Rapid discharge of battery (not a battery life thread) - EVO 4G General

I'm not sure what just happened but I'm hoping y'all can shed some light on it. I was charging my Evo on Usb pulled it off read 88 percent, not thirty seconds later it died completely. It wasn't even able to power back on. Can any one tell me what happend.
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myns warm 2.2 Rls5
Netarchy 4.31 cfs havs
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battery might be toast.

Spoon201 said:
I'm not sure what just happened but I'm hoping y'all can shed some light on it. I was charging my Evo on Usb pulled it off read 88 percent, not thirty seconds later it died completely. It wasn't even able to power back on. Can any one tell me what happend.
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I've never been able to reliably charge my phone through my USB port since Froyo. It will say it's charging but it will actually be DISCHARGING. Creepy right? One time I was talking to someone on the phone while plugged in via USB and my phone; despite the charging LED being GREEN, actually died mid-call and would NOT turn back on for at least 5 minutes until the orange light stopped blinking.

Freeza that sounds almost exactly like what happend to me. I was unaware there was a problem with USB charging since Froyo. This was the first time I had really ever attempted to charge from USB.
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Spoon201 said:
Freeza that sounds almost exactly like what happend to me. I was unaware there was a problem with USB charging since Froyo. This was the first time I had really ever attempted to charge from USB.
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Well, when I was on Eclair (2.1) that's all I did was charge through USB. For some reason the update to Froyo has pretty much killed USB charging for me through most USB hubs. Plugging it directly into the back of my computer works OK I suppose. Maybe Google changed the current draw from hubs in Froyo or something. Needless to say, all I do now is charge from AC.

USB 2 ports can only give maybe 500ma so if your phone is using more than that it will take the rest from the battery. The wall charger on the other hand give a full Amp, 1000mA.

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Battery failure during 1st extended usb trickle charge

Well, I don't think I had seen any yet but I might be the first device/battery failure as a result of using one of the new superior charging kernels.
I have been using the Netarchy 4.2.2 beta kernal (aggressive with havs) I believe and everything has been fine for the past week or so.
This afternoon I plugged my phone into USB and laid down for a nap. I woke up not long ago and my phone is completely dead now. It will not power on or indicate that it is plugged in or anything. I don't have another battery to test, but could it just be a battery failure? Or is it possible the whole device is hosed?
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Well, I don't think I had seen any yet but I might be the first device/battery failure as a result of using on of the new superior charging kernel.
I have been using the Netarchy 4.2.2 beta kernal (aggressive with havs) I believe and everything has been fine for the past week or so.
This afternoon I plugged my phone into USB and laid down for a nap. I woke up not long ago and my phone is completely dead now. It will not power on or indicate that it is plugged in or anything. I don't have another battery to test, but could it just be a battery failure? Or is it possible the whole device is hosed?
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Anything is possible. Chances are that it was not the kernel though. Try a different charger and maybe a different battery. If all else fails take it in for repair.
How full was your battery before you plugged it in? You could try pulling the battery and waiting an hour or so before putting it back in and powering on.
I was down to about 30% when I plugged it in so it was getting a full charge. I remember getting a phone call during my nap that I ignored. When I finally got up the device was completely dark. I've got it unplugged and the battery out for now. Hopefully it will power back up in an hour or so....
If not I will have to try a buddy's battery in here tomorrow to see if that does anything. If not I'm simply out the device, there is no "taking it in for repair for me" unfortunately.
I hope it powers back up for you. If not, it would be good to try your friends battery so you could start trouble shooting.
Was this the original stock battery?
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Try a different cable. A little while back I thought my phone borked on me as it would not charge even though the charge light was on. When my wife's did the same thing I got suspicous and tried a different cable. Like magic, the problem went away.
I don't think the phone is hosed, might be just the battery, I had that exact situation happen to me back in december, when plugged in theres not even a light. I tried drastic measures to get it working even heating the battery to 120f for 5 min then letting it cool for 10 over and over, it finally worked when I got to a sprint store and they plugged it in to one of their wall chargers, I was shocked after hours of doing things with no results. to this day im still using the same battery and it has the same life as when new
still using sbc kernels too
been running SBC and have had no negative effects
Original red oem battery. I've tried my usb cable and my 2 wall chargers so far. Still no lights.
I did see the screen blip on for a fraction of a second a moment ago while pressing at the the power button, so that gives me glimmer of hope. About to see what happens with a car charger on the way over to my friend's to try another battery.
Wish me luck!
The fact that you where using the SBC can mean absolutely nothing. I have a friend with an Evo as well, I flashed every experimental kernel and Rom I can find and have had no real issue, hardware wise. Him, on the other had, had only updated via the Sprint OTA, never flashed any custom roms or kernels, never even Rooted.
one night while texting a reply to me, his phone flat out died. it was plugged in and everything, just went black and charge light went out. I put my battery in his phone the next day, swapped SD cards, etc,etc. nothing brought it back to life, it was gone.
Sprint actually replaced it for him, just tell them that you where simply charging it and it wouldn't turn on the next day. they won't be able to get it to boot up because it's dead.. no idea why his did it, I kindof feel that is what happened with yours. I don't think the kernel had anything to do with it.
Well it's been confirmed to be the battery by trying another one.
Today is the first time I've ever let the phone do an extended charge over USB using one of these sbc kernels and the battery just happens to take a **** during the process? That's one killer coincidence...
try the battery again tomorrow out after sitting for a bit, it will charge and work again
deathsled said:
Well, I don't think I had seen any yet but I might be the first device/battery failure as a result of using one of the new superior charging kernels.
I have been using the Netarchy 4.2.2 beta kernal (aggressive with havs) I believe and everything has been fine for the past week or so.
This afternoon I plugged my phone into USB and laid down for a nap. I woke up not long ago and my phone is completely dead now. It will not power on or indicate that it is plugged in or anything. I don't have another battery to test, but could it just be a battery failure? Or is it possible the whole device is hosed?
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This happened to me when I was using a Zendroid kernel a couple weeks ago. You should be able to just plug your phone back in and charge it again. The orange light may blink at first or not turn on for a couple minutes, but it should charge.
I'm honestly not entirely sure, though. I put my dead battery in my sister's Evo, and the light thing is what happened to me. I let it charge in my sister's phone, and it turned out fine. Worked in the morning. Hopefully, you can do it in your own phone if you don't have another way to charge it.
deathsled said:
Well, I don't think I had seen any yet but I might be the first device/battery failure as a result of using one of the new superior charging kernels.
I have been using the Netarchy 4.2.2 beta kernal (aggressive with havs) I believe and everything has been fine for the past week or so.
This afternoon I plugged my phone into USB and laid down for a nap. I woke up not long ago and my phone is completely dead now. It will not power on or indicate that it is plugged in or anything. I don't have another battery to test, but could it just be a battery failure? Or is it possible the whole device is hosed?
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4.2.2 should not have SBC.
It would not be surprising to hear that a stock battery just quits working. Sprint replaces these for peeps all the time. Li-Poly batteries are cheap to produce and like anything else, there are always bad ones in the bunch.
Seriously doubt it was caused by whatever is loaded on the phone otherwise there would be more coming up with same issue. Unless there is something with the beta and USB charging method. Still doesn't sound very likely.
deathsled said:
Well it's been confirmed to be the battery by trying another one.
Today is the first time I've ever let the phone do an extended charge over USB using one of these sbc kernels and the battery just happens to take a **** during the process? That's one killer coincidence...
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What does your Battery Monitor Widget log say?
deathsled said:
Well it's been confirmed to be the battery by trying another one.
Today is the first time I've ever let the phone do an extended charge over USB using one of these sbc kernels and the battery just happens to take a **** during the process? That's one killer coincidence...
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That is a killer coincidence...but I do believe it is just a coincidence. I am at CES right now (well prep meetings and such) and the only way I charge when I travel is through USB. I have been using the 4.3 with SBC straight off of Net's thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763) and have had no issues. Good to see you have your phone back, but I am willing to bet it was a faulty battery, not the kernal.
Hope it doesn't turn you away from the SBC kernals, it is so much nicer to see it stay between 100% and 90% for hours on end instead of 10 minutes like before.
It's the kernel from my experience mostly tied to sbc kernels. My phone did the exact thing. I mean exact. Pulled battery, used different cables etc. One thing I did not use was the OEM HTC charger. I have PCs around me all the time or the car charger. My phone died in my room where I have other wall mounted usb chargers. Didn't think anything of it. A few hours later phone died. It was 54% or so when I plugged it in. I came back to a dead phone. Nothing i tried initially worked. Sprint tech support same thing. I knew they couldn't resolve it. I have spare batteries but this OEM battery was too new. I wanted to know the problem so as to not repeat it. Sprint offered to replace my phone but I said let me get back on that. Since I knew the kernels were playing with voltage and that over or under voltage can mess with the phone. I plugged the OEM HTC wall adapter in and sure enough I had a orange blinking light. I waited for a few mins. Booted into recovery and installed a nandroid backup with sense. It booted great and guess what my battery percentage was? 55%. The battery did not die but the system shut down and it wanted the exact voltage from the HTC charger to kick start it. Since then for me personally I have stayed away from sbc kernels. It might work for some but not for me.
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mrmomoman said:
It's the kernel from my experience mostly tied to sbc kernels. My phone did the exact thing. I mean exact. Pulled battery, used different cables etc. One thing I did not use was the OEM HTC charger. I have PCs around me all the time or the car charger. My phone died in my room where I have other wall mounted usb chargers. Didn't think anything of it. A few hours later phone died. It was 54% or so when I plugged it in. I came back to a dead phone. Nothing i tried initially worked. Sprint tech support same thing. I knew they couldn't resolve it. I have spare batteries but this OEM battery was too new. I wanted to know the problem so as to not repeat it. Sprint offered to replace my phone but I said let me get back on that. Since I knew the kernels were playing with voltage and that over or under voltage can mess with the phone. I plugged the OEM HTC wall adapter in and sure enough I had a orange blinking light. I waited for a few mins. Booted into recovery and installed a nandroid backup with sense. It booted great and guess what my battery percentage was? 55%. The battery did not die but the system shut down and it wanted the exact voltage from the HTC charger to kick start it. Since then for me personally I have stayed away from sbc kernels. It might work for some but not for me.
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Um, SBC and undervolting/HAVS aren't the same thing.
SBC is a new, experimental charging method that "just" came out.

i've given her all she's got, but i believe she's gone

x10 has been on the charger for over an hour, still sitting at 1%, lol
when i went to bed at 2:40am, it was at 40%, woke up at 7:30am to 14%, got to work at 8:45am, it was at 4%. been plugged in since about 9am (10:19am now), and it's still at 1%. red LED is on, phone works, but shuts down shortly after unplugging it.
nothing running in the background, airplane mode on.
don't know if it's the battery, or the phone, but it's going back today. and i'll be getting something other than the x10. probably something other than android at this point (4th android device).
this is really weird since i have never had a battery issue up until this morning. the battery always lasted atleast a day an a half.
Is there really an os superior to android at this point?
webos is pretty killer but palm phones suck so far (though the hp pre 3 looks incredible)
at this point?
no
in the future for some current os?
yes
i'm not looking superiorority, just something else.
*UPDATE:
plugged the cable into a different usb slot, apparently that was the problem, lol. it's up to 4% now.
svtfmook said:
at this point?
no
in the future for some current os?
yes
i'm not looking superiorority, just something else.
*UPDATE:
plugged the cable into a different usb slot, apparently that was the problem, lol. it's up to 4% now.
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I suggest you to charge in the wall socket. Usb is way too slow.
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Its happen to me once a while especially when I change my Rom...What I do is turn off my phone and pull out the battery for few minutes and put it back and charge it..If the battery do not heat up when you charge then the battery is charging but if it become hot than usual repeat same procedure..
G-FACE said:
I suggest you to charge in the wall socket. Usb is way too slow.
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yeah, but wall charging discharges faster. slow trickle charging is better for the battery.
svtfmook said:
yeah, but wall charging discharges faster. slow trickle charging is better for the battery.
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This is not true. You can see how my phone is going charged in wall socket.
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if you're going to use usb, then expect it to charge slow, also charging it via plug is better and doesn't discharge faster :\
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This is not true. You can see how my phone is going charged in wall socket.
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You're correct... the only reason it would appear to discharge quicker is because of the added heat as the phone/battery gets warmer when using the wall charger.
Otherwise the discharge rate would be exactly the same for both methods
Well...u could try "OFF mode" charging. 2.2. see that works or nt...
Svt try this, this works for me.
Flash back too 2.1 stock s.e fw. Go charge for 100% .
It should fix the problem.
When you flash custom rom clean bat stat. Note- dont clean bat stat again when your in a running custom rom.
I have this problem too on j's rom v12. im 100% charged, and try to plug again the charger its charging but the bat is decreasing, weird hehe.
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fiscidtox said:
You're correct... the only reason it would appear to discharge quicker is because of the added heat as the phone/battery gets warmer when using the wall charger.
Otherwise the discharge rate would be exactly the same for both methods
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It gets warm but not so much. And very important thing is when you charge in wall to turn off charging right after it reaches 100%. It's not healthy to leave it in.
G-FACE said:
It gets warm but not so much. And very important thing is when you charge in wall to turn off charging right after it reaches 100%. It's not healthy to leave it in.
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it gets much warmer than by usb as the current is double....
That's why it would appear to discharge quicker until the battery cools down.
fiscidtox said:
it gets much warmer than by usb as the current is double....
That's why it would appear to discharge quicker until the battery cools down.
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Exactly!
According to my experience, that is the only difference between charging via USB and on the wall. If you do the latter, it appears to be discharging faster at first, but after it settles, it holds the charge just as well.
Ok, you can see my battery temp when charging trough wall socket. When not charging the temp is about 34 degree. So wall charging doesn't make the phone too heat more than a usb.
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I beg to differ..mine is much warmer on the wall charger than when charged via usb... Especially during the end of the charge
Rather dramatic title!
I was expecting an equally dramatic story, but pfft! haha
svtfmook said:
x10 has been on the charger for over an hour, still sitting at 1%, lol
when i went to bed at 2:40am, it was at 40%, woke up at 7:30am to 14%, got to work at 8:45am, it was at 4%. been plugged in since about 9am (10:19am now), and it's still at 1%. red LED is on, phone works, but shuts down shortly after unplugging it.
nothing running in the background, airplane mode on.
don't know if it's the battery, or the phone, but it's going back today. and i'll be getting something other than the x10. probably something other than android at this point (4th android device).
this is really weird since i have never had a battery issue up until this morning. the battery always lasted atleast a day an a half.
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Do yu have custom rom?
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Well that was weird.

When I got home from work, I put my phone on my USB charger since it was at around 14%. This was about 5:30. When I went to sleep I checked on my phone, and it was at about 40%, which I thought was unusually slow, but I kept it on the charger. When I woke up this morning (on my own, luckily, since it's my alarm clock too) I noticed my phone was dead. But it was still plugged in.
The light wasn't blinking or on or anything, so I figured maybe it just froze and pulled the battery and tried turning it in.
Well it still didn't turn on, so I plugged it back in. Now the orange light is blinking which I gather means the battery is completely dead. Good fun indeed. Hopefully it'll eventually charge.
Once in a while mine refuses to charge and I have to reboot it for it to recognize the charger.
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Yeah that's happened to me too
Ditto... I just shrugged it off as a fluke.
Happened to me once as well.
are you running an sbc kernel?
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OneStepAhead said:
are you running an sbc kernel?
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I wasn't at the time. Was running stock kernel w sense rom.
I have been running an SBC kernel. I heard all the rumblings about it being bad for the battery, and I guess that it might be true after all. I think my battery is well and truly shot. I got it to charge on the AC charger and it died within 4 hours again. I have an extended battery, that I am using now. I plan on jumping ship to the Nexus S when it is released (hopefully later this month), so I'm not too worried.
I'd been getting phenomenal battery life until then though (just before I had to charge it, it lasted 2 days and a few hours for example).
I thought it would die a slower death than basically immediately, I guess.

[Q] 3 Hours of Charging = 30% Battery

I'm unsure what's wrong!!!
My phone has been fine, until it died today. I practice a 1 charge a day rule and I let my battery drain completely before I even think about putting it back on the charger.
Today, my phone died a littler earlier than expected, but that's okay because I was using my iPhone for most of the day. I got home at about 11PM and put my phone on the charger at 11:15PM. Here it is, 2:25AM and my phone only has 30% charge.
I've never noticed it charging this slowly before because I typically put it on the charger before I go to sleep and take it off when I wake up. This doesn't seem normal from ANY phone that I've ever used or troubleshooted in my life.
Why so slow? Is everyone's phone just as slow or should I be concerned?
Edit: I am using the charger that came with my phone in the same wall outlet that I've used since I got the phone. Nothing else is plugged into that outlet, either.
It would seem sensible to try a different charger and power outlet.
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Your should be at 100% in that 3 hours. Try using a tablet wall charger.
With my phone, sometimes it charges in a flash, and sometimes it's charging for hours, idk why they do this.
drpepe said:
It would seem sensible to try a different charger and power outlet.
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I don't have another charger. All I own is Apple products, unfortunately.
I've done other other outlets throughout the house before posting, but I wouldn't see why the one I'm using is compromised in the slightest. It's charged the phone fine since I've gotten it.
dralways said:
Your should be at 100% in that 3 hours. Try using a tablet wall charger.
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The only Tablet I have is my iPad. I was thinking about just using the A/C adapter, but I was worried that that might mess something up with my luck. LOL.
You can't use the iPhone\iPad chargers as most of them don't comply with the USB charging standard (It will only charge at 500ma, the limit of USB charging).
You said it died quicker than usual as well? Sure nothing is running that drains the battery? Check the battery usage in settings after leaving it unplugged a while and see if you see anything that's using a ridiculous amount of battery.
I've had the same problem. Sometimes I plug mine into a wall charger and it reads Charging (USB) which may be your problem. Other times it reads Charging (AC).
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xrsxj said:
You can't use the iPhone\iPad chargers as most of them don't comply with the USB charging standard (It will only charge at 500ma, the limit of USB charging).
You said it died quicker than usual as well? Sure nothing is running that drains the battery? Check the battery usage in settings after leaving it unplugged a while and see if you see anything that's using a ridiculous amount of battery.
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It's been off of the charger for about an an hour and a half and nothing out of the norm is draining the battery. Screen on time is at 40%, but that's because I was reading all of my sports news and stuff from my device.
Interesting thing to note: I'm at 79% on my Nexus 4 after about an hour and a half unplugged and doing regular browsing. I'm at 98% on my 4s with doing just about the same things as I've done on my Nexus 4, and even watching a YouTube video on my 4s. I've also had a great deal of voice calls and texts this morning to my iPhone. They were neck and neck when I first got my N4 on December 10th. Now, it's dying faster. The only difference is that I've installed Spotify on my Nexus 4 since then... Which isn't running.
Chinese281 said:
I've had the same problem. Sometimes I plug mine into a wall charger and it reads Charging (USB) which may be your problem. Other times it reads Charging (AC).
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It was reading USB last night! I thought that was normal, lmao... Thinking it meant "there is a USB cable charging it and not wireless charging."
Hm... The plot thickens, I guess.
Yeah it sometimes reads USB but if you unplug then plug it back in, it will change to AC. Not sure how to fix it but that's your problem right there.
Question: are you stock, rooted stock, or different ROM?
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Battery going bad?

So I have a rooted s4 running PAC-man rom on ktoonz kernel but before that I was on infamous alpha and using bioshock 2.0 kernel. Just a couple days ago I've noticed my battery has been really slow to charge. This morning I noticed it was actually losing battery life while on the charger. I tried calibrating it and draining dead then letting it sit.... Well it's been turn off on the charger for over an hour. When I turned it on it was only at 18%. During this time of my typing this.... It's dropped to 17 while on the charger. How can I tell if it's the battery or the charger. I only have one of each so I can't use different one. I've included some screens of my battery. i also noticed when i plugged in my phone to the computer the computer gave me a this would run better using a 2.0 usb.....thats never happened to me before
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SkizzyNinja said:
So I have a rooted s4 running PAC-man rom on ktoonz kernel but before that I was on infamous alpha and using bioshock 2.0 kernel. Just a couple days ago I've noticed my battery has been really slow to charge. This morning I noticed it was actually losing battery life while on the charger. I tried calibrating it and draining dead then letting it sit.... Well it's been turn off on the charger for over an hour. When I turned it on it was only at 18%. During this time of my typing this.... It's dropped to 17 while on the charger. How can I tell if it's the battery or the charger. I only have one of each so I can't use different one. I've included some screens of my battery. i also noticed when i plugged in my phone to the computer the computer gave me a this would run better using a 2.0 usb.....thats never happened to me before
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Try using a different charger first. If that doesnt help try a different rom . also try charging with wifi and screen off
I've done all of them and so far the same result... But i had a buddy of mine bring over his s4 charger and it charged fine..... When i use his die hard calibration says AC plug in. With my charger it says USB..... I'm not really sure how to fix it other than buying a whole new charger
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Sounds like there is a cracking in the solder of the data pins inside the charging block. They are shorted together to tell the phone that it is plugged into a regular outlet. What seems to be happening is that there is a faulty connection with them making the phone think it is on USB and making it only pull 500mah.
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graydiggy said:
Sounds like there is a cracking in the solder of the data pins inside the charging block. They are shorted together to tell the phone that it is plugged into a regular outlet. What seems to be happening is that there is a faulty connection with them making the phone think it is on USB and making it only pull 500mah.
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As a short term fix till I get a new one can I use fast charge with my kernel to trick it into thinking it's not broken?
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