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Cyanogen 6.0. Is it way over rated?

Here is a question for everyone. It's not a trolling question, nor is it designed to provoke anger. As a faithfull user of cyanogen 6 since its inception (nightly updates, RC1, RC2, and Full) Lets boil this down.
Things that work:
1. Its fast as hell.
2. No sense (makes it fast as hell).
3. Highly customizable
4. ADW tweaks are nice.
5. Feel free to add something else in here.
6. Nice screen rotation for car mounting.
7. Oh ya....its fast as hell and, as has been posted in here a million times, "...is buttery smooth."
Things that still don't work at all or work well:
1. HDMI
2. 4G
3. Radio
4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday)
5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are)
So......essentially....except for some modest, user appreciable "non-sense" speed boosts....this ROM actually removes some pretty darn important features.
Explain the logic of this to me?
Cyanogen has done excellent work. I am not trying to squelch that, but he (and his team) seem to be unable to resolve issues EVO users should and do find important.
With the new sense roms out there and their subsequent kernal releases, they perform, user appreciably, nearly the same as this rom with all the above MAJOR FUNCTIONS working. (Linpak, FPS2d, and Quadrant scores for which I can reproduce screen shots)
So, you get a fast rom with few of exceptional functions / features this phone is capable of.
Do you think maybe....the rom is a crutch for the phone.
Just one man's humble opinion. Maybe further versions with the important features useable will kick butt. For now......Come on. What is the obsession?
Would someone please explain my confusion on this seemingly obvious question.
So....Ill keep it as a nandroid backup. For what? I don't know.
-JZ

Pro: Stagefright AAC decoding patch implemented in CM6
Con: Bluetooth prevents phone from sleeping

I agree.. seems ridiculous to me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I don't really want to get nit picky, but I agree with your points, and it's personally not the rom for me. At least not in its current state.

Didn't you post this in the CM6 thread?

all the features in cm6 currently PWN 4g and hdmi. for those that other are either fooling theirselves or havent really actually played with the rom
-i mean really, hdmi is nice, but you cant even use it to its full extent now...why waste the time? a saying that comes to mind "if you gonna do something, do it big" or "why halfass when you'll just have to come back and finish it up later"
sorry i just dont think a HALF working hdmi in sense or even stock roms for that matter are worth bragging about.
-4g is NICE, however its only ONE phone that has this option as of right now (excluding the samsung epic that just launched today). It makes NO sense at all to focus on a feature that is only exclusive to ONE phone...not to mention the code for 4g is intricately woven into Sense, so it takes some time to remove and code for it
-Radio? Seriously? It just seems like yer being a hater here.... I do realize having the FM radio is nice and all....but even in the stock roms you have to have gay ass headphones.
With all the pandora radio, stitcher radio and other podcast..... is it REALLY that big of a deal? i think not especially since i dont have to be on a leash with headphones and can play through my speaker
-NO other rom has a higher bitpool for bluetooth aka if you use a2dp to stream to your car's stereo...unless your using cm6.... your stream is gonna sound like ****!!! This is a BIGGGG feature
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
as far as the voicemail...i dont use sprint's voicemail on this phone....i link it to my gvoice....but i can definitely understand the frustration not being able to get to your vmail.
i guess people like cm6 because it pwns and own all while not being a bloatware king and slowing **** down

ya....i wasn't sure where the "most appropriate" place to post it was. You know how folks won't answer your question/quandry, but rather say, "this isn't the appropriate place for this." So....pre-empting that I posted it in both places in case one gets deleted.

They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.

it pwns? with modest appreciable speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
4g, hdmi, (ill give you the radio), mms (not sending messages with photos or sound or both attached) are not little things. Also....if you have a decent HDMI set it will recognize the settings and accomodate....so come on. OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE.
The sense roms have comprable linpak, quadrant, and BETTER fps2d scores.
Im not hating....just posting OBJECTIVE findings.

rubixmaster said:
They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.
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My thoughts exactly.

Nope.
HDMI? Why would I want that in a phone?
4G? I'm not in a 4g area.
Radio? Haha.. why? It never worked right for me anyway and my Zune gets better reception.
MMS - I sent my wife a picture just yesterday. No issues there.
VM - I use GV and always have. No issues.

jasonziter said:
it pwns? with modest speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
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Bro, I'm not going to do research for you. If you haven't already, flash CM6 final on your phone. If it doesn't fly compared to a Sense ROM, you are doing something wrong or you need to return your phone.

goodelyfe said:
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
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That is SMS (aka texting) and the 160 character limit is the CDMA technology limit, has nothing to do with a ROM. MMS (aka picture/multimedia mail) is what he is referring to. But I'm not sure exactly what problems he's referring to, because I though MMS worked fine on my phone when I had CM on it.
You feel it is faster by far then other roms, that is your opinion, hard factual numbers do not necessarily agree with you. I didn't want to get into the nit picky, as I stated before, because honestly I respect CM for doing things I could never dream of doing. But your post reads as if a one sided defensive retort. Prove him wrong in his stance, saying it feels faster does not do so, because that is one of it's few claims to fame.
And yes, I've run multiple nightlies, and ran RC1, I did not care for any of them enough to keep me around long. I am waiting however for 6.1 and look forward to trying it out.

Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.

jasonziter said:
Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.
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You're asking him to do the testing to back up his point, when you're the one with the challenge?
BUT
I might have just found something I'm interested in and maybe I'll do the testing you're asking for today during my afternoon at work.
Fresh installed FreakEvo and Fresh CM 6.0 running the gambit.

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lol dude!!! lol 'dont show me emotionally'
it seems you and maybe another are the ones who are getting upset/emotional
lol
you ask us our opinions, then you 'attack' us for them.....and your rebuttal is back it up with objective data....
dude its not that serious.
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I understand your curiosity about what makes it measurably better, but I don't undestand what makes you think anyone would be motivated to win you over..
I love CM6 and am very happy to be running it on my phone, it's smooth and reliable and I'm happy with it. I could give a **** if you like it or decide to start using it.
If you don't see the value, and if you prefere a sense based rom then use a sense based rom. If you want to know the difference then flash them both and run your objective tests and share the results with the community. It would be interesting to know but I don't forsee anyone providing you with this data in an attempt to convince you to become a CM6 user.
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?

Zergburger that is a mighty quadrant score indeed. What were you OC'ed to in that?

nebenezer said:
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?
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^this^ lol

Sooooo did ANYONE get the update today? Post your results please.

Well I doubt it seeing as sprint said they are having a issue getting it to google for distribution..
So that is their way of saying, we are sorry but no update and we have no ETA of when we will get it out. They are just pointing the finger at google, the same crap they always try to do.. Its never their fault, just everyone elses.

See here ... you can update it manually if you wish and there are screenshots / results being posted there already.
Tgrable, many people are seeing the OTA update now.

I think this update may have very well fixed a problem with the radio trying to find signal on Sprint towers vs roaming. I usually have to use roam control at home, but after a FULL stock restore, and installing this update; It just stays on roaming.
Too early to tell all what is fixed/if battery life is better. But hopefully it helps. I'll check 3G upload when I get in town later.
Though oddly, it seems to have killed clockwork.
If you get the same result; just re-do Clockwork via noobnl's method; works fine. Getting ready to test a custom kernel to make sure it didn't break anything.
(UPDATE)
Flashing the mixup kernel worked just fine. No problems I can see so far; so it looks like we are OK.

So guess what, to all the people who say upload doesn't matter.
My google maps took forever to load - i have traffic and satellite images enabled.
After this update, they are INSTANT. I tried it right before the update and they were their usual slow selves. NOW wherever I scroll it's instantly up.
Now sure you are saying "well they fixed the download too" however my download speeds haven't really increased. Just wanted to point out UPLOAD SPEED matters too!

J3ff said:
So guess what, to all the people who say upload doesn't matter.
My google maps took forever to load - i have traffic and satellite images enabled.
After this update, they are INSTANT. I tried it right before the update and they were their usual slow selves. NOW wherever I scroll it's instantly up.
Now sure you are saying "well they fixed the download too" however my download speeds haven't really increased. Just wanted to point out UPLOAD SPEED matters too!
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I honestly think they just did some tweaks to the 3G radio drivers all together. Upload wouldn't affect what you are talking about, as that is ALL downloaded. Upload is only content coming FROM your phone pushed to the web.
But yeah, overall it seems ALOT better. I think there were more bugs in the 3G radio than we realized. Hopefully everyone gets a good experience.

Dameon87 said:
I honestly think they just did some tweaks to the 3G radio drivers all together. Upload wouldn't affect what you are talking about, as that is ALL downloaded.
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Sure it would. Google Maps is a highly interactive app, constantly sending requests up to Google's map servers to retrieve map tiles for different areas and zoom levels, then displaying them.

boomerbubba said:
Sure it would. Google Maps is a highly interactive app, constantly sending requests up to Google's map servers to retrieve map tiles for different areas and zoom levels, then displaying them.
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It's funny how most people really don't understand that upload MATTERS.
A few days in a row here at my house I had 30mb down but my upload was only 128k - you wouldn't believe how horrible my basic browsing experience was.
Tech came, swapped modems, my upload went back to normal (5mb) and I could thankfully browse the web again!
While cruising google maps upload is absolutely important!!

Can actually get 1 bar of 4g at my house where I never could and gained a 3rd 3g bar in my room where I have always had 2 or less. More testing needed but seems alright
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update is on hold for right now

ajac said:
update is on hold for right now
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What? .

3G > Upload speeds increased. I'm getting up to 450kbps ^
Conversely, DL speeds seem to have decreased, but just a bit (though I haven't yet run enough tests to completely confirm this)
4G > After the updated, I've definitely seen an increase in DL speeds. I was maxing at around 7.9Mbps and now it's closer to 9Mbps. I am in Cali where they're still working on the network so this increase may not have been due to the update.
Major downer....I wasn't having all the GPS issues I've heard others having. My device would lock within 15 seconds and sometimes faster. Since doing the update I can't get a lock at all.

zulubushi said:
3G > Upload speeds increased. I'm getting up to 450kbps ^
Conversely, DL speeds seem to have decreased, but just a bit (though I haven't yet run enough tests to completely confirm this)
4G > After the updated, I've definitely seen an increase in DL speeds. I was maxing at around 7.9Mbps and now it's closer to 9Mbps. I am in Cali where they're still working on the network so this increase may not have been due to the update.
Major downer....I wasn't having all the GPS issues I've heard others having. My device would lock within 15 seconds and sometimes faster. Since doing the update I can't get a lock at all.
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My downloads have been horrible since the update on 3g.

I'm still capped. I guess I have to revert to stock and try it.

With 4g now working at home where I sit in my laziest position, I did a speed test
4G On
Download: 3649
Upload: 1148
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With 4g now working at home where I sit in my laziest position, I did a speed test
Download: 3649
Upload: 1148
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those are still pretty lame 4g speeds...right?

zulubushi said:
3G > Upload speeds increased. I'm getting up to 450kbps ^
Conversely, DL speeds seem to have decreased, but just a bit (though I haven't yet run enough tests to completely confirm this)
4G > After the updated, I've definitely seen an increase in DL speeds. I was maxing at around 7.9Mbps and now it's closer to 9Mbps. I am in Cali where they're still working on the network so this increase may not have been due to the update.
Major downer....I wasn't having all the GPS issues I've heard others having. My device would lock within 15 seconds and sometimes faster. Since doing the update I can't get a lock at all.
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Ok, some weirdness. Downloaded GPS Test from AppBrain and all is well now. Don't know what changed, but I'm seeing 8 Satellites and locking on 7. My accuracy is 98.4 feet (30 meters in Google Maps). My SNR is in the high 20's. Seems to lock pretty quickly now (almost instantly) in Google Maps.
Where I'm at (I'm at work now as opposed to home where I was testing earlier) I'm getting close to 2Mbps on 3G down.
All in all, it WOULD appear that this update was good for my stock device.

kbps....
But yeah they are weak but with only one bar barely hanging on, but never had 4G spillover this strong before
3G on with new extra 3rd bar
Download: 1101
Upload: 510
What sucks is they no longer give out the air raves(name) for free and have to pay that puto ass fee to rent it every month.
Get this... they ended the free air raves if you had terrible signal about 3 weeks ago and I called about three days after it ended when they gave me the bad news.
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Well I didn't have to go to complete stock, just stock kernel then just root it. I'll guess we need to wait for the custom kernels to incorporate this new patches stuff.

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Now getting average of 600-800kbps upload! ​

GB Impressions

Ok, aside from the bootloop issue upon install, I have to say so far, not bad. The blur aspect is definitely better, however I dont care for it any more now than I did before. The color scheme is quite visually appealing. Very much like lucid steel theme for fission. I would prefer the scheme from the fission gb theme but this is absolutely an improvement over the stock froyo appearance.
Overall system speed seems to be somewhat improved, and there is a big issue w/ launcher pro which sucks. with launcher pro there is some heavy lag in transitions and the general feel of the phone is kind of clunky and choppy. Without launcherpro, phone tends to run quite smooth. no status bar controls kinda sucks, and the reduced screen density w/o launcher pro is also kind of a downer, but overall im not going to complain. Its definitely progress.
One big downside I noticed after 2 days is battery life is very hit or miss. On fission 2.6.1, i was making it easily 1.5-2 days on a single charge. Yesterday I made it home with 40% left, today I was at 10% when i left work. I can attribute this heavily to Blur, but this is definatley somethign that a new fission or UD build should fix

I have to say that since the devs seemed to have abandoned the Fission project, I haven't looked back since upgrading to GB Blur. it's snappy and attractive and while it still has alot of the blur bloat i hate, root + ti backup makes things a little more manageable.
so far, i've managed to remove teh global unplug, task manager, the blur text messenger, backup asssistant and city id. my battery life is probably slightly better than it was on fission, depending on what i'm doing (games seem to destroy it).
we still have to recognize that this IS a leaked version and there are still some misses with the build. data services randomly failing, inability to make calls/send texts and the weird keyboard backlight issue. other than that, i've been pretty pleased.

I just upgraded yesterday and I am very happy with it
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They are making a fission GB right now.. I'm almost positive that Angdroid was busy with some stuff but now hes back

GSletta said:
They are making a fission GB right now.. I'm almost positive that Angdroid was busy with some stuff but now hes back
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Seems he indicated he was looking at it, but made no promises of an updated ROM on teamdefuse's website, twitter, or this forum...
Did you see something else where he said he was specifically working on GB Fission?

I think GB for the D2 makes some major improvements, but I can't give up liberty for it. Just have to wait and see if Liberty GB comes out.

dudeSDCA said:
Seems he indicated he was looking at it, but made no promises of an updated ROM on teamdefuse's website, twitter, or this forum...
Did you see something else where he said he was specifically working on GB Fission?
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yeah i thought that topic came up when the sdk was made available, but nothing ever really came to light. i feel like after p3droid's recent tweets/posts, etc., the landscape has been drying up.

I got the impression from what p3 said that the devs were under some fire as google seems to be having second thoughts about open source, as well as unpaid tethering raising some eyebrows with teh carriers, which is understandable.
Hopefully once things get ironed out we'll see some ovens refire and some cool stuff gettin rolled out.
I'm still kind of split and definitely agree that gaming on gb is a battery killer in a huge way. Overall battery life is good, however i've had a few days where it just sucked down. Ive been off charge since 6am, 12 hours later with minimal-moderate useage i'm at 70%, however there have been days where I have used the phone way less and been getting charge warnings by 2pm.
Hopefully the official release will solve the rest of these issues.

All I can say is that I hope some custom ROMs are available for Droid 2 Gingerbread soon, because what I have now is buggy to the point of being frustrating. Besides being a memory hog, I sometimes lose my data connection for no apparent reason and my keyboard backlight doesn't always work. Also, even when I do have a data connection, my phone has problems loading web pages much of the time.
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that the screen sometimes randomly shuts off without warning.
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if you have an issue with the screen randomly shutting off try unchecked the in pocket detection setting. I found this was way to sensitive and would consistently shut my screen off in dimly lit areas.

yeah, battery life has become sketchy, like one day i'll make it through the day with 60% left with moderate useage, similar useage next day i'll be charging by noon. USB reboots have reared their ugly head in the last 48 hours to the point where im charging off of the wall outlet and seriously considering sbfing back to fission 2.6.1

To this point I haven't had any major problems whatsoever ...
Only thing is browser sometimes crashes ...batt life is amazing!
9hr shift on work barely drops to 70% with wifi always turned on moderate txt n web
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SIgh WTF getting whitescreen ....cant get back to CWMR, tried every thing....wtf ..... is this bootlooping? NO MATTER WHAT I do can not get back into recovery.
I have a trick to acces any files but most of them seem corrupted? Im only guesing as there is now a "?" by the file icon.
I tried loading bootsrap recovery
phone appeared bricked. rebooted and again cannot get into recovery.
I laready had 2.3 rom ...did I miss something? IM usually pretty good on this stuff. Modded my hd2 and rooted my g2x no issues....what dee hell is dis sheot
(mods move if I am posting in wrong section)
SOB me having bad day...lol...just realised this is the dev thread not general...I suck .....POINTS!!!!!
EDIT:
AH HA!!!! I was able to get to CWMR by an interesting method! I had previusly DL mini task manager(took it off the market for some reason) and thats THE ONLY ap that was working!
so anyways in the info bar at top it was showing mini task coming up .... Somehow it was acting as a backup! (has any one else experienced this?) so I long tapped on bootstrap rec icon and voila! it asked if I wanted to go into bootstrap and of course I did and .....yes!!! thank you cwm i got to the recovery green screen!!
FIrst I tried Tpro recovery....would not work....tried loading bootstrapzip....nothing...so....I figure since all my shizzle is backed up through my google act I did a factory reset, wipe data, and redid the new GB hack.
VOILA! it loaded ! no bootloop! just had to re-register phone and accounts!
so I leave you with this narcissistic picture of myself....
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Hey everyone,
I've been running GB and ZS for about a week now. The one thing that I noticed was that there isn't anywhere where you can turn off mobile data? Maybe I'm blind, but it's not in wireless and networks? Any ideas? If not, oh well. I still think I found something in GB that's keeping me from going back to 2.2. It's just as stable as 2.2 only faster! Anyways, cheers all!

Seanydizzley said:
Hey everyone,
I've been running GB and ZS for about a week now. The one thing that I noticed was that there isn't anywhere where you can turn off mobile data? Maybe I'm blind, but it's not in wireless and networks? Any ideas? If not, oh well. I still think I found something in GB that's keeping me from going back to 2.2. It's just as stable as 2.2 only faster! Anyways, cheers all!
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It should be under
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-enable data saver mode
That should only downloads over wifi only

tnygigles66 said:
It should be under
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That should only downloads over wifi only
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Of course its there. Lol. Didn't even think of that. A nice thanks coming your way!

RandomROM 2.3 v2 "Hawk"

Greetings All,
I've been running the title line ROM for several days now and am impressed with it in general. This sucker uses next to nothing in terms of juice when the screen is off and when my Epic is "sleeping". I've been getting an average of 38 hours with my useage; by comparison, on stock I would be lucky to see 22 hours. On SRF ROMs for example, I would average 28 hours (which I was pleased with)...but got bit by the damn flashing bug and, as much as I say "hmmm, I'll stick with this one", well
It's pretty important for me to get a minimum of 24hrs of battery time on my phone due to my schedule, convenience (or lack of) with charging opportunities away from home. SRF ROMs have been really good for that; Hawk has garnered 10 more hours, most excellent.
The flash went great, no issues, I haven't experienced any FC's, the apparent memory leakage has been minimal, and most everything I need to work does. My data speeds (using EG22) are the same crappy speeds, tried EF, EG and EH modems that were either worse in some area or battery drainers. The ROM itself is snappy, good looking, and did I mention the battery life is great?
I only have one issue: A couple of apps I use to have are no longer "available" on the provided version of the market ("Black Market"). One of them is a paid app that I used every day, is pretty important for my job and is kind of a deal breaker (custom shift calendar/time tracking/scheduling app). I'm sure it has something to do with either the market version or perhaps even GB and not the fault of the ROM...so no slams whatsoever directed to it or to RandomKing.
Is it possible to flash a different Android Market version? I would imagine it depends on what phone signature it sees as to availability of apps(?).
Also, just as an aesthetic thing, I very much liked the on-screen keyboard that was provided with shane's Dark Horse theme...would it be possible to pull that apk, pop it into my system folder and run it on this ROM?
Anyways, great ROM RK (if you read this), thank you very much for your efforts. If I can get my app issue resolved, this will be my daily driver for quite some time.
Aww who am I kiddin'...it'll be my daily until that damn flashing itch overcomes my will

I am newish to the whole 'flashing' thing, but this is my third ROM and so far I am loving it much more than the others. Thanks RK!!
battery life seems great..
runs very smoothly
like the font
like that the kernel comes with the ROM
fast
haven't had any re-boot issues (that i know of)

do NOT quote me on this, but i had a similar problem back when i owned an OG droid. My market sucked balls and started to FC a lot, and sometimes when i would flash a new ROM it wouldn't see some apps. What i did was downloaded the default GAPPS zip and extract the APK and install it. easy, and it fixed this. also, with the keyboard thing, i'm not sure. i'd imagine you'd have to find a zip to flash it. but the keyboard is through an APK as well...so go to the system/app folder and extract it see if that works? again, don't quote me on this stuff, i'm probably totally wrong.

Have to agree. Fantastic rom everything works to perfection. Although my battery
life is not near what everybody claims.

Yes the font the snappiness of the phone even though the benchmarks don't equal
the performance.

yea. people claim to have like over 9000 hours of battery life. the only way i achieve this is by turning off 3g whenever i don't use it which is like, 60% of my day. he achieves the battery saving by disabling a lot of stuff that's kinda important to most. like email notifications and stuff...but meh, it works. Random Hawk is a beast. can't wait for his actual release once source gets leaked since this is Alpha.

Nice Rom
Been on this one for a few days. It's a good one.

Im at 15h 26m 55s and @ 53% battery life right now.
I started with fresh battery stats by booting to CWM and resetting the stats right after it was fully charged..
Wifi and email notifications are ALWAYS on. I spent about a half hour on the phone so far, turned alarm on, downloaded about 10 apps, played ~30 minutes of angry birds last night and checked my mail about every 20 minutes (when I was awake of course) Also spent some time texting.
Also OC'd to 1.2 Ghz
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This is A LOT better battery life than I usually get.
The reason I am not connected to Wifi is because I just got to work and haven't logged into the network yet!

EddyBalls said:
he achieves the battery saving by disabling a lot of stuff that's kinda important to most. like email notifications and stuff...
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I have wifi, 3G, and 1 hour email notifications at all times. I only disable google sync. But that's only because I use stock mail rather than the gmail app and don't synchronize my calendar.
-Sent from my Random Epic.

Well, I've got my issues resolved and this ROM is flyin'. Definately a keeper.
@Eddyballs
Went a 'round about way to get my missing apps installed (MyBackupRoot is a beautiful thing), now all is good. Keyboard was a bust...once I got the apk installed, it just FC'ed. No biggie. Went to the Market and got a GB keyboard (unthemed) and now it's somewhat to my liking (I don't care much for the Swype keyboard). Thanks for your input.
@turbosocks
Damn good numbers!
@ RandomKing
Thanks again sir for an excellent ROM. Can't wait to try your next build!

RandomKing said:
I have wifi, 3G, and 1 hour email notifications at all times. I only disable google sync. But that's only because I use stock mail rather than the gmail app and don't synchronize my calendar.
-Sent from my Random Epic.
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Stock email is good, but ya I've turned off google sync too and I get better battery life. Wifi's policy is great, and 3g is ok. Sometimes 3g uses more battery than wifi. Its odd but yea. Oh and I kinda hate to bring it up here, but since you're here Mr. RandomKing, the rom keeps resetting on me at times. I'll send a txt to someone sometimes and I get that triple vibrating thing, then my phone resets. Not fully but softly. It happens at random too, not just with txts.
lol my Epic made you look

VooDooOmen said:
@Eddyballs
Went a 'round about way to get my missing apps installed (MyBackupRoot is a beautiful thing), now all is good. Keyboard was a bust...once I got the apk installed, it just FC'ed. No biggie. Went to the Market and got a GB keyboard (unthemed) and now it's somewhat to my liking (I don't care much for the Swype keyboard). Thanks for your input.
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Np, im just hating myself for not being that helpful. I wish I knew more. Someday, someday... but glad you got yourself up and running. If you want a better keyboard I can upload my flashable gb-kb? Its my favorite so far and its not stock either. Its modded
lol made you look

EddyBalls said:
Stock email is good, but ya I've turned off google sync too and I get better battery life. Wifi's policy is great, and 3g is ok. Sometimes 3g uses more battery than wifi. Its odd but yea. Oh and I kinda hate to bring it up here, but since you're here Mr. RandomKing, the rom keeps resetting on me at times. I'll send a txt to someone sometimes and I get that triple vibrating thing, then my phone resets. Not fully but softly. It happens at random too, not just with txts.
lol my Epic made you look
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Finally got the time to install this. Totally worked. My goodness you're awesome.

[REF]Signal/modem comparison

Figure I could start a signal/modem comparison thread and people could add to it if they wanted.
For my tests I used the following
Application Network Signal Info from the market (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.android.telnet&hl=en)
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Phone was sitting in same spot for all tests connected to same network and wifi router
Network being used was Rogers Wireless in Canada and I was located in Montreal
Rogers uses 850/1900 for 3G and 2G services. Same as Bell, Telus and ATT in North America
Phone is running latest ICS Wanam ROM based on XWLP7
Modems can be found in various places but the 2 locations I have gotten them from are
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131950
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1277593
Speedtests where not performed since I was mainly testing for signal. You can add those results to your tests if you wish
For results measurements were taken every 2 min. Please note not all radios are supported by the app I mentioned and also I haven’t tested all of them so feel free to add your own results but please post he following
Location (country/city)
Provider
Frequencies they use if you know
Feel free to post your results but please do not post requesting someone test a radio for you. You can do it yourself so no need to have someone do the work for you. Post your results in here

Hey, that's great and all but... How do your results translate? Any impressions on these particular results?
**EDIT** Post taken from a random forum for information:
The difference between -72dB and -75dB won't be noticable because they are both well above the minimum threshold of somewhere around -100dB to -105dB for GSM. If you take the 3dB difference between -99dB and -102dB then it could mean the difference between dropping the call or not. Generally, you can say, for GSM:
-105 to -100 = Bad/drop call
-99 to -90 = Getting bad/signal may break up
-89 to -80 = OK/shouldn't have problems, but maybe
-79 to -65 = Good
Over -65 = Excellent
....but keep in mind, it's not the phones reception but it's uplink transmit power that limits the range of the phone.

karendar said:
Hey, that's great and all but... How do your results translate? Any impressions on these particular results?
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When dealing with signal measurements I would rather display the numbers and not give impressions.
Overall I have never had any issues with reception or speeds on my device but I still like knowing what I am actually getting in terms of stats from one radio to another. From the info I got seems XXLPR s worst 3G performer on rogers vs the other 2 radios having at least 6db difference. Other then that wifi difference was marginal from one to another.
We shouldn't start comparing impressions and statistical data. I would prefer this thread simply be about hard numbers.
People can have their own impressions. Obviously my results may vary from everyone else but still a thread like this could come in handy for people asking about radios. Results will vary depending on traffic, location ,router etc

fidorulz said:
When dealing with signal measurements I would rather display the numbers and not give impressions.
Overall I have never had any issues with reception or speeds on my device but I still like knowing what I am actually getting in terms of stats from one radio to another.
We shouldn't start comparing impressions and statistical data. I would prefer this thread simply be about hard numbers.
People can have their own impressions. Obviously my results may vary from everyone else but still a thread like this could come in handy for people asking about radios
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I personally hit alot of dead-zones with Fido/Rogers around my work area, which isn't really a justifiable test for modems... And anyways, I'm sure your results would be very similar to what I can pull.

karendar said:
I personally hit alot of dead-zones with Fido/Rogers around my work area, which isn't really a justifiable test for modems... And anyways, I'm sure your results would be very similar to what I can pull.
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Well if there are locations where you are on the limit of coverage doing these tests would be even more beneficial as radios will also perform differently based on reception available.
If your able to test please post what you can

it maybe be worth to also include battery drain for modems? i know this would be impractical to test out but atleast the testers could mention what they observe

WiFi performance has nothing directly to do with the baseband/modem...

zonehack said:
it maybe be worth to also include battery drain for modems? i know this would be impractical to test out but atleast the testers could mention what they observe
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For battery drain many more factors other then the radio that play a part such as display and applications so it may not be the best info to provide. Mainly want to focus on signal strength for network and wifi and maybe speeds also

LenAsh said:
WiFi performance has nothing directly to do with the baseband/modem...
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I know the kernel plays a big part but the modem has to also have a part in the wifi
maybe im wrong

Nope...

Funny thing is I've tested between different modems (kj1, lpq, lpj, lps, and lpr) and got the same results for all (89db). Really is there any point to this, flash any modem and receive the same results.

snappy123 said:
Funny thing is I've tested between different modems (kj1, lpq, lpj, lps, and lpr) and got the same results for all (89db). Really is there any point to this, flash any modem and receive the same results.
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Some of those wont work with the app you should get a pop up saying so bu LPS and LPR should give variations.
Even without moving the signal should change once in a while

I think that the most important thing to a modem is the voice quality. Unfortunatelly, for the voice quality we can give only impressions and not numbers for comparing modems.
Best regards.

How about this people should post the carrier, country and frequencies the carrier uses and the modem they think is best and why
Seems we can't all agree on what to specify but let's at least post modem info and carrier/country info
I just figured people need a reference thread of this kind

Can you re-run the test at another time, say between 2am and 5am, and in a different order, you might find very different results.
Due to frequent network fluctuations, your results will vary considerably depending on the current state of the network.
In order to get a real handle on the best modem, you have to many back to back tests, at different times of the day.
I have done much testing myself of modems, and as it shows in your results, there is not much discernible differences between the latest ICS modems, but it's interesting none the less.
BTW wifi has nothing to do with the modem/radio, but is related to the kernel.

Damienoid said:
Can you re-run the test at another time, say between 2am and 5am, and in a different order, you might find very different results.
Due to frequent network fluctuations, your results will vary considerably depending on the current state of the network.
In order to get a real handle on the best modem, you have to many back to back tests, at different times of the day.
I have done much testing myself of modems, and as it shows in your results, there is not much discernible differences between the latest ICS modems, but it's interesting none the less.
BTW wifi has nothing to do with the modem/radio, but is related to the kernel.
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Good to know maybe speeds can also be a focus for the modem info posted

snappy123 said:
Funny thing is I've tested between different modems (kj1, lpq, lpj, lps, and lpr) and got the same results for all (89db). Really is there any point to this, flash any modem and receive the same results.
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If I recall correct this is caused by Samsungs software.
You should go to Settings > About > Status to see the actual signal reading.
Bare with me on the instructions as I'm doing this by degrading memory

mccune said:
If I recall correct this is caused by Samsungs software.
You should go to Settings > About > Status to see the actual signal reading.
Bare with me on the instructions as I'm doing this by degrading memory
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Yes Settings > About > Status is correct it will show the dbm level there too

mccune said:
If I recall correct this is caused by Samsungs software.
You should go to Settings > About > Status to see the actual signal reading.
Bare with me on the instructions as I'm doing this by degrading memory
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yes, i checked the results there aswell. the one thing however since switching from kj1 (standard modem for vodafone in australia) to lpr is my battery life improved dramatically.
using betterbatterystat app the 'RILJ' now is under 10s wakelock, while kj1 had it in the 3-5min mark. both at about 10hours of usage.

Damienoid said:
BTW wifi has nothing to do with the modem/radio, but is related to the kernel.
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LenAsh said:
WiFi performance has nothing directly to do with the baseband/modem...
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That can't be true.. I had an issue with not being able to connect to my work's wireless network. It worked with the KI4 modem, but not with KH3... If I flashed between them, I could connect to the wi-fi network. Surely that indicates that the modem has some bearing on the wi-fi functionality? Also, I guess GPS is unaffected by different modems?