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Sooo,I'm kinda confused...

I been seeing lately the the new Mytouch HD has also been dubbed the Mytouch 4G which kinda makes no sense to me. My Mytouch Slide picks up the HSPA± signal alost everywhere I go (except in my house of course :l ) and from what I've read that's the only,techicnally 4G network,that T-mo plans to put out. So the MTHD being called the MT4G seems silly. Unless there's something I don't know,in which one of the great members of XDA could fill me in on =D
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While you can use the HSPA+ network and will see some boost, the Slide isn't made to handle the full bandwidth available to it. If you were to use it and the 4G side be side, I'm sure you'd see a considerable difference.

We can use towers that are rated 4G but will never reach the 21.1 Mbps. I thought hspa+ was their high end 4G, and standard 4G was just hspa. I only say that because UTMS is 3G, not hspa.

Except HSPA and HSPA+ are really expanded 3G services. 4G is LTE and Wimax. It's just that sprint's wimax is so slow.
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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.

Remember, when the iPhone 4g (or was it 3g?) came out, it was ONLY a name, it did not mean it supported 4g (or 3g) speeds...

ilama said:
Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.
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Agreed wholeheartedly! No service provider has 4g and out of them all Tmobile has the fastest data connection. If you are in a hspa + area.
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My phone stay on this speed. After I flashed that new rom with 2.2.1 I've had this "H" for a long time. That's the only network I get unless I'm in my house then I get edge coverage lolz.
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4G... not really 4G

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Plus the fact it's not even close to my area of living

yeah cell providers called it that cause it sounded good, and for them was technincally the 4th generation of mobile internet - but it is not what 4G officially stands for.... there IS NO real 4g networks anywhere, as the standards are in their infancy.

Old news. ITU said this a while back. It's funny, I talked to Verizon at their Chicago LTE launch event and they laughed and said, it's all marketing anyway, so who cares.
ITU has no teeth, so no one really cares.

WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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xHausx said:
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?

Pretty sure that article is way off. I agree that it's not true 4g, but tmobile's hspa+ doesn't even get close to 12mb. Most of the time it barely reaches 4-5mbs.

yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.

Cal3b said:
yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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You got me laughing with the AT&T still getting 3g to work well lol and there drop calls lol.

I don't know about the rest of you all, but I live in the central valley, CA and 4G is widely available throughout the region. I average from 6-10mbs down when I do a speedtest. But I only enable 4G when I really need it, otherwise my battery dies rather quickly.

drmacinyasha said:
Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
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Technically LTE and 801.16 in their current implications are called Pre-4G, however, the networks are being built as 4G networks. They are just not being utilized as such and the standards for both types of 4G aren't even finalized yet. They are fully packet switched networks with support for IPv6. The only place where the networks fall short is bandwidth, true 4G requires 100MB nominal speeds with at least 1GB peak. That can't happen until the standards are finalized.
T-Mo's HSPA+ is 3.5G and will never be 4G. There was a wired (I think) article just today saying they were thinking about chipping in on WiMAXs spectrum for their next generation network, aka 4G.
Edit: From the article:
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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[Q] 4G symbol instead of H for HSPA+ ?

Ok. I've pulled the images from the EVO dump of the 4G connection notification symbol...but how would I link them in a custom framework-res.apk to appear whenever I am connected to HSPA+? I would like to know when I have "4g Speeds" without going to About Phone, then Network.

This would be nice!
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agreed ...

Has there been any developements on this subject. Would be really nice to know when I am in 3G or a 4G area. It really should have came that way new

I would also love to see this in somebodys rom!

They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.

T-Fanatic said:
They could replace the 3G with a 4G, but not both because t-mobiles network is the same tech, just upgraded.
There is no way for your phone to distinguish this in the actual rom. Sorry if this dashes hopes.
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The phone's "about phone" section under settings can detect the difference between 3G (UMTS-HSPDA) and 4G (HSPA+), so why couldn't the same info be passed on to the ROM's data indicator?

Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+

Why would you want "4G" when the phone is not "4G"....
"H" is good enough for me. it is HSPA+
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HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds

kakabozo said:
HSPA+ is 4G now according to the International Telecommunications Union, so it is a 4g phone and capable of 4g speeds
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If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.

Normally that would be true but now legally due to the recent FFC ruling HSPA+ is considered 4G as part of another marketing gimmick by wireless provider. As they all wanted to push for it so now HSPA+ 21 now divide that by half is actually capped on the phone now divide that by half again and thats your actual speed lol. This is why TMo got away with claiming to be the largest 4G network in USA lol hence no one revolted not Sprint or Verizon as TMo beat them at their own game. As delivering 4G in 2010 is just another inside joke you won't believe how many morons would pay or upgrade their dataplan thinking 4G is better without actually getting anything IRL. I had an idiot who argue with me he was getting 4G service on a device that was not even 4G capable. I had to explain to him he is benefiting from the network upgrade but its still HSPA.

If you want to be "honest about it" Speed requirements for 4G are the peak download speeds are 100Mbits/S for mobile means of communications. HSPA+ is only capable of speeds around 56Mbits/S download.
Technically they (the ITU) have stated our current technology is "4G". but it all honesty, it's only like 3.8G.
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I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol

kakabozo said:
I agree with you on the fact that HSPA+ isn't true "4g", i just wanted to point out that people calling it 4g are in the clear....technically lol
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Yea i agree. I just cannot wait to see what is going to happen with true "4g" starts to roll out.
"Here at ____ have the first 4G system"
"wait i thought you said had 4G back in 2011"
"we did but that wasn't 4G, this IS 4G"

if we cant get the 4g to appear up at the top notification bar why cant we just create an application that polls the about phone for the HSPA+ or UMTS-HSPA and display an icon on the desktop that tells us which one it is? its not the best solution but at least when i'm on the home screen i can tell if i'm on 3G or 4G

THAT would be sooo cook. I hope someone figures out how to do it.
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Cool I meant. Lol.
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On CM7 it reads either 3g or H so you do know, but not on stock.
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Like this

Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?

cmstlist said:
Okay but "H" isn't what T-Mobile calls 4G. "H" just means HSPA, not HSPA+. The Mytouch 3G was capable of "H" speeds.
I have seen screenshots from Inspire 4G where you get an "H+" icon in HSPA+ to differentiate it from just plain HSPA. Maybe someone can figure out how to port that distinction over to your phone?
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H is hspa for tmobile there is no difference between hdsa and hspa for the notification bar the only way to tell is to run speedtest
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Lte

Lte requires sim cards right? So hopefully after sprint makes the upgrade to lte, we'll be able to buy sprint phones and use a sim card from any of the big 4! Dream come true in america, emirite?
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Sorry, meant we can buy any lte phone unlocked*
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That's what I heard. And supposedly it's not the micro ones either.

A_Flying_Fox said:
Lte requires sim cards right? So hopefully after sprint makes the upgrade to lte, we'll be able to buy sprint phones and use a sim card from any of the big 4! Dream come true in america, emirite?
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Not really...AT&T and Verizon are both going FDD-LTE on the 700mhz band...Sprint will get TD-LTE on the 2.5ghz~ range....
T-Mobile is going on their own HSPA/LTE hybrid variant...
So while Verizon and AT&T phones might be interchangeable (assuming they dont lock them say via some other method)..Sprint and T-Mobile will not be part of that...

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Not really...AT&T and Verizon are both going FDD-LTE on the 700mhz band...Sprint will get TD-LTE on the 2.5ghz~ range....
T-Mobile is going on their own HSPA/LTE hybrid variant...
So while Verizon and AT&T phones might be interchangeable (assuming they dont lock them say via some other method)..Sprint and T-Mobile will not be part of that...
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.......my heart.
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gTen said:
Not really...AT&T and Verizon are both going FDD-LTE on the 700mhz band...Sprint will get TD-LTE on the 2.5ghz~ range....
T-Mobile is going on their own HSPA/LTE hybrid variant...
So while Verizon and AT&T phones might be interchangeable (assuming they dont lock them say via some other method)..Sprint and T-Mobile will not be part of that...
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So which one would be better?

musclehead84 said:
So which one would be better?
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Better in terms of?

musclehead84 said:
So which one would be better?
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Verizons lte is on par with wimax so i assume that sprints would be better when they get it
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And higher spectrum means better building penetration, right?
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A_Flying_Fox said:
.......my heart.
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Well its not impossible for a device to support both TD-LTE and FD-LTE on a single chipset..but we would then have to buy international phones..cause knowing carriers they either won't include those bands or lock them :/
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And higher spectrum means better building penetration, right?
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700mhz is better building penetration over 2.5ghz..BUT how TD-LTE is allows carriers to use more spectrum...right now AT&T and Verizon plan to run it in 20mhz worth of spectrum each..realistically speaking that would constrain quantity of users/amount of data...(hence the tiered data)
Sprint right now though is running wimax in 10mhz of spectrum though..and could run it in 30mhz if they please..
So realistically speaking its easier to run TD-LTE as more spectrum is available in comparison to FD-LTE running at the limited 700mhz spectrum..while 700mhz spectrum though will offer betetr building penetration/signal

gTen said:
Well its not impossible for a device to support both TD-LTE and FD-LTE on a single chipset..but we would then have to buy international phones..cause knowing carriers they either won't include those bands or lock them :/
700mhz is better building penetration over 2.5ghz..BUT how TD-LTE is allows carriers to use more spectrum...right now AT&T and Verizon plan to run it in 20mhz worth of spectrum each..realistically speaking that would constrain quantity of users/amount of data...(hence the tiered data)
Sprint right now though is running wimax in 10mhz of spectrum though..and could run it in 30mhz if they please..
So realistically speaking its easier to run TD-LTE as more spectrum is available in comparison to FD-LTE running at the limited 700mhz spectrum..while 700mhz spectrum though will offer betetr building penetration/signal
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So its basically the 3g story again lol sprint has the better and same constant speeds no matter the load, but the signal won't be as strong lol. I can deal with that
And buyingunlocked international phones isn't bad...my friend only uses unlocked ones and they always have extra features compared to a branded one... and all he would have to do to activate it was slide his sim card in it. I hate how att/tmo users can effectively use any phone they want...I want this freedom with sprint/verizon
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A_Flying_Fox said:
So its basically the 3g story again lol sprint has the better and same constant speeds no matter the load, but the signal won't be as strong lol. I can deal with that
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Sprint's LTE will act like the current Wimax implementation because it'll be running at 2.5ghz. We all know how spotty it is, especially when indoors.
Verizon and AT&T, at 700mhz will act their current 3G service because it's very close to 800mhz. They'll probably have an easier time getting better coverage because they know the 800mhz frequency.
Personally, I'd rather be at 700mhz for LTE, at 2.5ghz, you lose to much coverage and I'm sure Verizon already has the limited bandwidth figure out. If they didn't they could be throwing billions of dollars down the tube.
I can't wait for Verizon handsets to hit the market. My Sprint contract just expired so I'm looking to jump ship.

A_Flying_Fox said:
So its basically the 3g story again lol sprint has the better and same constant speeds no matter the load, but the signal won't be as strong lol. I can deal with that
And buyingunlocked international phones isn't bad...my friend only uses unlocked ones and they always have extra features compared to a branded one... and all he would have to do to activate it was slide his sim card in it. I hate how att/tmo users can effectively use any phone they want...I want this freedom with sprint/verizon
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Well yes and no..thing is most international phones dont have the AT&T 3g band and don't have AWS (most common t-mobile 3g band) on same band as T-Mobile
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Sprint's LTE will act like the current Wimax implementation because it'll be running at 2.5ghz. We all know how spotty it is, especially when indoors.
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As I said its spotty because right now..
1) sprint is using only 10mhz of spectrum...
2) They are doing minimum deployments..aka the need mroe towers but being cheap...
Verizon and AT&T, at 700mhz will act their current 3G service because it's very close to 800mhz. They'll probably have an easier time getting better coverage because they know the 800mhz frequency.
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um..what?!?!
Personally, I'd rather be at 700mhz for LTE, at 2.5ghz, you lose to much coverage and I'm sure Verizon already has the limited bandwidth figure out. If they didn't they could be throwing billions of dollars down the tube.
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Yes its called Tiered Data plans...not fun...

Anyway, wouldn't the first crop of Verizon LTE phones still rely on 1x for voice and 3G EVDO/LTE for data?
So basically we're going to have a scenario where a Verizon LTE phone would be something like this CDMA 2000 1x/1900mhz EVDO/700mhz LTE,
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an ATT LTE phone might be like Quad band GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS 1900 (HSPA?)/700mhz LTE?

My 2 cents vzw & att are double what we pay for a premium phone service on sprint and not unlimited anything also have bad coverage. They nickel & dime the crap out of you on top of it. Also wimax has voice calling capabilities not just data. Lte for some reason can only do data. So maybe some new features with voice calling with wimax.
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jbadboy2007 said:
My 2 cents vzw & att are double what we pay for a premium phone service on sprint and not unlimited anything also have bad coverage. They nickel & dime the crap out of you on top of it. Also wimax has voice calling capabilities not just data. Lte for some reason can only do data. So maybe some new features with voice calling with wimax.
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Wimax for voice calling? I find that scary. In its current iteration its flaky enough just for data. I shudder to think how crappy voice calling would be on it. They seriously need to build it out a ton more. I walk in my house signal disappears....not encouraging.

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Wimax for voice calling? I find that scary. In its current iteration its flaky enough just for data. I shudder to think how crappy voice calling would be on it. They seriously need to build it out a ton more. I walk in my house signal disappears....not encouraging.
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At least you are lucky enough to have coverage...

Wimax doesnt do voice.....on the other hand, att and tmo 3g is voice/data
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Yes, the specifications for Voice over LTE have not been finished yet.
LordLugard said:
Wimax for voice calling? I find that scary. In its current iteration its flaky enough just for data. I shudder to think how crappy voice calling would be on it. They seriously need to build it out a ton more. I walk in my house signal disappears....not encouraging.
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Sprint is working on making a seamless radio..aka unlike now where you need to enable/disable 4g it would work in a way that even if 4g is disconnected your session would not be interrupted...same for calls..

LTE doesn't require a SIM card...Verizon is CDMA

[Q] 3g Vs 4G

Just curious because I'm not sure how this works but if Verizon switches to 4g like they keep advertising is the Fascinate going to be compatible? Or will everyone wanting 4G have to upgrade their phones?

the fascinate does not have the needed hardware for 4g connection.
however you will still have 3g on the fascinate... and 4G will take a while to spread to most of the country.

Well we should still get 3G coverage, but our phones to not support LTE(4G). I am not even going to bother with LTE until I have coverage where I live anyway. They have it in denver, but I only go up there once a month so it's basically useless. I spend more time at home and school and use the wifi, which is usually better than 4G.

This is from Verizon Q & A for 4g LTE
Can I use my current 3G device on the 4G Mobile Broadband network?
No, as Verizon Wireless introduces new services, such as 4G Mobile Broadband, you will need to purchase new 4G devices to take advantage of the 4G network. However, you will still be able to use your existing devices for the foreseeable future on our 3G network.

LTE = data surcharge and probably a cap
I'll stick to 3g.
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s44 said:
LTE = data surcharge and probably a cap
I'll stick to 3g.
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Possible, but not confirmed. Sprint was pretty up-front about the EVO and Epic requiring additional data plans when they were announced. Verizon has been quiet about it so far.
But then, they also haven't announced any devices yet, so they might be tied in there.
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s44 said:
LTE = data surcharge and probably a cap
I'll stick to 3g.
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There's a data surcharge and cap on 3g. Lte data will probably just cost more per month.
Considering the 2g network seems to be still active, you should be fine with 3g devices for a while.
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