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Hi all.
Today we have purchased our first device for our developer Olipro...Midget is soon to follow.
The unit cost £425.00 no managers about to give me a discount. But the Ameo is mint )
After sending it insured to Olipro tomorrow morning, it should be with him by this Saturday morning. The balance of the funds then will be shown here, but sent straight to Midgets Paypal account to kickstart the donations for Midget's device...
Please guys & gals we really need your support again. If you can donate anything, it all helps. Don't mean to *****, but if fellow member 'antivirus' hadn't strung us along from the start, I think we may have already had our results.
Instead he has caused us to keep shifting the goal post and pushing progress back..anyway we've moved on now.
The balance of what's left should be about £120.00 or more..but I'll donate again to help get things moving again.
Donate to the special link in Midgets signature. Cheers.
If you can...please donate for Midgets device as with your help we have already got Olipros device.
Thanks again all for your help and support in getting this realised.
Mark
Yes, I can say this whole Antivirus/Reiner debacle has been a major bloody pain in the arse, I would go as far to say there was never any Athenas, the whole thing has been a sham to string us along with alterior motives unknown; possibly to get in touch with members of the community, who knows, either way, the whole thing stunk of bull****, right up to the fact that he claimed to have posted the device off and said he's "scan in" the tracking code... honestly, it's no problem to type the code out.
anyway, there's my two cents, clearly this guy doesn't know the meaning of courtesy or business, so, there we go.
antivirus (german user) was involved here?
if only i would have known....
he told so much ****, postet that much weird stuff on the biggest german ppc forum that every german user could haven warned you. of course that doesn't automatically mean that he's a liar or whatever, but i know this guy just posts fake stuff and is a total pain in the ass. sry to say that, i didn't know he was involved in this project.
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antivirus (german user) was involved here?
if only i would have known....
he told so much ****, postet that much weird stuff on the biggest german ppc forum that every german user could haven warned you. of course that doesn't automatically mean that he's a liar or whatever, but i know this guy just posts fake stuff and is a total pain in the ass. sry to say that, i didn't know he was involved in this project.
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Haha lol. Thanks for confirming what we have now come to learn. I think we could have already achieved the projects objectives if it were not for him.
Well all's well that ends well. Cheers zwuncki.
Here's how the story goes:
I bought a brand new MDA Pro a few months ago. I tried to use it as a satnav with iGO but of course that was not possible because the 64mb RAM of the device was not enough. So I decided to upgrade to 128 mb of RAM and I started searching here in xda-developers. I read the section of the Wiki about upgrading and also I found a couple of threads. Well I found out that the best option for me was to send my device to a guy called SHAKAL007 who is located in Czech Repuplic which is the nearest to Greece where I live.
His name was in the wiki's list about the shops around the world that can do the RAM upgrade. I contacted him via email and he replied me immediately to all my questions after a few minutes (very suprising!). He told me that he would need a couple of days to finish the upgrade (software and hardware part) and that he wants 74 Euros for the upgrade and the chips including the P&P fees to send the pda back to me. I found the price very reasonable and agreed to pay him via Paypal immediately as he asked me and the next day I posted my precious device via registered mail.(How stupid I was that I paid extra money for registered post).
After a few days he told me that he received the device and as soon as possible he would do the upgrade and he would send me my pda back to me. I waited a few days but no news from SHAKAL007. I sent him another email asking him if he has finished the upgrade. A few days later he responded to my emails (in the meanwhile I had sent him a few more emails) and he told me that the hardware part of the upgrade has finished but he had a few “software” problems that he finally succeeded to solve and that he would send the pda back to me. That was all.
Please notice that the pda was sent to him on the 26th of November and after more than a whole month I have sent him tons of emails but get no response. In the beginning he claimed that he drives a truck and cannot be online because he is not home. Well I think that is a kind of trick so we dont bother him. That's all RUBBISH!!! I know that he logins in xda-developers all the time. And when I see he's online in xda-developers, I send him emails in his personal email address and of course I get no response but he is just keeping ignoring me.
Hey guys who is this SHAKAL007? As I can see he has only 4 posts since 2006 he became a member of our very helpful to everybody community and all of them are related to the upgrade. The posts are about advertising his business. So in my opinion, this guy has not offered anything to this community but he just uses it to make money and steal other people's devices. I dont know why but perhaps he sells them to Ebay(?). The most funny (or tragical) was that when I was sending all these emails and he was ignoring me I was sending him private messages here in xda-developers as theseas asking him about info on the upgrade. Of course he didnt know that "theseas" is the guy from Greece that has sent him his uni. So the same time that he was ignoring my emails, the same time he was answering me to all my (fake of course) questions here in xda-developers through private messages. Then I was started to think that SHAKAL007 is a SCAMMER because he was still looking for other victims to steal their devices, to do them what? Sell them to Ebay and make money?
I was the best customer and paid him promptly the same day via Paypal. Well SHAKAL007 is not only a SCAMMER but IMPUDENT because he asked me to pay him 74 Euros just to steal my device!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course I know that the mistake is mine and that I am responsible for that but I saw his ****ing name in the wiki. I thought he is confirmed. Who wrote his name in the wiki list, I suppose that he did it for himself.
Perhaps I am wrong but I feel that I had to open this thread just to share my bad experience with you and help you not to loose your pda and your money because as I told you he asks money too!!!!
Perhaps I am wrong but I told you exactly what has happened to me until now and all that I know and have seen about Him until now.
IF I AM WRONG AND WILL EVER RECEIVE MY DEVICE UPGRADED AND IN FULL WORKING ORDER THEN I WILL EDIT THIS POST AND APOLOGISE TO SHAKAL007. I THINK THIS IS FAIR FOR ME AND FOR HIM.
BUT FOR NOW MY ADVICE IS NOT SEND YOUR PRECIOUS UNIVERSAL TO THIS SCAMMER!!!!!!!
MOD EDIT: Removed real life names, see my post below.
this post is reserved for me and I will edit it to apologise to SHAKAL007 if I ever receive my device upgraded and in full working order.
That is very sad hearing about your device. Why dont you approch the Paypal customer support to file a fraud ? Paypal will have their local branches of the service provider to take a legal action. Try to include Paypal in this case as soon as possible. I think he should be banned from our beloved community if found guity.
Well as I can see right now SHAKAL007 signed in in xda-developers today and his last activity here was at 6:44 AM. Of course he has seen the thread because I have posted a visitor's message in his user profile but still no response even after opening a whole thread about him. Also still no response to my emails.
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That is very sad hearing about your device. Why dont you approch the Paypal customer support to file a fraud ? Paypal will have their local branches of the service provider to take a legal action. Try to include Paypal in this case as soon as possible. I think he should be banned from our beloved community if found guity.
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Dealt with Paypal after someone on these forums took my money and admitted he 'forgot' to send the Universal to me. I asked for my money to be returned to me, but he stopped contact and kept my money. Well, Paypal investigated, concluded in my favor and recovered.... USD 0.77 out of USD$150 I paid. And that was the end of it.
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Dealt with Paypal after someone on these forums took my money and admitted he 'forgot' to send the Universal to me. I asked for my money to be returned to me, but he stopped contact and kept my money. Well, Paypal investigated, concluded in my favor and recovered.... USD 0.77 out of USD$150 I paid. And that was the end of it.
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Thanx for your support. As you can see this SCAMMER doesn't ignore only me but ALL OF US who are honest and genuine members of this community. I suppose that he thinks that we ALL are stupid because after a whole thread that I have opened he keeps on ignoring us. As I told you maybe I am mistaken and I am wrong while accusing him. Why he doesnt post a reply just to protect himself and his business he has setup in our beloved forum?
PLEASE CHECK HIS USER PROFILE AND NOTICE THAT HE LOGGED IN TODAY and his last activity was at 6:44 AM.
His user profile: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=276576&vmid=8281
Diamond owner here, but couldn't help but notice this thread as I was scrolling down. This is his supposed address taken from the guest comments in his user profile. The road doesn't seem to match up with the area he mentioned:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&h....077646&spn=0.003338,0.010514&z=17&iwloc=addr
Maybe someone can find his IP address and 'pay' him a visit?
EDIT: Just noticed the following. But street number doesn't match up with the provided address.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&h....081852&spn=0.053364,0.168228&z=13&iwloc=addr
EDIT2: To get the second result, just type 'vitezna' in Google Maps. Something's fishy. I don't understand the address standard of Czech Reublic so maybe a Czech guy can make sense of it.
Waow that sounded really strange. well i guess admins and mods should beaware of his ip incase he fleds his account and goes under another new account here at xda.. i hope you guys will manage to solve this mystery and i hope justice will be brought forward..
AS much as I sympathise with this situation we cannot allow sensitive info such as that posted to be on our forum. There isnt any evidence which shows beyond a doubt that this guy is a scammer, suggest further action is taken along the correct routes.
The info has been removed so xda-developers.com is not in any silly legal situations later on due to this thread. I trust members will comply with this small request?
Has anybody contacted the website host, ISP of the whois entry etc...??
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AS much as I sympathise with this situation we cannot allow sensitive info such as that posted to be on our forum. There isnt any evidence which shows beyond a doubt that this guy is a scammer, suggest further action is taken along the correct routes.
The info has been removed so xda-developers.com is not in any silly legal situations later on due to this thread. I trust members will comply with this small request?
Has anybody contacted the website host, ISP of the whois entry etc...??
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as i have already told to all of the guys here i thank them for their support. perhaps mrvanx's opinion to remove personal and sensitive info is correct but i dont think that it matters because all this information is in the section of the wiki about htc uni ram upgrade. this info has been provided by the xda member that has my device right now exactly for this reason: to be able to approach him so we can upgrade our devices. also you can find this info in his personal site which is dedicated to the upgrade. the link of this site is also in the wiki.
I also agree with mrvanx that we are not sure if this guy is a scammer. I have said it in my first post but until now from all i now and from all that has happened to me by him this guy is a scammer and for me he will be a scammer until the opposite will be proved. And the opposite for me is to get back my device upgraded and in full working order.
Hi all, sorry to hear the bad news, but jus my bit... Mods, wold it not be safe to "remove" shakals007´s name from the upgraders list in the wiki???
Again, just my bit, don´t mean to annoy anyone...
All the best and good luck in getting your device back...
Willy
Here are the steps you need to take if you paid by PayPal.
1. File a dispute claim with PayPal (You are allowed to do this for 45 days from the payment. After 45 days you are out of luck).
2. Go to the open dispute claim and then escalate the claim for PayPal review (You can escalate it any time after filling a dispute claim. The maximum time allowed is 20 days, after that you are out of luck).
3. He has to respond to PayPal. Describe your situation in the PayPal claim.
4. Either he has to ship the item to you with tracking number or you will get your money refunded.
Hope this is helpful!
KOR!
He will receive 74 euro refund and than what? Paypal will not cover the money that hasnt been sent through it...
My advice to theseas, try to go to your police station and report stolen phone to them with IMEI number of your uni if you have a box or a phone store bill... They have the authotiries to forward your request to the police in any EU country. It's a long shot but you never know...
I lost my uni last summer. I set on my scooter, put uni in front pocket and when I arrived to the destination uni was gone Real stupid, and tomake things worse i diddnt have the box with IMEI number so th police could find it easily in my country...
I have already filed a claim through Paypal but I also agree with Duke Nukem that Paypal isnt gonna give me my uni back but Paypal is just the first step. Have also sent again an email to SHAKAL007 and I hope to get a response this time. I am sure that he follows this thread, at least at weekend if he really works as a driver and is at home only at weekend as he has told me but this time he is not stupid to login with his user name. Perhaps I shouldnt have written that I know when he logins in xda-developers by watching his user profile. Now he knows and he wont use his account to login.
theseas said:
Here's how the story goes:
I bought a brand new MDA Pro a few months ago. I tried to use it as a satnav with iGO but of course that was not possible because the 64mb RAM of the device was not enough. So I decided to upgrade to 128 mb of RAM and I started searching here in xda-developers. I read the section of the Wiki about upgrading and also I found a couple of threads. Well I found out that the best option for me was to send my device to a guy called SHAKAL007 who is located in Czech Repuplic which is the nearest to Greece where I live.
His name was in the wiki's list about the shops around the world that can do the RAM upgrade. I contacted him via email and he replied me immediately to all my questions after a few minutes (very suprising!). He told me that he would need a couple of days to finish the upgrade (software and hardware part) and that he wants 74 Euros for the upgrade and the chips including the P&P fees to send the pda back to me. I found the price very reasonable and agreed to pay him via Paypal immediately as he asked me and the next day I posted my precious device via registered mail.(How stupid I was that I paid extra money for registered post).
After a few days he told me that he received the device and as soon as possible he would do the upgrade and he would send me my pda back to me. I waited a few days but no news from SHAKAL007. I sent him another email asking him if he has finished the upgrade. A few days later he responded to my emails (in the meanwhile I had sent him a few more emails) and he told me that the hardware part of the upgrade has finished but he had a few “software” problems that he finally succeeded to solve and that he would send the pda back to me. That was all.
Please notice that the pda was sent to him on the 26th of November and after more than a whole month I have sent him tons of emails but get no response. In the beginning he claimed that he drives a truck and cannot be online because he is not home. Well I think that is a kind of trick so we dont bother him. That's all RUBBISH!!! I know that he logins in xda-developers all the time. And when I see he's online in xda-developers, I send him emails in his personal email address and of course I get no response but he is just keeping ignoring me.
Hey guys who is this SHAKAL007? As I can see he has only 4 posts since 2006 he became a member of our very helpful to everybody community and all of them are related to the upgrade. The posts are about advertising his business. So in my opinion, this guy has not offered anything to this community but he just uses it to make money and steal other people's devices. I dont know why but perhaps he sells them to Ebay(?). The most funny (or tragical) was that when I was sending all these emails and he was ignoring me I was sending him private messages here in xda-developers as theseas asking him about info on the upgrade. Of course he didnt know that "theseas" is the guy from Greece that has sent him his uni. So the same time that he was ignoring my emails, the same time he was answering me to all my (fake of course) questions here in xda-developers through private messages. Then I was started to think that SHAKAL007 is a SCAMMER because he was still looking for other victims to steal their devices, to do them what? Sell them to Ebay and make money?
I was the best customer and paid him promptly the same day via Paypal. Well SHAKAL007 is not only a SCAMMER but IMPUDENT because he asked me to pay him 74 Euros just to steal my device!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course I know that the mistake is mine and that I am responsible for that but I saw his ****ing name in the wiki. I thought he is confirmed. Who wrote his name in the wiki list, I suppose that he did it for himself.
Perhaps I am wrong but I feel that I had to open this thread just to share my bad experience with you and help you not to loose your pda and your money because as I told you he asks money too!!!!
Perhaps I am wrong but I told you exactly what has happened to me until now and all that I know and have seen about Him until now.
IF I AM WRONG AND WILL EVER RECEIVE MY DEVICE UPGRADED AND IN FULL WORKING ORDER THEN I WILL EDIT THIS POST AND APOLOGISE TO SHAKAL007. I THINK THIS IS FAIR FOR ME AND FOR HIM.
BUT FOR NOW MY ADVICE IS NOT SEND YOUR PRECIOUS UNIVERSAL TO THIS SCAMMER!!!!!!!
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as to stolen PDA
Since user theseas me label as thief, I must render the meaning whole things. Unfortunately me heap more sad newsmaker at the same time plus hence I'm was capable user send his PDA earlier, send be him as far as this Saturday then 17. January. Geted near me namely to more things namely: partly I'm was capable his motherboard open on requisite level, further I'm like driver truck unfortunately quote on few weeks away from home plus could be but over his PDA read email post, but without translator I'm was unable on e - mail answer plus in the end I'm yet had to move so I'm in the end yet finished without joining the internet. In evidence here arrange refer to search consignments, where's parcel written into under document number EM 3094 5524 5 CZ
plus here’s legacy right on the page
http://www.cpost.cz/jetspeed/portal...id=AAA=ZJqIgBXoHOVXq0odzA?tntId=EM309455245CZ
SHAKAL007 said:
as to stolen PDA
Since user theseas me label as thief, I must render the meaning whole things. Unfortunately me heap more sad newsmaker at the same time plus hence I'm was capable user send his PDA earlier, send be him as far as this Saturday then 17. January. Geted near me namely to more things namely: partly I'm was capable his motherboard open on requisite level, further I'm like driver truck unfortunately quote on few weeks away from home plus could be but over his PDA read email post, but without translator I'm was unable on e - mail answer plus in the end I'm yet had to move so I'm in the end yet finished without joining the internet. In evidence here arrange refer to search consignments, where's parcel written into under document number EM 3094 5524 5 CZ
plus here’s legacy right on the page
http://www.cpost.cz/jetspeed/portal...id=AAA=ZJqIgBXoHOVXq0odzA?tntId=EM309455245CZ
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Thank god! Man you finally spoke to me! You answered to my last email that I sent you yesterday and you finally posted here to protect yourself. The only problem is that at least me I dont understand what you want to say because obviously you have used an automated translator. If it is possible rewrite this post using simple english like mine or ask a friend of yours that speaks english to help you. If anybody understands please help me guys.
Well I have said in this forum that I didnt like accusing you but tell me what you would do man if you had sent your pda and your money to someone that doesnt respond to your emails for a whole month. It's quite simple what you would think of him. As I can understand from your automate translated english you say that you were not online. No man you were online here quite often (I am not fool and nobody here is) and as I have said everytime I knew that you were online here in xda-developers I was sending you emails and you were ignoring me. Even the time that I opened this thread you logged in and of course you saw everything but even then you didnt say anything. Everybody knows that you were online that time. If you really had problems why you didnt tell me? Why you didnt tell me when I was almost begging you for an answer to my emails. I was begging you because I didnt want to open this thread. I am not sure that I would get an answer from you or my device (I havent received it yet) if i hadnt opened this thread. Well I dont have to dispute with you about anything, I dont really care anymore. The only thing that matters for me is to receive my device. And I am waiting for facts because I am tired of words. Words are for free, dont cost anything.
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...plus hence I'm was capable user send his PDA earlier, send be him as far as this Saturday then 17. January...
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I suppose here you mean that you apologise because you were NOT able to send the pda back to me earlier. Because 17th of January is quite late, it has been almost 2 months.
@SHAKAL007: you might just have cleaned your name Hope all goes well and theseas get's back his phone, he really have been concerned. I retreat my words and accusations. Due to your business i hope you could be more answerable when you get questions and find sometime to explain deadlines you will hold. that would make the customer more peacefull
well i do not understand your english fully by what you wrote on this thread but i believe you used a form of language translator on the internet..
many days have passed now .
what was the overall outcome ?
was he a tea leaf or just a bad businessman
I'm glad that it finished
Information about Delivery:
* Item posted on 17.01.2009 at the Post Office 78401 - Litovel.
* Item being transported to Office of Exchange.
* Item dispatched by Post Office 22000 - Praha 120 on 19.01.2009 to country of destination (Greece).
* Item was accepted on 19.01.2009 at the Office of Exchange in destination country (Greece).
* Item on 20.01.2009 released by Customs to postal net in destination country.
* Item was on 22.01.2009 delivered by Post Office in the country of destination (Greece).
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Maybe he really got caught up in bad circumstances, but what was he doing on this forum if he didn't have the translator to send you the messages
Is the device OK? Is there 128mb?
Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
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Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.
You guys and your silly petitions. They wont and don't ha e to do anything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
DarrellRaines said:
You guys and your silly petitions. They wont and don't ha e to do anything.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
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What can I say, I'm idealistic.
IMO waste of time.
Moto thinks they're God. Also, odds are your gorilla glass will be cracked before this bootloader.
On the other hand, class-action lawsuit is more appealing. Somehow get a lawyer to argue the users right to UTILIZE the hardware, as moto isn't. Lawsuits are the only thing corporations understand.
I did sign it, but I got no hopes...
tical2k said:
IMO waste of time.
Moto thinks they're God. Also, odds are your gorilla glass will be cracked before this bootloader.
On the other hand, class-action lawsuit is more appealing. Somehow get a lawyer to argue the users right to UTILIZE the hardware, as moto isn't. Lawsuits are the only thing corporations understand.
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While litigation may be the way in the U.S. it is not the way in the land down under. We have Government appointed watchdogs that provide avenues for complaints and comments. If a complaint is sufficiently raised to an Ombudsman the company the complaint is about is charged a fee for every day the complaint is not resolved.
Unfortunately the Atrix is not commercially available in Australia and thus I cannot pursue this in a typical Australian way.
If suing the pants of Motorola is likely to work, then I encourage any U.S. Citizens to do so (but only after carefully considering the cause and affect).
I am simply encouraging everyone to focus their complaints rather than spreading it across so many channels and losing it's potency.
Also: in all honesty, it's not really wasting that much time, since I would normally be wasting this time flashing experimental Roms, which I can't do due to obvious readons.
Signed and linked to on Facebook. It's no more a waste of time than flashing a rom...
edit hehe. You beat me to the waste of time comment
Signed it just a second ago!
I'll sign but this has a much lower chance of succeeding than the AT&T service petition, and I'm not convinced we'll see many results from that one.
CC Lemon said:
I'll sign but this has a much lower chance of succeeding than the AT&T service petition, and I'm not convinced we'll see many results from that one.
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But there's no harm in trying is there?
I think that when compared with the DroidX and Droid2, this phone will be available around the world. Verizon is one of the only carriers that still uses CDMA and thus smaller consumer base for the Droid series Motorola phones.
Once the Global Atrix's are released we should see a lot more attention as well as the European Unions attitude towards anti-competitive behaviour might force an inquiry.
Once again, I'm a tad idealistic and am very keen for your support as well as your constructive feedback.
signed~! but i only put 1% of my hopes in this and the rest 99% in the developers to crack the bootloader themselves!!
I support your cause; I have signed.
irenic said:
signed~! but i only put 1% of my hopes in this and the rest 99% in the developers to crack the bootloader themselves!!
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Well put. I signed.
With the new SBF file available we could start seeing more development, but would still be great to hear something from Motorola.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989577
haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..
before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".
after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"
my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.
noblewolf said:
haha.. as if motorola cares. you already bought, its a done deal! they even promised 1080p recording on the specs sheet followed by "(in the future update)".. i seriously dont think there will be an update on this thing..
before you buy, they promise lots of things, "in the future update".
after you gave buy and after a while try asking for the update.. these f*cktards will just say... "what update?"
my hope leans more on supporting the developers who are working hard to crack this wonderful device.. rather than wasting time begging to motorola after you shelled out that sum.
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Completely agree, but in all honesty, I had the time to waste.
The Dev's really are the ones that will get the bootloader unlocked or bypassed before motorola even decides to do anything.
The Dev threads are starting to get really exciting.
Sent from my MB860
Just a reminder to anyone who wants to get an official statement from Motorola to go to http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
and tweet or facebook to as many as you can.
Continuing the Battle
So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.
My last response from them was:
Dear Irwin,
I do apologize but there is no definite timeframe yet for the announcement of the bootloader solution for our mobile phones. Updates for the Motorola ATRIX will be posted first at http://www.motorola.com/Support/CA-EN/Consumer-Support/Mobile-Phones/ATRIX. I'm so sorry for that inconvenience.
We hope that you find this information useful and look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
Neil
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So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.
I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.
I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.
ikenley said:
So we're up near the 200 signature mark now for the Petition. I've been in touch with Motorola about 6 times in the last 2 weeks, not giving up on this one though.
My last response from them was:
So it's not a flat out denial of an imminent bootloader solution, but we're no closer either.
I will now create similar posts in the other Motorola forums on XDA and see if we can get our Brothers & Sisters to join the party.
I know there are a lot of skeptics, but I will keep trying. I don't have the skill to help the Dev's crack the phone, but I do have the patience to make our voices heard.
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"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.
dLo GSR said:
"bootloader solution" can mean anything. it can even mean staying with their locked bootloader is their solution.
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Very concise point, but if you review this statement, then it's in context.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278
Which is all included in the Groubal.
Signed. Maybe someone should design a B&W 8.5x11 printout that can be posted at universities to drum up support... I'm in a CS program and I'm sure there are more than a couple who would take the 2 seconds necessary to sign- I just don't know any of them personally!
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
Awesome! Yes, please do! It worked for HSUPA, it is worth a shot.
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
Ririal said:
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Presenters:
Greg Wilson, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Greg is a Technology Evangelist at Motorola Mobility, helping developers to create the best possible Android applications. Prior to joining Motorola, Greg was at Palm (and its various incarnations) doing similar work for the Palm OS developer community. Greg has been programming since the early days of the microcomputer, and has written software for programmable calculators, IBM mainframes, and an assortment of microprocessor architectures and microcomputer operating systems.
Peter van der Linden, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Peter is the Android Technology Evangelist within the Developer Tools and Technical Services team at Motorola. He is not afraid of bugs, and has a collection of several prize bugs (software only).
They work for Motorola.
youareme7 said:
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
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Make sure to point out the number of people that want this.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
I'm not going to be able to watch and partcipate for this. I would like if someone could record this conference.
Thanks.
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...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Because AT&T is behind 99pct of the problems with the Atrix:
- No Side Loading - AT&T
- Reduced Speeds - AT&T
- No Root Access - AT&T
Motorola made it pretty clear pre-release they wanted to open up the bootloader, AT&T obviously shut that down.
maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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I doubt it. I asked in their MotoDev forum.
http://community.developer.motorola...trix-App-summit-on-March-29th-2011/td-p/12350
I'm not sure if it would actually do us any good, but I mean i guess it would be worth a try. Who is all gunna be the conference tomorrow??
I think (When it comes to their "bootloader solution") what they meant to say was "We do what we think is right when it comes to working with devs and customers, and will continue to do so in the future". And, what everyone took that to mean was "THEY ARE GONNA UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER FOR US". I'm not saying I agree AT ALL, I just sometimes try to look at it from both sides.
I definitely want this thing unlocked, but I'm not counting on Moto to do too much about it. Not to say opinions shouldn't be voiced!
No one should be blaming ATT for the locked bootloader. Motorola's Droids (except for OG Droid) all have been locked down and they are on Verizon's network. Feel free to blame ATT for upload speeds, fake 4G, no sideloading, global warming, etc...
The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
I second Ririal. Those two that are going to be presenting tomorrow are evangelists, and are going to be pretty in the dark about the situation.
I think the chat will be very interesting. Devs being there should be good for a prediction on where Moto plans to take the Atrix... wonder if we can ask questions in a round about way to see if they slip on how they unlock the bootloader to develop on the phone... lol yea I know wishful thinking this isn't a cartoon or movie lol but one can dream... I'll try and make the chat and see if I can record it for you guys
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I have school at that time but can someone do me a favour and bug them about his.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980047
Its common with half the people that unlocked the Atrix.
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Absolutely. I saw your petition and have signed it. I'd love to see them, at the very least, give us an answer. We may not like it, but at least we'd have one instead of empty promises right now. No need to get upset about it, though
electronaut said:
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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THIS THIS
Being able to create/load webtop apps would be an awesome feature that would turn the webtop from an interesting sideshow to a must-have.
I am hesitant to spend anything on the lapdock because I don't think it would be much more useful than the phone itself. If I could throw OpenOffice down on there or something using apt-get then I would totally buy it.
I understand that Moto might want to control the user experience, as nobody is going to be doing any high-powered computation or gaming on it, but third-party apps would be really neat.
Hey guys I have a promo code for moto x. I will give it to first senior member or above who replies here.
GOGOGO
Offer it to any member please. Every member deserves the ability to save $150, especially considering that code disintegrates at midnight.
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Ok. I just hope that person won't be one-post-member.
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I have an unused one. PM me if you want it,
I have a similar post up and it's had 83 views and not one person sent me a PM. I'm not even asking them to do anything crazy or taxing. A simple PM will result in a code and these lazy people aren't even going to do that. I don't want just anyone to grab the code and use it. I want a developer to grab it and use it to create new content for this awesome device. Is that too much to ask for? More so, I don't want some clown to take the code and then try to sell it on Ebay or CL.
I'm just trying to keep things honest and beneficial to the XDA community. Understand though, I already have a Moto X and I won't use this code. If it disintegrates at midnight I couldn't care less. I'm just wanting to help push this Moto X community forward. You can think whatever you want but I'm not concerned.
I got this for my wife who changed her mind at the last minute this morning and I'm trying to be nice and give it away. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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I have a similar post up and it's had 83 views and not one person sent me a PM. I'm not even asking them to do anything crazy or taxing. A simple PM will result in a code and these lazy people aren't even going to do that. I don't want just anyone to grab the code and use it. I want a developer to grab it and use it to create new content for this awesome device. Is that too much to ask for? More so, I don't want some clown to take the code and then try to sell it on Ebay or CL.
I'm just trying to keep things honest and beneficial to the XDA community. Understand though, I already have a Moto X and I won't use this code. If it disintegrates at midnight I couldn't care less. I'm just wanting to help push this Moto X community forward. You can think whatever you want but I'm not concerned.
I got this for my wife who changed her mind at the last minute this morning and I'm trying to be nice and give it away. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Not everyone is a dev on XDA, my friend as though that we be wonderful if it were true, it isnt. Likelihood is, any dev who wanted one KNEW they wanted one, and thus have already acquired a code and arent looking for one with 8 hours left till the deadline. please. Dont let the code disintegrate. Let some poor soul who is still unfortunately looking, get it. No one is going to attempt to buy/sell these codes with such a tiny time frame left. Would you?
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Not everyone is a dev on XDA, my friend as though that we be wonderful if it were true, it isnt. Likelihood is, any dev who wanted one KNEW they wanted one, and thus have already acquired a code and arent looking for one with 8 hours left till the deadline. please. Dont let the code disintegrate. Let some poor soul who is still unfortunately looking, get it. No one is going to attempt to buy/sell these codes with such a tiny time frame left. Would you?
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Dude, I get what you're saying and I definitely don't think that everyone on XDA is a developer. That's not the point that I was making at all. I want to give the code away and all I was asking was for someone to PM me for it. I know that there are people who want to develop for the Moto X and would consider buying one at this discounted price to be able to do that. Obviously I'm not planning on selling it or I would've instantly have done that. It drives me crazy that people are even doing that in the first place.
Two Promo Codes Expiring midnight (EST) tonight
I have two Moto-X $150 Promo Codes, which I am ready to share whoever sends me the PM first. One Code per Member. I would request to please ask for the Code, only if you are 100% sure you are going to buy the Moto-X today.
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I have 1 too just in case
I'm blown away that we have codes available for people to use and no one is contacting us to snag one. SMH. Just a couple of days ago people were foaming at the mouth to get a promo code.
kolyan said:
I have 1 too just in case
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Gave my code to "royopata"
Aww man. I just saw this. I registered here just to comment that I wanted one (and I don't have any plans of selling it, mind you. I don't have a Moto X). Oh well. Now that I have an account here (instead of being a "guest" when viewing posts), might as well join in on this.