Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Developer/Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
Welcome! I'm curious to know what a "social media analyst" does.
Hi John. I'm surprised this thread isn't a little more lively.
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Hi John. I'm surprised this thread isn't a little more lively.
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Perhaps everyone is waiting to see who will be the first to ask him about the Froyo update!
Hey SamsungJohn, could you please tell Samsung to make a device like the Xperia Play?
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Welcome! I'm curious to know what a "social media analyst" does.
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Sounds like he gets paid to stalk people on Facebook! I want a job like that! Oh wait, I kind of get to do that already except my employer doesn't know about it. In all seriousness there needs to be more communication between manufacturers and developers and even users. So many times it seems like someone who is sitting in an office disconnected from the world is the one making decisions. I hope this does become a positive thing and not just some PR BS that one of those people sitting in that isolated offices came up with to try and quiet down the natives because the have became restless and the shouts are starting to be heard inside the palace walls. Time will tell.
Welcome!
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Perhaps everyone is waiting to see who will be the first to ask him about the Froyo update!
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lol I'm tempted, but I don't want to get flamed haha.
Anyway, welcome John! It's good to know that we can get somewhat of a direct communication toward Samsung because this community does have a lot to offer (and a lot of complaining).
Hope we can help.
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Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Developer/Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
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I might get flamed for this, but I think this post would actually be better off in the Development forum. I don't think a lot of the developers spend time reading general because of all the drama and arguing that tends to go on here. Maybe a mod can make a judgment call and move it over there.
Hey where is the froyo source john? I had to ask.
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Well, if you are really the social media analyst, let me sum up what social media should have told you already.
-We want greater communication from Samsung/Sprint with regards to updates. We don't need solid dates, but we would like to know that you are working on it and a general idea where/what is going on.
-We would like for you to upgrade our phones to Froyo and then to Gingerbread.
-We would like for you to enable this:http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/10/immersions-motiv-development-platform-integrates-haptics-into-a/
since our phones are capable of it but do not currently have the software needed.
That pretty much sums up everything. We know you aren't going to dropping Touch Wiz. We know you aren't going to be porting Honeycomb to our devices. We just want greater communication and for Samsung to start treating this phone as if they actually thought it was important to them.
Hi John, Lets get down to buisness...... We need the source code for the modem, without that there is no buisness here. Thankyou
Stalker
Lol no I'm not a stalker! As I said before I am a developer as well. To summarize, a Social Media Analyst exist for the customer. So, me being a developer I have an understanding of our devices in and out; From the Social Media side, i have a feel for the customer. That's why I'm here to establish a partnership with you guys!
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Hi John. I'm surprised this thread isn't a little more lively.
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Why should it be?
People for the most part, at least those that post on the various forums out there, don't really care anymore for Samsung than they do for Sprint at the moment for the lack of care on putting out updates to the Epic 4g. Sure an official Froyo update would be nice, but most Epic 4g owners have given up hope and aren't holding their breath for any update. Thank you Samsung, and Sprint!
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Lol no I'm not a stalker! As I said before I am a developer as well. To summarize, a Social Media Analyst exist for the customer. So, me being a developer I have an understanding of our devices in and out; From the Social Media side, i have a feel for the customer. That's why I'm here to establish a partnership with you guys!
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Well I'm glad to see some one from samsung loking at this now u can see that a lot of people are very upset waiting for a simple update. Most people now just want the source code it be great if u can just help out our great devs here by just giving us that. Thanks
sent from my Epic S
SamsungJohn said:
Lol no I'm not a stalker! As I said before I am a developer as well. To summarize, a Social Media Analyst exist for the customer. So, me being a developer I have an understanding of our devices in and out; From the Social Media side, i have a feel for the customer. That's why I'm here to establish a partnership with you guys!
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So you understand that the biggest thing we need is access to the kernel source code?
Good, now go tell your boss, and his/her boss.
Tell them that they need to do whatever is necessary to get this released.
They are generating a whole lot of angry customers because of their total lack of support.
We've had some decent advancements despite not having source code.
The title of this thread explains it.
ps-- I do have my reservations as to whether or not you actually work for Samsung.
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Partnership
I am the real deal, I don't mind posting my badge or something that would establish credibility. I know you guys have a lot of questions for me about updates. We will get to that in a bit. My main purpose today is to let you know that I have been watching your work and i must say it is great. I want to establish a partnership with you guys!
John can u at least respond to questions honestly about a froyo or gingerbread update for the epic? you and the rest of the samsng team on twitter cannot provide us with anyting but "asap" , "will tweet more as soon as we know".
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ps-- I do have my reservations as to whether or not you actually work for Samsung.
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Yeah, this sounds lame, sounds like someone is stirring the pot. If you are who you say you are, put this personal message in for me and about a dozen of my friends, speed it up or at least give our devs something new to work with.
Im all for some serious interactions with an insider, remove the black cloud of mystery.
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I am the real deal, I don't mind posting my badge or something that would establish credibility. I know you guys have a lot of questions for me about updates. We will get to that in a bit. My main purpose today is to let you know that I have been watching your work and i must say it is great. I want to establish a partnership with you guys!
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My suggestion for you to get more attention to this partnership with XDA is to look in the Development section for the Epic and Private Message those who make the ROMs.
I here everything your saying, I will provide proof later that work for Samsung. Ill take a picture of my badge or something for you guys.
P.s. I am my boss
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Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Developer/Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
Welcome John! I have to say I'm quite impressed that Samsung or even just you as an employee are taking the initiative to come here and commune with our development community. I hope this is the start of a wonderful 3rd and 1st party development exchanging of ideas!
Sent from my SubCyan CM7 Google Nexus S!
Welcome John,
Great to see an official employee from Samsung.
My question is, do you believe samsung in the future, will enable 720p playback on the nexus s ?
welcome to our wonderfull forums. frankly im impressed that there is an "official" line of communication started in xda from samsung. lets keep it going and lets watch the relationship blossom
Welcome John, glad to have a Samsung employee browsing xda.
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My question is, do you believe samsung in the future, will enable 720p playback on the nexus s ?
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@JeeChan that's for Google to decide, not Samsung
I like. Thanks john!
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Hey John how high are you in the Samsung chain? If your extremely high can i ask you...... WHEN THE HECK ARE THE OTHER US CARRIERS GETTING FROYO ON THEIR GALAXY S DEVICES. I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE have to root BUT I JUST MIGHT HAVE TO. Or pay extra and get the inspire. I'm sorry. But I've been driven to the brink. I'm never buying anymore Samsung. You guys were my first phone, but ur updates and lag built in to the software aren't worth it.
Sent from my iDon"t care what u say its not an iPhone or a Droid, its a Captivate.
Hey John, just want to echo others comments that it's very impressive that a Samsung employee would begin a dialogue here at XDA. Look forward to seeing you jump in the forums and offer your suggestions.
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Hey John how high are you in the Samsung chain? If your extremely high can i ask you...... WHEN THE HECK ARE THE OTHER US CARRIERS GETTING FROYO ON THEIR GALAXY S DEVICES. I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE have to root BUT I JUST MIGHT HAVE TO. Or pay extra and get the inspire. I'm sorry. But I've been driven to the brink. I'm never buying anymore Samsung. You guys were my first phone, but ur updates and lag built in to the software aren't worth it.
Sent from my iDon"t care what u say its not an iPhone or a Droid, its a Captivate.
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Why are you asking him that question here? Come on people. Spamming John with questions in every topic he creates isn't going to get you an answer. Stay in your Captivate forum if you're going to ask him questions regarding Galaxy S phones.
Hi John
Welcome to XDA Developers.
It's quite a surprise to see a real person from any company wishing to participate together.
I've alerted the Senior people and Admins, some one will be in touch with you shortly.
Enjoy your stay.
A.G.
SamsungJohn said:
Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Developer/Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
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Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
Hi!
Quoting myself from the Vibrant thread :
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SamsungJohn said:
Yes, I have been watching you guys work and I must say is very fantastic. I am here on behalf of Samsung to establish a partnership. Do you guys suggest me posting this in the development forums?
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Does Samsung has planned to implement the wonderful Supercurio's work (like Voodoo great sound improvements) and to work with him?
Edit : I've read your're also a developper, so yes, you should post in dev sections
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SamsungJohn said:
Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
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First things first.. It would be nice if you guys made a roadmap for stuff under development for our phone. At the moment, we have no idea which bugs are getting fixed or when. And we have no idea what's being worked on. We don't need a accurate timeframe, simply an indication of what's being worked on
Even better, track the serial numbers/IMEI of the phones, and allow each owner to vote on where development should be targeted (such as what Dune HD does). You could even make an application on the Samsung store to let us vote directly on the phones (which might make it even better).
I wont be there in Austin (too far), but I think what I have mentioned is important, because Samsung tech support is unresponsive and horrible (when you send them a bug by email, you NEVER get a response). However, by at least implementing a voting feature, poor tech support suddenly becomes less relevant.
I have a simple suggestion. Samsung are really ontop when it comes to hardware but we haven't seen any advancement in battery technology. Perhaps, as well as focusing on samoled screens power saving prowess, we could address where we are on the battery side of things. So many features require a modern battery.
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Check your Private messages John, sent you something
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I have a simple suggestion. Samsung are really ontop when it comes to hardware but we haven't seen any advancement in battery technology. Perhaps, as well as focusing on samoled screens power saving prowess, we could address where we are on the battery side of things. So many features require a modern battery.
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Let's not turn this thread into a laundry list of things we want from Samsung. That's not the point and it'll just spiral out of control.
I think that this is a big and important step from Samsung, which they should have done earlier, to be present instead of being silent all the time.
It's for sure that there is brilliant developers at XDA that has done some excellent work, imagine how much they could have done if there someone they could get answers from when the questions do present them self.
Is this a joke or somthing ?
Samsung usa. lol.
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SamsungJohn said:
Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
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Hey John, first of all welcome here !
I this this is very interesting you come! Look, you're page 12 of the the Open Source strategy I shared with Samsung Korea
http://bit.ly/hNJ38m
Hehe I don't know if this is coincidence or consequence, but it sure demonstrate a lot of common interest, and is an excellent news for Samsung and XDA developers !
John and you guys what think of my document now made public?
PS: does your initiative comes from Korea or you didn't shared yet? I must tell you about a few people there
It's great to see Samsung getting involved here. I hope this is not just for PR purposes, Samsung and the customers would get huge benefits if you work together with the developers here.
For a start, I recommend you take a good look into the work that members Supercurio and Hardcore on this forum have done, and work on implementing them into your own firmware.
The difference the 3rd party firmware on the Galaxy S makes is huge. It's faster, the screen looks sharper and better, and the new sound drivers they have worked on are brilliant. The two members I mentioned seem to be the main ones contributing to this.
How about not fragmenting Android and talking to the devs about the best way to allow them access to all the firmware and drivers that are currently not open sourced? (NDA for select devs maybe?)
This would give you all the love you require form the Members here
Logicalstep
Hmm am i the only one who is a bit distrustful? I see no proof whatsoever , that john is im fact a samsung employee .. Or is it just me being paranoid after so many internet hoaxes.
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He's a fake.
Why would he only write on few tread that he make and why would Samsung even write anything here.
Sure now will that give us all code and help us to root the phone.. Lol...
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I don't think he's a fake, look in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=950852
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http://twitter.com/#!/SamsungCarla
she tweets samsungjohn the newest member so I think he is real.
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jocala said:
Samsung has a team on Twitter. John is linked there and appears to be the real deal, unless there's a 10 person troll-team operating to pwn Samsung
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Its do easy to pretend to be Samsung person. There is zero prof that he is that.
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Have you at least read the thread I've quoted? There are other "proofs", like Captainkrtek (senior moderator) who's checked he's legit...
Anyway, it's your right to not believe it.
Hello john please new firmware for dbt (germany), wit 2.2.1
Thanks for posting here
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Hello john please new firmware for dbt (germany), wit 2.2.1
Thanks for posting here
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use odin....
btw: i don't think it is real but would be great if it is real....
talk to supercurio,hardcore,cmsgsteam and you could push your phones over the top....
softwarewise out of the box the sgs is a disapointment...
Thank you!
I'm sure we all have seen Transformers right? Remember that scene in the movie where the Autobots are arriving to earth?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kps_CkEEkUo) Quality kind of sucks. I compare that scene as Samsung arriving to XDA! I will not let you guys down. I will be back on Monday, in the mean time all top developers please pm. On Monday, I will post a new thread explaining further details. Also if your going to be in Austin for the convention let me know as well.
P.S. I have been reading all your postings in the threads.
Thanks
@SamsungJohn
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
Awesome! Yes, please do! It worked for HSUPA, it is worth a shot.
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Presenters:
Greg Wilson, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Greg is a Technology Evangelist at Motorola Mobility, helping developers to create the best possible Android applications. Prior to joining Motorola, Greg was at Palm (and its various incarnations) doing similar work for the Palm OS developer community. Greg has been programming since the early days of the microcomputer, and has written software for programmable calculators, IBM mainframes, and an assortment of microprocessor architectures and microcomputer operating systems.
Peter van der Linden, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Peter is the Android Technology Evangelist within the Developer Tools and Technical Services team at Motorola. He is not afraid of bugs, and has a collection of several prize bugs (software only).
They work for Motorola.
youareme7 said:
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
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Make sure to point out the number of people that want this.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
I'm not going to be able to watch and partcipate for this. I would like if someone could record this conference.
Thanks.
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Ririal said:
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Because AT&T is behind 99pct of the problems with the Atrix:
- No Side Loading - AT&T
- Reduced Speeds - AT&T
- No Root Access - AT&T
Motorola made it pretty clear pre-release they wanted to open up the bootloader, AT&T obviously shut that down.
maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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I doubt it. I asked in their MotoDev forum.
http://community.developer.motorola...trix-App-summit-on-March-29th-2011/td-p/12350
I'm not sure if it would actually do us any good, but I mean i guess it would be worth a try. Who is all gunna be the conference tomorrow??
I think (When it comes to their "bootloader solution") what they meant to say was "We do what we think is right when it comes to working with devs and customers, and will continue to do so in the future". And, what everyone took that to mean was "THEY ARE GONNA UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER FOR US". I'm not saying I agree AT ALL, I just sometimes try to look at it from both sides.
I definitely want this thing unlocked, but I'm not counting on Moto to do too much about it. Not to say opinions shouldn't be voiced!
No one should be blaming ATT for the locked bootloader. Motorola's Droids (except for OG Droid) all have been locked down and they are on Verizon's network. Feel free to blame ATT for upload speeds, fake 4G, no sideloading, global warming, etc...
The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
I second Ririal. Those two that are going to be presenting tomorrow are evangelists, and are going to be pretty in the dark about the situation.
I think the chat will be very interesting. Devs being there should be good for a prediction on where Moto plans to take the Atrix... wonder if we can ask questions in a round about way to see if they slip on how they unlock the bootloader to develop on the phone... lol yea I know wishful thinking this isn't a cartoon or movie lol but one can dream... I'll try and make the chat and see if I can record it for you guys
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I have school at that time but can someone do me a favour and bug them about his.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980047
Its common with half the people that unlocked the Atrix.
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
ikenley said:
Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Absolutely. I saw your petition and have signed it. I'd love to see them, at the very least, give us an answer. We may not like it, but at least we'd have one instead of empty promises right now. No need to get upset about it, though
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I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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THIS THIS
Being able to create/load webtop apps would be an awesome feature that would turn the webtop from an interesting sideshow to a must-have.
I am hesitant to spend anything on the lapdock because I don't think it would be much more useful than the phone itself. If I could throw OpenOffice down on there or something using apt-get then I would totally buy it.
I understand that Moto might want to control the user experience, as nobody is going to be doing any high-powered computation or gaming on it, but third-party apps would be really neat.
Folks, please tweet the following for MS to interfere and help us to fix the Dvp issues.
" @WinPhoneSupport Can Microsoft interfere and help #dellvenuepro owners for a wifi issue and freeze fix? #WP7 experience is ruined by #DVP "
Efjay's request:
" @dell ignores & fails to mention t-mobile #dellvenuepro users (victims) problems, has time to tout at&t version. @microsoft help us! #wp7 "
https://www.twitter.com/notebookgrail/status/71390697407787008
https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/71731138271510528
Include @FCC and @MichaelDell also while tweeting.
Sent from my Venue Pro using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Pls retweet this as well: https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/71731138271510528
Retweeted both
I actually sent Mr. Steve Ballmer an email last night and was contacted by Microsoft Support today via email. I believe that the only way anything is going to happen will be directly through Microsoft intervention.
jessej said:
I actually sent Mr. Steve Ballmer an email last night and as was contacted by Microsoft Support today via email. I believe that the only way anything is going to happen will be directly through Microsoft intervention.
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Could you provide his email?. So we can have the maximum # of folks petitioning him and WP7 via various channels. If you think if more people writing to him will ruin it, then no need to share.
Give me a couple of days to see if anything materializes. If I get the run around then I will post it.
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Could you provide his email?. So we can have the maximum # of folks petitioning him and WP7 via various channels. If you think if more people writing to him will ruin it, then no need to share.
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Think its simply steveb at MS dot com. Not a secret, can find it easily online.
hiya scoobies
http://bit.ly/l8IGeq
may want to read that - and yes I do support this cause
domineus said:
hiya scoobies
http://bit.ly/l8IGeq
may want to read that - and yes I do support this cause
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Thanks, was just going to post that. I retweeted this with the dvp and wp7 tags here:
https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/72032471021129729
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Thanks, was just going to post that. I retweeted this with the dvp and wp7 tags here:
https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/72032471021129729
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should learn more about tagging
perhaps a tip for wpcentral?
domineus said:
should learn more about tagging
perhaps a tip for wpcentral?
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Still a twitter noob, thats me Tipped engadget, wpcentral next.
Edit: alerted wpcentral and also posted in thier dvp forum.
efjay said:
Still a twitter noob, thats me Tipped engadget, wpcentral next.
Edit: alerted wpcentral and also posted in thier dvp forum.
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muy bien!
hopefully the problem is going to be axed or a loud enough noise will be made...
Guys, bring @FCC also into picture when tweeting.
Has anyone tried to add @tmonews in their tweets? or @tmobile or anything of the like? Tmonews is pretty good about responding to fans / concerned customers...they are pretty known (at least with tmobile for sure) and therefore they could broadcast the problem or so...idk , just an idea...
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Has anyone tried to add @tmonews in their tweets? or @tmobile or anything of the like? Tmonews is pretty good about responding to fans / concerned customers...they are pretty known (at least with tmobile for sure) and therefore they could broadcast the problem or so...idk , just an idea...
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Nice idea but android rules on tmonews. Their WP7 forums are deserted, any post that even hints at being pro-WP7 is invaded by android lovers bashing the OS, so I doubt you will get much help from that site. T-Mobile also couldnt care less, in fact from what I've heard all carriers are just paying lip service in their support of WP7, the truth is in their stores where store reps are free to bash WP7 and actively steer people away to other platforms. As we saw with verizon, if a carrier is behind an OS it shows all through their company, from store reps to execs and we are not seeing that happening for WP7.
Can sometime tip TMONews?. I tried for the past few days and the page is constantly loading and fails to send.
Interesting in today's WP Mango event - Dell is not mentioned as Hardware partner in the slide they presented. Just Kick Dell out of the arena. They are actually a scum and ruining the WP7 ecosystem.
Edit: Engadget highlights it - http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/dell-curiously-missing-from-windows-phone-mango-hardware-partn/
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Interesting in today's WP Mango event - Dell is not mentioned as Hardware partner in the slide they presented. Just Kick Dell out of the arena. They are actually a scum and ruining the WP7 ecosystem.
Edit: Engadget highlights it - http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/dell-curiously-missing-from-windows-phone-mango-hardware-partn/
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I hope they get kicked out as well, absolutely disgraceful treatment of their customers and dont deserve to be in the consumer business at all.
Engadget is filtering my comment there when i linked to the WMP article.
We will be screwed
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I hope they get kicked out as well, absolutely disgraceful treatment of their customers and dont deserve to be in the consumer business at all.
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If Dell is pulling out of the phone business, which would be very likely, since they didn't anticipate having to pour so much money over customer service, then those of us who bought the Venue Pro get screwed unless someone files a class-action suit against Dell to refund our purchases.
Hi all, I was working with Mike Reid on his Android Auto work. I was talking to him up to the day he went to hospital.
Unfortunately, it appears he has passed away. I asked a private investigator to try and contact him - see what hospital is at. We unfortunately found a death record matching his region of Canada.
I'd love to be wrong, but it appears he has passed. The death record matched up to about a week or two after he entered hospital.
My team is continuing his Android Auto work by starting the OpenHU project. We've set up a $10,000 bounty - as Google just broke his app over there with changes to GMS: http://console.com.co/openhu
Saw people asking about this, felt I should share over here on Mike's other projects.
Christopher Price said:
Hi all, I was working with Mike Reid on his Android Auto work. I was talking to him up to the day he went to hospital.
Unfortunately, it appears he has passed away. I asked a private investigator to try and contact him - see what hospital is at. We unfortunately found a death record matching his region of Canada.
I'd love to be wrong, but it appears he has passed. The death record matched up to about a week or two after he entered hospital.
My team is continuing his Android Auto work by starting the OpenHU project. We've set up a $10,000 bounty - as Google just broke his app over there with changes to GMS: http://console.com.co/openhu
Saw people asking about this, felt I should share over here on Mike's other projects.
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Terrible news. But thank you so much on behalf of all of us for sharing it.
Mike had a young family, so I hope somehow we can get a donation account set up for them. I don't think any of us really know the dedication and hours Mike put in to his work, a true labour of love for so little reward. He had so much to contribute. It's still my favourite app of all time. Genius.
God bless him and his family. Wherever they may be.
That's sad to hear - each dead person means relatives left behind, sometimes with insecurities about the financial future.
My condolences to Mike's family, relatives and friends if this turns out to be the sad truth.
May he rest in peace.... I'm very sad. Really.
This comes as a shock to me as it feels like we talked just yesterday. Mike was one of the kind person I came across. It's truly a loss. May he rest in peace.
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Upon seeing no reply to my e-mail from Mike I found this group and joined a minute ago. I am from India and got to know about Mike's great works very late.
It is really sad & shocking news to me if it is true. May his soul rest in peace..
Agree with making a contribution to his beloved ones in respect of his great work.
My condolences to Mike's family.
sad to hear about any death, condolences to Mike's family and may he rest in peace
I know I'm late, but it's sad to see an other XDA contributor/developer has passed away. Much love and respect towards his family
Rest in peace Mike :'(
Very sad to hear Mike passed Always kind and smart person also very good android developer. May he rest in peace.
RIP Mike. I know I'm late, and I didn't know you personally but your effort into SpiritFM has been a huge contribution to the community. Your app was one of the few digital goods I paid for. Thank you for all you have done and RIP. :'(
As a radio DXer that loves Android, Mike was my hero! I'm so shocked to hear about his passing. R.I.P. and condolenses to his family! His legacy will live on!
If true, RIP Mike.
This is shocking news.RIP MIKE
This is shocking and sad. RIP Mike.
If anyone does manage to get confirmation of this, please update on this thread. I was waiting to hear from Mike about an opportunity I am pursuing, and I came upon this thread.
Rest in peace
mervluk said:
Terrible news. But thank you so much on behalf of all of us for sharing it.
Mike had a young family, so I hope somehow we can get a donation account set up for them. I don't think any of us really know the dedication and hours Mike put in to his work, a true labour of love for so little reward. He had so much to contribute. It's still my favourite app of all time. Genius.
God bless him and his family. Wherever they may be.
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:crying::crying::crying::crying:RIP , is he http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/michael-reid-obituary?pid=1000000179632845 ?
@Christopher Price are you also going to open source latest releases of SpiritFM and/or SpiritTransmit ?
Project's no more otherwise.
mirhl said:
@Christopher Price are you also going to open source latest releases of SpiritFM and/or SpiritTransmit ?
Project's no more otherwise.
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I have no source code or activity on those projects. I never even downloaded or used them, sorry.