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Froyo features - some doubts

Hi,
There are are few features that were announced at I/O but I haven't seen so far:
- being able to install apps from the market on your PC.
- being able to buy music on the market.
- being able to stream music from your PC.
Were these features even announced for froyo, or are they scheduled for gingerbread? Do you guys know?

I say give it a week or two. Maybe Google is still working on getting the features out.

They said "these are some of the things they are working on for the next release" so we likely won't see these fully implemented until Gingerbread.

frandavid100 said:
Hi,
There are are few features that were announced at I/O but I haven't seen so far:
- being able to install apps from the market on your PC.
- being able to buy music on the market.
- being able to stream music from your PC.
Were these features even announced for froyo, or are they scheduled for gingerbread? Do you guys know?
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Those aren't features of FroYo only, but of www.android.com as well which is obviously not yet re-launched.

Gingerbread features or a mid update. Not in this release for sure. They said that loud and clear in the keynote.

Paul22000 said:
Those aren't features of FroYo only, but of www.android.com as well which is obviously not yet re-launched.
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That's what I meant, they depend on the market webpage but is froyo equipped to take advantage of these possible changes in the market? I mean, if it happened tomorrow; would froyo benefit from it?

frandavid100 said:
That's what I meant, they depend on the market webpage but is froyo equipped to take advantage of these possible changes in the market? I mean, if it happened tomorrow; would froyo benefit from it?
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Only the first one. The other 2 need an additional software plus an updated music player. I'm sure they wanna get this service up and running as fast as possible and we will probably get an OTA with this in the future. My best guess is that it will happen when the new market web site is released.

Thanks mate, that made it clearer. What about...?
- The application data backup. Is our apps' data being backed up now? Do developers have to change their apps to take advantage of the feature? What if we uninstall an app? Where -and how- does the user notice the feature?
- Searching within the apps' data. Does this mean that the global search will be able to find stuff inside your apps, that is, as if you hit the search button while using an app? Same as you can search something in the music app and the youtube app, even while not using them? If so, again; do developers have to modify their apps to take advantage of this feature? How does the user notice it?

Both of those require developers to use the feature in code
As for the original features, in the keynote they said "something we are working on for beyond Froyo" Which to mean could mean that its for between Froyo and Gingerbread, after all the code needed has all been added in Froyo

tomfreay said:
Both of those require developers to use the feature in code
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So, supposing a developer uses that specific feature in a certain app: would that mean that the app could only be used in 2.2 onwards? Or would older Android versions still be able to run it, albeit not using the feature?
A friend is developing a couple apps and he could use that information

lorin.bute said:
Gingerbread features or a mid update. Not in this release for sure. They said that loud and clear in the keynote.
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Yep. Before every one of these they clearly mentioned it.

frandavid100 said:
So, supposing a developer uses that specific feature in a certain app: would that mean that the app could only be used in 2.2 onwards? Or would older Android versions still be able to run it, albeit not using the feature?
A friend is developing a couple apps and he could use that information
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'm assuming that since it uses new APIs, that it could only be run on 2.2, but the features just seem not important enough to justify losing a ton of potential users.

GPS fix gets some media attention...finally.

Engadget posted an article today berrating Samsung and Tmo for allowibg the vibrant to ship in non-working form. Check out their editorial.
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http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/02/wheres-the-gps-fix-for-the-samsung-vibrant-and-captivate/

Update: We've just received an official statement from Samsung on the matter:
"Samsung Mobile is aware that under certain conditions, the GPS on our U.S. Galaxy S devices may not be meeting performance expectations. We are diligently evaluating the situation and will provide an update as soon as possible."

hopefully media attention will prompt samsung to addressing it as timely as possible

Kind of sad this is what it takes to get them to fix something. I don't think it's been determined whether it's just a software glitch, or something more serious like hardware that requires a revision. Software can be pushed to the phone, where a new chip can't.

thunderstruck! said:
Kind of sad this is what it takes to get them to fix something. I don't think it's been determined whether it's just a software glitch, or something more serious like hardware that requires a revision. Software can be pushed to the phone, where a new chip can't.
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They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter

Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?

The more media coverage, however late, this gets the better. Do you think apple would have moved so quickly on their "fix" were it not for the ridiculous media coverage?
I hope some more mainstream news outlets pick up on this. That might force more than a canned response from samsung.
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blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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the only issue I've had is once I turn on gps then open maps, it freezes maps to the point of a reboot needed. Other than that the gps works great
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heygrl said:
They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
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+1
i'm sure they are working on a fix. but they are working on 2.2, launching the epic, etc. as well. i'm fine waiting for a real fix, not some quickly hacked together patch that isn't properly tested.
or cm6, whichever happens first.
= P

blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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I wasn't at first either, but then it started. Every device has the problem, just not 100% of the time.
It will be fixed very soon, though. This is Samsung's top priority right now.

blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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no. I also didn't have issues with the GPS.
At least, not until I began thinking that I was just missing something and tried one of the "fixes" on my device. Now my GPS reception is noticeably worse than stock.

blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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Try this...disable "use wireless networks" under "location and security"(this will let the phone use JUST the GPS receiver), then download and install Googles "My Tracks" app. Run that app while driving a long distance, and see just how accurate your GPS is.

ultra spikey said:
Try this...disable "use wireless networks" under "location and security"(this will let the phone use JUST the GPS receiver), then download and install Googles "My Tracks" app. Run that app while driving a long distance, and see just how accurate your GPS is.
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Why would I want to disable that, though?
I don't doubt that the issue exists, but I'm not going to go out of my way to experience it. I'm no masochist...

If the phone is using Wireless Networks for a location fix in your car the accuracy would be awful and noticeably off.

heygrl said:
They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
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yes - especially if other media pick up on it, and verizon & sprint catch wind of it and actually test theirs before releasing - that would be the real pressure point on sammy

At least Samsung isn't saying this is our fault or round up a bunch of competitors' phones and say they have the same issues. The fact that they say they're evaluating the situation makes it sound like the fix isn't coming any time soon.

jkcheng122 said:
At least Samsung isn't saying this is our fault or round up a bunch of competitors' phones and say they have the same issues. The fact that they say they're evaluating the situation makes it sound like the fix isn't coming any time soon.
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+1
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Last time samsung had to "look into" something, behold 2 didn't get the upgrade it was promised.
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daddysays said:
Last time samsung had to "look into" something, behold 2 didn't get the upgrade it was promised.
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true, but nearly everyone knew the behold was a pile of crap from the get go.
the galaxy s is launching in over 100 countries, including every major carrier in the US. they are projected to sell over 10 million handsets. samsung lives or dies by this phone, IMO. i can understand frustration from their previous handsets, but if they drop the ball on the galaxy s, they might as well get out of the business all together.

Samsung removing Carrier IQ in their update builds

There has just been a leaked build called EL13 for the Samsung Epic 4G TOUCH. Yes the touch. In this build, CIQ has been REMOVED by Samsung. No dev has touched it and there were no traces of Carrier IQ.
It is a leaked build by samfirmware. This is huge news for anyone with a Samsung device. I'm wondering if these later Gingerbread builds for the Samsung Epic 4G Will have no CIQ.
Figured I'd let everyone know and give them hope that Samsung is moving in the right direction!

First!
That is great news. It shows that the minority (us who root their Android) are being heard.

And all it took was national news attention and a State Senator to get involved.

I suspect this to be true for the upcoming GB release.
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I don't think Sprint will go for it, but they might use this build to test other forms of CIQ, like Preloaded, After-market(Userinstallable) instead of Embedded like we have now.

Or just have it changed around and renamed.
Hidden from logs.
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I know this was about the Touch, but the latest rdf for the Epic 4G (EL09) still lists the same version of CIQ. RDFs have been inaccurate before, but here's what's listed in the EL09 Epic 4G rdf for what it's worth:
Code:
DiagnosticsProtocolVersion 1.1.0
DiagnosticsClientVersion 3.2.13
DiagnosticsClientVendor CIQ
Regardless, I've never been worried about CIQ. The more the facts come out, the less worried I am.

i'd love to see an official update with CIQ removed.. that would totally be their admission to knowing it shouldn't have been there, but only after it gets media attention do they change their stance on it...
Otherwise, I'll be perfectly happy running custom roms with it removed..

Come back when it's missing in a final build.

good to see CIQ gone in a leaked build at least

k0nane said:
Come back when it's missing in a final build.
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That's what I was thinking. Its just a test build, so it probably just hasn't been added in yet. Anything could happen, but I doubt it will be left out from the next update.

zanderman112 said:
That's what I was thinking. Its just a test build, so it probably just hasn't been added in yet. Anything could happen, but I doubt it will be left out from the next update.
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Sprint may be considering making this an opt-out service. I think that would require a less integrated version of CIQ that acts more like an apk.

pvtjoker42 said:
i'd love to see an official update with CIQ removed.. that would totally be their admission to knowing it shouldn't have been there, but only after it gets media attention do they change their stance on it...
Otherwise, I'll be perfectly happy running custom roms with it removed..
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'Privacy'.........(private data) a growing market.

poit said:
Sprint may be considering making this an opt-out service. I think that would require a less integrated version of CIQ that acts more like an apk.
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That is what I was thinking.

Hmmm......there's no EL13 rdf for the Epic Touch and since that is today's date it's odd that there would be a leak of it already, but there is an EL12. It lists the same CIQ version we currently have.:
DiagnosticsProtocolVersion 1.1.0
DiagnosticsClientVersion 3.2.13
DiagnosticsClientVendor CIQ
http://device.sprintpcs.com/Samsung/SPH-D710/EL12.rdf
So, WTF?

poit said:
Hmmm......there's no EL13 rdf for the Epic Touch and since that is today's date it's odd that there would be a leak of it already, but there is an EL12. It lists the same CIQ version we currently have.:
DiagnosticsProtocolVersion 1.1.0
DiagnosticsClientVersion 3.2.13
DiagnosticsClientVendor CIQ
http://device.sprintpcs.com/Samsung/SPH-D710/EL12.rdf
So, WTF?
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Ok, that is odd. I don't understand why they would do it for one and not the other...
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Bigger than the carrier.
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...q-but-big-brother-scare-tactics-are-overblown
Take it for what it's worth.

othan1 said:
Bigger than the carrier.
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...q-but-big-brother-scare-tactics-are-overblown
Take it for what it's worth.
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This article is taking a very small amount of information and making a HUGE jump to conclusions. All we know is that there is some mention of CIQ in a document that is involved in an active investigation. That doesn't mean that CIQ is being used by the FBI to snoop, it could just as easily (and likely) mean that the FBI is investigating CIQ at the request of some government official.

What I did like about that article was that it cleared up the misconception that ciq logs the acual message body of texts. The statement from treve is on point, because I believe in his video he implies that ciq is capable of doin that.
So kudos to the article on that one.
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The other thing you’re seeing (text message bodies in the video) is an unrelated screwup by HTC. HTC put debugging statements in their code, a common practice to help developers figure out what’s going on while they’re working on the phone. These debugging statements included code that outputs the bodies of incoming SMS messages. These printouts should have been disabled before shipping the phone, but for some reason that didn’t happen. So you seeing SMS bodies in the video actually has nothing to do with CIQ, and is an artifact of HTC failing to disable printouts that were intended for developers only.
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austin420 said:
What I did like about that article was that it cleared up the misconception that ciq logs the acual message body of texts. The statment from treve. Is on point, because I believe in his video he implies that ciq is capable of doin that.
So kudos to the article on that one.
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This was in the Cnet article:
While McCullagh notes that Carrier IQ is not guilty of keylogging, there are serious privacy concerns that need to be addressed. The software does report user data to wireless carriers, like what applications are used and web history.
So much for tethering, any apps for rooted phones and checking out the pornography sites.
I think we can all agree this is already too much of an invasion of privacy. The carrier can already pull text messages if they needed to.

Google Wallet Tap and Pay

Not sure if anyone has noticed....but on 4.4 Wallet does not give any errors during set up. I am S-Off, Super CID on ARHD 40.3 and I am on TMOUS. Have not gotten an opportunity to test yet...

It's been discussed. It works on 4.4
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Thanks,
so does that mean the Secure Element is out the window?

AirforcProductions said:
Thanks,
so does that mean the Secure Element is out the window?
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Google virtualized it, not sure if that means a physical implementation is going to go away entirely, but so far seems to be working.
http://www.smartinsights.net/Secure-Transactions-News/Google-bypasses-the-Secure-Element

RuleOfSines said:
Google virtualized it, not sure if that means a physical implementation is going to go away entirely, but so far seems to be working.
http://www.smartinsights.net/Secure-Transactions-News/Google-bypasses-the-Secure-Element
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Cool thank you for the article.
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AirforcProductions said:
Not sure if anyone has noticed....but on 4.4 Wallet does not give any errors during set up. I am S-Off, Super CID on ARHD 40.3 and I am on TMOUS. Have not gotten an opportunity to test yet...
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Yeah Google has said that for android 4.4 and up every device with a NFC chip will work with tap and pay because it no longer needs to look for the secure element or something like that but yeah it works been using it for a while now love it.

Now for them to release it in other parts of the world and really put a push behind NFC payments.
Putting my flame-retardant clothes on, but if Apple were to 'invent' tap and pay with their next device, the whole world would move very quickly to get on the bandwagon. Google should have similar ambitions.

mortstar said:
Now for them to release it in other parts of the world and really put a push behind NFC payments.
Putting my flame-retardant clothes on, but if Apple were to 'invent' tap and pay with their next device, the whole world would move very quickly to get on the bandwagon. Google should have similar ambitions.
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And then they'll sue Google for copyright infringement.

A huge security flaw has left 600 million Samsung smartphones at risk of hacking!

Unreal,
Read it here........
http://www.businessinsider.com/unpa...ung-smartphones-risk-hacking-nowsecure-2015-6
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cc999 said:
Unreal,
Read it here........
http://www.businessinsider.com/unpa...ung-smartphones-risk-hacking-nowsecure-2015-6
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From what I understand it has to be done on an unsecured network and has to be at the exact same time as you update the app. Making it next to impossible as a hacker would have to know your updating habits!
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Even with 600 million devices at risk, the chances that this exploit could ever be used is minimal because as mentioned above it required someone to do some pretty unlikely things on a network with a hacker

You guys act like you all work for some intelligence companies and hackers would give a **** to steal your data.
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Totally overblown and already being discussed in the S6 Edge forum (link). Here are the most pertinent posts:
tanjiajun_34 said:
I believe it should be easy to fix. I cannot try because I have have Swiftkey preinstalled but I believe these are the methods you can try...
1. Update the Swiftkey to the one on Play Store.
2. Disable the Swiftkey application. I believe all non Samsung system applications and some of Samsung's system applications should be able to be disabled. Swiftkey shouldn't be a problem...
3. You are here on xda so chances you will be rooting your phone I assume? If you have root, you can just uninstall it.
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droidzer1 said:
Totally overblown vulnerability article today on Swiftkey. Firstly I seriously doubt 600M phones have it. I just checked 8 Samsung phones from various carriers - Sprint, Verizon, US cellular - S3, S4's, S5's, Note 2 and 3's and out of those 8 only one had Swiftkey on it. Easy to uninstall or Freeze if rooted. I take this as a punch back from someone on the Apple fan club finding a minor and hard to exploit vulnerability in android since Apple just got hit big in the last week or so. If you didn't find one of the articles detailing this exploit here's the skinny: It only can be exploited if you are on Wifi and on the same Hotspot or router as a would be hacker. That hacker needs to do some fairly complex stuff to spoof a Swiftkey server and your phone has to be trying to download a language pack update. I'd say there is about a 1 in 600 million chance of that happening
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So, this pretty much sums it up in one word:
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Unreal
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Galaxy S6 Keyboard Security Fix
Hello all,
So we all know about the security flaw of the Samsung keyboard app that has affected the Galaxy S6, S5, S4 and other devices. Simply installing a third-party keyboard will not fix the problem. You need to completely uninstall it.
Source: http://www.naldotech.com/how-to-fix-galaxy-s6-keyboard-swiftkey-security-issue/
Note: Make sure to have a third-party keyboard installed or you will not be able to use the phone.
1. You need root access and Titanium Backup.
2. Open Titanium and go to Backup/Restore.
Scroll down until you find Samsung Keyboard 4.0 and tap on it.
Make a backup first and then press the uninstall button"".
This isn't the best solution but it will work for all the people who want to sleep well at night without the fear of the flaw.

there is nothing to worry about, don't connect to unsecure networks (but how often do you do that) and don't update the language packs when you are on one (how often do you do that? once during setup!!)

ive always preferred the google keyboard, thank you.

The bug is not in the app called "SwiftKey" that comes preinstalled or the one you might get from the Play Store, but in the stock Samsung keyboard app, which uses an SDK from SwiftKey (here referring to SwiftKey the company, not the aforementioned SwiftKey app) to do its word predictions. The vulnerability can be exploited (as I understand it) as often as this stock keyboard polls for language updates. Not sure how often that is, but it isn't user initiated, so it could happen at any time if the app polls for an update while the user is connected to a network with a malicious user on it. The best protection for the average user (as I understand it) is to simply avoid connecting to networks whose security you aren't absolutely certain of. this is the technical writeup where I got most of my info from, however, they do talk about a "Swift keyboard", which the other reputable sources I've seen (such as this SwiftKey article on the issue) clarify as the stock Samsung keyboard.

okay if I understand you correctly you are saying that the Samsung keyboard was developed using the SDK from swifty and the only way to not be vulnerable to this exploit is to remove the stock samsung keyboard and use a third-party alternative is that correct?
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OSI-813 said:
okay if I understand you correctly you are saying that the Samsung keyboard was developed using the SDK from swifty and the only way to not be vulnerable to this exploit is to remove the stock samsung keyboard and use a third-party alternative is that correct?
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If you are rooted and have the ability to completely remove it, I think that would probably get rid of the issue as well, but I can't say that definitively, and I can't say for sure what side effects that might have. (If someone who knows the internals a bit better would weigh in, I would appreciate some clarification on that point as well.) I know that just switching the default keyboard to a third-party isn't good enough. What I am doing until a fix comes out (which doesn't really differ from my normal behaviors, but that's beside the point) is basically only connecting to the wifi at home, work, and the university I am attending. I also added the update site (skslm.swiftkey.net) to my hosts file (using AdAway), which should block any traffic to the update site from leaving the phone.

OSI-813 said:
okay if I understand you correctly you are saying that the Samsung keyboard was developed using the SDK from swifty and the only way to not be vulnerable to this exploit is to remove the stock samsung keyboard and use a third-party alternative is that correct?
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You could just wait a few days, knowing that the risk is very insignificant in the first place:
Update: Samsung reached out to us to announce that it will soon patch the vulnerability through Knox. Read the full statement below:
Samsung takes emerging security threats very seriously. We are aware of the recent issue reported by several media outlets and are committed to providing the latest in mobile security. Samsung Knox has the capability to update the security policy of the phones, over-the-air, to invalidate any potential vulnerabilities caused by this issue. The security policy updates will begin rolling out in a few days. In addition to the security policy update, we are also working with SwiftKey to address potential risks going forward.
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Source: Phone Arena

They have to initiate the hack the SAME EXACT TIME you update your keyboard app...lol. You've got better chances of being robbed at gun point FYI.

bloodrain954 said:
They have to initiate the hack the SAME EXACT TIME you update your keyboard app...lol. You've got better chances of being robbed at gun point FYI.
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False. Anyone with a little programming knowledge and the right tools could easily set up a program to passively take advantage of this exploit. It doesn't require the user to do anything to the keyboard app, the app polls for updates to its language files every so often regardless of anything the user does. And all the attacker has to do is use software that's already out there that lets them write programs to intercept and alter web traffic. Heck, there's a proof of concept by the people at NowSecure that should be pretty easy to turn into a usable hack. An industrious hacker might not even have to be nearby, they could tuck a Rasperry Pi away in the corner of a starbucks and infect some phones that way. Are you at any risk in most situations? Probably not. But I still would make sure your phone doesn't automatically connect to unsecured wi-fi.

dustfinger314 said:
False. Anyone with a little programming knowledge and the right tools could easily set up a program to passively take advantage of this exploit. ....
An industrious hacker might not even have to be nearby, they could tuck a Rasperry Pi away in the corner of a starbucks and infect some phones that way. Are you at any risk in most situations? Probably not. But I still would make sure your phone doesn't automatically connect to unsecured wi-fi.
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Curious, how often are you on an insecure network? For me, basically pretty much never.

krelvinaz said:
Curious, how often are you on an insecure network? For me, basically pretty much never.
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Haha, also pretty much never.

dustfinger314 said:
False. Anyone with a little programming knowledge and the right tools could easily set up a program to passively take advantage of this exploit. It doesn't require the user to do anything to the keyboard app, the app polls for updates to its language files every so often regardless of anything the user does. And all the attacker has to do is use software that's already out there that lets them write programs to intercept and alter web traffic. Heck, there's a proof of concept by the people at NowSecure that should be pretty easy to turn into a usable hack. An industrious hacker might not even have to be nearby, they could tuck a Rasperry Pi away in the corner of a starbucks and infect some phones that way. Are you at any risk in most situations? Probably not. But I still would make sure your phone doesn't automatically connect to unsecured wi-fi.
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I'm curious, do you buy tinfoil hats in bulk or as needed?

bloodrain954 said:
I'm curious, do you buy tinfoil hats in bulk or as needed?
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I can't tell you that for security reasons.

I think you're more likely to be killed by a cow.

hese security flaws happen all the time and are blown out of proportion by people wanting to scaremonger. Tell me OP how many have been exploited