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Different WinMo 6.5 Version extra for HD2?

Hi Folks,
i know, we had this question several times before, but nobody asked this special question:
Is our WinMo 6.5 Version different to other Devices?
I remember the WM6.5 ROM from my beloved Blackstone. There was an Option to lock every Button except the power button to wake up my device. Know, in the actual WM6.5 version from my LEO, this point has gone.
I don´t believe that we have an extra written WM6.5 Version. So in fact there must be a way to get back this setting in WM-Settings menu.
Does anybody know where to change the registry, or if a WM-File is missing in our Device?

Candy-men said:
Hi Folks,
i know, we had this question several times before, but nobody asked this special question:
Is our WinMo 6.5 Version different to other Devices?
I remember the WM6.5 ROM from my beloved Blackstone. There was an Option to lock every Button except the power button to wake up my device. Know, in the actual WM6.5 version from my LEO, this point has gone.
I don´t believe that we have an extra written WM6.5 Version. So in fact there must be a way to get back this setting in WM-Settings menu.
Does anybody know where to change the registry, or if a WM-File is missing in our Device?
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yes and no. at the CORE level, it is the SAME WM6.5 released by microsoft.
however, like any "good" OS meant to be for different devices (*cough* NOT iOS *cough*), microsoft allows a fair deal of customization/branding/tweaking by the vendor and/or end user.
thus, HTC has hacked it left and right to provide:
1. their own "Sense" interface and "manila SDK" (this SDK allows you to create apps that have snazzy looking sliders and checkboxes and better looking message boxes, etc)
2. their own pinch to zoom hooks
3. their own philosophy of what is available in the windows mobile settings. out of the box, the windows mobile settings are BLOCKED in entirety. similarly, the owner information section is hidden.
4. their own philosophy of which button(s) can wake the device. the previous "standard" for WM and HTC used to be a single dedicated button to wake the device. this particular point is also managed by the DRIVERS of the HD2 platform, so it is not JUST the version of WM that is preventing you from achieving full control on the buttons but also the drivers that matter a lot.
5. and many more!
the theme is that microsoft provides the CORE BUILD (indicated by the build number) and this usually includes new APIs and features under the hood while the vendor is often free to customize to a great extent. for developers, it is largely the CORE BUILD+native APIs and SDKs+.NET Framework+Third Party APIs and SDKs that matter. however, some of HTC's customizations do get in the way.

I know this might not be part of the question but I wonder if you can downgrade your HD2 to WM 6.1 or less and would it run faster since their more ram and memory.

Okey, thx for the fast answers...
I´m asking myself now if any cooks from the XDA-Devs can cook a ROM with this feature from WM6.5 ?
Is this possible?

You can see if Energy's Titanium ROM is what you want. I believe it completely strips Sense.
Energy ROM Thread

[Q] Can HD2 run Android Apps(on WM 6.5)

Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO

I believe there was originally an Android emulator running on WM, but it was slooooooooow!!! There's a whole slew of reasons as to why an Android emulator won't run well on WM, memory being the obvious main one. That's why Android ports were developed to run off the SD card, first dumping Windows from the memory and then running Linux.
Depending on your development experience, you may want to look into programming for Android anyway, if that's where your interest lies. If you've done anything like C# (or other .Net based language like VB.Net) then it's not that big a leap. If you've already done Java development then it's really not a problem - you just need to learn the Android SDK.
If you are intersted, have a look at the following tutorial...
http://www.vogella.de/articles/Android/article.html
It's a great starting point for Android development. It walks you through setting up the dev environment and then a few simple apps to get you going. Any OO experience you have will definitely help. (It may actually prove difficult without it - I can't say for sure.)
Hope this helps

themegastar1 said:
Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO
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I just did a search on your question. And from all the sites i've seen they all come up with the same answer: "no"
The two systems are too far apart from each other to be able to 'port' or emulate it apparently.
At least, this is what i found. Maybe some others might have more luck.

Problem still Not Resolved.
I read both of Your Comments, but still problem is not resolved. johncmolyneux you have told me that there is an emulator(Slow ones), can u tell me the name of that emulator? And I don't want to install android. I have given thanks to you both, but still My problem is not resolved. I need a way to run android apps on wm 6.5.

themegastar1 said:
I read both of Your Comments, but still problem is not resolved. johncmolyneux you have told me that there is an emulator(Slow ones), can u tell me the name of that emulator? And I don't want to install android. I have given thanks to you both, but still My problem is not resolved. I need a way to run android apps on wm 6.5.
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It was about 8-9 months ago so no, I'm afraid don't know the name, but it was on xda so you can search the forum for it.
Let me put it clearly though. The emulator was so slow that it was immediately dropped and no-one ever used it. It's basically Windows, running a Linux emulator, running Android. It was terrible and unusable.
Why is it imperative that you run Android apps on WM? If you explain then maybe we can understand more and hopefully offer more constructive help.

Why I want to run Android Apps on WM.
The Reason for this is- I need Google Goggles for my HD2 and some other apps too. But Windows Mobile Technology is Better, Easy to Use and Expensive. And HTC offers HTC Sense along with HD2 which makes it more easy to use and attractive too. These all things are not possible by using Android. But Android has a big App Marketplace. This is the reason why I want to run android apps in WM.

Okay, I'll make it very clear then. You will not get this. The only solutions available are to find a version of google goggles on WM (not likely), or to run Android on your phone.
You can run it from the SD card, but it does mean a restart every time you want to switch from WM to Android and then back again.
Also, there are many Android builds available that include HTC Sense. There's some very nice Desire HD builds out there.
Sorry to give bad news, but you are not going to get what you're asking for.

OK! Necessity leads to invention!
Ya, but still, IF I make something then the problem will be resolved. I'm thinking to make Android Emulator in this Summer(May-June 2011). If I made it, then it will be good for all WM users, so nobody will switch to Android to get all apps. Anyway, johncmolyneux thanks for your efforts. By the way, Which Phone you are using. And with which OS(WM/Android/Bada/Ubuntu/S40/S60/Symbian 3rd Edition or any other) you are using? Necessity leads to invention!
Regards
Arun Wadhwa
Themegastar1 Owner
Please give me THANKS!!!!!

Well good luck with that mate - I think you'll need it
I'm using a Nexus One Gingerbread ROM at the minute. It's fast and stable - everything works just like a native Android device!

You do realize that you can boot into Android from Windows mobile on your hd2. That way you have winmo still on your phone, and when you need to use Android, you can use haret.exe to boot into an Android build running from the SD card. You have to restart the phone to get back into Windows mobile, but that only takes a minute or 2. And it only takes a minute to boot into Android. This way you can run both OS's on your hd2.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

themegastar1 said:
Ya, but still, IF I make something then the problem will be resolved. I'm thinking to make Android Emulator in this Summer(May-June 2011). If I made it, then it will be good for all WM users, so nobody will switch to Android to get all apps.
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Excelent example of high achievment goal.
So what you need?
Remapping all Android API to WM API with necessary additional functionality, so running whole Android emulator will be not necessary. This will save memory and gain some speed.
Similar to already known solutions on Linux platform which can run Windows applications on several platforms like winehq.org.
How much effort will be necessary?
Depends on which applications area that has to be covered.
Depends on knowledges about both operating systems.
Depends on accessibility to source code of the system and the applications which supposed to run with this framework.
Is summer vacations enough?
Future will reveal, but if you really are genius, please turn to good side
So this project will be definitely something which people will pay for, those who has WM favorites programs and are not willing to change the whole system to run some new.
Anyway aplications will be maybe running, but most of them will miss the stability and advantages of the Android operating system.

pedroxxx said:
Excelent example of high achievment goal.
So what you need?
Remapping all Android API to WM API with necessary additional functionality, so running whole Android emulator will be not necessary. This will save memory and gain some speed.
Similar to already known solutions on Linux platform which can run Windows applications on several platforms like winehq.org.
How much effort will be necessary?
Depends on which applications area that has to be covered.
Depends on knowledges about both operating systems.
Depends on accessibility to source code of the system and the applications which supposed to run with this framework.
Is summer vacations enough?
Future will reveal, but if you really are genius, please turn to good side
So this project will be definitely something which people will pay for, those who has WM favorites programs and are not willing to change the whole system to run some new.
Anyway aplications will be maybe running, but most of them will miss the stability and advantages of the Android operating system.
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I think I got some of the Ideas, I have to Create a platform build on Windows Mobile with the help of WM API, it will require Android SDK too. If I will create an app that has the compatibility of Android, I could name it as Emulator. Means just another platform running on a OS.

i would donate for this...
work hard guys..gudluck!

Mango Developer Tools Available for download

Developer News: Beta Mango Tools Available Today
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Start a Windows Phone project and get ready for Mango with the new Beta Windows Phone Developer Tools 7.1
First the tools. Developers can use this beta release to get ready for the upcoming Windows Phone OS release. The new application platform capabilities coming in Mango deliver the top features you have asked for:
- Background processing
- New profiler and emulator for testing
- Use of Silverlight + XNA together
- Silverlight 4
- IE9 web browser control
- Live Tile enhancements: use of back of tiles and ability to update Live Tiles locally
- Deep linking into apps from notifications and Live Tiles
- Additional sensors; direct camera access, compass & gyro
- Fast application switching
- Networking / sockets for communications
- Local SQL database for structured storage
- Access to calendar and contacts for apps

Can we, developers, use a pre-release on our phones?

personally .. idc if i have to get it in a private message and it isnt posted online for the world ..
I am tired of not having an unlocked NODO focus ..
just because once you apprently install NODO and dont actually backup your backup file you get bonned and cant reset it back to 7004 or 8 ..

If Instagram were to create a WP7 app, now that they have direct access to the camera, would it work on current phones? Or would these apps only run on phones that have mango installed?
What I'm basically curious about is whether we have to wait until Mango before we see apps taking advantage of the new SDK, APIs etc.

Shadowise said:
If Instagram were to create a WP7 app, now that they have direct access to the camera, would it work on current phones? Or would these apps only run on phones that have mango installed?
What I'm basically curious about is whether we have to wait until Mango before we see apps taking advantage of the new SDK, APIs etc.
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You have to wait to mango.. New apis just work on Mango

Its been said there is a MANGO BETA version to download for free... out there. But where exactly is the download file so i can download it on my htc hd7 ? If however i new how to install it though.
Someone said you need to private someone for the file and another said you msut register for it. How could so when the actual thing is free to download it aniways ? WP7 dont force anyone to register or pvt someone for the mango beta version file aniways.
Mamon
regards
sandra
p.s heres the download file for MANGO BETA for free you only get some things available. Not everything within the 500 features just yet. But here are just some what to expect. But works. Only for WP7 phones.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...64-ab15-40e1-bc38-713a95a56a05&displaylang=en
Who ever says to you to pvt me for the file or to register here before you download it... Is quite suspisous because like i said wp7 will never make you prvt someone for the download file and secondly you do not register just to download the file. Just so long you own a Windows phone 7 and download it for your phone.
Bingo

Shadowise said:
What I'm basically curious about is whether we have to wait until Mango before we see apps taking advantage of the new SDK, APIs etc.
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How do you mean we see apps taking advantage of the new SDK? what does that stands for ?
you do realise the marketplace theres allways a new app every time or at least every few days time. Are you actually talking about the whole android apps for wp7 ?

sandrax2020 said:
How do you mean we see apps taking advantage of the new SDK? what does that stands for ?
you do realise the marketplace theres allways a new app every time or at least every few days time. Are you actually talking about the whole android apps for wp7 ?
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not just the android, all the iphone apps too. that's great!!
the SDK is the tool that converts the applications for free from droid/IOS to the WP7 platform, just installed Mango on my HD7 with the link you provided, it was a bit complicated I had to reset the DNS and insert a new character after the carriage return, but it works great, thanks a lot!!! I converted all of my wife's iphone apps in 10 minutes

sandrax2020 said:
Its been said there is a MANGO BETA version to download for free... out there. But where exactly is the download file so i can download it on my htc hd7 ? If however i new how to install it though.
Someone said you need to private someone for the file and another said you msut register for it. How could so when the actual thing is free to download it aniways ? WP7 dont force anyone to register or pvt someone for the mango beta version file aniways.
Mamon
regards
sandra
p.s heres the download file for MANGO BETA for free you only get some things available. Not everything within the 500 features just yet. But here are just some what to expect. But works. Only for WP7 phones.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...64-ab15-40e1-bc38-713a95a56a05&displaylang=en
Who ever says to you to pvt me for the file or to register here before you download it... Is quite suspisous because like i said wp7 will never make you prvt someone for the download file and secondly you do not register just to download the file. Just so long you own a Windows phone 7 and download it for your phone.
Bingo
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Pretty sure that's just the developer tools... No actual ROM for installing on an actual device.... Maybe that's what people are trying to keep private as don't think MS want it out there just yet!

I can't wait for this release as I just got my hd7.

The
link is nit working can someone repost it or send it to me please.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...64-ab15-40e1-bc38-713a95a56a05&displaylang=en

trueblackpercula said:
The
link is nit working can someone repost it or send it to me please.
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Here's link to download ISO image:
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...6-4272-93D8-C4D98F0567AE/WPDT_v2_Beta_en1.iso
Then you can install it offline.

After I download it how do I install it on the phone.

trueblackpercula said:
After I download it how do I install it on the phone.
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No, you can't flash it to your phone.
It's just a WP7 emulator that installed on your PC.

Ok got it
Many thanks...what does it do then just show what's coming in mango?

can somebody add wifi hotspot on the develpoment?

A really newbie question im would like to start developing some aplications for mango i know a litle of visual basic, so i would like to ask what is the programing languge is used to develop apps for mango? Thank you very much
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

[Q] Clock issue after reboot to Windows Mobile

We discussed before the clock issue in Android (where the clock always lagged).
In my FRX07, I enabled "use network provided time" and it seems to be okay.
What I noticed is that, every time I reboot the phone to Windows Mobile, the clock in Windows Mobile is messed up (not the minutes, but the hours).
Everytime I reboot to Windows Mobile, I would like to correct the hour in the clock.
Look around but I could not find how to enable the clock in WM to use the network provided time as well.
Any input/help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

lie_ui said:
We discussed before the clock issue in Android (where the clock always lagged).
In my FRX07, I enabled "use network provided time" and it seems to be okay.
What I noticed is that, every time I reboot the phone to Windows Mobile, the clock in Windows Mobile is messed up (not the minutes, but the hours).
Everytime I reboot to Windows Mobile, I would like to correct the hour in the clock.
Look around but I could not find how to enable the clock in WM to use the network provided time as well.
Any input/help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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This is a WinMo issue, not an Android issue.
Android (and Linux/FreeBSD/every other OS) stores time in UTC, and then works backwards to your local time. WinMo (and Windows OS...) stores it in the local timezone only. So when you boot back to WinMo, it'll be exactly off by whatever offset you are from UTC.
To fix this, you need to resolve on the WinMo side. My phone always gets the time from the carrier - I'm a lucky CDMA user that always gets NITZ from my carrier .
If you're not so lucky and are on a GSM carrier that doesn't update your time properly, then you'll need to find some app in WinMo that keeps the clock synced. I can't help you here - again this is a WinMo problem, not Android!!. My solution for me is to just let the time update from my carrier. Again, if that does not work for you, find some atomic clock app or some such thing. Thanks!

Hi lie_ui,
I use the following trick to avoid the problem when I'm back to WM.
In Android, I set up the time manually and I select a time zone -2 hours.
For example if you are in GMT+5, setup Android manually in GMT+3. In this way you will have no problems.
To avoid the time lag, I use clocksync from the market, which works ok.

Thanks for the ideas! I will try it. Do mind explain to me where the -2 hours coming from? Just try to understand the logic. Thanks.

lie_ui said:
Thanks for the ideas! I will try it. Do mind explain to me where the -2 hours coming from? Just try to understand the logic. Thanks.
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Re-read my post. He's trying to circumvent the UTC effect... So he's setting it 2hrs back to offset UTC for his timezone...

I don't want to use a wrong timezone and I'm on GSM so I use ClockSync to set the time correctly in Android but I haven't found a similar application to do the same in WinMo so I'm setting my time manually everytime I want to use WinMo, it really sucks. Does anyone know any application that will sync the time automatically via NTP on WinMo?

Daved+ said:
I don't want to use a wrong timezone and I'm on GSM so I use ClockSync to set the time correctly in Android but I haven't found a similar application to do the same in WinMo so I'm setting my time manually everytime I want to use WinMo, it really sucks. Does anyone know any application that will sync the time automatically via NTP on WinMo?
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This is the Android Development section... Please ask in the general/WinMo section. Thanks.
Gooooogle found this, no clue if it works or not:
http://www.ehow.com/how_6717575_configure-windows-mobile-use-ntp.html

Can we add some command or setting in Android's "STARTUP.txt" to offset the time?
But it still don't solve the time problem if we boot back to WinMo.

korn2 said:
Can we add some command or setting in Android's "STARTUP.txt" to offset the time?
But it still don't solve the time problem if we boot back to WinMo.
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It's really a WinMo issue. If your phone syncs its time with the carrier in WinMo, the problem is solved. I've never had this issue, but I guess my carrier always sends out NITZ so my time is always correct... love that CDMA .
Since it is a WinMo issue, you'll have to solve it with a WinMo app - find some atomic clock application for WinMo that automatically syncs the time in WinMo. ClockSync for Android, something similar for WinMo and you won't have the issue.

[Q] Creating a snapshot of my HD2

I'm currently running a stock ROM.
There are some apps I absolutely need/want on my phone. Stuff like Remote Desktop, WiFiRouter, TomTom, Skype, Live Messenger and the ability to play streaming ASF/ASX files. All this works perfect in WM 6.5 - which is the reason I've never tried something like Android.
Although everything is running perfectly smooth, I'm kinda annoyed by the lack of apps available for WM 6.5. Which is the reason I want to experiment with Android on this phone. But I also want an easy return-path, meaning that if I can't find alternatives for the earlier mentioned WM6.5 apps, I want to go back to my old setup.
I know I could simply re-flash a stock ROM. But I'm not looking forward setting up/installing all my apps again. Even though I don't have many apps running on WM6.5, setting them up properly was a b**ch.
So I was wondering if there is a way to create a snapshot of the entire phone? Sort of like a Ghost/Image on a PC? So that when I want to go back, I only have to do a single restore and my phone is again exactly as it is now?

To take a quick snap shot of your HD2 theres this small app called VSnap http://mobisapienz.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=82&task=view.download&cid=55 and alot of other apps you can use. =) Make sure you thank the Author too. =) And to get back all your registrys try this http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/easily-backup-registry-values-with-settingsexporter/ i hope you found what you were looking for. =)

Have you considered dual booting? Android runs very well off the SD card and you can leave the WM 6.5 installation intact. The files from both OS's will peacefully co-exist on the SD card... No need to partition it, and Android is easily removable if you don't care for it.

thebest1 said:
To take a quick snap shot of your HD2 theres this small app called VSnap http://mobisapienz.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=82&task=view.download&cid=55 and alot of other apps you can use. =) Make sure you thank the Author too. =)
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As far as I understand the OP would like to make a complete dump of the content of his device. Not just a screenshot. That is something that you can do with a number of programs. VSNap appears to be one of them.

Thats what i tought that he meant that he wanted a complete dump of all his content. But the OP also said that :
So I was wondering if there is a way to create a snapshot of the entire phone?
zippy1970 what i recomment is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1159797 from GhostXSeries make sure to thank him if you download. It allows you to build your own rom with all your settings and programs. i hope this helps.

RobE. said:
Have you considered dual booting? Android runs very well off the SD card and you can leave the WM 6.5 installation intact. The files from both OS's will peacefully co-exist on the SD card... No need to partition it, and Android is easily removable if you don't care for it.
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That's what I ended up doing, using RunDroid. But I was wondering if there was a speed penalty for running of the SD card. I tried a few Android flavors and some seem to run very slow while others fly. Also, I'm kinda shocked to see that with some Android builds I seem to get no more than a few hours of battery life. But that's a story for an entirely different thread I guess.