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[Q] HSPA in Los Angeles and Tethering+making phone call

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I'm currently using the Vibrant with a download of 3-5.5Mbps Download in Los Angeles in the same area (downtown Los Angeles). My phone register only as 3G.
Does this change when it switches to HSPA+? What does the icon say (in the upper right corner)? I'm never seen it change to the "HSPA+ icon". Is there an HSPA+ icon? Or do I have to configure the phone from 3g to HSPA+?
While tethering with Samsung Kies, is it possible to make or receive phone call?
My handset states "MTP application" with a picture of a USB cable on the screen and it's non responsive during Tethering.
Thanks in advance!

Assuming you're on Tmo, there is currently no phone on the network that uses HSPA+ connections. The first will be the G2.
If you have HSPA where you are, you may already be connected, but the 3G up top won't change. Not unless the phone is programmed to. But I don't think most ROMs utilize this feature, since people were freaking out since Cyanogen did so.
Sent from my HTC Dream using XDA App

They freaked out because of the H icon, we get HSPA+ up to 7.2mb.

franky1029 said:
Assuming you're on Tmo, there is currently no phone on the network that uses HSPA+ connections. The first will be the G2.
If you have HSPA where you are, you may already be connected, but the 3G up top won't change. Not unless the phone is programmed to. But I don't think most ROMs utilize this feature, since people were freaking out since Cyanogen did so.
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Thanks for the info. Damn, maybe I should have jump ship to Sprint (EPIC)....Their 69.99+10 plan sounds mighty tempting....
Yes I have T-Mo at the moment..Loyalty Calling plan+400 message +Android (24.99) for 79.00 as well

Sprint 4G is slow. T-Mobile's HSPDA is faster and HSPA+ kicks its *** hard.

DarkAgent said:
Sprint 4G is slow. T-Mobile's HSPDA is faster and HSPA+ kicks its *** hard.
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QFT. Just get the G2 if you need that extra speed.

sfdentist1996 said:
Try the search function, and could not come up with the answer
I'm currently using the Vibrant with a download of 3-5.5Mbps Download in Los Angeles in the same area (downtown Los Angeles). My phone register only as 3G.
Does this change when it switches to HSPA+? What does the icon say (in the upper right corner)? I'm never seen it change to the "HSPA+ icon". Is there an HSPA+ icon? Or do I have to configure the phone from 3g to HSPA+?
While tethering with Samsung Kies, is it possible to make or receive phone call?
My handset states "MTP application" with a picture of a USB cable on the screen and it's non responsive during Tethering.
Thanks in advance!
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Samsung Vibrant is not an HSPA+ device. As of 9/11/2010 there are no true HSPA+ devices on T-Mobile yet, however the G2 coming soon... will be the first HSPA+ device.
Next, your Vibrant is already capable of up to 7mbps download, most people like myself already get 5mbps.
So my question to you is, why is HSPA+ which offers 7+mbps so important. I really don't understand what people do on their phones, for them to notice a difference between 5mbps and 8mbps. Really, what do you do on the internet, on your tiny 4 inch screen, that would make you notice the difference in 3mbps.
I also hope you tether responsibily. Meaning you use it in life and death situations. People who abuse tether is horrible, and will lead to T-mobile turning to tiered data plans.

I had a tmo tech tell me our phones will support hsdpa+ or w/e it is lol when it rolls outs with speeds of 21mb download. Maybe he was wrong?
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I was under the impression that the great thing about HSPA+ is that it's compatible with 3G phones.
Hmm... I guess I can't post links because I'm a new user. Anyway, copy and paste this link: youtube.com/watch?v=gGmUvFfizS8
Skip to 2:25
He flashed his Vibrant to Froyo using, I'm guessing, Eugene's build - the blue box on top will show 'H' every now and then.

Apexsilverevo said:
I had a tmo tech tell me our phones will support hsdpa+ or w/e it is lol when it rolls outs with speeds of 21mb download. Maybe he was wrong?
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Yes, he was wrong.
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sfdentist1996 said:
Try the search function, and could not come up with the answer
I'm currently using the Vibrant with a download of 3-5.5Mbps Download in Los Angeles in the same area (downtown Los Angeles). My phone register only as 3G.
Does this change when it switches to HSPA+? What does the icon say (in the upper right corner)? I'm never seen it change to the "HSPA+ icon". Is there an HSPA+ icon? Or do I have to configure the phone from 3g to HSPA+?
While tethering with Samsung Kies, is it possible to make or receive phone call?
My handset states "MTP application" with a picture of a USB cable on the screen and it's non responsive during Tethering.
Thanks in advance!
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The icon doesn't change but if you look in the settings>about phone>status mobile network type it will sometimes changes to hsdpa but then it changes back to umts, after the internet connection is not being used

There is SO much confusion here..
The Vibrant supports HSPA upto 7.2Mbps.
Although the Vibrant can't go all the way up to 21Mbps, it CAN take advantage of speeds up to 7.2Mbps and when anyone says the Vibrant will support HSPA+, this is what they mean - to an extent but not completely. The increased backhaul means that HSPA for everyone goes faster.
7.2Mbps is faster than most home internet connections
. My home internet is only 5Mbps. I would NOT be shocked if the G2 barely if ever goes above 7Mbps.. it's just a fact that we ALL share network traffic and if someone is streaming Netflix, Playing PS3 online, that we all see a reduction in speed.. so, until 42Mbps next year I wouldn't expect to see these huge increases in speed with a HSPA+ device.
Sprint's 4G network will be so spotty that it's not even funny. If you think T-Mobile in general is spotty you haven't dealt with Sprint and Clear. The 4G connection will drop out often if you move and will never make it inside of any building unless the tower is across the street and even then, the signal will be weak or nonexistant. You can't do Voice and Data at the same time with EV-DO REV.A
When you see the 3G icon, you can do calls/data at the same time but the MTP application limits what you can do with the phone, to solve this install WiFi tether or MobileAP.

Sooo,I'm kinda confused...

I been seeing lately the the new Mytouch HD has also been dubbed the Mytouch 4G which kinda makes no sense to me. My Mytouch Slide picks up the HSPA± signal alost everywhere I go (except in my house of course :l ) and from what I've read that's the only,techicnally 4G network,that T-mo plans to put out. So the MTHD being called the MT4G seems silly. Unless there's something I don't know,in which one of the great members of XDA could fill me in on =D
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While you can use the HSPA+ network and will see some boost, the Slide isn't made to handle the full bandwidth available to it. If you were to use it and the 4G side be side, I'm sure you'd see a considerable difference.

We can use towers that are rated 4G but will never reach the 21.1 Mbps. I thought hspa+ was their high end 4G, and standard 4G was just hspa. I only say that because UTMS is 3G, not hspa.

Except HSPA and HSPA+ are really expanded 3G services. 4G is LTE and Wimax. It's just that sprint's wimax is so slow.
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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.

Remember, when the iPhone 4g (or was it 3g?) came out, it was ONLY a name, it did not mean it supported 4g (or 3g) speeds...

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Well if you want to be technical, as it stands neither LTE or WiMax are 4G compliant.
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Agreed wholeheartedly! No service provider has 4g and out of them all Tmobile has the fastest data connection. If you are in a hspa + area.
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My phone stay on this speed. After I flashed that new rom with 2.2.1 I've had this "H" for a long time. That's the only network I get unless I'm in my house then I get edge coverage lolz.
send from mytouch 3g bruh

4G... not really 4G

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Plus the fact it's not even close to my area of living

yeah cell providers called it that cause it sounded good, and for them was technincally the 4th generation of mobile internet - but it is not what 4G officially stands for.... there IS NO real 4g networks anywhere, as the standards are in their infancy.

Old news. ITU said this a while back. It's funny, I talked to Verizon at their Chicago LTE launch event and they laughed and said, it's all marketing anyway, so who cares.
ITU has no teeth, so no one really cares.

WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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xHausx said:
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?

Pretty sure that article is way off. I agree that it's not true 4g, but tmobile's hspa+ doesn't even get close to 12mb. Most of the time it barely reaches 4-5mbs.

yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.

Cal3b said:
yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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You got me laughing with the AT&T still getting 3g to work well lol and there drop calls lol.

I don't know about the rest of you all, but I live in the central valley, CA and 4G is widely available throughout the region. I average from 6-10mbs down when I do a speedtest. But I only enable 4G when I really need it, otherwise my battery dies rather quickly.

drmacinyasha said:
Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
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Technically LTE and 801.16 in their current implications are called Pre-4G, however, the networks are being built as 4G networks. They are just not being utilized as such and the standards for both types of 4G aren't even finalized yet. They are fully packet switched networks with support for IPv6. The only place where the networks fall short is bandwidth, true 4G requires 100MB nominal speeds with at least 1GB peak. That can't happen until the standards are finalized.
T-Mo's HSPA+ is 3.5G and will never be 4G. There was a wired (I think) article just today saying they were thinking about chipping in on WiMAXs spectrum for their next generation network, aka 4G.
Edit: From the article:
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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4g

Hey guys just a question. I know rooting the Dell streak can get you on the hsdpa(or something like that) network but is that the 4G speed? If not is there a way right now to get 4G on the streak?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-everything-in-between-an-engadget-wireless-prim/
with that in mind, what do you define as 4g? if you are referring to hspa+ or lte, im not sure, but if you are referring to the actual definition of 4g then i doubt it, but we have to wait for it to be invented first

rptw said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-everything-in-between-an-engadget-wireless-prim/
with that in mind, what do you define as 4g? if you are referring to hspa+ or lte, im not sure, but if you are referring to the actual definition of 4g then i doubt it, but we have to wait for it to be invented first
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I was wondering when someone would do a write up of all that. I have yet to try AT&T's new 4G but I'm sure it's as fast as my rooted HTC Aria's HSPA+

You will not get 4g with the streak just 3.5g.
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4G is only the nick name of hspa, which already support hsdpa up to 10Mbps or more and also HSUPA up to 5.76Mbps. All those are 3G TECHNOLOGY as increasing slightly. All.the 3.5G and 4G are 3G tech which develope faster and faster.
3G comes with max speed 384kbps.
and then 3.5 come with HSDPA up to 7Mbps
then 4G comes with HSDPA upto 14Mbps and HSUPA 5.76Mbps
but truely no cellphone providr gave u that max speed as the costumers are sharing bandwidth.
To acces 4G u dont need dell.streak, u can use nokia 5800 which already support up to 4.6Mbps.
Its really depends on your device which is support hsdpa and hsupa , and also depends on your networks provider how fast they can give u. I believe that if u are inside the elevator u will have only gprs or even worst with no signal or sos symbol.
CMIIW ( correct me if im wrong )

I was actually wondering about this as well as AT&T is now advertising 4G "using our existing HSPA network" and after installing StreakDroid I'm seeing the H up top instead of a 3G. That said my speed is typically 2mbps - 3mbps which is somewhere around the 3.5 range mentioned above. Still much faster than I had on my iPhone (and sometimes faster than DSL when the network is having issues.)

I don't really care about this at all. I was just curious. Since it was out on the market now. Hopefully see you all soon on the STREAK side of life

AkumaMax said:
I don't really care about this at all. I was just curious. Since it was out on the market now. Hopefully see you all soon on the STREAK side of life
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The dell streak will never run on 4G speeds. The streak was not built to handle 4G. Sorry to break it to you.

Heck, I'd like it if at&t could at least offer 3g speeds.. I never even see 2m let alone 7s.. :-/

HSPA+ and the ATRIX - Email from my Corp. AT&T Rep.

My email to her is below. But here is her response. So just hold it out people. It is coming. The phone supports it. AT&T just needs to "Turn it on"
Hi Donnie,
This means that the 4g Atrix is going to be ABLE to use the 4G service once it is available however, we do not have the service alive yet therefore you will not get those speeds at this time. We are proactively working on getting the network upgraded. Houston is a HOT spot for this project so I know it will not be long.
Thank you,
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Email i sent to my at&t rep who handles my corp account of about 150 phones.
According to ATT Website the Atrix, supports “4G” By using HSPA+. Houston is a HSPA+ market, but we have been unable to HSPA+ service.
We contacted CS and they said it was prolly a down tower. But I do a lot of driving and know that one tower would not affect all of Houston. So we hit up Google, and the results are disturbing. Motorola says it does not support HSPA+. Yet att website says it does. Many sites say that AT&T has disabled it. We need to know the truth. We bought this phone because it is listed as a 4G phone, but it seems we were misled. If you would please research this and shed some light on the matter.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/331802#331802
http://www.att.com/network/assets/maps/Houston.html
Thanks,
Donnie
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More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.

Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.

clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.

Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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DrakenAlTi said:
Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
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Wow really? Theyre not pushing 4g, theyre pushing lte? LTE is 4g. What att is calling 4g now is not 4g its 3g with overhaul. 7.2 mbps? The iphone 3gs could theoretically achieve these speeds but not on att. I like the atrix bht i didnt buy it for (4g) speeds. NO NETWORK HAS TRUE 4G!!!!!!
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donniesd said:
Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
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We are talking about basic 3g they are disabling here ....nothing to do with hspa+.....
But you can believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

I know we're not getting HSPA+ speeds, but there's something even more. I have yet to see someone get more than 400Kbps UPLINK.
This is not just on AT&T.
Can someone ask an AT&T Rep about THAT!

Odd how my Captivate has HSUPA speeds yet my brother's Atrix doesn't... So much for the speeds not being available...

clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.

MarcMaiden said:
Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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that is great speeds... im in an area where there is no H+ yet, in greensbroo NC but Charlotte NC has it and we a re the next to get it in NC... and i am getting 3.8 but without the HUSPA, we are getting .3/.4 uploads... no matter how fast our DL's are without an upload to match it... those speeds are kinda pointless

"HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. ...
HSPA+ isn't enabled because"
Well, my phone shows "H+" up top, indicating it is enabled in this area. But AT&T has some clever ideas about hardware deployment. When I called to ask about some problems last year the rep said "Oh, I see there are a number of degraded towers in your area, that could be the problem." "Is there anything else I can help you with today?"
I said "Yes, can you give me Verizon's number? I'd like to ask them how there towers are." <WEG>
Hey, I know one's no better than the other in the big picture. But lord, does the FTC need to make the cellcos ALL COME CLEAN and stop the lies.

Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
"Question:
What is this "H+" icon on my phone's screen?
Answer:
The "H+" icon is a network indicator. When present, it lets you know that your phone is operating on our 3G or 4G network (where available). "
"Question:
How will I know if I'm on the 4G network vs. your 3G network? Is there any visual indicator on the phone's screen itself?
Answer:
While there is no visual indicator on the phone's screen that differentiates the difference between 3G and 4G data speeds, when experiencing 4G speeds your videos and streaming movies will download/play even faster, web sites will load even faster, and large files will download faster. "
"Question:
Will that "H+" icon ever change to something else? If so, what other icons might I expect to see and what do they mean?
Answer:
The H+ icon will remain lit while connected to either our 3G mobile broadband or 4G network (where available). Should you travel outside of those coverage areas and/or experience extreme network congestion, the icon may display EDGE or E while on our 2G data network or, in some instances, it will display GSM. "

Att rep for our company confirmed that they are working together with verizon to "pull the trigger" on 4g running at full throttle within the next couple of weeks. He showed me some emails and charts showing that they have installed verizon's hardware in their towers and are debugging it now. I did not see that "partnership" coming at all to be honest lol Keeping fingers crossed ))

Hawk375 said:
Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
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I noticed this up here after doing this MOD. Before the mod the notification bar only showed H+ all of the time. Now it bounced between 3G and H (not sure about H+). I am assuming the display I am getting now is correct.

hotleadsingerguy said:
HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
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Okay that makes sense but why is it though that other devices like my unlocked streak or nexus one get much higher upload speeds than the atrix? Is it something in their rom that is allowing them to get good upload and the atrix rom not allowing it to? Trying to make sense of it all.
Dell Streak powered by Streakdroid 1.8.1

Video with proof
It's obvious to everyone now, but I made a video that can easily be shown to anyone who doesn't believe the ATRIX has slower speeds than something like the iPhone.
Show this to AT&T and then they'll shut their mouth about "possibly a defective device."
www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=X5YMJT08N64&hd=1
I'm sick of this bs. Why cant this company live up to their promises?

the atrix isn't even an HSPA+ device, it has an HSDPA cat 10 modem...

The Atrix is supposed to have the HSPA+ transceiver in it. Whether it is disabled or does not work because the network blocks access since HSPA+ is not fully deployed is a question heavily discussed in other threads in these forums. However, you should realize the LTE requires a different transceiver, which reviews have indicated the Atrix does not have.
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?

wrayrb said:
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
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Yes, when I see the disaster with Verizon's first LTE phone the HTC Thunderbolt (still not released)....I wanna wait even a bit longer.....I don't wanna be the guinea pig for AT&T.