARMIN **
Ok, so.... Garmin Mobile 10 does not work, but I think that Garmin Mobile 20 works for the Hermes, but the only stupid problem about Garmin Mobil 20 is that it costs friggen $300.00 ... so.. we must buy:
Garmin Mobile 20 - $299.00
Romaji (English) Tokyo Map - $120.00
This is getting expensive... is there anone who knows of a cheaper way to do things?.... Frick this is expensive...
Try this:
http://www011.upp.so-net.ne.jp/mametaro/index-e.html
It's a free Romaji map. I use it with my Garmin E-Trex Legend handheld GPS. I haven't looked into one for my X01HT yet but maybe it'll work since I use it with Mapsource on the desktop.
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Ok, I am researching a way to bring an English or "Romanji" map with completly working GPS to my Hermes. I have looked hard all over the internet and GPS is kind of a new thing to me. So I have purchased a cool new Holux GPSlim 236 Bluetooth GPS Receiver(SiRF III) so, everyone has installed on their PocketPC MSN Search Live (really cool little google earth program). The problem is, is when you search in Japan, everything is all in Japanese-O characters. Now, there is nothing wrong with Japanese.... if you know Japanese.... but if you are a crazy Canadian who can not find his way and are really friggen busy to learn how to read and write in Hiragana and Katakana right now this is of no use to us. So I went searching. I think I have found the only available PPC map that is in English "Romaji" characters that us crazy "Gaijin" can read. Ok, so, the only available map that is in "Romaji" is located here. Upupdown Company http://uud.info/en/navi/ $100.00 created the only available Japan map in English that I have found BUT it is only a Garmin Mapsource compatible map so you also have to purchase the Garmin Mobile 10 https://my.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=138&pID=420 for $200.00 and it comes with a bluetooth receiver that looks really good, plus it lasts for 20 hour? (I have a hard time beleiving that, but thats what it says!) Anyways, I beleive if you have those two products then you can have a working English gps system on your hermes. Plus you have to download the fit4cat Hermes Tweaker and enable your phone to have gps in the first place.. and voila....
K... this is why I have written this message.. this way is expensive... does anyone know of a cheaper way to do this?? I just do not want to learn Japanese-O right now.....
-TokyoJoe
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hi joe,
haha... glad to help another Joe user.
It is bollocks that Garmin's maps cannot be used as I am using it right now as we speak.
I have some good news for you. You can get your GPS236 Holux with Garmin Mapsource maps if you do the following.
- Install GPS Proxy/GPS Gate
- Install Garmin Que 2.9 (latest version I think)
- Get PatchIMG to merge in the Mapsource .img map provided to you by the vendor. If it is in in gmapsupp.img, all you need to do is copy it into the /Garmin folder of your PPC.
More instructions can be gleaned from http://www.malsingmaps.com , once you get it working, go buy that map and start using GPS in Tokyo
Does the T-Mobile Ameo come with any sat-nav software?
Thanks in advance.
HI,
The T-Mobile Ameo version in the Netherlands does not have any GPS software.
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HI,
The T-Mobile Ameo version in the Netherlands does not have any GPS software.
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OK, thanks for your quick reply
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Does the T-Mobile Ameo come with any sat-nav software?
Thanks in advance.
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All T-mobile Ameos around the world will NOT come with GPS software pre-installed...only HTC Advantage as far as I know.
Can you use the gps and use google maps to track your location in real time? Can someone try this and see if it works?
Thanks.
I'm jealous you guys have it already, I am goin to wait for the advantage.
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Can you use the gps and use google maps to track your location in real time? Can someone try this and see if it works?
Thanks.
I'm jealous you guys have it already, I am goin to wait for the advantage.
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Never tried google maps sorry, but when I get a chance I'll look into it...do you have a link to google maps info and application download? Don't really know how it works either.
As I resently found out: TomTom just check for the Athena String. So you can do following:
Grab a Friend who uses a licensed Version of TomTom Navigator 6
Copy his Card to e.g. Microdrive (I would recommend, to use a SD-Card, as bumbs on the road will stess the MD to much)
Remove those Map-Folders from your copy (Western Europe, or Country Name)
Push the card into your slot, or start via explorer on your Ameo the Start.exe.
This will install TomTom and on first startup, well, it will present you a voucher for a citymap of your choice. Here you go with your new licensed software of tomtom......
You may later on buy additional maps as you need. from single cities to western europe or other parts of this blue planet.
according to TomTom this is fine,and by intend, as long as you do not copy Maps licensed to a different device.
This possibly do not apply to all customized OEM-ware. But T-Mobile is registered Distributor of TOMTOM. That might be a reason .....
My HTC X7500 bought through Mobile Planet came with a software disc that includes TomTom Navigator 6 and a bunch of junks on it. I don't intend to use TomTom Navigator 6 so if any one wants to buy it, please let me know. TomTom Navigator 6 is sold for $149.99 but you can have it for half the price. The seal of the sotware disc is still unbroken so you know it's has not been activated on my HTC X7500.
I "believe" what you have is that standard DEMO disc. It will give you one local map with the option to "purchase" others...The "Full" version for $149.99 includes the Entire US and Canada!
OK... Good to know that the whole disc is full of junks. I'm glad I wasn't charged for TomTom Navigator 6 when I bought my HTC X7500. So they charge $100 more than the HTC X7501 just for the front camera? I can buy a good real camera for $100. On other note... why the hell does every body say HTC X7500 comes with TomTom Navigator 6? What a bunch of morons!!! A demo disc of TomTom Navigator 6 doesn't mean the HTC X7500 comes with it!!!!
Reference Google Maps.
T Mobile Ameo - Flashed with PK3.0 and Radio 1.50
Installed Google Maps for Mobiles.
and Tracked GPS worked.
Settings on track locations settings :
SET MANUALLY - Checked.
COM4
57600
kindest regards Aamir.
GPS Software GISRUSSA with HTC X7500 (7501)
Anyone use the GPS Software "GISRUSSA" with HTC X7500 (7501)?
link http://www.gisrussa.com/
I recently bought Garmin Mobile XT for my Ameo, it was £49.95 from Expansys and works a treat! it has traffic info, weather, speed cameras etc, nice and easy to use and easy to install, I well pleased with it!
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I recently bought Garmin Mobile XT for my Ameo, it was £49.95 from Expansys and works a treat! it has traffic info, weather, speed cameras etc, nice and easy to use and easy to install, I well pleased with it!
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Does it have over legal speed limit warning? If so,does it have facility for user to self enter legal speed limit of any portion of a road, where the map data is incomplete?
google maps will track AND route you
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Does it have over legal speed limit warning? If so,does it have facility for user to self enter legal speed limit of any portion of a road, where the map data is incomplete?
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I have only been around locally so far so i am not sure about the speed limit thing, I will get back to you on it when I have taken it out for a proper run.
Hi
Having tried TomTom 7, Copilot and the "try before buy" Navigon; I found all to be wanting in some way. I have not tried: Garmin XT is fixed to a SD card - I don't want to swop cards; IGO 8 looks good but seems to require lots of fixes.
Is there a GPS application (not google or similar online app) that just works from the box or cab ?
I like the google app but I don't like the high data rates which could get expensive when I'm roaming.
I just want a GPS app that has its own maps on my SD card (16 gbyte card so loads of space available). Does this really exist ?
When I check the official GPS provider sites (e.g., TomTom and Copilot) then they say their product is not compatible with the HTC HD - I guess that explains all the various hoops people have to jump through to get an app working.
I suspect I have to wait until spring next year for the app companies to provide a working HD compatible version ? Or, does anyone know better ??
Thanks & holiday greetings to all, Dave.
You can't compare Google Maps with a navigation solution like TomTom, IGo or Navigon. Google Maps is just showing the area around your current position, whereas the other programs can navigate you through the country.
As far as I know TomTom works just without any work, all others need to be configurated. How to do that is mentioned in the various threads here, so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
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Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)
Well I can use google to navigate as it has a "show directions" option. I know it is not as sophisticated as the other GPS apps.
My problem with google is it needs a data link which gets expensive when I'm out of my home country (hence need often a GPS) because I have to make a gprs link to have google working.
TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
Thanks anyway for answering.
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Come again? I've been using Google Maps for over a year to navigate me around Brisbane. (No that's not the country but I'm sure it's capable of that.)
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I never heard Google Maps talking to me something like "in 400 metres turn left". Maybe I missed something .
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TomTom does not work on the HD - Version 6 fails to work. Version 7 works fine but there seems to be no way to legally load maps except the single trial map of one city.
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Then you will have to try get IGo8 or Navigon working.
Here is a new app - anyone use this successfully on the HD ?
http://directions.ltd.uk/pda-navigation/pocket-navigator-8-europe
Does CoPilot work on the HD?
I've got Version 6 currently on my XDA Orbit & was thinking of upgrading
Garmin Mobile XT works great on my HD
Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.
I also gave Garmin XT a try.
One problem though, up until now, i am feeling that there is Lag or the cpu is not following up too fast to show changes, so if i am making a turn in a roundabout, you can see a strange thing happen on the screen.
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Cheesy Dave / Gulioth - I have used CoPliot v7 from day 1 on my Touch HD without any problems. Transferring it from my Touch Cruise took 5 minutes over the air, deactivating and reactivating (something you cannot do with TTN6).
It looks really good on the HD screen and is very easy to navigate through the menus (no pun intended). I am currently using v7.7.0.134 and ALK are bringing an even friendlier version out for the Touch HD shortly. I have used this, TTN6, TTN7 and Telmap Navigator in the recent past and various others going back to routeplanner on a Psion series 5.
Whichever gps software you use, it will always be "short" in some way or other. As far as the HTC Touch is concerned, CoPliot is by far the easeist overall to install, register and use with a touch screen & the maps are fairly up to date. I can also import my own POIs and safety cameras from TTN.
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Thanks davast. I actually got a copy of CoPilot which was sold to me as CoPilot7 for windows mobile. It turned out to be the specific version for the HTC Diamond.
I think I will wait for the new version and double check this time that the supplier knows what they are doing.
Regards, D.
What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95
I'm going to try a new one when I get a minute, beta atm but works on my hacked Hermes to wm6.1 and is nice
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What's latest CoPilot version? Is it v7? Does anyone know if the next one is imminent?
I own v6 for my XDA Orbit 1 and will probably upgrade rather than purchase new version as think it works out cheaper.
Upgrade = £48.93
Dealer = £59.95
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Hi Gulioth, I received version 7 "for the HTC Diamond" which will only load to the internal storage of the Diamond - hence, I returned it as this would not work on the HD.
I don't know the specific current version other than "7". If you have CoPilot Central then you should be able to find it. Unfortunately with the Diamond version there also is no copy of the CoPilot Central.
I have returned the Diamond version and I'm sitting waiting for someone (PLEASE !!) to make a legally correct version work.
If you check here: http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/compatibility.asp you can see that ALK says the HD is not yet compatible.
I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.
Thanks - that's a new one to me - I will investigate "on course navigation"
Ciao, Dave
Route 66 Version 7 works sweeet for me
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I've been using OCN8 (on course navigation) on my HD for a month. It's beautiful and has TTS for enhanced street naming in turn-by-turn directilns. The only problem, out of the box, is it only runs in portrait mode, but it does it beautifully in all the HD high res glory.
There's a thread in the Blackstone section with workarounds for running landscape.
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Hmmm - this seems to be only USA & Canada according to their site:
Map Coverage USA and Canada.
The latest maps and up-to-date points of interest for United States. Full road coverage with over 10 443 000 kilometers of updated roads, and over 12.3 millions points of interest. Includes maps of Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico.
http://www.oncoursenavigator.com/ocn8_intro.aspx
I did not specify in my original question that I'm based in Europe.
I'm looking for a legally correct GPS application that works "out-of-the box" or direct from the cab without having to tweak xml files or anything else and which is recognised by the software provider as compatible and acceptable. TomTom and CoPilot do not yet list the HD as a compatible device. I also don't want a software that is linked to one micro SD card (like Garmin XT).
I believe that CoPilot will be the right choice when it is HD compatible. I like also TomTom but it seems so difficult to make it work - there are many threads here about the tricks needed to make maps work. I do have TomTom running but only with the sample map. Trying to get TomTom home to accept the HD and legally download new Maps does not seem legally correct now - maybe next year ...
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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.
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Thanks - that looks good (reading the site now) - it seems to be on Version 8 now.
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WOW - this seems to be a first, a GPS app that claims the HTC HD is compatible:
http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723
Halo all,
I'm searching for a compatible navigation software for my new Rhodium (T-Mobile Germany). Important is that I need a map of USA.
All my favorites (Navigon, TomTom) do not offer a map of USA preferably in Germany.
Any tips for me?
Thanks
Pascal
I'm not sure I understand your question. 've never used Navigon, but I certainly know that TomTom sells maps of the USA. Are you saying that you are having difficulty finding out where to purchase these maps from Germany?
Yes, in all german online shops there is no Map of USA.
you could try getting the igo8 standard euro version
http://navngo.com/pages/global/eng/igo_8_description
then get the us map as an extra through
https://www.naviextras.com
'nav-n-go igo8' is known as a nng device on the navieextras site
I've tried Navigon - don't remember why I didn't like it but I ditched it. I have both Garmin and TomTom - both of which I assure you you can get USA maps for (I have them so I know its possible). As for which is the best... Eh... Your mileage may vary. I'm currently in love with the features of Garmin but the positional lag is worse in Garmin than TomTom... I think either one would suit you well, but I'd guess TomTom has a wider array of maps available.
How about CoPilot Live?
At least in the USA, I had the option to buy all of the maps for Copilot Live 8, and not just the North America maps.
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Halo all,
I'm searching for a compatible navigation software for my new Rhodium (T-Mobile Germany). Important is that I need a map of USA.
All my favorites (Navigon, TomTom) do not offer a map of USA preferably in Germany.
Any tips for me?
Thanks
Pascal
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I used Iguidance 2009, it comes with an 8Gb card that is tied to the software. If you don't mind using this card, it seems to work pretty well - and it comes with a full set of USA maps.
http://www.inavcorp.com/product/navigation/iguidance_ppc.php