[Q] Creating a snapshot of my HD2 - HD2 General

I'm currently running a stock ROM.
There are some apps I absolutely need/want on my phone. Stuff like Remote Desktop, WiFiRouter, TomTom, Skype, Live Messenger and the ability to play streaming ASF/ASX files. All this works perfect in WM 6.5 - which is the reason I've never tried something like Android.
Although everything is running perfectly smooth, I'm kinda annoyed by the lack of apps available for WM 6.5. Which is the reason I want to experiment with Android on this phone. But I also want an easy return-path, meaning that if I can't find alternatives for the earlier mentioned WM6.5 apps, I want to go back to my old setup.
I know I could simply re-flash a stock ROM. But I'm not looking forward setting up/installing all my apps again. Even though I don't have many apps running on WM6.5, setting them up properly was a b**ch.
So I was wondering if there is a way to create a snapshot of the entire phone? Sort of like a Ghost/Image on a PC? So that when I want to go back, I only have to do a single restore and my phone is again exactly as it is now?

To take a quick snap shot of your HD2 theres this small app called VSnap http://mobisapienz.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=82&task=view.download&cid=55 and alot of other apps you can use. =) Make sure you thank the Author too. =) And to get back all your registrys try this http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/easily-backup-registry-values-with-settingsexporter/ i hope you found what you were looking for. =)

Have you considered dual booting? Android runs very well off the SD card and you can leave the WM 6.5 installation intact. The files from both OS's will peacefully co-exist on the SD card... No need to partition it, and Android is easily removable if you don't care for it.

thebest1 said:
To take a quick snap shot of your HD2 theres this small app called VSnap http://mobisapienz.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=82&task=view.download&cid=55 and alot of other apps you can use. =) Make sure you thank the Author too. =)
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As far as I understand the OP would like to make a complete dump of the content of his device. Not just a screenshot. That is something that you can do with a number of programs. VSNap appears to be one of them.

Thats what i tought that he meant that he wanted a complete dump of all his content. But the OP also said that :
So I was wondering if there is a way to create a snapshot of the entire phone?
zippy1970 what i recomment is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1159797 from GhostXSeries make sure to thank him if you download. It allows you to build your own rom with all your settings and programs. i hope this helps.

RobE. said:
Have you considered dual booting? Android runs very well off the SD card and you can leave the WM 6.5 installation intact. The files from both OS's will peacefully co-exist on the SD card... No need to partition it, and Android is easily removable if you don't care for it.
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That's what I ended up doing, using RunDroid. But I was wondering if there was a speed penalty for running of the SD card. I tried a few Android flavors and some seem to run very slow while others fly. Also, I'm kinda shocked to see that with some Android builds I seem to get no more than a few hours of battery life. But that's a story for an entirely different thread I guess.

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HELP! new to site and want to adjust phone

I am not sure if this is the proper section for such advice but I am seeking help with my t mobile wing which I believe is considered part of the herald? heh..
So here's the deal..I had this phone for a year now with no custom addons to it..but lately...my wing has been running so slow up to the point where I can't answer calls on time or takes so long to load..I just rebooted my phone and was wondering if anyone in steps can direct me anything I can do to make my phone run more smooth,customizable and being able to clean it properly..
I used to have battery status with the overclock on MHZ and memmaid..but I realized mem maid was a paid program so I was shady about putting my credit card... I also was trying to get touch flo installed..but I can't find the Ruu anywhere..I must be doing something wrong lol
layl0ww said:
I am not sure if this is the proper section for such advice but I am seeking help with my t mobile wing which I believe is considered part of the herald? heh..
So here's the deal..I had this phone for a year now with no custom addons to it..but lately...my wing has been running so slow up to the point where I can't answer calls on time or takes so long to load..I just rebooted my phone and was wondering if anyone in steps can direct me anything I can do to make my phone run more smooth,customizable and being able to clean it properly..
I used to have battery status with the overclock on MHZ and memmaid..but I realized mem maid was a paid program so I was shady about putting my credit card... I also was trying to get touch flo installed..but I can't find the Ruu anywhere..I must be doing something wrong lol
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First things first, some things you'll need to know:
RUU: Stock Operating System (ROM)
ROM: Phone Operating System
CAB: Application Installer File
Flash: Reformat your phone with a new ROM.
SuperCID: Unlocks the device to allow flashing of non-stock and custom ROMs.
USPL: Allows you to temporary SuperCID your device to enable flashing using a Flash Center Utility in Windows. You cannot use LZX compressed ROMs, and you cannot flash ROMs requiring an SD Card.
HardSPL: Permanently (Well Almost) SuperCIDs your device to allow you to flash any ROM of any type, as long as it is a Herald/Wing ROM. You can flash using SD card, or through a Flash Center. I say it is almost permanent because it can be reversed.
Next:
I suggest you use a whole new ROM on your phone. T-Mobile's stock ROM is so bogged down with useless crap it takes forever to do anything. Plus, most custom ROMs already come with at least TouchFlo kinetic scrolling.
You are going to need to backup your Contacts, Photos, etc. You can do this manually, or you can use Microsoft MyPhone to do this automatically.
Next you are going to need to flash your device with a ROM, but first you have to find a ROM.
http://thewingster.com/ivanmmj.aspx
If you go there you can find screenshots of two ROMs I suggest you try first. JustStable is a stable ROM based off of Windows Mobile 6.1. It's pretty fast, but its more of a simple kind of ROM without the flashy features. JustHome is a ROM based off of Windows Mobile 6.5. It is what I am currently using. The ROM is really good and it's got a lot of flashy stuff, and it is a lot more finger friendly.
Next you need to Flash your device: I suggest you use the USPL method for flashing because it poses less danger to your device. You can find steps for USPL flashing on this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3903811&postcount=2 .
After you flash: You may find that you are missing some T-Mobile things you used before like MMS, MyFaves on homescreen, or the T-Mobile IM client.
MMS: Ivan decided not to include MMS in his ROMs because some people complained they didn't work (SMS still works though). Don't worry, you can still get MMS to work. Follow these steps on this page: http://thewingster.com/arcsoftmms.aspx
MyFaves: Don't worry about missing the MyFaves, you will still get all calls to the 5 people free if they are on your list. You can change them on your my.t-mobile.com site.
T-Mobile IM: If you have a data plan, I wouldn't suggest you use this at all. If you don't have a data plan, T-Mobile IM is one of the few applications that can use AIM through SMS, so you don't have to pay extra (assuming you have unlimited text/picture messaging).
You can find other useful Cabs on the link in my signature.
First thing to do is use that search thingy at the top of your screen.
raptoro07 said:
First thing to do is use that search thingy at the top of your screen.
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And end up following a guide for another phone... Good idea, good way to brick his phone.
Heh yea I was up all night searching stuff since it does look a bit unorganized here with 07-08 material..but I think I figured out some of the basics, now if I change my rom..will that be a permanent change? I know windows is a terrible idea for the wing to begin with but I would like to mess around with a few in the future to my liking
I went and installed some cabs into my phone and I love it, I did some of the basic registry inputs as well and my phone is managing so smooth heh.
But I am still left with odd numbers compared to what other roms offered(maybe cause of windows?) I have 11.12 mb free in storage out of 31.44 20.32 in use and 49.89 total in program 38.01 in use and 11.88 free.. :s but thanks for the guide I am gonna keep searching around..I just need to finally buy myself a micro SD to help me move those roms over.
layl0ww said:
Heh yea I was up all night searching stuff since it does look a bit unorganized here with 07-08 material..but I think I figured out some of the basics, now if I change my rom..will that be a permanent change? I know windows is a terrible idea for the wing to begin with but I would like to mess around with a few in the future to my liking
I went and installed some cabs into my phone and I love it, I did some of the basic registry inputs as well and my phone is managing so smooth heh.
But I am still left with odd numbers compared to what other roms offered(maybe cause of windows?) I have 11.12 mb free in storage out of 31.44 20.32 in use and 49.89 total in program 38.01 in use and 11.88 free.. :s but thanks for the guide I am gonna keep searching around..I just need to finally buy myself a micro SD to help me move those roms over.
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If you want to go back to factory defaults, you would just flash the T-Mobile Stock ROM. You can either get that from T-Mobiles website or from here.
Your Program memory is essentially your RAM, and your Storage Memory is how much space you have left to install programs. 11.88 is not good at all for leftover RAM, and this number will not change by adding a storage card. JustStable gets about 24mb free RAM, JustHome gets around 17mb of free RAM...
All ROMs are based on Windows Mobile, including the current one. Some are just based on newer versions than others. The current one you are on is Windows Mobile 6.0. JustStable is based on Windows Mobile 6.1. JustHome is based on Windows Mobile 6.5. The reason you have low levels of Program memory and RAM are based on a few factors. T-Mobile overloads their ROMs with crap, most of which you probably don't use and it's all pretty out-dated. Also, any applications you may have installed thinking it will speed up the phone, just cost more space. And since a lot of applications won't run properly if you install them to a storage card, you have to limit your list of programs to the ones you use the most.
The cooked ROMs on these forums are just cleaned up versions of the same ROM you have on your phone now, so the applications you love on your phone now, you can install on a cooked ROMs. And the ones you don't use, you don't have to install. I can promise you, however, once you flash one of these stock ROMs, you won't ever want to go back.
if you haven't flashed a rom yet you can watch 1 on youtube before you attempt it. dangerous but well worth it. i'm running 6.5 and its spectacular. i'm still learning though.
apreichner said:
If you want to go back to factory defaults, you would just flash the T-Mobile Stock ROM. You can either get that from T-Mobiles website or from here.
Your Program memory is essentially your RAM, and your Storage Memory is how much space you have left to install programs. 11.88 is not good at all for leftover RAM, and this number will not change by adding a storage card. JustStable gets about 24mb free RAM, JustHome gets around 17mb of free RAM...
All ROMs are based on Windows Mobile, including the current one. Some are just based on newer versions than others. The current one you are on is Windows Mobile 6.0. JustStable is based on Windows Mobile 6.1. JustHome is based on Windows Mobile 6.5. The reason you have low levels of Program memory and RAM are based on a few factors. T-Mobile overloads their ROMs with crap, most of which you probably don't use and it's all pretty out-dated. Also, any applications you may have installed thinking it will speed up the phone, just cost more space. And since a lot of applications won't run properly if you install them to a storage card, you have to limit your list of programs to the ones you use the most.
The cooked ROMs on these forums are just cleaned up versions of the same ROM you have on your phone now, so the applications you love on your phone now, you can install on a cooked ROMs. And the ones you don't use, you don't have to install. I can promise you, however, once you flash one of these stock ROMs, you won't ever want to go back.
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So you would recommend getting juststable then? I probably won't get that till I get my micro sd ordered unless it can go in right now, now is there a limit to what I can get? I was hearing you can get 6gigs, but I am hearing 4 is the limit from sandisk, someone can confirm it? also...with the HTC skin, is there a way to adjust the weather temp from C to F instead?
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So you would recommend getting juststable then? I probably won't get that till I get my micro sd ordered unless it can go in right now, now is there a limit to what I can get? I was hearing you can get 6gigs, but I am hearing 4 is the limit from sandisk, someone can confirm it? also...with the HTC skin, is there a way to adjust the weather temp from C to F instead?
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You don't need an SD card to flash a ROM using the Flash Center tutorial I gave you, unless the ROM is LZX or a Micro ROM. You just need to backup your contacts, photos, etc. You can do this using a utility from Microsoft called MyPhone . It will backup your data to a secure place online, and then when you flash the new ROM, you'll reinstall MyPhone (Unless you use JustHome, in which case MyPhone comes with it) and it will sync all of your data back to the device. Or you can do all of this manually as well.
It really depends on what you like... If you prefer a more finger friendly flashy ROM, use JustHome. If you prefer more RAM, use JustStable. I am personally willing to sacrifice some RAM for JustHome. But to really find what you like, you have to try it out.
www.newegg.com . You can order an SDHC card, it should be supported up to 16gb now. 8gb are pretty cheap though, 20-30 dollars. Sandisk also sells a couple 8 and 16gb SDHC cards. Although Kingston might be cheaper.
If you need any further help, please feel free to PM me with any questions you have. I check the forum pretty often, so I'll get back to you pretty quickly.

HD2 Windows Phone 7 Overview

If you're looking to hack your HD2 to get Windows Phone 7, be aware of this:
1. It's completely unsupported by Microsoft or HTC
2. It will erase all data on your phone and SD card in it
3. Unless you get a correct micro SD card, it will randomly reboot. A short term fix for this is to play an album in Zune and put the phone on vibrate.
4. It will greatly diminish your battery life. You will need an extended battery just to make it through a whole day.
5. You have to jailbreak it and install a certificate and move a file or two using third party app to download apps and then call up Microsoft in hopes they will give you the code.
6. There is a minor 3G problem; to fix it, try going into the settings, then tap on cellular, scroll down and click add apn, then in the APN field, type in internet2.voicestream.com and leave the user name and password fields blank. If that doesn't work, try typing in wap.voicestream.com or epc.tmobile.com. Make sure you turn roaming on. Note: Only works if you have T-Mobile.
I tried it but I put WP6.5 back on because it has a file explorer, you don't need Marketplace to install all of you apps you can just download them from the internet and install them, it has internet sharing, and for $25 I can get a personal hotspot. I also like the camera better because it is widescreen and takes panorama. I can do prettymuch anything with it!
I was JUST about to see what the fuss was about... And now I see its not worth it. Thanks! You saved me some headaches, lol
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Ared777 said:
If you're looking to hack your HD2 to get Windows Phone 7, be aware of this:
1. It's completely unsupported by Microsoft or HTC - Who gives a hoot? If people are on XDA, they're not very likely to worry too much about that... They get all their support right here...
2. It will erase all data on your phone and SD card in it - True, but anyone thinking of going WP7 on their HD2 should already be aware of this and have purchased a decent card...
3. Unless you get a correct micro SD card, it will randomly reboot. A short term fix for this is to play an album in Zune and put the phone on vibrate. - True, but anyone thinking of going WP7 on their HD2 should already be aware of this and have purchased a decent card...
4. It will greatly diminish your battery life.- I have not found this to be the case... I find it drains about the same as the stock rom that was delivered with my phone... You will need an extended battery just to make it through a whole day.
5. You have to jailbreak it and install a certificate and move a file or two using third party app to download apps and then call up Microsoft in hopes they will give you the code. Crap, just get the code... I didn't have to jailbreak a thing...
6. There is a minor 3G problem; to fix it, try going into the settings, then tap on cellular, scroll down and click add apn, then in the APN field, type in internet2.voicestream.com and leave the user name and password fields blank. If that doesn't work, try typing in wap.voicestream.com or epc.tmobile.com. Make sure you turn roaming on. Note: Only works if you have T-Mobile. - T who?
I tried it but I put WP6.5 back on because it has a file explorer, you don't need Marketplace to install all of you apps you can just download them from the internet and install them, it has internet sharing, and for $25 I can get a personal hotspot. I also like the camera better because it is widescreen and takes panorama. I can do prettymuch anything with it!
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Without marketplace and xbox live the WP7 is pretty spartan, but when fully operational there's not an OS near it...
My view for anyone thinking of trying WP7 is, try it fully working and then make a decision... Have a stock WM rom ready if WP7 aint for you...
Im sorry but most of this is utter FUD!
There are a few things wrong with the HD2 running WP7 but given that it was never supposed to work with it anyway i think its amazing
WP7 has been on my HD2 for months, it works fantasticly, and i wont go back to Droid or WM for my main OS
Note i do sill use a WM6.5 device for some key software that i cant get on WP7 but other than 2 pieces of software its great!
SD cards are a big issue, its luck if you get one taht works, that is one of the things you have to pay to be able to use this OS on our Device, if you dont like it buy an HD7
APN settings are operator specific, use the HTC connection tool and it will sort it all out for you
you dont need to unlock the device if you intend to use LEGAL apps from the market place, if you wish to use dodgy apps or unsigned XAPs developed by users then you will need to unlock it. Normally ALL you have to do is phone MS or use the chat and get a code, and thats it, everything works
Of course its unsupported by MS, your using software on a device that it was never intened for, why would you think other wise? and it is exactly that thinking that would stop MS from allowing (but not supporting) the HD2 because people like you assume MS should help them! Why!? anyhow, thats why we have XDA-DEV
Battery life is much the same, and very good if you consider PUSH is working
of course it will format the card, i dont see the argument here?
Install linux on your windows computer (not VM), does it format anything? yes it does
GunBuri said:
I was JUST about to see what the fuss was about... And now I see its not worth it. Thanks! You saved me some headaches, lol
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mate, talk to people on here that know what they are talking about before you make your mind up, of course the choice is yours but at least make an informed decision based on facts.
argentocruz said:
Without marketplace and xbox live the WP7 is pretty spartan, but when fully operational there's not an OS near it...
You forgot to mention facebook, but anyway those three things are what WP7 is targeted for. I got to play around with two native devices and to me they feel like a mobile gaming device that has the added advantage of making phonne calls and accessing the internet via a mobile network and not WiFi
My view for anyone thinking of trying WP7 is, try it fully working and then make a decision... Have a stock WM rom ready if WP7 aint for you...[/B]
I agree totally as WP7 as it is currently even in native WP7 devices is not for everyone. Maybe in the future it will improve but something tells me it will not as it is not geared to be a functional OS for a mobile device but just a gaming and social networking device OS.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah
I just had to reply to this.
I'm tech savvy, but not so when it comes to phones, so i spent weeks reading up on here. No way could I do what you guys do, but I read enough to not brick my phone.
I followed one of the guides, phone worked but was buggy.
Then followed another guide, installed a different ROM and phone is great. Activated via online chat with microsoft rep who was very patient and helpful as I originally entered code using caps, should all be lower case.
I now have a fully functional wp7 device, bing maps works very quick, hotmail contacts sync constantly, zune music sync is flawless, battery now actually lasts more than a full day (used to barely do that on wm6.5) and now I even have a full res camera too, nothing wrong at all with wp7 on my phone.
Every once in a while it stops accessing my apps, but to be honest my hd2 already had the occasional quirk. A quick reboot fixes that (and it is quick).
I bought a 16gb class 2 sandisk sd card from amazon for £16 as I read that is likely to work. Not had an issue with it.
If you read around and understand it takes a little work (though not that much) then having wp7 on an hd2 is really good.
The only thing I'm missing is turn by turn with voice satnav, but that's missing from wp7 itself and will hopefully be resolved legitimately soon.
Sorry for the long post, but I really felt like I needed to comment.
by the way, thanks to all you guys for the amazing work you've done, allowing me to post the above.
guys is there any way i can dual boot wp7 and android , either from nand or sd card ??
Absolutely, via SD card and MAGLDR.
There is a thread with full instructions on the Development forum - here
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true........ but
argentocruz:
1. True dat
2. 16 gb micro sd card: $50, for that much, just extend your contract and get a refurb HD7, same price.
3. [Same]
4. Not in my experience
5. I live in the U.S. enough said.
You are still forgetting the internet sharing, which doesnt exist on WP7, which was one of the main reasons I bought the HD2. Also you have the file explorer, which was also very nice. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can download files directly from the internet, either in WP7; didn't have long enough to try it.
Bottom line: WP7 is just a glorified iPhone, Windows Mobile gives you true freedom.
I absolutely love WP7 on my HD2. Sure there are a few....I mean VERY few things I miss from WinMo, but not enough to revert back or go to android (bleh). I actually have a phone that works now, lol! The main thing I miss from WinMo on HD2 is the camera. Other than that, I'm EXTREMELY happy with WP7. And getting the activation code & unlocking the phone are so easy, it wouldn't deter any real poweruser. Plus I love the challenge of learning/hacking a new OS, especially one that's a challenge.
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Bottom line: WP7 is just a glorified iPhone, Windows Mobile gives you true freedom.
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i agree that WM is an amazing OS, it was seriously hampered by the networks and very poor driver support though, IF we had the correct drivers for the graphics it would rival WP7 and Android.
However, that is not the case, so whilst WM remains a beast of an OS that can do almost anything its not got a good UI and its social intigration isnt as good.
which is exactly why i want to dual boot WM and WP7, at the moment i have to take my old Touch HD around if i wish to use WM which isnt ideal
To say WP7 is like an iPhone isnt completely correct, its similar yes, are targeted to the same demographic but after using an iphone and android for quite a long time, you wont find me moving back.
If they cant get WM to dual boot with WP7 i would love WP7 to have a sandboxed WM environment to allow me to run WM apps or even better as devices get more powerful with dual cores to have an Emulated WM OS
The potential for WP7 is massive, we can only hope they take WM and somehow shove its functionality in to WP7, sand boxed for course to maintain OS integrity, which unfortunatly is what WM failed at.
The carriers buggered it for WM, and MS got the blame for it, what people dont realise is that MS had little to do with what happened to MS, other than its inaction and sorting it out that is!
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i agree that WM is an amazing OS, it was seriously hampered by the networks and very poor driver support though, IF we had the correct drivers for the graphics it would rival WP7 and Android.
However, that is not the case, so whilst WM remains a beast of an OS that can do almost anything its not got a good UI and its social intigration isnt as good.
which is exactly why i want to dual boot WM and WP7, at the moment i have to take my old Touch HD around if i wish to use WM which isnt ideal
To say WP7 is like an iPhone isnt completely correct, its similar yes, are targeted to the same demographic but after using an iphone and android for quite a long time, you wont find me moving back.
If they cant get WM to dual boot with WP7 i would love WP7 to have a sandboxed WM environment to allow me to run WM apps or even better as devices get more powerful with dual cores to have an Emulated WM OS
The potential for WP7 is massive, we can only hope they take WM and somehow shove its functionality in to WP7, sand boxed for course to maintain OS integrity, which unfortunatly is what WM failed at.
The carriers buggered it for WM, and MS got the blame for it, what people dont realise is that MS had little to do with what happened to MS, other than its inaction and sorting it out that is!
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^agreed. I'm waiting for someone to release (probably cotulla) to release WM6.5 or WP7 for an SD card and just boot into whichever system is necessary. WP7 would probably be my primary because it is less buggy, easier to use, and has much better apps. Also I agree with you that they should have put WM functionality into WP7, because WM was probably the closest mobile OS to an actual computer OS, because it had the file explorer, also you can install programs from anywhere, not just Marketplace. That was what really disappointed me about WP7, and also it didn't have internet sharing, which was such a great feature! All you had to do was tap the button, plug it into your computer, and click connect and within 2 minutes you were getting internet on your PC through your phone.
Actually, if properly installed WP7 runs better than its native WinMo 6.5, and much better than Android!
I have been using it for the last few months without glitches, bugs, etc.
It is simple, all your basics (texts, emails, contacts, IE) are easily accessible; typing on it is better than anything out there (including Iphone), very simple and intuitive graphics.
However, when you get into 'hubs' and apps WP7's sheer graphic beauty comes forward. And this is what makes it a great OS, simple for every day use (too many screens and widgets in Android come to mind as something I wish to avoid), and beautiful when you get deeper into it!
Also, it is very FAST and stable!
There is also something called Touch Explorer which is same as File Explorer in WM6.5.
You can also download Navigo for your navigational needs, and may I tell you it runs perfectly and is very accurate.
There is a plethora of apps here on XDA which you can download onto your unlocked HD2 (an advantage over native devices) just do some research and you will have everything you had on your old WM6.5.
Do you remember the Voice Commander on the old OS, you had to reinstall it every time you flashed a ROM, it was slow, and leggy. On WP7 is fast and very accurate.
My advice is to properly flash this OS, use it for a month and you will not revert to WM or Android.
Also, it would not hurt to see the upcoming Mango update (go to Youtube) to see in which direction this OS is moving.
Microsoft did not enter the mobile market with this OS to play, it came to kill.
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Sorry for being off topic, but this guy's sig attracted me.
"Black HTC HD2" .. lol wut ?
I love the fluidity of the OS, but sometimes it is so simple and clean that it become annoying (Coming from Android NAND). I would still prefer android but you really can't beat WP7 on the HD2 since it has 720p recording. The HTC Hub application is pretty nice too.

[Q] [QUESTION] SD card and Android

Before I posted this, I did some searches, did some reading, and then hit myself with a big stick repeatedly for you just to get that out of the way!
First, I am old.
Second, I am new to the smart phones.
I have a HTC HD2 from T-Mobile. I was not able to get into the Android Market, and was wondering what I was doing wrong. First thing I read was about a SD card. I looked, and, Nope no SD card. So I will be going to pick one up tomorrow, what size would be best? Then I read about moving the Android file to the SD card. I looked and could not find a Android File. Hmmmmm. If there is a Android File, where would it be?
Here are the stats for my phone, maybe I can't load Android, I don't know.
It has Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional,
the OS Version is 5.2.21913,
Manial version is 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version is 3.14.531.1 WWE
ROM Date is 09/29/2010
Radio Version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version is 15.42.50.11U
I really like the phone, but thought it would be nice to get some nice apps from the android store. Any help, and advice is more than welcome Just don't tell me to sell the HTC and buy a Jitterbug phone!!
Thanks again, Bob
TMO US or EU?
This is the US version my carrier is T-Mobile.
to speak about what a good sd card it would really be useful if we knew how you use your phone. if you store a lot of files/folders/pics/roms etc on your sd card and transfer them often to your computer i would suggest buying a 8gb class 6 or higher but if you dont store a ton of info on your sd card and dont transfer your files over often you could get away with a 4gb class 2-4. you can get them on ebay really cheap, i found a 8gb class 10 for under $15 but if you buy a sd card off ebay make sure you test the card because there are a lot of sellers out there that have a memory hack which will make the sd card say its a 8gb when really its only a 3-4gb. i have not had that problem with any name brand like sandisk, trancend, pny, kingston or samsung.
Thanks for the info.
talking about apps i would start with appmonster..free on the market. it will backup your apks onto your sd card which i find very useful.
1 way i find cool apps is by looking at some of the icon requests. people wouldnt request an icon for something they dont find useful so i think thats a good starting point. another way is by going to the market on your pc, found here. i like it a lot better because i feel you can view it better, quicker plus you can hit the install button and it will install it directly to your phone.
i could give a breif list of some apps i like but what i like and what you like may differ greatly. there are apps that suggest other apps based on what you have installed but right this second i cant remember the name. i will try & find out and edit this post when i do.
AppAware found here
Appsfire found here
Best Apps Market found here
all of these apps will show you some of the best apps found on the market. it can be a bug to sort through some apps that are really a waste of space.
Bob Davis said:
Before I posted this, I did some searches, did some reading, and then hit myself with a big stick repeatedly for you just to get that out of the way!
First, I am old.
Second, I am new to the smart phones.
I have a HTC HD2 from T-Mobile. I was not able to get into the Android Market, and was wondering what I was doing wrong. First thing I read was about a SD card. I looked, and, Nope no SD card. So I will be going to pick one up tomorrow, what size would be best? Then I read about moving the Android file to the SD card. I looked and could not find a Android File. Hmmmmm. If there is a Android File, where would it be?
Here are the stats for my phone, maybe I can't load Android, I don't know.
It has Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional,
the OS Version is 5.2.21913,
Manial version is 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version is 3.14.531.1 WWE
ROM Date is 09/29/2010
Radio Version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version is 15.42.50.11U
I really like the phone, but thought it would be nice to get some nice apps from the android store. Any help, and advice is more than welcome Just don't tell me to sell the HTC and buy a Jitterbug phone!!
Thanks again, Bob
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Hiya Bob,
...a Jitterbug phone, huh? I think you're even older than me. As long as you're not too old to learn a few new tricks then... you shouldn't have any problems. You're going to have to have some patience and take your time if, by your own admission... you're new to smartphones. You have A LOT of reading to do.
If I'm understanding this correctly - You don't have an Android phone yet. You have a stock (as opposed to customized) T-Mobile HD2. It natively runs WM6.5, and ships with an eight or sixteen MB SD card already installed. It's not an Android phone. YOU would have to install the Android OS onto the phone first. No wonder you didn't have access to the Android market. If you're in the USA - your HD2 would have had the Transformers movies, and a number of demo WM apps & games, installed on the SD card. The fact that you don't have an SD card installed doesn't really matter. I would guess you bought yours pre-owned from some idiot who kept the card and didn't provide a copy.
(as an aside), I bought my USA HD2 pre-owned also. The seller (I'm guessing) kept the 16MB card, but at least he provided a 8MB card with all the files copied over. --- You're not missing anything that you can't get back. Much of it 'junk' but the movies are pretty cool.
I see you've already had some reco's on what to buy for an SD. Depending upon your media needs, I'd suggest at least, an 8MB card. I replaced mine with a 16MB class 4 card. It's working well.
Personally... I flashed my own HD2 with one of the custom WM6.5.x ROMs on this site. It's far better than the stock phones ROM. The only thing that can't run is the Blockbuster app (for silly reasons I can't get into here). What I really wanted was to be able to run the Netflix app... and this was accomplished by installing one of the Android SD ROM versions. It took me some time and research to understand just how... but it's all do-able.
I'm assuming you're going to keep your HD2 as a Windows mobile phone (although you don't necessarily have to). You could flash your HD2 with an Android NAND ROM... but that would wipeout Windows Mobile, and I wouldn't suggest that route for you just yet. Installing Android on an SD card isn't difficult... and it works a trick! But you do have some reading to do. Have fun with it. -Rob
Thanks for the reply Rob, Yes, I am new to smart phones, but am open to learning. I got the phone through T-Mobile, it was a refurb unit, and there was no SD card. It did have the Transformer movies on it.
I will be picking up a SD card probably tomorrow, I will be going with a 16MB.
So from what I have understood so far, is that the phone is not a android, and currently runs on a windows platform. So could I install Android on the SD card and keep windows also? What system would be running? I guess there is a lot to learn, but I am recently retired, and have nothing but time. If you have anything you suggest I should read, let me know.
Bob
thats correct, its winmo by default. i would take a look at this post which will explain all you need to know about flashing android to your htc hd2. also you can install RunDroid found here which will allow you to dualboot into either winmo or android from your sd.
Bob Davis said:
Thanks for the reply Rob, Yes, I am new to smart phones, but am open to learning. I got the phone through T-Mobile, it was a refurb unit, and there was no SD card. It did have the Transformer movies on it.
I will be picking up a SD card probably tomorrow, I will be going with a 16MB.
So from what I have understood so far, is that the phone is not a android, and currently runs on a windows platform. So could I install Android on the SD card and keep windows also? What system would be running? I guess there is a lot to learn, but I am recently retired, and have nothing but time. If you have anything you suggest I should read, let me know.
Bob
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(I'm guessing again - and I'm curious), If you see an icon in the Start Menu for Transformers... that's only a link to open the movies... that's not actually the movies themselves... but see for yourself. Click the link. What happens? The movies themselves are 1.3 and 1.4GB (gigabytes) and are stored on the SD card. If you have no SD card from TMOUS, where are the actual movie files? In RAM? In ROM? I don't think so... Let me know.
I'm a long time WM user and I won't yet give up WM6.5. I like it a lot and need it. I still activesync everything with my Outlook desktop, running XP on the PC. I haven't yet migrated to Windows 7 (and don't plan to for a while). WP7 on the handheld doesn't do it for me, but I wanted to try Android.
It IS very different from WM, and I'm still not entirely comfortable with it but I am comfortable with technology and so it's an ongoing somewhat fun learning experience. Android DOES have some strong advantages...
I think (guessing again - but I'm pretty certain) that Android would be at its absolute best running from NAND... but then, goodbye WM. And I'm not willing to completely rely on Android for my needs. Besides, I really do enjoy having my HD2 be a WM phone AND an Android phone, depending upon what I choose to do ATM. So if like me... you're unwilling to completely give up windows mobile, your only choice would be to run it from the SD card. I can only suggest that you start reading the Android subforums; specifically the HD2 Android SD Development forum.
Android would boot via Magldr or via a dual boot program like Exceller (which I use), from inside of windows mobile... you'll have to read-up on these things. Speed isn't a problem. It runs very well & fast. The only downside to SD is that battery life isn't the greatest. But so what? Get yourself one or two spare batteries. The upside is that you have two OS's... you get to have your cake and eat it too (if you know what I mean).
Rob
Thanks for the links, the Dualboot is what I thought might be involved. I will start reading in the morning!
Rob,
When I first got my HD2, I had it for about four months, and started having some issues with it. I had watched the movies on it, but when I sent it back I must have sent the SD card with it. I am new to this remember!! When I try to bring the movie up it says file not found. Surprise, it was on the SD card.
I will keep windows also, and run the Android on the SD card. I don't do a lot of fancy stuff on my HD2, but am still learning.
Bob
also with RunDroid you can keep many different android (sd) roms on your sd card and can choose at random which android you would like to boot. i would check out this link, it will show you all the android roms found here on XDA. i find it a lot more easier to look at instead of trying to go through countless pages and reading about each rom. the link will give you some basic info about each one like if its a sd or nand version, when it was posted/updated, if it has sence or not & some other info that could be useful.
htccraze said:
also with RunDroid you can keep many different android (sd) roms on your sd card and can choose at random which android you would like to boot. i would check out this link, it will show you all the android roms found here on XDA. i find it a lot more easier to look at instead of trying to go through countless pages and reading about each rom. the link will give you some basic info about each one like if its a sd or nand version, when it was posted/updated, if it has sence or not & some other info that could be useful.
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+1 (what I used) Great suggestion!
Thanks, The reading will start today, it may take some time, but I feel I will get there.
...and just a clarification. I'd also used HTC HD2 Android Roms/Builds, as a good place to compare and research different Android offerings. Ultimately, I went with what appeared to be the most widely used SD ROM. I don't know if it's the best one (that's always a personal choice born of trial and experience)... but it seems to work well. Honestly, I'm just getting my feet wet with Android. Not yet up to running multiple OS's on my card... maybe one of these days, so haven't yet tried Rundroid. I have flashed a number of different WM 6.5 roms. For me, WM is easy. I'm finding Android - on the surface, a lot of fun, but under the hood... I'm still somewhat dazed and confused.
All the links and suggestions have been a big help, I am still reading at this point. One other question I have is, when I start to install the Android ROM, if I screw up can I still just do a hard reset to be able to start over? I don't really have anything on the phone other than phone numbers. Basicly I have been using it as a phone, and light internet news browsing.
Thanks!
Bob Davis said:
All the links and suggestions have been a big help, I am still reading at this point. One other question I have is, when I start to install the Android ROM, if I screw up can I still just do a hard reset to be able to start over? I don't really have anything on the phone other than phone numbers. Basically I have been using it as a phone, and light internet news browsing.
Thanks!
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ROM's on the SD card, installation is on the SD card, so don't worry about hard resetting the phone... and even if you had to, it's all pretty easy. No worries. Read-up on dual booting and format the card prior to starting the process.
Thanks Rob, just got back from picking up a SD card, wound up getting a 8MB, no 16's in the store. Do I format the card on the phone or my PC? I assume the phone.

[Q] Prepairing the HD2 for android...

So, I am going to installing Android for someone on their HD2, and while I have contacts and media covered (synced with both g-mail and myphone, and all media is stored on the sdcard), I figured I will probably need to test out several roms and see how they perform, how buggy they are, etc until I find a good one.
Yes I know there are guides here for that, those are what I am using.
HOWEVER, if it doesn't work out and we decide to switch back to Windows Mobile, while I know there are stock roms to do that too, is there any way I can sort of capture an image of the contents of the phone and directly just restore that? So I don't need to restore windows mobile and THEN start restoring it to the way it was?
I can only think of one thing that might do what you are wanting to do and that is SPB Backup.(Google it to find it)
Maybe someone else knows of something else too.
why not go for an SD ROM, see if you like android first, and keep WM 6.5 as is?
Robbie P said:
why not go for an SD ROM, see if you like android first, and keep WM 6.5 as is?
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I agree with this, it won't affect your wm os by doing this, and you can get a feel for how it works.
Android runs unusably slowly when off if stock sdcards
Cyber Akuma said:
Android runs unusably slowly when off if stock sdcards
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That depends entirely on the sd card you are using.
Cyber Akuma said:
Android runs unusably slowly when off if stock sdcards
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Moon2 said:
That depends entirely on the sd card you are using.
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and also on the build used - generally Sense-ROMs tend to be slower than the non-Sense ones,
for the last 3 months I've been running AmeriCanDroid (port of CyanogenMod made especially for HD2) from painfully slow 32gB card with no problems/lags/slowdown whatsoever...
The advantage of testing Android on SD cart before to pass to Nand is you can even have more than one build installed on the card at the same time.
you just have to change the name of the android directory (without space character) and edit the config file of the build to indicate the file path.

is Miscosoft becoming move evil?

I has not played with windows phone for a long time, just tried wp7 flash recently with HD2. damn, a lot tricky things.
- wp7 lock the SD card
- no file explorer.
- very hard to side load applications.
- cab file is not back compatible.
- certificate chain, Developer-uplock/ChevronWP7 unlock, Interop-unlock, FullUnlock.....
WTF are they trying to accomplish with all those limitations and making a system so complicated?
no wondering MS mobile market share is shrinking.
jessezx said:
I has not played with windows phone for a long time, just tried wp7 flash recently with HD2. damn, a lot tricky things.
- wp7 lock the SD card
- no file explorer.
- very hard to side load applications.
- cab file is not back compatible.
- certificate chain, Developer-uplock/ChevronWP7 unlock, Interop-unlock, FullUnlock.....
WTF are they trying to accomplish with all those limitations and making a system so complicated?
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reading is blessing and knowledge.... you not read anything....
only BTTF ROM lock card.... others NOT...
yes, you have File Explorer, just need to install it or is already in ROM....
cab files is compatible with BTTF ROM....
no need any unlock for HD2 ROM-s.... is already unlocked....
jessezx said:
no wondering MS mobile market share is shrinking.
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what is meaning of your post? to show your ignorance?
dxdy said:
reading is blessing and knowledge.... you not read anything....
only BTTF ROM lock card.... others NOT...
yes, you have File Explorer, just need to install it or is already in ROM....
cab files is compatible with BTTF ROM....
no need any unlock for HD2 ROM-s.... is already unlocked....
what is meaning of your post? to show your ignorance?
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- if you think all above listed items are not problems, why don't delete all other posts and leave the only candidate BTTF ROM or recommend BTTF as the best ROM in stick area.
- is there a BTTF 7740 rom? no, you had to upgrade from 7004-> 7403 -> 7720-> 7740
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236027
- I can't get 7004 BTTF rom working in my HD2 after 6 hours, it just freezes in home screen after reboot. Flashing any android rom is less than 1 hour.
- don't you see many dedicated threads about how to revive SD cards?
- side loading has to go through all those hassle, in android, just one check box.
- windows live activation, needs activation code and call customer service to get the code. WTH. signing in android market place is like a breeze.
- in all, just my $0.02.
- Market share is raising, not shrinking.
- SD card in BTTF rom can be unlocked by CAB
- Yes, BTTF rom is 7004 and it's tricky to get it working because of SD card, just read and you will get results
- Actually installing BTTF from scratch to 7740 is better for me, makes you feel more.. customizable, like you have all power of your rom in your hands
- Windows Activation is annoying, just get used to it like others did
- What is MS trying to accomplish? Well I guess to success... And I'm fan, I love WP7.
By the way... every system is complicated when it is not OpenSource.. just be glad to have all these amazing people here and stop complaining.
juniwalk said:
just be glad to have all these amazing people here and stop complaining.
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totally agree... people who not satisfied with WP7 have too much choice and can use what want... this is beauty of game...
i tried all of them and can say: WP7 is best...
idiot
iphone is wide open right?
all android have unlocked bootloader right?
..and I dont get what YOU are trying to say us here
Microsoft was trying to create a more user-friendly and stable OS. and they did it.
Increasing stability means you have to make restrictions. and they did.
You should stay with Android probably if you have a problem with this.
And as said above, Microsofts market-share is growing. It's always hard to start from scratch.
I has not played with windows phone for a long time, just tried wp7 flash recently with HD2. damn, a lot tricky things.
Well, getting an OS running on a device 2 years old that was never officially supposed to have WP on it can take a wee bit of time, it was never going to be easy, be thankful its possible at all
- wp7 lock the SD card
It sure does, its called security, its an SD standard, not a MS one, its just very few have ever bothered to use it
- no file explorer.
on the stock WP OS, you dont need one, if you do need one, then you can get one
- very hard to side load applications.
And MS should make it "easy" for us?, side loading couldnt get any easier, open up WPDM or WPPT select the XAP and click install, how much easier do you want it to be?
- cab file is not back compatible.
Im assuming you mean CABs from Windows Mobile? or perhaps do you mean new CAB installs only work on Yuki/xbox compatible ROMs?, if its the former then actually people are already looking in to making old WM programs work on here, MS doesnt have to provide Backward compatibilty, its a different OS, different APIs and file systems. If it was the latter then thats the nature of modding, we have two systems, a cab updatable and zune updatable OS, or an OS that has all the bits installed but requirers reflashing updates, its called having choice
- certificate chain, Developer-uplock/ChevronWP7 unlock, Interop-unlock, FullUnlock.....
Thats all done on some ROMs and almost done on others, you dont need to worry about it
WTF are they trying to accomplish with all those limitations and making a system so complicated?
lol, its only complicated when you try an do something with it that it wasnt designed for, as an OS out of the box its one of the most simple, quick and well desgined OSs out there, MS got its hands burnt with WM because OEMs and Networks screwed the OS sideways, it wasnt making that mistake again and i dont blame them
no wondering MS mobile market share is shrinking
Of couse MS market share dropping, with WM it was essentially the only PocketPC/Smartphone maker out there, it enjoyed ~90% market share, until everyone else copied it, an to be fair caught MS with their eye off the ball.
i don't know, forcing people to use the cloud is pretty evil in my opinion. all it does is make what was once SECURE DATA completely unsecured.
when the government wants to control the internet, all they have to do is stage a big hakkor attack on "the cloud" and everyone will be so outraged that they will support complete government control over the internet.
How are they "forcing" you to use cloud?
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dazza9075 said:
How are they "forcing" you to use cloud?
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try moving phone contacts to/from a PC without using the cloud
try syncing outlook and calendar with your pc without using the cloud
try moving Microsoft Word/Excel/Powerpoint documents to/from a PC without using the cloud
need any more examples?
Lol, I do all the time, its called exchange, and SharePoint. No one forces you, last time I checked no one held a gun to my head to use live, perhaps you'd rather google, oh wait a min... Funny thing with outlook, since I stopped syncing with it I've never had calendar miss match issues. Also email usually works just fine moving files about. Obviously exchange helps a bit here but no one is forcing you to use live or google
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