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Vogue - HTC Video Patch Due March 08 !!!???

Just saw this & thought it I would share........It actually gives me some hope!
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...ster-video-for-affected-devices-no-drivers-i/
It looks like I'll be keeping my Sprint Touch after all if they come through on their end.

I hope that this means those missing drivers were included after all an just not activated... if not, we're not going to see more than a marginal improvement. Could we just pay Qualcomm or something for the drivers individually?

Draiko said:
I hope that this means those missing drivers were included after all an just not activated... if not, we're not going to see more than a marginal improvement. Could we just pay Qualcomm or something for the drivers individually?
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From what Ive read though, HTC is saying that it had nothing to do with missing drivers.

Because it doesn't. There's no reason the phone shouldn't be able to play video correctly *right now* and anyone who's played with the various video modes of tcpmp can tell you that. In any mode other than DirectDraw, it plays perfectly. Forget about "drivers". If they're needed for hardware acceleration, swell, but the real problem is shoddy implementation of the DirectDraw interface. If they fix that, they've fixed the problem. Not that I expect HTC to fix anything, at least without breaking something else. I'm surprised those douchebags can find a door to get out of the house in the morning.

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From what Ive read though, HTC is saying that it had nothing to do with missing drivers.
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I know... which means that either the drivers were included all along or that we're not going to get the boost we're expecting

I'll believe it when I'm using it...

You know, I might actually email qualcomm and ask them if they'd offer those missing drivers to us for a price... Since the entire thing was a money issue and it will take months to write or reverse-engineer a custom driver, why not use the power of money?
Does anyone have an "in" at Qualcomm? *desperation*

Yeah, like other people, we were hoping the drivers would enable the ATI Imageon hardware acceleration in the devices which should theoretically boost performance all around the device, not just certain aspects.
These 'other drivers' that are supposedly getting released look more like a better cache system that for the OS level and no other improvements.
--James

markgamber said:
Because it doesn't. There's no reason the phone shouldn't be able to play video correctly *right now* and anyone who's played with the various video modes of tcpmp can tell you that. In any mode other than DirectDraw, it plays perfectly. Forget about "drivers". If they're needed for hardware acceleration, swell, but the real problem is shoddy implementation of the DirectDraw interface. If they fix that, they've fixed the problem. Not that I expect HTC to fix anything, at least without breaking something else. I'm surprised those douchebags can find a door to get out of the house in the morning.
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I just got my Touch Voque this week.. And running TCPMP I can play xvids no probs.. Whats the best fps to encode the vids too... I've done 15 & 25.. both seem pretty good.. but opting for 15fps to reduce work load as quality is more than accepable.. I'd say stunning

Another good read... Qualcomm's MSM7500 sales pitch!

Draiko said:
Another good read... Qualcomm's MSM7500 sales pitch!
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Good find. Here is the article in it's entirety quoted from the actual page. All credits go to the original author.
Publication: Modem User News
Publication Date: 01-SEP-05
Delivery: Immediate Online Access
Author:
Company: QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies; QUALCOMM Inc.
Full Article:
QUALCOMM Incorporated (NASDAQ:QCOM) has begun sampling the dual-CPU MSM7500 (Convergence Platform single-chip solution, enabling the first generation of converged devices that combine popular consumer electronics with the advanced power of CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Revision A networks. QUALCOMM's MSM7500 chipset will transform the wireless device into the ultimate personal multimedia experience, enabling devices from high-end PDAs and Smartphones to cost-effective wireless computers to portable video players, music centers, gaming consoles and more. With the processing capacity to match the high data-speed capabilities of Rev. A networks, the MSM7500 chipset creates new markets for the world's most popular consumer devices --including an 8.0 megapixel digital camera, camcorder-like video recorder, VGA resolution gaming, support for major audio and video formats, plus a dedicated applications processor to support the BREW solution and third- party operating systems -- with an integrated single-chipset solution.
"The MSM7500 chipset brings the industry's best personal media experience to wireless, enabling faster, widespread adoption of the high data-rate services that operators and consumers want," said Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, president of QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies. "By addressing historical performance issues -- power, display, speed, form-factor, network support and multimedia functionality -- the integrated architecture of the MSM7500 chipset provides OEMs with a solution that does not require separate chips or processors to deliver the next evolution in high-end multimedia."
The MSM7500 chipset boasts a power-efficient design with a dual-CPU architecture that integrates an ARM11 applications processor and an ARM9 modem processor to deliver the processing power required to run on-demand multimedia content over high-speed Rev. A networks. The MSM7500 chipset will:
* Deliver high-end multimedia with the integrated Launchpad suite and BREW support
* Support high-resolution VGA displays and TV-out to turn wireless handsets into personal media players and leverage the viewing experience of television monitors
* Provide a high-end gaming experience with an embedded ATI 3D graphics engine that further improves the user experience with 3D user interfaces
* Expand the Smartphone market with support for Linux and other third-party operating systems
* Provide support for wireless peripherals such as WiFi, Bluetooth, QUALCOMM's FLO solution, as well as popular broadcast standards
The MSM7500 chipset supports QUALCOMM's Launchpad suite of advanced multimedia, connectivity, position location, user interface and removable storage functionality, and QUALCOMM's BREW solution, which enables the download and monetization of advanced applications and content, allowing operators and OEMs to differentiate their products and services and increase revenues. QUALCOMM's chipsets are also compatible with the Java runtime environment (J2ME) which can be built entirely on the chipset as an extension to the BREW client.
QUALCOMM Incorporated develops and delivers digital wireless communications products and services based on the company's CDMA digital technology. Headquartered in San Diego, Calif., QUALCOMM is included in the S&P 500 Index and is a 2005 FORTUNE 500 company traded on The Nasdaq Stock Market under the ticker symbol QCOM.
QUALCOMM Incorporated can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.qualcomm.com/
For more information, call 858/845-7571.
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Now wouldn't it be nice if our service providers actually provided us with all of those nice features?

the issue is that anything labeled as "supported" isn't something that the OEMs are forced to include. However, the ATi Imageon is an integrated component, it is present in every single MSM7500 and that is what puts both Qualcomm and HTC into hot class-action-lawsuit-flavored water. Computer Lemon Laws protect people from false advertising and most of them state that a device MUST function as advertised/promised at the time of purchase. Every single product spec sheet for an MSM7500 device states that the MSM7500 is inside. The MSM7500's specs include an ATi Imageon and unless specifically stated by HTC, the unit is sold with the assumption that all "EMBEDDED" and advertised features of it's included components are available at purchase. If advertised features are not enabled at the time of purchase, then that is false advertising which means we can sue HTC under most Lemon Laws in place today. If the HTC insider interview at wmexperts.com is true, HTC could possibly sue Qualcomm for trying to charge more for a the MSM7x00 chipset's built-in features.
The only reason why companies provide free updates is to keep from getting sued under state computer lemon laws.

March 10, still nothing.....

h311boy said:
March 10, still nothing.....
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Thanks sherlock.

where did the march 8th date come from anyways?
-mark

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that was meant to be read March 2008 although it does seem like March 8th being that the Mogul update was released on the 10th. Wish somebody could modify it for the Vogue and get the GPS working... Hopefully HTC will release a lot more for the Vogue very soon!

HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers

Check it out:
HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers
Is this real? I know it is only a software/driver fix, but it is better than not...

rumors, rumors and more rumors.
There are countless rumors for and against this claim. No one here knows for sure.
It looks to me like this thread will be yet another source of baseless rumors...
EDIT: Ah, that was supposed to be a link. Perhaps post the correct link to the article you are referring to, and we can discuss that. Right now, the link is http://HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers, which is obviously not a proper URL.

Dishe said:
rumors, rumors and more rumors.
There are countless rumors for and against this claim. No one here knows for sure.
It looks to me like this thread will be yet another source of baseless rumors...
EDIT: Ah, that was supposed to be a link. Perhaps post the correct link to the article you are referring to, and we can discuss that. Right now, the link is http://HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers, which is obviously not a proper URL.
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Fixed... Here is the meat:
Some of our top engineers have investigated video performance on our devices and have discovered a fix that they claim will dramatically improve performance for common on-screen tasks like scrolling and the like. Their fix would help most of our recent touch-screen products including the Touch family of devices and TYTN II / Tilt, Mogul / XV6900. The update is in testing and we hope to release it soon. However this fix is not a new video driver to utilize hardware acceleration; it is a software optimization. Video drivers are a much more complicated issue that involves companies and engineers beyond HTC alone. We do not want to lead anyone to believe they should expect these. To explain why we are not releasing video acceleration instead of the optimization I offer you our official statement... "HTC DOES plan to offer software upgrades that will increase feature functionality, over the air wireless speeds and other enhancements for some of the phones being criticized, but we do not anticipate including any additional support for the video acceleration issues cited in customer complaints. It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update and requires extensive software development and time. HTC will utilize hardware video acceleration like the ATI Imageon in many upcoming products. Our users have made it clear that they expect our products to offer an improved visual experience, and we have included this feedback into planning and development of future products. To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function. In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."

I was at this conference. Take a look at what is inside the Mogul, Vogue, etc (aka Convergennce platform) chipset: (The second half talks about the graphics capabilities)
http://brew.qualcomm.com/brew_bnry/pdf/events/brew_2005/t202_ligon_qualcomm.pdf
It is difficult to be angy at HTC, as just about every HW vendor does this: The retail channels and the manufacturers want product diversity, but Qualcomm can't design all that many chips (a full chip design is expenive), nor can they build a wide diversity of fab plants so they just disable parts or leave out drivers.
The question that no one can answer due to NDA's is who exactly is holding them back? I.e. it may be that Qualcomm didn't license the accelerator for this part from ATI or that HTC didn't license the rights to from Qualcomm.
Either way, a gdi/direct draw driver for the basics is not a massive undertaking. We aren't asking for DirectX 10 suport.

awandkk said:
To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
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Here is the thing.... when I looked at what specs were available to me when I bought my Mogul, they looked better than my Wing. I expected better video performance than a 2 year old phone. What they said sounds like back peddling.

Sounds to me like all they are going to do is a quick software optimization which they will call a video fix, when in reality, it has nothing to do with the video hardware inside the device.
They are just releasing this and calling it a "video fix" to get all the people like us who want full functionality to shut the .... up about it.

We has given up?

cstyle226 said:
We has given up?
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Most likely. One of those "believe it when you see it".

that pdf is such a teaser so my phone is as powerful as ps2 and i cant use it thats just messed up and you know all the hardware their cause its integrated.This sucks cause i never play games cause they always play horrible. htc is so responsible for the iphone gui blowing away any other phones.

HD2: USB Host + TV Out

Originally the USB Host and TV Out was announced, but in latest official spec is missing.
Is there a chance that both features will be available later (after some patch)?
I believe that such modern chipset supports both. I can't understand why HD2 should be missing TV Out while older devices have it. HD2 is designed for multimedia, isn't it???

JirkaToksa said:
I can't understand why HD2 should be missing TV Out while older devices have it. HD2 is designed for multimedia, isn't it???
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Well, AFAIK HTC does not license the complete chipset with all funtionality from qualcomm, because that would be too expensive. They just license functions. Anf if they don't license these capabilities, it wouldn't be surprising if certain (even older) HTC phones support a function, that other phones don't support.
I think that is the major point why some time ago some phones didn't support 3D acceleration and htcclassaction.org was launched.

JirkaToksa said:
Originally the USB Host and TV Out was announced, but in latest official spec is missing.
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I hear this a lot, but nobody can also show a source where HTC announced that it would have this, just random speculation from a clueless forum user or two.
I don't believe it to be true, but am open to being proved wrong.

HTC never announced those both functions for the HD2, it was only rumours, spec leaks and a beta-tester's confirmation (for usb-host that is, while i think he misunderstood the point of usb-host..).

i played around in the registry earlier today and found a TV-out option, but also keys named rhodium, so it seems its all messed up

FM radio ?

I've seen a few threads about an FM radio capability. Is this correct, that the hardware is there, but not used ?
I looked through a few tear downs and specs, but two of them contradicted each other.
Thanks !

from what i can work out, the chip is there, but not in use...hopefully some clever chef can unlock that module

I was wondering the same thing, hopefully someone makes an app for it soon

Anyone tried to install the Radio apk from HTC Tattoo on N1?

The broadcomm wifi/bt chip in N1 does indeed have FM functionality. It has never been tested (it was not a planned feature for the device and there was not time in the software schedule), so I can't guarantee it'll work, and somebody would need to actually do the driver work to get it going, but in *theory* it should be doable.

swetland said:
The broadcomm wifi/bt chip in N1 does indeed have FM functionality. It has never been tested (it was not a planned feature for the device and there was not time in the software schedule), so I can't guarantee it'll work, and somebody would need to actually do the driver work to get it going, but in *theory* it should be doable.
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Could Google add support for this later or would it only be a case of the community adding it?
Does/would the SDK allow access to the broadcomm chip?

We (Google) don't currently have FM radio on the short term roadmap as a standard platform feature, so for now a community project would get you there the quickest.

swetland said:
We (Google) don't currently have FM radio on the short term roadmap as a standard platform feature, so for now a community project would get you there the quickest.
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Is there any documentation on the CPU that can help us code the driver? I can't seem to find anything

I have also been searching for FM Radio API and applications and stumbled across a couple of links that might be of interest.
The first one is a software developer who has got an FM Radio application running on android which has been written by Qualcomm and uses a beagle board as hardware.
i-miss-erin.blogspot.com/2009/08/listen-fm-radio-in-android.html
The second is from an android open source community. Actual source code is listed but I think it is written for a Qualcomm chip rather than the Broadcom one in the Nexus. Any code buffins able to tell us any more info from the source code?
codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/packages/apps/FM.git;a=summary
I really want to get a FM radio app on my soon to be arriving Nexus. An FM transamitter would be handy too. Common Google even my old Nokia N78 has one!

flashransom said:
The second is from an android open source community. Actual source code is listed but I think it is written for a Qualcomm chip rather than the Broadcom one in the Nexus. Any code buffins able to tell us any more info from the source code?
codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/packages/apps/FM.git;a=summary
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Nice finding here. The application actually looks good but it won't run on Nexus. It uses android.hardware.fmradio class that doesn't exist on the current sdk (had it even existed?)

Have a look at
codeaurora.org/wiki/QAEP
it has more information about the community building these libraries. Here is a quote "MSM/QSD Android Enablement project allows users to build an Android based platform containing additional enhancements for Qualcomm chipsets. "
Hopefully they start making enchancements for the Broadcomm chipsets too.

An FM transmitter would prolly make me cry... would love to throw my ipods in a drawer and move on in my life lol

[Q] 8 megapixels image sensor datasheet

Hi every one,
I need help in a project i am doing.
I need to activate a camera module with an external controller.
The camera I want to operate is the rear cam of the Iphone 4s.
I searched a bit and found that it is Sony's camera and the name is IMX-145.
This was made by chipworks.
But I cant find any datasheet or some clues about this module or its structure.
Can you help me ?
Thanks

XDA is for android. Try an iPhone forum

I need documentation on 8 MegaPixel cam.
It does not matter to me if its IPhone or Samsung Galaxy S II.
I need a good camera (part of a smart phone) documenting, eg datasheet pinout or ICD.
Can anyone help ?
Where can I find this sort of documentation?

amirke said:
It does not matter to me if its IPhone or Samsung Galaxy S II.
I need a good camera (part of a smart phone) documenting, eg datasheet pinout or ICD.
Can anyone help ?
Where can I find this sort of documentation?
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I think what the meant was that the majority of the people here specialize in Android based devices/parts/etc.
It would be more prudent to go to an iPhone web forum to find the information you are seeking, maybe an iPhone modding scene or something like that

... The fact that the OP is asking for a hardware datasheet it boggles my mind how the above responders think that it has anything to do with what software is accessing said controller/sensor. They must be complete Derp's to think it matters if its android or ios, and negate the fact that what is being asked for has nothing to do with it.
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If its a new revision of said sensor, then getting a new datasheet will be extremely hard to come by. You'd probably be able to find said datasheet for earlier revisions unless its protected as a proprietary piece of hardware of Chipworks.
I would guess that maybe something would be found buried in the chipworks website on the matter. Generally though for newer hardware or revisions of existing hardware, datasheets are not released to public until they've been replaced with newer models/revisions.
As it stands It looks like they can only be bought.
https://chipworks.secure.force.com/catalog/ProductDetails?sku=SON-IMX145&viewState=DetailView&cartID=&g=&parentCategory=&navigationStr=CatalogSearchInc&searchText=circuit

XDA is for android

This forum (xda) just for ANDROID...

XDA is for Android, Windows Phone, Web OS, Meego, Bada, etc. And yes, there is even a link for iPhones on the main page.
Besides, Apple doesn't necessarily have an exclusivity deal on the camera sensors. The iPhone 4 used the same sensor that many HTC phones did, but the sensor itself can only do so much. The post processing and especially the optics are what makes or breaks a camera.

I'd find someone working for IT company and ask him to send request there - http://www.ovt.com/ and maybe to Toshiba asking for datasheet and samples of some sensor if you need only sensor. But, as xHausx said, you may need also camera-processor so you may want to look for ready sensor+processor fused modules. And these seems to me to have all very similiar interface (on ARM SoCs you can find camera handling modules - these are universal), though reversing ready device or getting datasheet for proper I2C/SPI communicating with such thing may be needed, which is rather model-specific.
iPhone from hardware level remains the very same device as all other Android devices and iPhone-developers doesn't have strictly hardware-modding forum as XDA does. So XDA is more appropriate place to ask for such things IMO.
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And check out this - http://www.mipi.org/specifications/camera-interface